00:00What's up?
00:01What's up?
00:03I just want to be able to talk to you without you two bickering at each other.
00:07Okay.
00:07Okay?
00:08Okay.
00:08So, go ahead, like, you can sit or whatever.
00:12Okay.
00:13So, what's your name?
00:14Taylor.
00:15Taylor.
00:16I'm Officer Rubebrecht with the Harriman Police Department.
00:18Okay.
00:19The neighbors called in saying they heard a bunch of yelling and screaming.
00:23I'm sorry.
00:26Let me start again.
00:32So, let's start, let's start with this.
00:34How do you spell your first name?
00:36Taylor.
00:37Taylor.
00:39Taylor.
00:41Taylor.
00:42Just go ahead and just focus on breathing for me.
00:51Okay.
00:52Go ahead.
00:52So, T-A-Y-L-O-Y, right?
00:54Yeah.
00:55What's your last name?
00:55I'm a Paul-A-P-A-U-L.
00:59I don't know.
01:01I don't know.
01:02I don't know.
01:03I don't know.
01:05I don't know.
01:07Do you need paramedics for anything?
01:09No, I'm good.
01:10I'm good.
01:11I'm good.
01:12I don't know.
01:13Wait.
01:14Have you had a little bit too much to drink tonight?
01:16I can smell the alcohol pretty strongly.
01:19Sure, but not anything crazy.
01:20I went out on a girls night and I came home.
01:22Safe driving.
01:24Okay.
01:24I'm not worried about that.
01:25I'm just worried about like, do I need to call paramedics to come check you out?
01:29No.
01:29I think I'm good.
01:30Okay.
01:33Um, your last name P-A-U-L?
01:35Yeah, I'm always like hurting, I guess.
01:39You're what?
01:40I'm emotionally hurting.
01:41I'm not physically hurting.
01:43I'm emotionally hurting.
01:44Okay.
01:45So your last name is just Paul?
01:46Yup.
01:47Okay.
01:47What's your birthday?
01:58I can call the dad and come get the kids.
02:01Do you want that?
02:02If I can just go and do whatever and I can't f*** anymore.
02:10What's your phone number?
02:36Maybe people have a fight.
02:41What did I do wrong so I can help myself?
02:45What did I do wrong so I can do better?
02:49You can't get mad.
02:49Well, it's- it's not- it's not- Taylor, look at me.
02:52It's not- it's not that you know my first name is a horse.
02:53did anything wrong per se we are just the neighbors called in thinking that
02:59someone's getting hurt no one's getting hurt I'm just emotionally hurt because I'm good don't worry
03:03is that what so is that what's going on tonight that started everything yeah I'm
03:30I'm sorry can I get a drink of water I know it's really hurting I can get my husband to
03:40come get
03:40the kids if that's easier I don't really want from me I don't want anyone that wants from me
03:45I'm just so hurt so tell me tell me what happened to me he pushed me in the garage and
03:51I don't give a
03:52I just want I just want to move on I don't give a I just want to move on I
04:00don't care I don't care
04:02I pushed him I hit him he pushed me I don't want to say about it
04:10can I get a drink please please can you promise not to talk to him while we go in there
04:17sure I
04:17just don't want anything escalating to an argument or fight while we go in there okay okay let's go
04:42so I just I just need you to tell me what happened tonight so you want you went out on
04:46a girl's night
04:47you said that right yeah he picked me up from girls night and then what happened and he was
04:50bitching me out the way home about so when you describe that to me about what I guess having fun
04:57on the girls and and he was going to a concert but he was like we're not going to a
05:03concert now
05:04he came home and and then we were fighting and uh we were fighting each other and then he like
05:16I was going at him I guess hitting him and then he pushed me into the kid's stuff and then
05:23I went
05:23ballistic because I pushed me so hard and then I flew back and then we were just fighting and I
05:30just
05:30want him out that's where a lot of that that's where I was trying to explain this like so she's
05:37going through a lot right now um yeah with her divorce and stuff like I think that's just been
05:42really hard on her and she hasn't done any therapy and that's a that's a different relationship yeah
05:47okay yeah and so and that wasn't that long ago so it's very fresh so so we got in a
05:52relationship
05:52like really pretty soon after her divorce and so that's why it's been hard it's just been like a lot
05:57I think for her okay um and yeah I mean I mean yeah I think she's just she's going through
06:04a lot
06:04she's the type to where uh yeah it's hard for her I think to get help you know like um
06:10she fights it
06:12so you guys come home she starts getting angry because you're saying that you're wanting to go home
06:21yeah well I was trying to just take her inside I was trying to help her in I was like
06:24like let's go
06:25like you need to go inside and she I think she was saying something that she wanted to go party
06:30still I'm like no like you can't um yeah and then I went inside because I was finding just like
06:37she
06:37was not coming out so I was like okay well I'm and she said her parents weren't here so I
06:41was like
06:41oh perfect I was like I'm gonna go are they actually no they weren't it was uh like I don't
06:45know
06:45like her niece or something like that I don't know and so I went in there and was like gonna
06:51get
06:52them I'm like hey Taylor's like drunk you like come get her or something are they coming over
06:56no they were they already left they were house sitting for her watching her kids okay and then
07:01she kept flying in and that's when she was like freaking out on me in front of them and I'm
07:06like
07:06whoa what what was she saying crazy stuff I don't know I think she was like I don't even know
07:12what
07:13she was saying um I don't know something about her phone she was going off about her phone and
07:19then she chucked her phone at me and then oh no she threw it on the ground boom and then
07:24uh
07:27damn everything happened so fast so as far as as far as what
07:34happened to you um you said that you're kind of like hurt on your elbow yeah what was that from
07:43uh that was from she threw that thing at me there and that was the thing that hit my truck
07:49as well
07:49what's that usually parked in here is it parked do you know where her car is yeah it's at the
08:08house
08:12he says it's in lehigh like wherever she was at before coming home
08:21I saw a set of keys on the counter but um yeah if you would just wait outside of your
08:28truck
08:33so I talked to um I talked to Dakota tell me
08:42tell me what happened with the um the little
08:47wooden thing in the garage in his truck like what happened outside at the truck
08:52um all I know is that I was so scared that I peed my pants
08:57um he pushed me into it I I reacted sure I threw it at him
09:03okay what about the like all the metal chairs here and like the
09:08I threw about it I threw them on him yeah I was scared
09:10why I was scared about what him like what were you like I'm just trying to get
09:20he's fighting back I peed my pants because I was so scared of him in my garage he
09:25pushed me into the wooden thing so I reacted I threw the wooden thing at him and when he
09:30came in I threw everything else at him I was scared okay how did how did everything start
09:36um we were in the car and we were bickering he was mad that I went to a girls night
09:41he picked
09:41me up from the girls night he was we were fighting from the girls night to my house
09:47okay and then what happened when you guys pulled up um we were still fighting and then I got out
09:52and
09:53he threw me into the wooden thing which is why I reacted to that and I went ballistic when he
09:58pushed me into the wooden thing and I was like I guess fighting back with him
10:03okay I didn't actually realize I I didn't realize I peed myself
10:09do you know who this is my mom your mom yeah okay
10:20okay I guess I was reacting yeah that was my bad so I was scared
10:35is that not the right story I guess is what he said well the the hard part is that like
10:43I'm
10:43getting two different different stories okay as far as tonight's concerned based on um
10:51what I've seen and and what's taken place um at this time you're going to be placed under arrest
10:59for DB for domestic violence okay so before I talk to you more about it and you turn around
11:06place your hands behind your back so is he not at all not tonight no
11:12I'm confused so he pushed me and I'm under arrest why I can talk to you more about it
11:45um it's based on the evidence that I'm seeing
11:49like here tonight what's your evidence just here just all the stuff on the ground and you throwing
11:56things at him and all that are we allowed to ask him or are we not allowed because what do
12:08you mean by
12:08asking because when he sees this he's not going to agree to it
12:27I'm here am I'm in 44 82
12:28Um let's walk to my car
12:34I'm glad to ask questions or not?
12:36Yes, you can.
12:37Okay, so can we ask him?
12:40Um, yeah, I did, I mean, I did talk to him and I told him how tonight was going to
12:45go.
12:47And, I mean, he understood, he was very, like, upset about it, but...
12:55What is he upset about?
12:56So, I'm curious how I piss my pants tonight and I'm getting under arrest, so can you help me with
13:01that?
13:03Um, any part of that could be, there's a lot of factors about that.
13:09What is it?
13:10But the main, the main thing...
13:11Can I say my mom and dad?
13:14Um...
13:14And him, please?
13:15If they want, I just don't want to traumatize your kids.
13:17Okay, my kids are sweet, so can we talk to them?
13:20No, your daughter's in the living room.
13:22Can I talk to Dakota, then?
13:24That's probably not a good idea, because I don't want you guys to argue.
13:28Sure.
13:29Can I ask him to do it?
13:30I'm confused how I'm being arrested, though.
13:33Is that him and his shark right here?
13:35This is his shark.
13:35Yeah, we're not talking to him.
13:36Okay.
13:38Can I please just talk to him at all?
13:41No, because what's going to happen is you're not going to be allowed to talk to him at all until
13:48a court or a judge looks at the case.
13:50Okay, but can we talk about it at all with him?
13:53He's the one who pushed me.
13:57I don't want to show how this is even illegal.
13:59Okay, go this way.
14:01Even if he wants to, I can't talk to him?
14:04Correct.
14:05Okay.
14:05Because there's going to be a, it's called a jail release agreement.
14:09Okay.
14:09And you're not going to be allowed to talk to him until after a judge looks at the case.
14:14Okay.
14:15Hold on.
14:20So because I pushed him first, I'm going to jail.
14:28That's one factor in the whole case.
14:30And he wants me to go to jail?
14:33No, he doesn't want to, but Utah requires me to make an arrest when I can sense that, or when
14:40I can tell that violence is taking place.
14:43Because I pushed him and he pushed me?
14:45That's part of it.
14:46Okay.
14:49Yeah, I mean, I guess that's the only thing.
14:51Like, if she's wanting to, like, push stuff, then, like, I'm going to have to, but, like, I truly just
14:56want her to, like, just get help and just, that's that.
14:59And that, that's, I understand that, and that's what I'm hoping this results in.
15:03I'm not, I'm not trying to jam anyone up or take him to jail to take him to jail.
15:07Like, I want the problem solved.
15:09Does someone get charged, then, or something?
15:12She is going to be charged with domestic violence.
15:15Oh, my gosh.
15:16And, but that's, I know that's hard to hear, but that's the reality of the situation, and I'm glad that
15:23it wasn't worse.
15:24Yeah.
15:25Because, like, what if she grabbed, like, she was throwing stuff at you.
15:29Oh, yeah.
15:29And damaging your property.
15:30Kitchen knife or something.
15:31Yeah.
15:32Like, what if, yeah, what if the off chance that she grabbed a kitchen knife, like, it's already clear that
15:36she wasn't thinking straight, right?
15:38Yeah.
15:38Normally, normally in your relationship, it's lovey-dovey, hoggy-dory, right?
15:43But, in this specific case that can't be ignored, what if she was to grab the knife or something else
15:51and it escalates again?
15:53Yeah.
15:53So, the main thing is a reality check saying, like, hey, that's not okay, and ignoring it's not going to
15:59help the problem either.
16:00Yeah.
16:00Like, you guys waking up tomorrow morning and acting like it never happened or having one little conversation and maybe,
16:07like, a smack on the wrist, that doesn't typically help.
16:11Dude, you're right.
16:13And that's kind of just how it's been, too, with her.
16:15I mean, that's what she does, and then she'll, like, usually, like, in the morning, she'll act like, what if
16:20she's selling?
16:21So, again, I can't make you do that, but if you're willing, just make sure that you read the admonition
16:29statement on top.
16:30It basically just says, don't lie.
16:32Yeah.
16:32Fill out your information and then your account on the front and back, however much space you need, and then
16:38just make sure to sign it on the back when you're done.
16:40Do I do that right now?
16:42Yeah.
16:43You can do it right now.
16:44And then, um, as far as, like...
16:48I'm just so confused, I guess, though.
16:50Like, did she fill one of these out?
16:52No, but, I mean, she's, she has a, um, like, she gave me her statement.
16:59Yeah.
17:00And she's also going to tell the court her statement, her side of the story.
17:05Yeah.
17:06Because, from what she's saying, it's like, um, like, you were here, and you pushed her, and you were not
17:19leaving.
17:20Oh my gosh, that little sucker here.
17:23And so I'm like, but that's also drunk her talking.
17:25Yeah, I know, that's what I'm saying.
17:27It's like, when she's sober, she'll be like, what did I do?
17:31I'm like, holy sh**, bro.
17:33So, anyway, I'll leave you here with this, um, and then we can kind of talk about it more in
17:40a bit.
17:49It's just your statement.
17:50Like, can I just go to court, don't I have to go to court regardless now?
17:53Yeah.
17:54So, can I just tell them once I get there?
17:56You can, and it's just, like, this is a way of documenting it tonight, fresh, how you remember it.
18:02I just suck at writing.
18:04Like, I can't, I just know I'm going to butcher the sh** out of that.
18:07It's up to you, man.
18:08I wish, I wish you had, like, a little mic or something.
18:10I mean, we have body cams.
18:11And they've been running.
18:12Oh, good.
18:13But, like, this is just another, this is just another form of documentation for things.
18:21So, if, like, if you're like, I don't want to fill this out, then it just gets put in the
18:26report.
18:27Like, hey, he doesn't want to fill out the written statement.
18:29I just don't, I just don't want anything to happen.
18:30But your statements that you've given to me will be documented.
18:33I know.
18:35And that's, code for thinking.
18:38That's part of the challenge with these domestic crimes.
18:41Yeah, like, I honestly, I don't think I can do that.
18:44Like, I just, I can't.
18:46I know it's hard.
18:47I can't, I literally can't do that.
18:49Okay.
18:50So.
18:50I don't, I don't, yeah, I don't think I can do that.
18:52Would you, do you have a packet?
18:55Like, the lethality, all that stuff?
18:58Yeah.
18:58Like, all that stuff.
18:58It's good.
18:58Yeah, good.
18:58Wow, as I can see.
18:58You
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