Romans 11:11-14 - Paul's mission and desire - video Dailymotion

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Jesus gave Paul a mission to preach the Gospel to the nations, but what he really wanted was to save his fellow Jews. When they didn't receive his message, he finally embraced his commission to the Gentiles, but still hoped that the Jews would be saved through the salvation of the Gentiles. Some people misunderstand his words to be anti-Jewish, when his love for the Jews was at the heart of everything he did.  From Jay Carper at Common Sense Bible Study (https://CommonSenseBibleStudy.com) and American Torah (https://www.AmericanTorah.com).  This content is free, but I accept contributions via Paypal at https://jaycarper.com/paypal.  Follow me on X: https://jaycarper.com/twitter Follow me on Facebook: https://jaycarper.com/fbat Follow me on Whole Bible Community: https://jaycarper.com/ttn

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00:00:01Welcome back to A Journey Through the Book of Romans.

00:00:06We're just into Chapter 11 in 45 hours talking about a little bit more than 10 chapters of text.

00:00:13And I don't know about you guys, but I have learned quite a bit along the way.

00:00:17And sometimes I think I'm learning more than everybody else here.

00:00:22I'm not saying that y'all aren't learning. I hope you are.

00:00:24It is, you know, really trying to get into the details and understand this text before I try to talk

00:00:30about it.

00:00:31And then I start talking with you guys and learn that I still don't really understand it all that well.

00:00:36And I get to learn some new stuff from y'all.

00:00:40So I'm definitely doing some learning here.

00:00:43Last week we talked about, we finished up at Romans 10, Chapter 11, Verse 10.

00:00:49So that's where I'm going to start reading.

00:00:51Actually, I'm going to start reading in Verse 9 because 10 doesn't really make a lot of sense by itself.

00:00:56And David says,

00:01:15Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles,

00:01:22how much more will their full inclusion mean?

00:01:26Now I am speaking to you Gentiles.

00:01:28Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles,

00:01:31I magnify my ministry in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous,

00:01:35and thus save some of them.

00:01:38For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world,

00:01:41what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead?

00:01:44If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump.

00:01:48And if the root is holy, so are the branches.

00:01:51But if some of the branches were broken off,

00:01:53and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others,

00:01:57and now share in the nourishing root to the olive tree,

00:02:00do not be arrogant toward the branches.

00:02:03If you are, remember it is not you who support the root,

00:02:06but the root who supports you.

00:02:08Then you will say,

00:02:10Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.

00:02:12Well, that is true.

00:02:13They were broken off because of their unbelief,

00:02:15but you stand fast through faith.

00:02:17So do not become proud, but fear.

00:02:19For if God did not spare the natural branches,

00:02:22neither will he spare you.

00:02:24Note then the kindness and the severity of God,

00:02:27severity towards those who have fallen,

00:02:29but God's kindness to you,

00:02:31provided you continue in his kindness.

00:02:33Otherwise, you too will be cut off.

00:02:35And even they,

00:02:36if they do not continue in their unbelief,

00:02:38will be grafted in.

00:02:40For God has the power to graft them in again.

00:02:42For if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree

00:02:47and grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree,

00:02:50how much more will these,

00:02:52the natural branches,

00:02:53be grafted back into their own olive tree?

00:02:56All right.

00:02:56I think that's about as far as we're likely to get tonight.

00:02:59So going back to Romans 11, 9, and 10,

00:03:03last week we were talking about Israel

00:03:05and how their obedience to Torah

00:03:10and their expectations about Messiah

00:03:14compared to who he really was

00:03:16had become a stumbling block to them.

00:03:18God had promised to exile them if they didn't obey,

00:03:22but he also promised that he would restore them.

00:03:25So this cutting off and grafting in,

00:03:29I mean, that was all part of the original plan to begin with.

00:03:31This wasn't something that surprised God.

00:03:33So Paul had quoted from Isaiah and David

00:03:36to talk about this idea that

00:03:39even the truth can become a stumbling block

00:03:42if you are prideful in it or if you're misusing it.

00:03:46And that's where we left off.

00:03:48So let's move on to verse 11 and 12, I think.

00:03:54Just 11 to start with.

00:03:56So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall?

00:03:59By no means.

00:04:00Rather, their trespass, through their trespass,

00:04:03salvation has come to the Gentiles

00:04:04who has to make Israel jealous.

00:04:07So did they stumble in order that they might fall?

00:04:11Paul's hypothetical question is,

00:04:14did God cause the Israelites to

00:04:18misunderstand the Messiah

00:04:19or become temporarily blinded

00:04:22through their prophets or their teachers

00:04:24because he wanted Israel to fail?

00:04:27Because he wanted to kick them out.

00:04:29He was done with them.

00:04:30Hmm, that's all done.

00:04:31So let me make, like the Canaanites,

00:04:33let's make sure that their sin is complete

00:04:35so that I can have an end with them.

00:04:39That's certainly what a lot of people teach.

00:04:41But clearly Paul is saying no, by no means.

00:04:45And let me look up the Greek on that one

00:04:49because I'm pretty sure it uses a specific phrase.

00:04:52The King James translates it as God forbid.

00:04:55It doesn't really have the word God in there.

00:04:58They're just translating it kind of loose.

00:04:59The King James is usually pretty literal,

00:05:01but in that case they're not.

00:05:03It literally means let it not be.

00:05:06But essentially means the same thing

00:05:07as if we said God forbid

00:05:10or no way or something like that in English.

00:05:12I mean, that really is what it means.

00:05:15But he's saying that their sins

00:05:19and God blinding them temporarily

00:05:21wasn't because he was done with Israel

00:05:23and wanted to destroy them.

00:05:24It was because he had a greater plan

00:05:26and their falling away

00:05:30furthered God's plan.

00:05:31And his plan was to bring salvation

00:05:34to the Gentiles, to all the nations.

00:05:37And the purpose of that was in turn

00:05:40to provoke Israel into jealousy

00:05:43of what God was doing with the nations

00:05:45so that they would repent and come back.

00:05:48Because God's purpose in exiling Israel,

00:05:51in punishing Israel,

00:05:53is never because he hates them

00:05:55or because he's done with them

00:05:56and wants to destroy them.

00:05:58His purpose in punishing Israel

00:06:00is always to drive them back to repentance.

00:06:03And sometimes he uses

00:06:05hardship, invasion, disease, exile.

00:06:10And in this case, Paul is saying

00:06:12that he's using their rejection

00:06:15of the gospel

00:06:16in order to bring it to the Gentiles

00:06:19so that then Israel would see

00:06:21their kingdom growing among the Gentiles

00:06:24and want to be part of it again.

00:06:26A good analogy would be

00:06:28if you're a parent and you have two children

00:06:30or more than one, I should say,

00:06:33and you discipline that one child.

00:06:36Your discipline is not only to that one child

00:06:39for their edification,

00:06:40but it's for the others

00:06:41so that they learn as well.

00:06:42Listen, if you do this,

00:06:43then this is what will happen.

00:06:45Yeah.

00:06:46Making an example of somebody.

00:06:48Yep.

00:06:50Yeah, and frequently

00:06:52in the real world,

00:06:54a leader will pick

00:06:56somebody who everybody thinks

00:06:58is the goody two-shoes

00:06:59or the best

00:07:01and punish that person

00:07:03more severely than everybody else

00:07:04so everybody will see,

00:07:05man, if he's going to punish

00:07:06that kid that way,

00:07:08then I better watch out.

00:07:10And that is certainly the case

00:07:11with Israel.

00:07:12Israel is God's chosen people.

00:07:14And if he's going to cut them off,

00:07:17then we had better watch ourselves

00:07:20because he is their chosen people first.

00:07:23And Paul actually says

00:07:24that very thing later in this chapter.

00:07:27Any other thoughts on this verse?

00:07:29I mean, I've got a few others,

00:07:30but I want to hear

00:07:30what you guys have to think

00:07:32if you've got something to share.

00:07:35It kind of reminds me of

00:07:36like the same thing he did to

00:07:40there's this hardening of the heart,

00:07:43I guess, you know, at some point,

00:07:45just like he did with, you know,

00:07:47to come to a point where he's like,

00:07:49well, I just got to give you

00:07:50to your own devices.

00:07:52You have to do whatever it is

00:07:54that, you know, we will.

00:07:56So, you know, at some point,

00:07:59the father's like,

00:08:00just like an earthly father, I think.

00:08:05You're good with your kids

00:08:06when they're in,

00:08:08especially when they're

00:08:09five or seven or eight.

00:08:11And, you know,

00:08:13as they become teenagers,

00:08:15you kind of give them

00:08:17a little bit more opportunity

00:08:18to fail.

00:08:20That's important.

00:08:21And, you know,

00:08:22once you hit your 20s,

00:08:25then it's like,

00:08:27you know,

00:08:28I've given you,

00:08:30I've pointed you

00:08:31in the right direction.

00:08:31I've given you good,

00:08:33good,

00:08:35good instructions.

00:08:37And, you know,

00:08:38if you don't want to follow it anymore,

00:08:40then it's kind of on you.

00:08:43But when you're,

00:08:45so that part of it,

00:08:46but also, you know,

00:08:47they do it in the military as well.

00:08:48You know, whenever you,

00:08:50one person fails,

00:08:51but everybody has to kind of pay for it

00:08:53kind of thing.

00:08:54And you're,

00:08:55if your heart's in the right place,

00:08:57you're like, man,

00:08:59I can't be messing up

00:09:01because I'm,

00:09:02I don't want everybody else to suffer

00:09:04because of what I've done.

00:09:06So,

00:09:07me,

00:09:08it's kind of the same thing where,

00:09:09you know,

00:09:11in this scenario

00:09:13where

00:09:15he

00:09:16let Israel

00:09:17do their own thing.

00:09:19But it was prophesied too,

00:09:21right?

00:09:21Like the Gentile

00:09:22were going to,

00:09:23and I'm sure you're going to cover that,

00:09:25but, you know,

00:09:25the Gentiles

00:09:26would eventually

00:09:28are just going to make

00:09:29Israel jealous

00:09:30and bring them back

00:09:33to the truth.

00:09:34And we are seeing

00:09:35that happening

00:09:36life right now.

00:09:38Well,

00:09:39that,

00:09:39the term jealousy

00:09:41is fascinating here

00:09:42because

00:09:42to me,

00:09:44it does not

00:09:45put God in the box.

00:09:47He is trying

00:09:48every which way

00:09:50he can

00:09:51to reach people.

00:09:54And

00:09:55there's discipline,

00:09:56there's love,

00:09:58there's jealousy,

00:09:59there,

00:09:59you know,

00:10:00and the jealousy

00:10:01is to basically

00:10:02make you want

00:10:03to

00:10:04want to follow.

00:10:06So,

00:10:07it actually speaks

00:10:08quite,

00:10:08this whole verse

00:10:10speaks quite

00:10:11incredibly about

00:10:13about God,

00:10:14I think.

00:10:15Yeah,

00:10:16I think

00:10:16what Paul said

00:10:17to the Corinthians

00:10:18I think is really relevant,

00:10:20especially to what

00:10:21you and Carlos

00:10:22were saying

00:10:24in

00:10:241 Corinthians 5,

00:10:265,

00:10:27find that again,

00:10:29says,

00:10:31going back

00:10:31to verse 4,

00:10:33when you are

00:10:33assembled

00:10:34in the name

00:10:34of our Lord Jesus

00:10:35and I am with you

00:10:36in spirit

00:10:36along with the power

00:10:37of the Lord Jesus,

00:10:38hand this man

00:10:39over to Satan

00:10:40for the destruction

00:10:41of the flesh

00:10:41so that his spirit

00:10:42may be saved

00:10:43on the day

00:10:43of the Lord.

00:10:45Yeah,

00:10:45probably should have

00:10:46gone back to verse 1,

00:10:47but anyways,

00:10:47he's talking about

00:10:48someone who's

00:10:48unrepentant,

00:10:50you know,

00:10:50an unrepentant sinner.

00:10:52He's sinning openly,

00:10:54isn't sorry about it,

00:10:55and Paul is saying,

00:10:57well,

00:10:58kick him out,

00:10:58hand him over to Satan,

00:11:00you know,

00:11:00let him suffer

00:11:01the consequences

00:11:01of whatever he's doing

00:11:03and hopefully

00:11:03those consequences

00:11:04will eventually

00:11:05drive him back

00:11:06to repentance

00:11:07because there's only

00:11:08so much you can do.

00:11:09You can't teach somebody

00:11:10a conscience.

00:11:12Go ahead,

00:11:13June.

00:11:13Okay.

00:11:14Yes.

00:11:16Israel,

00:11:17they were warned.

00:11:19They were told

00:11:21not to follow

00:11:23after

00:11:24the customs

00:11:26of the people

00:11:28that

00:11:30they will be

00:11:32amongst.

00:11:34Mm-hmm.

00:11:35Canaanites

00:11:36and all the ites

00:11:37you could think about.

00:11:39And

00:11:40for some reason

00:11:41or the other,

00:11:42they forgot

00:11:44about these warnings.

00:11:46Let's say

00:11:48with Balaam

00:11:49and

00:11:51his

00:11:52what's his name

00:11:54that called Balaam

00:11:56to curse them?

00:11:57Balak.

00:11:58Balak.

00:11:59And

00:11:59what Balaam

00:12:01told

00:12:02because after

00:12:03he couldn't

00:12:04curse them,

00:12:06he said,

00:12:06okay,

00:12:08we could get them

00:12:09to

00:12:10air

00:12:11by

00:12:12let them

00:12:13follow

00:12:13the women,

00:12:15right,

00:12:16and their

00:12:17customs

00:12:18and

00:12:19they're going

00:12:20to fall

00:12:20that way.

00:12:22And

00:12:22Israel

00:12:23just

00:12:23yielded

00:12:24to all

00:12:25of that

00:12:25and

00:12:26they forgot

00:12:27the warnings

00:12:28that they had

00:12:29from

00:12:30Yahweh.

00:12:34probably

00:12:35was not

00:12:36intentional.

00:12:38They didn't

00:12:39want to

00:12:39fall,

00:12:41but they

00:12:41fall into

00:12:42customs,

00:12:43the customs

00:12:44of the people

00:12:45of the land

00:12:46and

00:12:47Yahweh

00:12:49was

00:12:50against

00:12:51them,

00:12:52against

00:12:52what they

00:12:53were doing.

00:12:54The first

00:12:54thing they did

00:12:55was the

00:12:56golden calf.

00:12:57they had

00:12:58Egyptian

00:12:59customs

00:12:59and they

00:13:00wanted a

00:13:01God that

00:13:01they can

00:13:02see and

00:13:02they can

00:13:02feel.

00:13:04And they

00:13:04just keep

00:13:06erring and

00:13:07erring.

00:13:08And,

00:13:08you know,

00:13:09Yahweh

00:13:10said,

00:13:10okay,

00:13:11all these

00:13:12errors that

00:13:12you're making,

00:13:13you're giving

00:13:14way for the

00:13:14Gentiles to

00:13:15come in

00:13:16because there

00:13:17are people

00:13:18that don't

00:13:20know me,

00:13:20but

00:13:22eventually

00:13:23they will

00:13:23come to

00:13:24know me

00:13:24by obeying

00:13:26whilst you

00:13:28guys are

00:13:28displaying the

00:13:29rules and

00:13:30the precepts

00:13:32and everything

00:13:33that they're

00:13:34supposed to

00:13:34follow after.

00:13:36So,

00:13:38as Paul

00:13:39said,

00:13:40it was

00:13:41not,

00:13:42they didn't

00:13:43do it

00:13:44to that

00:13:46day,

00:13:47how must

00:13:48I say,

00:13:50they stumble

00:13:51in order

00:13:52that they

00:13:52might fall.

00:13:53he said,

00:13:54by no

00:13:54means,

00:13:55they didn't

00:13:55want to

00:13:55fall,

00:13:57but if

00:13:57they

00:13:58actually

00:13:59follow the

00:14:00customs of

00:14:01the people,

00:14:02like many

00:14:02of us,

00:14:04fashion,

00:14:05you know,

00:14:07and following

00:14:08all these

00:14:09fashions,

00:14:09we fail,

00:14:11forgetting

00:14:12the orders

00:14:13that we are

00:14:13given.

00:14:14I mean,

00:14:15that's how I

00:14:16look at it.

00:14:17So,

00:14:18salvation

00:14:18came to

00:14:19the Gentiles

00:14:20because they

00:14:21were disobedient.

00:14:22they always

00:14:24say,

00:14:24okay,

00:14:25I'm going

00:14:25to bring

00:14:26in these

00:14:26Gentiles to

00:14:27make you

00:14:28jealous.

00:14:29When you

00:14:29realize these

00:14:30Gentiles are

00:14:32following my

00:14:33custom,

00:14:34you're going

00:14:34to get

00:14:34jealous because

00:14:35when you

00:14:36see I'm

00:14:37blessing them

00:14:38and they're

00:14:39following the

00:14:40orders and

00:14:40the precepts

00:14:41and everything,

00:14:43you will

00:14:43want to

00:14:44come,

00:14:44right?

00:14:45Yeah,

00:14:46we would

00:14:47hope.

00:14:47I mean,

00:14:49it's hard

00:14:50to imagine

00:14:51though that

00:14:51the Jews

00:14:53would look

00:14:55at Gentiles

00:14:56who are

00:14:56following all

00:14:57kinds of

00:14:58pagan

00:14:58traditions

00:14:59and think

00:15:01that,

00:15:02yeah,

00:15:02I want to

00:15:04go and

00:15:05be like

00:15:05that.

00:15:06I mean,

00:15:07obviously

00:15:08to a great

00:15:09extent that

00:15:10is what

00:15:10they do,

00:15:11but that

00:15:12certainly

00:15:13doesn't

00:15:13prompt them

00:15:14to want

00:15:14to return

00:15:14to God.

00:15:16it makes

00:15:17them want

00:15:17to follow

00:15:18more pagan

00:15:19traditions

00:15:19like the

00:15:20nations

00:15:20and it

00:15:22doesn't

00:15:23make them

00:15:23jealous of

00:15:24those Gentiles

00:15:25in their

00:15:25relationship

00:15:26with God.

00:15:27It makes

00:15:27them jealous

00:15:28of them

00:15:28in their

00:15:29relationship

00:15:29to money

00:15:30or parties

00:15:31or whatever

00:15:33is going

00:15:34on in the

00:15:34culture in

00:15:35those traditions.

00:15:36So that's

00:15:37the wrong

00:15:38kind of

00:15:39jealousy.

00:15:40It's when

00:15:41those former

00:15:41Gentile believers

00:15:42are being

00:15:44obedient to

00:15:45God and

00:15:45reaping the

00:15:46blessings that

00:15:47obedience

00:15:47brings.

00:15:48Those are the

00:15:50blessings that

00:15:51are supposed

00:15:51to provoke

00:15:52those natural

00:15:53Israelites to

00:15:55a jealousy

00:15:56and saying,

00:15:57hey,

00:15:57that's what

00:15:58God promised

00:15:59us.

00:16:00Why aren't

00:16:01we getting

00:16:01that?

00:16:02A great

00:16:03example,

00:16:03the thief

00:16:06on the cross.

00:16:07It says,

00:16:10it stresses

00:16:11salvation.

00:16:13through their

00:16:14trespass

00:16:14salvation has

00:16:15come to

00:16:15the Gentiles.

00:16:18So something

00:16:19that had been

00:16:19promised to

00:16:20Judah or

00:16:21to the

00:16:22Hebrews was

00:16:23salvation.

00:16:25Or at least

00:16:25that was a

00:16:26stated goal,

00:16:28I guess.

00:16:29And that was

00:16:30offered to the

00:16:31thief on the

00:16:31cross.

00:16:32And I'm sure

00:16:33some people

00:16:33that were

00:16:34observing this

00:16:35would be like,

00:16:37wait, you can't

00:16:37do that.

00:16:38How's he

00:16:39deserving?

00:16:39He's being

00:16:40punished for

00:16:41great sin.

00:16:43I didn't

00:16:43sin.

00:16:44So it's

00:16:47certainly

00:16:47something to

00:16:48pause and

00:16:49ponder.

00:16:52But look at

00:16:53the situation

00:16:54with Cornelius.

00:16:56Cornelius was

00:16:56a Gentile.

00:16:58And by

00:16:59following

00:17:00the precepts

00:17:01of Yahweh,

00:17:03he got

00:17:04blessed.

00:17:05Him and

00:17:06his household.

00:17:08And

00:17:08situations

00:17:09like that

00:17:11will provoke

00:17:11jealousy

00:17:13amongst

00:17:13God's

00:17:14chosen

00:17:14people.

00:17:16Right, but

00:17:17the phrase

00:17:17talks about

00:17:18salvation being

00:17:19the key

00:17:21point of

00:17:22jealousy, I

00:17:22think.

00:17:23So, yeah,

00:17:24when Cornelius

00:17:25appropriates

00:17:25his salvation,

00:17:28I'm sure you

00:17:29have a number

00:17:29of people that

00:17:30are going to

00:17:30look at that

00:17:30and say,

00:17:31that's not

00:17:31fair.

00:17:32Why should

00:17:33he be given

00:17:33that?

00:17:34I think that's

00:17:35the point of

00:17:36this sentence

00:17:38is, the

00:17:40salvation is

00:17:42where the

00:17:43rubber meets

00:17:43the road,

00:17:44so to speak.

00:17:45Yeah,

00:17:47sometimes it

00:17:48gets a little

00:17:48cloudy here

00:17:49because Paul

00:17:49talks about

00:17:50different kinds

00:17:51of being

00:17:52chosen.

00:17:53And, you

00:17:54know, sometimes

00:17:54he's talking

00:17:55about Israel

00:17:56as a nation

00:17:57being the

00:17:57chosen people

00:17:58versus Gentile

00:18:00nations who

00:18:01aren't chosen

00:18:01like Jacob

00:18:02versus Esau.

00:18:03And sometimes

00:18:04he's talking

00:18:04about the

00:18:05individual

00:18:05salvation.

00:18:06And here

00:18:07he's kind

00:18:08of talking

00:18:08about both

00:18:09things at

00:18:09the same

00:18:09time where

00:18:11he's, you

00:18:13know, talking

00:18:13about Israel

00:18:14and God's

00:18:15treatment of

00:18:16Israel, but

00:18:17then he

00:18:17switches to

00:18:18talking about

00:18:18individual

00:18:19Israelites.

00:18:20repentance.

00:18:20And that's

00:18:21when he's

00:18:21talking about

00:18:22eternal

00:18:23salvation and

00:18:24repentance,

00:18:24forgiveness.

00:18:26And so, you

00:18:28know, he

00:18:28talks about

00:18:29the root, you

00:18:30know, the

00:18:30root and the

00:18:31first fruits of

00:18:32the dough.

00:18:32And here he's

00:18:33talking about

00:18:34the nation and

00:18:35then he switches

00:18:35to talking about

00:18:36the branches and

00:18:37now he's talking

00:18:38about salvation of

00:18:38individuals.

00:18:40So it can be a

00:18:41little confusing

00:18:41and people tend

00:18:42to conflate this

00:18:43entire conversation

00:18:44so that everything

00:18:45here is talking

00:18:46about eternal

00:18:47salvation of

00:18:48individuals and

00:18:49they can, then

00:18:50they can get

00:18:50themselves into

00:18:51all kinds of

00:18:51theological knots.

00:18:53Something here

00:18:54before we go

00:18:55too far talking

00:18:56about this, I

00:18:58wanted to point

00:18:58out some kind

00:19:00of a pattern

00:19:00that's happening

00:19:02in Paul's life.

00:19:03You know, he's

00:19:04talking about that

00:19:05his personal

00:19:05mission is to

00:19:07take the gospel

00:19:09to the Gentiles.

00:19:10You know, this is

00:19:11what Yeshua

00:19:11commissioned him

00:19:12to do.

00:19:14And, but

00:19:15Paul's heart is

00:19:17to take the

00:19:17gospel to the

00:19:18Jews.

00:19:18These are his

00:19:19people and this

00:19:20is who he

00:19:20really wants to

00:19:21be saved.

00:19:22But he's saying

00:19:24that in the next

00:19:25verse, I think it

00:19:25is, oh yeah,

00:19:27down in verse 13

00:19:28and 14, it's a

00:19:30little bit further

00:19:30ahead, but this

00:19:31kind of sets the

00:19:32stage for a lot

00:19:33of what he's

00:19:33going to talk

00:19:33about here in

00:19:34this chapter.

00:19:35That, you know,

00:19:36he is embracing

00:19:37his mission to

00:19:40bring the gospel

00:19:41to the nations

00:19:42because he's

00:19:43hoping that in

00:19:43doing so, it

00:19:45will come back

00:19:45to the Israelites.

00:19:46that the Jews

00:19:47will be saved

00:19:48because these

00:19:49Gentiles are

00:19:49being saved.

00:19:51But this, you

00:19:53know, as I'm

00:19:53reading through

00:19:53this and thinking

00:19:54about, well, how

00:19:55exactly does this

00:19:56work?

00:19:56Paul says that,

00:19:58going back to

00:19:59where we were,

00:20:01that salvation

00:20:02has come to the

00:20:02Gentiles so as

00:20:05to make Israel

00:20:06jealous and that

00:20:07their trespass,

00:20:09their sins,

00:20:10means riches for

00:20:12the world and

00:20:12their failure means

00:20:13riches for the

00:20:14Gentiles.

00:20:15Well, how

00:20:16exactly does

00:20:17that work?

00:20:17I mean, what,

00:20:18what is it about

00:20:19the failure of

00:20:19the Jews to

00:20:20bring salvation

00:20:21to the Gentiles?

00:20:24And we can

00:20:25see from stories

00:20:26like Rahab and

00:20:28Ruth that

00:20:29salvation was

00:20:30always available

00:20:31to Gentiles.

00:20:33The gospel,

00:20:35God hadn't

00:20:35commissioned Israel.

00:20:36I mean, he

00:20:37hadn't commanded

00:20:37them to go out

00:20:38to all the

00:20:38nations and,

00:20:40you know, tell

00:20:40them about Yahweh

00:20:41and, you

00:20:42know, say,

00:20:42you know, come

00:20:43to Jerusalem,

00:20:43come worship

00:20:44the creator of

00:20:45heaven and

00:20:45earth.

00:20:46He did hint

00:20:47through the

00:20:48prophets that

00:20:48this was his

00:20:49eventual plan

00:20:50for them and

00:20:51this is what he

00:20:51intended them

00:20:52to do, but,

00:20:53you know, because

00:20:54they couldn't

00:20:54receive his law

00:20:55directly on their

00:20:56hearts at Sinai,

00:20:57he stepped that

00:20:58back and, you

00:20:59know, extended

00:21:00that plan and

00:21:01they have to go

00:21:02through all this

00:21:02other sort of

00:21:03stuff to get to

00:21:03that point where

00:21:04they can be

00:21:05those, that nation

00:21:06of priests they

00:21:07really wants them

00:21:07to be.

00:21:09So what is it

00:21:10about their

00:21:10failures that

00:21:11make something

00:21:11different now?

00:21:13Well, it

00:21:14certainly makes a

00:21:14difference in

00:21:15Paul's life.

00:21:17You know, when

00:21:18after Yeshua

00:21:19met him on the

00:21:20road to Damascus,

00:21:21blinded him and

00:21:22sent him on to

00:21:23Ananias and,

00:21:25you know, he

00:21:25was healed from

00:21:28his blindness and

00:21:28he spent some time

00:21:29with Ananias and

00:21:30then he went out

00:21:31into the wilderness

00:21:32and, you know,

00:21:34spent years trying

00:21:35to figure himself

00:21:35out.

00:21:36The very first

00:21:37thing he did when

00:21:38he decided that he

00:21:39had to go start

00:21:40preaching the

00:21:40gospel, he

00:21:42went to the

00:21:42Jews.

00:21:43But what did

00:21:44Yeshua tell him

00:21:45to do?

00:21:46He didn't tell

00:21:47him to go to

00:21:47the Jews, he

00:21:48said go to the

00:21:48nations.

00:21:49But Paul goes

00:21:50and preaches to

00:21:51all the synagogues

00:21:51in his home

00:21:52region.

00:21:54Can't remember

00:21:54the region he

00:21:55was from up

00:21:56in the north

00:21:57of Antioch.

00:21:59And it's a

00:21:59total failure.

00:22:01And then on

00:22:01his first mission

00:22:02trip, he always

00:22:04goes to the

00:22:04synagogue first.

00:22:06And, you know,

00:22:06he teaches this

00:22:08in Romans to the

00:22:08Jew first and to

00:22:09the Gentile.

00:22:10But Yeshua

00:22:11didn't send him

00:22:12to the Jews.

00:22:12He sent him to

00:22:13the Gentiles.

00:22:14So what is Paul

00:22:15doing going to

00:22:15synagogues?

00:22:17Well, he's going

00:22:18there because his

00:22:19heart really wants

00:22:20to convert the

00:22:21Jews.

00:22:21He wants them to

00:22:22accept the

00:22:23Messiah.

00:22:23But they always

00:22:25reject him.

00:22:26And he is forced

00:22:27to go to the

00:22:28nations.

00:22:30So he is a

00:22:31prophet who has

00:22:34been given a

00:22:34commission that he

00:22:35refuses, decides to

00:22:37go somewhere else

00:22:38and God stops

00:22:39him and makes

00:22:40him go back and

00:22:41do what he told

00:22:41him to do the

00:22:42first time.

00:22:43Who does that

00:22:43remind you of?

00:22:45Anybody?

00:22:46I already know

00:22:47the answer.

00:22:49Jonah?

00:22:50That would be

00:22:50Jonah.

00:22:51Yeah.

00:22:51Jonah?

00:22:52Exactly right.

00:22:54Jonah was the

00:22:55first apostle to

00:22:56the Gentiles.

00:22:57He was sent to

00:22:59Nineveh to preach

00:23:00repentance, to

00:23:01preach eternal

00:23:03salvation to

00:23:04Ninevites.

00:23:05And he refused

00:23:06to go and

00:23:07tried to go to

00:23:07Tarshish.

00:23:09The ship

00:23:09rejected him or

00:23:11through the storm

00:23:12and he was tossed

00:23:13into the sea, which

00:23:14frequently in

00:23:15scripture is a

00:23:15metaphor for the

00:23:16nations and

00:23:17carried back to

00:23:18Nineveh where he

00:23:18was supposed to

00:23:19be in the first

00:23:19place.

00:23:20And then he

00:23:21pouted about it

00:23:22the whole time

00:23:22saying, God, why

00:23:23are you saving

00:23:24these people?

00:23:24I don't want to

00:23:25save these people.

00:23:26I want to save

00:23:27my people.

00:23:28And this is what

00:23:29Paul is saying,

00:23:29except instead of

00:23:30what Jonah did,

00:23:32you know, Jonah

00:23:33sat under his

00:23:34vine that God

00:23:35cursed and, you

00:23:37know, he was

00:23:38upset that God

00:23:39saved Nineveh and

00:23:39then he was upset

00:23:40that God killed

00:23:41his vine.

00:23:42Well, instead of

00:23:42pouting like Jonah,

00:23:44Paul turns around

00:23:44and accepts it and

00:23:45he says, okay, I'm

00:23:46going to embrace

00:23:47this and I'm

00:23:48going to magnify my

00:23:49ministry, my

00:23:50mission to the

00:23:51Gentiles because

00:23:52through it, I

00:23:53hope to bring

00:23:54Israel to

00:23:55repentance too.

00:23:56And that should

00:23:57have been Jonah's

00:23:57approach.

00:23:58Jonah should have

00:23:58been thinking, if

00:24:00even these Ninevites

00:24:01can repent and be

00:24:03blessed by God,

00:24:04maybe the people

00:24:05back home will

00:24:06see this too and

00:24:06they'll repent and

00:24:07be blessed by God.

00:24:09Yeah, that model

00:24:10was also in

00:24:12Abraham and in

00:24:13Noah.

00:24:15Abraham left

00:24:17and went into the

00:24:18world, went into

00:24:19the nations, if you

00:24:19will, and Noah

00:24:21was preaching

00:24:22repentance under

00:24:23everybody, you

00:24:24know, the

00:24:25nations, if you

00:24:25will.

00:24:26Yeah, so

00:24:26he listened.

00:24:28Nope.

00:24:28Yeah, but in

00:24:29Noah's case, well,

00:24:31again, I guess that

00:24:31is kind of similar

00:24:33because Noah's

00:24:33job wasn't to

00:24:35preach to the

00:24:35nations.

00:24:36His job was to

00:24:37save his own

00:24:38family.

00:24:39And he did

00:24:40that.

00:24:40Yeah, but he

00:24:40had 120 years

00:24:41to preach to

00:24:43the nations and

00:24:44it didn't work.

00:24:45But yeah, he

00:24:46was rejected by

00:24:47them and thrown

00:24:48into the sea like

00:24:49Jonah.

00:24:49Yeah.

00:24:51In a manner of

00:24:52speaking, he

00:24:52wasn't.

00:24:53He did get to

00:24:54stay in the

00:24:54boat, though,

00:24:55unlike Jonah.

00:25:00Yeah, Paul is

00:25:01pointing out that

00:25:01Noah, his

00:25:02experience in the

00:25:03sea was his own

00:25:04salvation, just

00:25:05like Jonah.

00:25:06I mean, Jonah was

00:25:07cast into the sea

00:25:08itself, but he

00:25:08was swallowed by

00:25:10a fish where,

00:25:12you know, presumably

00:25:13he died because you

00:25:14can't live inside of a

00:25:15fish for three days

00:25:17and then resurrected

00:25:18on the other

00:25:19side, which, you

00:25:21know, Noah was

00:25:23symbolically dead in

00:25:24this boat with

00:25:25surrounded by

00:25:26death and then

00:25:26resurrected when he

00:25:27came out of it

00:25:28again at the end

00:25:28of the flood.

00:25:30Knowing his

00:25:30family might as

00:25:31well have been

00:25:31dead because the

00:25:33rest of the world

00:25:33was gone.

00:25:34You know, like the

00:25:36rest of the world

00:25:36it would have been

00:25:37like, why are you

00:25:38trying to live?

00:25:40Yeah, anyways,

00:25:41this parallel between

00:25:42Jonah and Paul struck

00:25:44me earlier tonight

00:25:45and I really think

00:25:47that this is what

00:25:48Paul is talking

00:25:48about when he's

00:25:50saying that the

00:25:51failure of the

00:25:52Gentiles means riches

00:25:53for the,

00:25:54I mean, the

00:25:55failure of the

00:25:55Jews means riches

00:25:56for the Gentiles

00:25:58and their earlier

00:25:59failure because,

00:26:01you know, when they

00:26:02failed, when they

00:26:03were in the land,

00:26:04God exiled them to

00:26:05the nations.

00:26:06So they're going

00:26:07out into the

00:26:07nations, bringing

00:26:08Torah and prophecies

00:26:10of the Messiah with

00:26:11them in the

00:26:13northern kingdom

00:26:13being scattered all

00:26:14through the world,

00:26:15planting seeds of

00:26:18ideas from God's

00:26:19law in the Messiah

00:26:20everywhere they go,

00:26:21even though it may

00:26:22be hidden in some

00:26:23mythology.

00:26:24And then Paul and

00:26:26the other apostles

00:26:26come along and

00:26:28they water those

00:26:29seeds and it

00:26:29sprouts and they're

00:26:30able to use

00:26:31whatever is there.

00:26:33You know, they're

00:26:33able to start with

00:26:34synagogues and say,

00:26:36well, here's somebody

00:26:37teaching Moses.

00:26:38And so, you know,

00:26:39they start there and

00:26:40they teach the

00:26:41Gentiles and the

00:26:42Jews together.

00:26:43The Jews reject

00:26:43them, but now

00:26:44they've got a core

00:26:45of Gentile

00:26:45believers.

00:26:46And these Gentiles

00:26:47already know where to

00:26:48go and hear Moses.

00:26:50you know, they're

00:26:51not starting with

00:26:53nothing.

00:26:53They're starting with

00:26:54something that God

00:26:55has already planted

00:26:56there because of the

00:26:58earlier failure of the

00:26:59Jews.

00:27:00And if they had not

00:27:01failed and been

00:27:02exiled, there

00:27:03wouldn't be synagogues

00:27:04out there as

00:27:07rhizomes, if you

00:27:08want to call them

00:27:09that.

00:27:09I don't know if you

00:27:10know what a rhizome

00:27:11is.

00:27:11Certain kinds of

00:27:12grass and other

00:27:13plants, they send

00:27:15roots out under the

00:27:17surface that pop up in

00:27:18other places.

00:27:19And so, a single

00:27:21organism can cover

00:27:23potentially miles of

00:27:24territory because it

00:27:25keeps popping up all

00:27:26over the place.

00:27:27Mushrooms and

00:27:28certain grass species

00:27:29operate that way.

00:27:31Some mushrooms, not

00:27:32all of them.

00:27:33So, you're saying

00:27:34their failure basically

00:27:36caused them to be

00:27:36dispersed, which

00:27:38was used as a tool

00:27:40to inspire people in

00:27:43different areas, like

00:27:44the Gentiles?

00:27:45Yeah.

00:27:46And then Paul goes

00:27:47out to that

00:27:48synagogue and he

00:27:49tries to preach to

00:27:50the Jews who then

00:27:51reject him.

00:27:52So, here's another

00:27:53failure and his

00:27:54response to their

00:27:55rejection is bringing

00:27:57the gospel to the

00:27:58Gentiles.

00:27:59So, there are two

00:28:00ways in which the

00:28:01failures of Israel

00:28:03bring riches to the

00:28:04Gentiles.

00:28:05Let's see.

00:28:06Anything else that

00:28:07anybody wanted to

00:28:08talk about in

00:28:08verse 11?

00:28:09I think we've

00:28:10gone forever, but

00:28:11I stepped off for a

00:28:12second, but, you

00:28:14know, when I think of

00:28:14jealousy, in our

00:28:16Western culture, we

00:28:17think that jealousy

00:28:18is always a bad

00:28:19thing.

00:28:20And it's not.

00:28:22Like, we should be

00:28:22jealous of our

00:28:24wives.

00:28:25If our wives tend

00:28:27to are looking

00:28:31away from us and

00:28:33vice versa, we

00:28:34should be jealous.

00:28:35That's a righteous

00:28:36jealousy.

00:28:37Yeah.

00:28:38You know, just the

00:28:39way the father is the

00:28:40same way.

00:28:40You know, it's

00:28:41like, those are my

00:28:42children, and if

00:28:43they're seeking

00:28:45other gods, of

00:28:46course, I'm jealous.

00:28:49So, I think that

00:28:50it, you know, as I

00:28:52was coming to

00:28:55understanding the

00:28:56idea that, well, not

00:28:57the idea, the

00:28:58understanding that

00:28:58the definitions of

00:29:00like Hebrew and

00:29:02Greek and all these

00:29:03other things to the

00:29:04English, it's like,

00:29:05you know, oh, man,

00:29:06you know, jealousy is

00:29:07not necessarily a bad

00:29:08thing.

00:29:09Like, it's good to be

00:29:09jealous.

00:29:11It's good to have a

00:29:12righteous jealousy of

00:29:13certain things, and

00:29:15there's nothing wrong

00:29:17with it.

00:29:17So, I think that in

00:29:18the scriptures, like,

00:29:19if you don't

00:29:20understand them

00:29:21correctly, or if

00:29:23you're not a

00:29:25believer, and you

00:29:26see that and say,

00:29:28all your life, you've

00:29:29been told that it's

00:29:31not good to be

00:29:31jealous of somebody,

00:29:33and then somebody

00:29:36that's against the

00:29:37word of God looks

00:29:40that somebody, you

00:29:41know, it's talking

00:29:42to somebody that

00:29:44it's, they're new to

00:29:46this, to it, to the

00:29:47scriptures, and they're

00:29:48like, oh, jealousy is

00:29:50bad, right?

00:29:51It's like, yes.

00:29:52Okay, well, what about

00:29:53your God?

00:29:54Your God is jealous.

00:29:56They read them off.

00:29:58It could really, like,

00:29:59hit that person.

00:30:00It's like, oh, I have

00:30:00no comeback on that,

00:30:01you know?

00:30:02What do I say about

00:30:03that?

00:30:03But, but with

00:30:05understanding, you

00:30:06realize that jealousy

00:30:10is, it could be a

00:30:11righteous jealousy, and

00:30:13that's all right.

00:30:14It's, it's, it can be

00:30:15pathological, but there

00:30:16are good, good ways to

00:30:18be jealous, too.

00:30:19Right.

00:30:20Yeah, even, you can

00:30:21even be jealous to a

00:30:23pathological extent of

00:30:24something that you have a

00:30:25right to be jealous of,

00:30:26where, you know, to an

00:30:27extent where you get

00:30:27controlling and overbearing,

00:30:29that kind of thing.

00:30:30But where jealousy is

00:30:32really wrong is when

00:30:33you're jealous of what

00:30:34somebody else has that

00:30:35you don't have any

00:30:35right to.

00:30:36If you are jealous of

00:30:38somebody else's wife,

00:30:39now you've got a

00:30:40problem.

00:30:41Is that coveting?

00:30:43Yeah.

00:30:44Coveting your neighbor's

00:30:45wife.

00:30:46Right.

00:30:46Being jealous of what

00:30:47your neighbor has that

00:30:48you don't.

00:30:49Whereas being jealous of

00:30:51what you have, to an

00:30:53extent, is a good

00:30:54thing.

00:30:55Yep.

00:30:56All right, let's go on

00:30:57to verse 12.

00:30:59Now, if their

00:30:59trespass means riches

00:31:01for the world, and if

00:31:02their failure means

00:31:02riches for the Gentiles,

00:31:04how much more will

00:31:05their full inclusion

00:31:06mean?

00:31:07You know, one of the

00:31:07ways that I mentioned

00:31:09that the failure of

00:31:11the Jews meant

00:31:12riches for the world

00:31:13is that they were

00:31:16blinded by their own,

00:31:18by their pride in what

00:31:19they knew about God's

00:31:20law.

00:31:21They've got the law

00:31:22and the prophets, and

00:31:23they don't need anybody

00:31:25to teach them.

00:31:25They have all this

00:31:27scholarship, and they

00:31:29were very proud of it,

00:31:30and so they had built

00:31:31up all this stuff

00:31:32around their

00:31:33scholarship, forgetting

00:31:34what the original

00:31:35purpose of the Torah

00:31:36was.

00:31:37You know, the Torah

00:31:38wasn't there necessarily

00:31:39to reveal all kinds of

00:31:41esoteric secrets and

00:31:44make the Jews

00:31:46higher than the

00:31:47nations.

00:31:47It was there to make

00:31:49them more set apart,

00:31:51more in line with

00:31:52God's character.

00:31:54And, but because

00:31:56they had that

00:31:57misunderstanding, they

00:31:59didn't recognize the

00:31:59Messiah when he came

00:32:01and they rebelled

00:32:02against him, but they

00:32:04still have that

00:32:05knowledge of the

00:32:06Torah and the

00:32:06prophets.

00:32:07You know, what Paul

00:32:08had said earlier is

00:32:10that to them

00:32:12belongs the

00:32:13patriarchs and the

00:32:14oracles of God, and

00:32:16they carried all of

00:32:18these good traditions

00:32:20along with the bad

00:32:21ones.

00:32:21So if they're full

00:32:23inclusion, if they

00:32:24repent and they are

00:32:25brought back into the

00:32:26fold, they recognize

00:32:28the Messiah, they

00:32:29submit to him, they're

00:32:30bringing with them this

00:32:31wealth of tradition and

00:32:33knowledge and

00:32:34understanding, the

00:32:35cultural understanding

00:32:36that the rest of the

00:32:37world doesn't have.

00:32:39You know, we can see

00:32:40that in, you know, like

00:32:42some of the

00:32:42translations that we

00:32:43have now, the

00:32:44complete Jewish Bible

00:32:45and the tree of life

00:32:45version, things like

00:32:46that, where we've got

00:32:49new translations of the

00:32:50Bible that give a whole

00:32:51new perspective on

00:32:52things, they're not

00:32:53always the most

00:32:54accurate, but I mean,

00:32:56at least to the

00:32:56literal translation of

00:32:57the text, but they

00:32:59give a whole new

00:32:59understanding of things

00:33:01that we might not have

00:33:01thought of, you know, a

00:33:02new perspective, a

00:33:04Jewish perspective, which

00:33:06might be closer to

00:33:07what, you know, Yeshua

00:33:09and Paul knew in their

00:33:11day.

00:33:11They're bringing them

00:33:12back into the fold with

00:33:13all of the knowledge as

00:33:14long as they can keep it

00:33:15in perspective and sort

00:33:18through what's valid

00:33:19tradition and what's

00:33:21not.

00:33:22I think that will, that

00:33:23will be some of the

00:33:25even greater riches that

00:33:26we will gain from that.

00:33:28Anybody think of any

00:33:29other benefits that

00:33:32would come from the

00:33:34natural Israelites or the

00:33:35Jews repenting and

00:33:36coming to believe in

00:33:37Messiah?

00:33:38I mean, this was also

00:33:39like a, this was also

00:33:42prophesied as well.

00:33:43Like the father knew

00:33:45that all these things

00:33:46were going to happen

00:33:47as well.

00:33:48But just the thought

00:33:50of like, as we see in

00:33:52our modern times that

00:33:54we're seeing over and

00:33:55over again, especially

00:33:56now with like social

00:33:57media, a lot of, you

00:34:00know, so-called leaders

00:34:01of the church stumbling

00:34:04and falling.

00:34:06And what you're seeing

00:34:08is a fall in a way,

00:34:11but it didn't split in

00:34:13two.

00:34:13There are some people

00:34:14that just decided to

00:34:15completely quit the

00:34:17faith.

00:34:19And there are some

00:34:20others that are

00:34:21digging their heels in

00:34:24into the word.

00:34:26So this is, it's, it's

00:34:29weird, but it's almost

00:34:30like the falling away

00:34:33or the trespassing,

00:34:34the transgressions or

00:34:35all this other stuff

00:34:37is beneficial again to

00:34:39the body is, you know,

00:34:43obviously you know that

00:34:45if you're, if you're

00:34:48into gardening and I'm

00:34:49not, my wife is, you

00:34:51know, you know that

00:34:52sometimes you have to

00:34:53clip the plant or the

00:34:57tree in order for, you

00:35:00know, the bad, the bad

00:35:03branches in order for

00:35:05most of the energy to go

00:35:07to the good branches.

00:35:08So the falling away

00:35:10of, of, or cutting

00:35:12away of these things

00:35:13are actually a good

00:35:15thing.

00:35:15And that's a good

00:35:17mindset to have as

00:35:19we see people

00:35:21falling away, people

00:35:24breaking away from the

00:35:25faith and not that you

00:35:27should be joyful for

00:35:28them specifically, but

00:35:30if anything, you

00:35:32know, the second part

00:35:33of, of this says how

00:35:36much more will their

00:35:37full inclusion mean.

00:35:40And the father is so

00:35:41great that you can

00:35:43be grafted back in

00:35:45into it, or you

00:35:47can through repentance

00:35:48go back to, to the

00:35:51root of it all, who

00:35:53is Yeshua.

00:35:53And I just, I just

00:35:55think that's a, it's

00:35:57so beautiful that he

00:36:00has it all figured

00:36:00out and put in

00:36:02place.

00:36:02And I don't think

00:36:04that many people

00:36:07that we can all like

00:36:09see how everything

00:36:10works for his honor

00:36:13and glory at the end

00:36:14of the day.

00:36:14Like we think it's

00:36:17bad or it's a failure

00:36:18like it says and all

00:36:20it, but now it's like

00:36:21now at the end of the

00:36:21day, you know, it all

00:36:23works out perfectly

00:36:25because I think that

00:36:27just like, uh, you

00:36:28know, Pharaoh, his

00:36:29heart was already

00:36:30given to that.

00:36:31And that's what's

00:36:33happening.

00:36:33Like all he's doing

00:36:35at the end of the

00:36:35day is he's not

00:36:38making that.

00:36:38I think that's, that's

00:36:39where the struggle is

00:36:41for some people

00:36:42because they think,

00:36:44and I was thinking

00:36:44about this today

00:36:45where I think people

00:36:47think that he has

00:36:50that we're his

00:36:52puppets and that

00:36:54we're, we're here for

00:36:55his entertainment

00:36:57and people actually

00:36:58think that, you

00:37:00know, because they

00:37:00see so much evil and

00:37:02destruction in the

00:37:03world and all these

00:37:03things.

00:37:04And it's like, no,

00:37:05it's really not.

00:37:06It's like, we have to

00:37:07understand that we

00:37:09have, we have, we're

00:37:10playing a part in all

00:37:12of this, but he

00:37:14doesn't want us to

00:37:15suffer.

00:37:15He doesn't want us

00:37:16to, you know, he

00:37:18wants to bless us at

00:37:18the end of the day,

00:37:19at the end of the

00:37:20day.

00:37:20Uh, but it's, we're

00:37:22the ones that, uh,

00:37:24through our actions

00:37:26end up not reaping

00:37:29what he asked us to

00:37:30sell, you know, I

00:37:32know I rambled a

00:37:33little bit there, but

00:37:33you know, I was

00:37:34really touched by

00:37:35that.

00:37:36Yeah.

00:37:37I think it's, uh,

00:37:38it's also interesting

00:37:39like how God is such

00:37:41a master juggler.

00:37:43You know, he's not,

00:37:45we're not a puppet,

00:37:47but he works to make

00:37:49all things for his

00:37:50good and to bring

00:37:51you back into his

00:37:52will and to bless

00:37:53you and all these

00:37:54different things when

00:37:55you're in his will.

00:37:55And if you think

00:37:57about the number of

00:37:58times just in one

00:37:59person's life, they've

00:38:00gone astray, repented,

00:38:04you know, gotten back

00:38:05into the will of the

00:38:06father and things are

00:38:08orchestrated for their

00:38:09good to bring them

00:38:10back into the fullness

00:38:12of his will.

00:38:14And how many times we

00:38:15just like divert and go

00:38:18different ways that we

00:38:19shouldn't be going.

00:38:19And he's like trying to

00:38:20course correct us.

00:38:22And like how many

00:38:24people on the planet

00:38:26he's doing that with

00:38:27at one time and just

00:38:29all these things to

00:38:30accomplish one major

00:38:31purpose.

00:38:32It's just, it's mind

00:38:33book.

00:38:35It's the magnitude of

00:38:36it is crazy.

00:38:38Well, God has a big

00:38:39plan.

00:38:40You know, that, that

00:38:42overall plan, we've

00:38:43got lots of prophecies

00:38:45in the old Testament

00:38:45about the exile and

00:38:47the restoration of

00:38:48Israel.

00:38:51And just the

00:38:52fulfillment of those

00:38:52prophecies is another

00:38:54form of riches.

00:38:56You know, we can, we

00:38:57can look at all kinds

00:38:57of prophecies in the

00:38:58old Testament and we

00:38:59can point to, you

00:39:00know, Yeshua fulfilled

00:39:01this one and this one

00:39:02and this one, but then

00:39:03the Jews will say, but

00:39:04he didn't fulfill this

00:39:05one and this one.

00:39:06So he can't really be

00:39:07the Messiah when they

00:39:09repent and they

00:39:09recognize him as

00:39:10Messiah.

00:39:11Those prophecies will

00:39:12also be fulfilled by

00:39:14their repentance.

00:39:15And that's the

00:39:16missing thing that

00:39:18they're not getting

00:39:19it yet, but they

00:39:20will.

00:39:21I can't remember what

00:39:22the passage is.

00:39:23I might have it written

00:39:24down here somewhere.

00:39:26I did not write that

00:39:27passage down.

00:39:29There's a prophecy

00:39:30that talks about

00:39:32Jacob's tent.

00:39:33And, and this

00:39:34prophecy says, you

00:39:36know, widen your

00:39:37tent.

00:39:37And it doesn't say

00:39:38Jacob, but you know,

00:39:39it's the prophecy is

00:39:41directed at Israel.

00:39:42And he's saying, widen

00:39:43your tent because

00:39:44you're going to bring

00:39:45in all of these

00:39:46people from the

00:39:46nations and, you

00:39:48know, widen your

00:39:48tent means they're

00:39:49going to be part of

00:39:49your tent.

00:39:50It doesn't mean that

00:39:51they're going to be

00:39:53come and just bless

00:39:54you and be your

00:39:54servants.

00:39:55They're coming to be

00:39:56part of your

00:39:56household.

00:39:59And that can't

00:40:00happen until

00:40:01those, until

00:40:03Israel repents.

00:40:04I mean, we are

00:40:05being grafted into

00:40:06Israel.

00:40:07We are being

00:40:07introduced into that

00:40:08tent, but right

00:40:10now it's, it's just

00:40:12a very thin

00:40:14structure because

00:40:15most of Israel is

00:40:16still lost.

00:40:18But when, when

00:40:20the majority, when

00:40:21all of Israel

00:40:22repents and returns

00:40:23to the Messiah, then

00:40:25it will be a much

00:40:26stronger, you know, a

00:40:28much bigger tent for

00:40:29all of us to fit

00:40:30into.

00:40:31It's exciting.

00:40:33I don't think we

00:40:34quite understand.

00:40:36I think we've

00:40:36heard traditional

00:40:39Christianity and

00:40:40in this mindset of

00:40:41like, oh, you

00:40:41know, Israel coming

00:40:42to the fold or

00:40:43whatever, but I

00:40:44don't think we

00:40:44understand the whole

00:40:45magnitude of what's

00:40:46going to happen

00:40:47when, you know,

00:40:49their eyes are

00:40:49open.

00:40:52The ending of

00:40:53Ezekiel, where

00:40:54God is prophesying

00:40:56that he's going to

00:40:57bring all of Israel

00:40:57back to the land,

00:40:58but they're also

00:40:59going to bring all

00:41:00these Gentiles with

00:41:00them.

00:41:01That can't happen

00:41:02until Israel repents

00:41:04and returns to

00:41:05God, submits

00:41:06themselves to

00:41:07Messiah, and

00:41:08only then do we

00:41:10get an inheritance

00:41:10in the land right

00:41:11alongside the

00:41:12native.

00:41:13Yeah, and it's

00:41:15difficult because,

00:41:16right, you know,

00:41:16there's been so

00:41:17much confusion of

00:41:18like, you know,

00:41:20the Jews as a

00:41:21race, as a

00:41:22culture, as, you

00:41:24know, religion,

00:41:26as a, you

00:41:27know, even a

00:41:31political base.

00:41:32There's so much

00:41:33confusion of that

00:41:34that, you

00:41:35know, it's

00:41:35not, it's

00:41:36hard to comprehend

00:41:37and understand

00:41:38unless you're

00:41:39like, been

00:41:40studying this,

00:41:42you've been in

00:41:42this walk for a

00:41:43while, and

00:41:44there's some

00:41:45kind of

00:41:45humbleness at

00:41:46the end of

00:41:47the day.

00:41:48Because I

00:41:48think people

00:41:49tend, again,

00:41:51it's like, just

00:41:52like Jonah, right?

00:41:53Where it's like,

00:41:54what are you

00:41:55talking about?

00:41:55Like, you

00:41:56know, I've

00:41:57done all this

00:41:57effort, and

00:41:59you're just

00:42:00going to help

00:42:00these people that

00:42:01have rejected

00:42:02you.

00:42:04So we're

00:42:04almost like

00:42:05Jonah, too, if

00:42:06we're not

00:42:06careful, where

00:42:08we're like, oh,

00:42:09come on.

00:42:10You know, they

00:42:10rejected you at

00:42:11first, the whole

00:42:12dispensationalism kind

00:42:13of thing, right?

00:42:13Where they

00:42:14rejected you, oh,

00:42:16we're the new

00:42:19promise, right?

00:42:20We're the new

00:42:21covenant now, which

00:42:22is, you know,

00:42:22it's a conversation

00:42:23for another day.

00:42:24But like, come on,

00:42:26like, we've

00:42:26sacrificed, we've

00:42:27done so much, and

00:42:28now these people that

00:42:29rejected you, all of a

00:42:30sudden you're going

00:42:31to bring them

00:42:31back to the

00:42:32fold, like, you

00:42:33know, we have to

00:42:33be careful of that

00:42:34as well, because

00:42:36like, look, it's

00:42:37nothing personal, it's

00:42:39just that the

00:42:40father made promises

00:42:41that he has to

00:42:42keep.

00:42:43So it is what it

00:42:44is, I'm sorry.

00:42:46Say again?

00:42:48Paula said, or

00:42:49he's a liar.

00:42:51Exactly.

00:42:52All right, so

00:42:52it's like, I don't

00:42:55know what to tell

00:42:55you.

00:42:56They're the chosen

00:42:57people, whether you

00:42:58love or not, and

00:43:00it is what it

00:43:01is, and it

00:43:02will be who of

00:43:02you to recognize

00:43:05that.

00:43:06His word says, you

00:43:08got to bless him.

00:43:09And who them is, I

00:43:11understand that's, you

00:43:13know, it can be, there's

00:43:15some tension there on

00:43:16what that actually

00:43:17means.

00:43:20If you're saying that

00:43:21you're losing focus,

00:43:22you're losing focus,

00:43:24because you got to go

00:43:25back to his promises,

00:43:26you got to realize who

00:43:29he is, he's not,

00:43:32somebody said that

00:43:33he's not, he's not a

00:43:36God that has multiple

00:43:38personalities.

00:43:40He doesn't, he doesn't

00:43:42think one way and then

00:43:43he changes his mind the

00:43:44other day or anything

00:43:45like that.

00:43:46I think that you could

00:43:47get confused if you

00:43:48read the scripture and

00:43:49say, oh, he's changing

00:43:50his mind all the time.

00:43:51I was like, no, he

00:43:53doesn't change his mind.

00:43:54He's solid.

00:43:55If anything, we're the

00:43:58ones that shift away

00:44:00from his plans or his

00:44:02blessings, but it's not

00:44:04him.

00:44:05So I don't think we

00:44:07understand the, the, and

00:44:09I don't either, to be

00:44:10honest with you, and the

00:44:12fullness of like, what's

00:44:13it going to be like once

00:44:15Israel goes through having

00:44:19their eyes and ears open

00:44:20to all of this.

00:44:22Yeah, there's a Jewish

00:44:23guy I interact with

00:44:24frequently on Twitter

00:44:25and he's, he's a

00:44:28believer.

00:44:29So he's a Messianic Jew.

00:44:31He would probably

00:44:32wouldn't call himself

00:44:33that, but you know,

00:44:34that's what he is.

00:44:34Cause he's, he's not a,

00:44:37he's not a Torah

00:44:38keeper.

00:44:39He doesn't believe that,

00:44:40you know, even Jews

00:44:41today are supposed to be

00:44:42keeping God's commandments,

00:44:44at least not most, at

00:44:46least not the ones that

00:44:47people like to put in

00:44:48that ceremonial category.

00:44:50He's a dispensationalist.

00:44:52And so, you know, he

00:44:53believes that we're in

00:44:54the church age and, you

00:44:56know, it, Yeshua will,

00:44:59there will be the rapture

00:45:00and Yeshua comes back and

00:45:01then there's going to be

00:45:02another Jewish age.

00:45:03And, you know, the last,

00:45:04the last part of prophecy

00:45:07is all about the Jews.

00:45:08And this is typical

00:45:10dispensationalist kind of

00:45:11stuff that, you know,

00:45:12God's got, the church is

00:45:13God's people now in, you

00:45:15know, in, in the

00:45:16millennial era, the Jews

00:45:17are going to be God's

00:45:18people again.

00:45:19And he, he kind of

00:45:22pooh-poohs the idea of

00:45:23Gentiles trying to keep

00:45:24Sabbath and, you know,

00:45:25doing all this Jewish

00:45:26stuff.

00:45:28And he was mocking

00:45:29people in, in

00:45:30Louisiana.

00:45:31He's saying, there are

00:45:32some very confused

00:45:33people down there right

00:45:34now.

00:45:34There are teachers going

00:45:35around teaching people

00:45:36to keep the Sabbath.

00:45:38And so now all of a

00:45:39sudden you got all these

00:45:39Cajuns in, in

00:45:40Louisiana, swamp people

00:45:42keeping the Sabbath.

00:45:43What is wrong with these

00:45:44people?

00:45:45And so I replied,

00:45:46excellent.

00:45:47Tell him Shabbat Shalom

00:45:48from Texas.

00:45:50And, you know, he, he

00:45:51just laughed at me

00:45:52because, you know, it's

00:45:54mostly good nature and

00:45:55he's not mean about it or

00:45:56anything, but I really

00:45:57look forward to the idea

00:45:58to the day when he sees

00:46:02the truth about what's

00:46:03really supposed to

00:46:04happen here.

00:46:05And he's like, oh,

00:46:06these Gentiles had it

00:46:07right all along.

00:46:10And I'm supposed to be

00:46:11keeping the Sabbath too

00:46:12because, you know, I

00:46:14keep telling everybody

00:46:15that was given to me,

00:46:16not you.

00:46:16So what are you doing

00:46:17with it?

00:46:18He's not keeping it

00:46:19either.

00:46:19So why, what are you

00:46:20complaining about?

00:46:22Yeah.

00:46:23And I think if you

00:46:24understood the culture of,

00:46:25you know, the Cajun

00:46:25culture, like Paula does

00:46:27better than I do.

00:46:28You understand like the

00:46:30craziness of a Cajun

00:46:33coming to that

00:46:34understanding.

00:46:35Yeah.

00:46:36It's like, oh, what?

00:46:37Yeah.

00:46:38We all always believe in

00:46:39Jesus, but are you

00:46:40telling me that this,

00:46:41that and the other?

00:46:42Yeah.

00:46:42No more crawfish.

00:46:44What?

00:46:45So if you understand the

00:46:46Cajun culture and

00:46:48understand how, how steep

00:46:50they are in certain

00:46:51things.

00:46:52And obviously if you've

00:46:55been around Cajuns,

00:46:56there are some of the

00:46:58most wonderful people

00:46:59people ever, right?

00:47:01Like they're so kind

00:47:03hearted and loving,

00:47:04caring.

00:47:05And all these great

00:47:06things, you know, but

00:47:07then there's these other

00:47:08things that go against

00:47:11the structures of the

00:47:12father.

00:47:12So for them to

00:47:14recognize these things

00:47:16is just amazing.

00:47:20Especially when

00:47:23there's nothing wrong

00:47:24about that.

00:47:25There's nothing wrong

00:47:26like resting.

00:47:28There's nothing wrong

00:47:29with not eating things

00:47:30you shouldn't eat, but

00:47:31yet people get

00:47:33really hurt about

00:47:35that.

00:47:36Yep.

00:47:37Yeah.

00:47:37It is very personal.

00:47:38Personal.

00:47:40Yeah.

00:47:40I fast forwarded on the

00:47:42screen to verses 17

00:47:44and 18 because it was

00:47:45talking about what you

00:47:47were discussing where

00:47:48Paul says, you know,

00:47:49don't be arrogant toward

00:47:50the branches.

00:47:51branches and he's

00:47:52talking about the

00:47:52branches that are cut

00:47:53off, those natural

00:47:55branches that were cut

00:47:56off.

00:47:56Don't be arrogant

00:47:56against them because

00:47:58even though those

00:47:59individual branches are

00:48:00cut off, they are

00:48:01still God's chosen

00:48:02people, even unfaithful,

00:48:04even in exile.

00:48:05they're still God's

00:48:07chosen people.

00:48:08So they may not be

00:48:09saved, but they're

00:48:11still Israel.

00:48:14And so don't be

00:48:15arrogant because, you

00:48:17know, your salvation

00:48:18depends on theirs.

00:48:19Well, it depends on

00:48:20them.

00:48:20It doesn't depend on

00:48:21their salvation.

00:48:21It depends on them.

00:48:23And if it hadn't been

00:48:24offered to them first, it

00:48:26never would have been

00:48:27offered to you.

00:48:28And I think that's the

00:48:29problem with this

00:48:30specialization because

00:48:31that was me

00:48:33subconsciously.

00:48:33I was there about

00:48:35that.

00:48:36You know, I thought,

00:48:36well, the Jews messed

00:48:37up and we replaced

00:48:38them and we're better

00:48:39than them because we

00:48:41have Jesus now and

00:48:43that's it.

00:48:45But that, you know, it

00:48:46was so ignorant of me

00:48:48to see it that way

00:48:50because, come on, if

00:48:52you believe Paul, I

00:48:54think that's the part

00:48:55of it.

00:48:55Like, we have this

00:48:56misunderstanding of Paul,

00:48:58but if you understand

00:48:58that Paul was a, I

00:49:00didn't know that Paul

00:49:01was a Benjamite.

00:49:02I didn't know that he

00:49:03called himself a Jew.

00:49:04Like, I didn't know

00:49:04these things because I

00:49:05never read the

00:49:06scriptures themselves.

00:49:07So, once you understand

00:49:08that he was a Pharisee,

00:49:10right, that he studied

00:49:11under Gamaliel and,

00:49:14you know, he was this

00:49:15lawyer dude.

00:49:16He, like, he understood

00:49:17the scriptures really

00:49:18well.

00:49:18It's just that his heart

00:49:19was steeped in, you

00:49:21know, religion and not

00:49:23in the truth.

00:49:24And once he, once the

00:49:26father symbolically,

00:49:27right, well, not

00:49:28symbolically, but also

00:49:29like, naturally, he

00:49:31like, you know, he

00:49:32opened his, his eyes

00:49:34to these things.

00:49:36You know, my

00:49:36arrogance went away

00:49:38and your heart has

00:49:41this, a soft spot

00:49:45for the Jews

00:49:47because, man, it's

00:49:49they, they've, they've

00:49:51suffered a lot.

00:49:52They've gone through a

00:49:53lot.

00:49:54And yes, I understand

00:49:55that that is because of

00:49:57their own hardness of

00:49:59their heart or because

00:50:00they've rejected the

00:50:01father and they're

00:50:02done their things as

00:50:03well.

00:50:03But you got to see

00:50:04this as in a cultural

00:50:08historical way, not

00:50:09just looking at the

00:50:11land of Israel the way

00:50:12it is now and looking

00:50:13at those people because

00:50:14some of them don't even

00:50:15recognize themselves as,

00:50:17you know, Jews in, in a

00:50:19biblical sense, you

00:50:20know, and as a, as a

00:50:24race separately from

00:50:25those things.

00:50:26Like there's Jews right

00:50:27now, right?

00:50:28That don't eat pork and

00:50:30follow the, and do the

00:50:31Shabbat, but not

00:50:32necessarily because they're

00:50:34trying to, you know,

00:50:36please the father or

00:50:37Abba.

00:50:38They do it because it's

00:50:39just a cultural thing,

00:50:40but still it doesn't

00:50:42matter.

00:50:42Like that's, it's a

00:50:44blessing to them,

00:50:45whether they realize it

00:50:46or not, that they're

00:50:47doing these things.

00:50:49So they're, they're the

00:50:50gatekeepers to this day,

00:50:51right?

00:50:52You know, the scepter is

00:50:54not going to go away

00:50:55from Judah.

00:50:56Like they're still, at

00:50:57the end of the day,

00:50:58this, they're still

00:50:59pointing us to the

00:51:02father himself without

00:51:03them even realizing

00:51:04it.

00:51:05Yep.

00:51:06Yeah.

00:51:07And our, our job

00:51:08isn't to drive off the

00:51:09Jews, you know, to

00:51:10chase them away, but

00:51:12to help repair their

00:51:14tent, you repair it so

00:51:16that we can all be

00:51:16under the same

00:51:18messianic umbrella.

00:51:20Anything else to say

00:51:21about verse 12?

00:51:22Right.

00:51:23All right.

00:51:23On to verse 13, 13,

00:51:2714.

00:51:28Now, I am speaking to

00:51:30you Gentiles in as much

00:51:31then as I am an apostle

00:51:32to Gentiles, I magnify

00:51:34my ministry in order

00:51:35somehow to make my

00:51:36fellow Jews jealous and

00:51:37thus save some of them.

00:51:39Just to note about this

00:51:40word magnify.

00:51:42It's the Greek word is

00:51:43doxazo.

00:51:46And, you know, it's,

00:51:47it's the same root when

00:51:48we get the word

00:51:49doxology, which is a, a

00:51:51song of praise.

00:51:53And magnify, I think

00:51:55is probably, probably

00:51:58gives the wrong

00:51:59impression of what he

00:51:59means.

00:52:01I don't think he means

00:52:02to praise his

00:52:04ministry, which is kind

00:52:06of what I think that

00:52:07word gives the

00:52:07impression of.

00:52:08I think what he means

00:52:10is to put everything

00:52:12into it, to make it as

00:52:13big and successful as

00:52:14possible.

00:52:15I think that's really

00:52:16what he's saying.

00:52:18He markets himself.

00:52:20He will hype his

00:52:21ministry.

00:52:22If he's going to go to

00:52:23a town, he's going to

00:52:24send somebody ahead in

00:52:26to, to get some buzz

00:52:27going.

00:52:28Like get, get the word

00:52:29on the street going

00:52:30because I'm going to

00:52:30show up there on this

00:52:31date and I want there

00:52:33to be people waiting and

00:52:34ready to hear the

00:52:35message.

00:52:36I'm pretty sure that

00:52:37that's what he means.

00:52:38He wants his mission to

00:52:39be as successful as

00:52:40possible.

00:52:41to hasten the day

00:52:43when the Jews take

00:52:44notice and repent in

00:52:46turn.

00:52:47Yeah, he's marketing

00:52:49and there's, I

00:52:53frequently say bad

00:52:55things about marketing

00:52:55and it's not, it's not

00:52:57the concept of

00:52:58marketing that I have

00:52:59trouble with.

00:53:00It's the methods.

00:53:02A lot of marketing

00:53:03involves dishonest

00:53:06hype.

00:53:07Like saying total

00:53:10exaggerations, promises

00:53:11about things that

00:53:12will never happen and

00:53:13everybody knows them

00:53:14don't ever happen.

00:53:16Leaving out some of

00:53:18the truth, like leaving

00:53:19out the bad stuff and

00:53:20only saying the good

00:53:21stuff, you know, all

00:53:23that's kind of

00:53:23dishonest.

00:53:24That doesn't mean that

00:53:25you have to tell

00:53:26everybody everything all

00:53:27the time.

00:53:27I mean, you, it is

00:53:28just good, good sense.

00:53:31If you're trying to sell

00:53:31somebody on something

00:53:32that you make the

00:53:33good, you magnify it

00:53:36literally.

00:53:36You make the good

00:53:37seem better than the

00:53:38bad.

00:53:38That doesn't mean you

00:53:39hide the bad.

00:53:40It just means that you

00:53:41try to put it in

00:53:43perspective.

00:53:44Try to tell people how

00:53:46this is going to

00:53:46benefit you.

00:53:47And yeah, there are

00:53:48these downsides, but the

00:53:50benefit outweighs it and

00:53:51here's why.

00:53:52I mean, that's, in my

00:53:54opinion, that's good

00:53:54marketing.

00:53:55That's not always the

00:53:56most effective marketing,

00:53:57but it's honest.

00:53:59And I can't see Paul

00:54:02being like, you know,

00:54:04like today's marketers

00:54:05where they're hiding

00:54:07the bad and only

00:54:09telling you the good

00:54:10and then exaggerating

00:54:11it way out of

00:54:12proportion.

00:54:13But marketing in

00:54:15itself, the concept

00:54:16of marketing is a

00:54:17good thing.

00:54:17I mean, if Yeshua

00:54:20going from town to

00:54:21town and visiting

00:54:22the synagogues and

00:54:23going out into the

00:54:26temple courtyard and

00:54:27preaching, that was

00:54:28marketing.

00:54:30If he didn't want to

00:54:31market, he could just

00:54:31stay out in the

00:54:32countryside and just

00:54:34sit on a hillside and

00:54:35start talking and wait

00:54:36for people to come to

00:54:37him.

00:54:37But no, he went to the

00:54:39places where the people

00:54:39were.

00:54:40You know, sometimes he

00:54:42went to a hillside and

00:54:44he attracted people, but

00:54:47more often he went to

00:54:48where the people were.

00:54:49He went to Jerusalem.

00:54:50He went to the temple.

00:54:52He went to the main

00:54:53streets and the markets

00:54:54and that's where he

00:54:55interacted with people.

00:54:56And that's just good

00:54:57marketing, going where the

00:54:58people are.

00:54:59He also did what you

00:55:02might call marketing

00:55:03stunts, you know,

00:55:05riding into Jerusalem

00:55:06on the 10th day of

00:55:07Nisan on the back of

00:55:10a donkey with a

00:55:11foal right next to

00:55:12you in all of your

00:55:14disciples' coats on the

00:55:15back of the donkey.

00:55:16This was good marketing

00:55:19because the people were

00:55:20expecting a Messiah-like

00:55:22figure and he comes in

00:55:24riding a donkey with

00:55:27the foal.

00:55:27So he's riding in on the

00:55:29beast traditionally that

00:55:31the king would come in

00:55:32peace on the back of a

00:55:33donkey.

00:55:34And there's a prophecy

00:55:36about the Messiah coming

00:55:37on a donkey and her

00:55:39foal.

00:55:40Yes.

00:55:41So he's doing all of

00:55:42these things that are

00:55:43going to trigger people

00:55:44and say, oh, is this

00:55:45guy the Messiah?

00:55:47And he's saying, yes,

00:55:48come on.

00:55:49You can get there in

00:55:51without actually telling

00:55:52them.

00:55:53And that's just good

00:55:54marketing.

00:55:55And I think that's some

00:55:57of what Paul is talking

00:55:58about here, that he

00:56:00he tries to be all

00:56:02things to all people.

00:56:03He meets them where they

00:56:04are, talks to them in

00:56:05their own language.

00:56:06He goes to the village

00:56:07square and he says

00:56:09things that are

00:56:10controversial.

00:56:12He goes to Mars Hill

00:56:13and says, hey, you guys

00:56:14are really religious and

00:56:15you got this altar over

00:56:16here to the unknown

00:56:17God.

00:56:17But let me tell you

00:56:19about this unknown God

00:56:20that you guys have been

00:56:21worshiping and I have no

00:56:22idea what's really

00:56:22happening here.

00:56:24And he causes trouble,

00:56:26causes riots.

00:56:27I don't think he

00:56:28necessarily meant to

00:56:29cause riots, but he

00:56:30did deliberately stir up

00:56:31controversy in order to

00:56:33attract attention.

00:56:34And that was to make his

00:56:36mission, it was to raise

00:56:38the profile of his

00:56:39ministry to catch more

00:56:41people's attention.

00:56:42Yeah, absolutely.

00:56:43And I think there's the

00:56:44difference between like

00:56:47even me.

00:56:48So I'm a school trained

00:56:49marketer, even if I'm

00:56:51really in practice too

00:56:52much, but my last year

00:56:53of college is the one

00:56:56that actually made me

00:56:57want not to go into

00:56:58marketing.

00:56:59But there's I think I had

00:57:00a lack of understanding

00:57:01between advertising and

00:57:03marketing.

00:57:04Right.

00:57:05Advertising.

00:57:06And that's what Yeshua

00:57:08did well.

00:57:09You know, he did market

00:57:11because marketing, the

00:57:14difference between

00:57:15marketing and advertising

00:57:15is that, you know,

00:57:17marketing, it's a few

00:57:18differences, but one of

00:57:19the one of the things

00:57:20about marketing is that

00:57:21it has to be backed up

00:57:22is data driven or in

00:57:26Yeshua's case, truth

00:57:27driven.

00:57:28So what he was showing

00:57:30is like, like, I'm just

00:57:31showing you the truth of

00:57:32what was already

00:57:33prophesied about me and

00:57:35I'm bringing it to you,

00:57:37you know, and that's

00:57:40that's he did both.

00:57:41He marketed, but he

00:57:43advertised himself in a

00:57:46truthful way, the way

00:57:47marketing should be with

00:57:49back data and truth and

00:57:52wisdom and knowledge and

00:57:53understanding.

00:57:55And that's the way he did

00:57:57it.

00:57:57And Paul is the same.

00:58:00He's doing the same thing

00:58:02where he's magnifying.

00:58:04In other words, like.

00:58:06looking at and I agree

00:58:08with you, I think if if

00:58:10you look at it, if you

00:58:11don't understand Paul and

00:58:12who he is, I think in

00:58:14the English, because I

00:58:15before I really was in

00:58:17the scriptures, I would

00:58:18look at it and think that

00:58:19Paul was like a

00:58:21boasting.

00:58:23But that's not what he's

00:58:25doing.

00:58:25If you read through

00:58:27everything in detail, you

00:58:29understand that he's

00:58:30extremely committed to

00:58:32the mission.

00:58:33So whatever it is that

00:58:34he needs to do, obviously

00:58:36in truth, to and

00:58:40and that's this another

00:58:41one, too, because he

00:58:42says my ministry and he

00:58:44says this a lot.

00:58:46You know, the Romans and

00:58:48people.

00:58:49Get a bad taste about

00:58:50that because he keeps

00:58:52saying my ministry.

00:58:53So he's like, oh, OK,

00:58:54well, it's about you.

00:58:55So either they say, oh,

00:58:57Paul is trying to bring

00:58:58attention to himself, my

00:59:00ministry or other people

00:59:02think that this is where

00:59:04there's this separation

00:59:05where there is no longer

00:59:08the Jews and now

00:59:10the specialism thing,

00:59:11right, where it's like now

00:59:12it's the church because

00:59:14it's now Paul.

00:59:15Paul is the one that

00:59:17created this new system

00:59:19in this church and this

00:59:20thing where we should

00:59:22know by now that

00:59:24Paul, just like Yeshua,

00:59:26he had to follow the

00:59:28father's doctrines.

00:59:29He couldn't stay and

00:59:31steer away from it.

00:59:32He cannot add.

00:59:32He cannot subtract from

00:59:34it.

00:59:34The scriptures say so

00:59:36is not when he means my

00:59:39ministry.

00:59:39He means the father's

00:59:42ministry.

00:59:42He means Yeshua

00:59:43ministry.

00:59:44The exact same one

00:59:45itself.

00:59:46So when he's when you

00:59:48understand that he's a

00:59:49man by my ministry, what

00:59:51he's saying is magnifying

00:59:53Yeshua, magnifying

00:59:55Torah, you know,

00:59:57magnifying Abba, you

00:59:59know, that's what in the

01:00:01day.

01:00:01And I think that's where

01:00:02people, you know, get,

01:00:03you know, things twisted

01:00:06because of their own heart,

01:00:07I guess, and go the other

01:00:09way.

01:00:10Yeah.

01:00:11The same word, it's

01:00:13it's based on the same

01:00:14word as the deacon comes

01:00:16from, which means

01:00:17service.

01:00:19And it can be literally

01:00:20translated as service or

01:00:22office or appointment.

01:00:24And I think the King

01:00:25James actually does

01:00:26translate it as office.

01:00:28But if God chooses

01:00:31somebody in for a

01:00:33particular role and

01:00:34gives that to them, then

01:00:35it is theirs.

01:00:36It is theirs for the

01:00:37benefit of the kingdom.

01:00:38But it's not wrong to

01:00:40say my appointment or

01:00:43my service to you, my

01:00:44service to the kingdom,

01:00:45my service to God.

01:00:48And Moses had an

01:00:49office.

01:00:50Aaron had an office and

01:00:51they defended it.

01:00:52So when Aaron and

01:00:55Miriam challenged

01:00:56Moses and said, you

01:00:57know, we're prophets

01:00:58too.

01:00:59And, you know, the real

01:01:00complaint was about the

01:01:01Ethiopian woman that

01:01:03Moses had married.

01:01:04And, you know, God

01:01:05reacted to that.

01:01:07God defended Moses.

01:01:09It's like, no, Moses is

01:01:11my chosen man for this

01:01:12role.

01:01:13Don't you try to usurp

01:01:14his place because you

01:01:15don't like something he

01:01:15said or did.

01:01:17And then when

01:01:19Korah and his group

01:01:21tried to get into

01:01:22there and they did

01:01:23the same thing, it's

01:01:24like, you know, Moses

01:01:25and Aaron are all high

01:01:26and mighty, but aren't

01:01:27we all prophets?

01:01:28Like, well, let's have

01:01:30a contest here and see

01:01:32who wins in the ground

01:01:33opens up and swallows

01:01:34them all.

01:01:36So there when

01:01:38Paul says my

01:01:39ministry, this is

01:01:41something that God

01:01:42had given him.

01:01:43God gave him an

01:01:43appointment, a mission

01:01:44to accomplish.

01:01:45And it wasn't anybody

01:01:46else's.

01:01:47You know, he was

01:01:49glad when other

01:01:50people took up that

01:01:51same banner

01:01:52in, you know, brought

01:01:53the gospel to the

01:01:54nations, you know,

01:01:55Apollos and Priscilla

01:01:57and Aquila, and he

01:01:58helped them all is

01:01:59and he said, you

01:02:00know, don't, don't be

01:02:01jealous for me when

01:02:02other people are out

01:02:03there preaching the

01:02:04gospel to the

01:02:04nations, you know,

01:02:05is they're going to

01:02:08get things wrong.

01:02:08wrong, but as long

01:02:09as the gospel is

01:02:10out there, then

01:02:11it's a win for

01:02:12everybody.

01:02:13Go ahead, June.

01:02:14Even Peter in

01:02:162 Peter 3 and

01:02:1916, it says

01:02:23about there are

01:02:25some things that

01:02:26are hard to

01:02:27understand with

01:02:29ignorant and

01:02:31unsettling twist as

01:02:34they also do to the

01:02:35other scriptures to

01:02:37their own

01:02:38destruction.

01:02:39So Paul's

01:02:41writing, it was

01:02:43hard for many to

01:02:46understand and

01:02:48because they didn't

01:02:49understand it, they

01:02:50twist it as they do

01:02:52to the other

01:02:53scriptures because

01:02:54people tend to

01:02:55twist the

01:02:56scriptures to

01:02:57suit their

01:02:58situation.

01:03:02always making

01:03:03excuses, right?

01:03:06Yeah, or if

01:03:07they're upset about

01:03:08what somebody else

01:03:09is doing, they

01:03:09will twist that

01:03:10person's word to

01:03:12make it sound like

01:03:12they're saying

01:03:13something they're

01:03:13not, which is what

01:03:15they were always

01:03:15doing to Paul.

01:03:16Yes, that's what

01:03:17they did to him.

01:03:19And they're still

01:03:20doing it to him.

01:03:22Yes.

01:03:23When I used to be

01:03:24on Facebook, oh my

01:03:25gosh, I've

01:03:27heard it numerous

01:03:28times, Paul was

01:03:30a liar, that's

01:03:33why you always

01:03:33keep saying he

01:03:35is speaking the

01:03:36truth because he

01:03:37wants to conform

01:03:38his truthful

01:03:40speaking because

01:03:42he was lying.

01:03:44I've seen

01:03:45various comments

01:03:47about Paul,

01:03:48people talking

01:03:49about Paul not

01:03:50being a real

01:03:52follower of

01:03:55Yeshua.

01:03:56Yeah.

01:03:57He had his

01:03:58own doctrine and

01:04:00it was all about

01:04:01him.

01:04:02Yeah, I hear

01:04:03that frequently.

01:04:04He was lying

01:04:04by himself.

01:04:05Yeah.

01:04:06So it's not

01:04:08unusual to hear

01:04:09people have

01:04:11their comments

01:04:13about Paul and

01:04:16negative comments

01:04:18about him.

01:04:20Yep, I hear

01:04:20it all the

01:04:21time.

01:04:22I hear it

01:04:22from both

01:04:23sides.

01:04:23I hear people

01:04:24who love

01:04:25Paul completely

01:04:27misrepresenting

01:04:28his teaching.

01:04:29And then I

01:04:30hear people who

01:04:31hate Paul

01:04:31completely

01:04:32misrepresenting

01:04:33his teaching.

01:04:34And they're

01:04:34usually both

01:04:35misrepresenting it

01:04:36the same way.

01:04:37And one side

01:04:38loves him for

01:04:38it, the other

01:04:39side hates him

01:04:40for it.

01:04:41Neither one

01:04:41of them really

01:04:42understand what

01:04:43he was saying.

01:04:44So strange.

01:04:46That's why

01:04:47in both sides

01:04:50also like they

01:04:51would add

01:04:52maybe one

01:04:53side more

01:04:54more deep

01:04:55than the other

01:04:55one.

01:04:56But they both

01:04:57say that Paul

01:04:58is a stumbling

01:04:59block to

01:05:00people.

01:05:01And I would

01:05:02agree, but

01:05:03not because the

01:05:04father is like

01:05:05intentionally trying

01:05:06to be put a

01:05:07stumbling block.

01:05:08Obviously, he's

01:05:08not.

01:05:09It's just our

01:05:10heart.

01:05:12Because Paul is

01:05:13could be difficult

01:05:14to understand if

01:05:16you don't understand

01:05:17where he's coming

01:05:17from and who

01:05:18he is.

01:05:19But I think

01:05:20once you get

01:05:21it, once you

01:05:22do understand

01:05:23all these

01:05:23things, like I

01:05:24mentioned before

01:05:24that he was

01:05:25a Jew.

01:05:27That's the

01:05:28reality of it.

01:05:28He was a

01:05:28Pharisee before.

01:05:29You've got to

01:05:30understand all

01:05:30these things.

01:05:31You've got to

01:05:31understand that

01:05:32he had Roman

01:05:34citizenship.

01:05:35Once you

01:05:35understand those

01:05:36things and

01:05:37understand the

01:05:39consequences of

01:05:40all of that,

01:05:41then you're

01:05:42like, oh,

01:05:43if I put

01:05:44myself in

01:05:44his shoes,

01:05:47then things

01:05:48just have a

01:05:49different meaning

01:05:49for all these

01:05:50things.

01:05:52It takes a

01:05:52little bit.

01:05:53Once you get

01:05:54it, it

01:05:55takes practice.

01:05:56You have to be

01:05:57open-minded.

01:06:00We've talked

01:06:01about this.

01:06:02I feel like it's

01:06:03a recurring

01:06:04thing that we've

01:06:05been at it for

01:06:06the last few

01:06:07weeks or months

01:06:07where it's

01:06:08like the

01:06:09fact that

01:06:10the theology

01:06:12that we've

01:06:13carried in

01:06:14the past

01:06:14tends to

01:06:16skew us

01:06:16from this

01:06:17mindset.

01:06:18Even if you

01:06:19get certain

01:06:19things, it's

01:06:20still difficult

01:06:20to quite

01:06:22grasp the

01:06:23whole thing

01:06:23of who

01:06:24Paul is

01:06:25or the

01:06:26scriptures are

01:06:26and Torah

01:06:27and stuff

01:06:28like that

01:06:28because we're

01:06:28still carrying

01:06:29that baggage

01:06:30of religion

01:06:31and theology.

01:06:33Once you

01:06:34get past

01:06:35the idea

01:06:36that Paul

01:06:37was not

01:06:37teaching

01:06:38against

01:06:38God's

01:06:38commandments

01:06:39and that

01:06:39he was

01:06:40still a

01:06:40Jew, still

01:06:41a practicing

01:06:41Jew, the

01:06:43hard part

01:06:43becomes

01:06:44filtering, you

01:06:45know, taking

01:06:46off those

01:06:46lenses that

01:06:47you've been

01:06:48wearing all

01:06:48this time, you

01:06:49know, all the

01:06:49doctrinal stuff

01:06:51that you've

01:06:51inherited from

01:06:52your childhood

01:06:53or your

01:06:54parents or

01:06:54wherever you

01:06:55got it from

01:06:56or just

01:06:56culture in

01:06:57general and

01:06:58reading Paul

01:06:59for what he

01:06:59says rather

01:07:00than what

01:07:01you've been

01:07:01told he

01:07:01says because

01:07:03it's really

01:07:03hard to

01:07:04read even a

01:07:05single verse

01:07:06of Paul's

01:07:07letters and

01:07:08not read all

01:07:09of that

01:07:09baggage into

01:07:10it, even

01:07:11when you

01:07:11know that it

01:07:12doesn't really

01:07:12say what

01:07:13they say it

01:07:14says.

01:07:15Yep, exactly.

01:07:17Even when you

01:07:18don't.

01:07:19Paul was an

01:07:20intelligent man.

01:07:22Oh yeah, he's

01:07:22very intelligent.

01:07:24Yes, and he

01:07:25was brought up

01:07:25under the

01:07:26Mariel, so

01:07:28and I think

01:07:29that's one of

01:07:29the reasons

01:07:30he was so

01:07:30grossly

01:07:32misunderstood.

01:07:33Yep.

01:07:34Maybe he's

01:07:34taking over

01:07:34everybody's

01:07:35head a bit.

01:07:36Yeah, I

01:07:37mean, I've

01:07:37been around

01:07:37super smart

01:07:38people, man,

01:07:39and super

01:07:43smart people

01:07:43tend to be

01:07:45they have a

01:07:46hard time

01:07:48explaining things

01:07:49to people

01:07:49because, you

01:07:50know, there's

01:07:50so much up

01:07:51there in

01:07:53their IQ

01:07:53that it's

01:07:55hard for them

01:07:55to break it

01:07:56down to a

01:07:58level of

01:07:59understanding to

01:08:00other people.

01:08:01Yeah, they

01:08:02don't understand

01:08:02what you don't

01:08:03understand.

01:08:03people who

01:08:04aren't as

01:08:04smart tend

01:08:06to feel like

01:08:07the smart

01:08:08person is

01:08:08speaking a

01:08:09different

01:08:09language.

01:08:11Yeah, yeah,

01:08:11I've been

01:08:12around them

01:08:12and it's

01:08:14difficult to

01:08:15do it, to

01:08:18grasp it,

01:08:19you know, and

01:08:20if you're

01:08:21somewhat smart

01:08:22then you can

01:08:23understand a

01:08:24little bit

01:08:24better that

01:08:25they're struggling

01:08:25to explain

01:08:26things to

01:08:26you, but

01:08:27if you're

01:08:28not, and

01:08:28this is not

01:08:28to say

01:08:30that all

01:08:31people are

01:08:31dumb or

01:08:32anything like

01:08:32that, it's

01:08:32just the

01:08:33reality of

01:08:33things, right?

01:08:34There's some

01:08:35people that

01:08:35are just

01:08:35higher than

01:08:36others, just

01:08:38genetics or

01:08:39whatever you

01:08:40want to call

01:08:40it, but

01:08:41it's just

01:08:41the way it

01:08:42is, and

01:08:42I think

01:08:42that's where

01:08:44his struggle

01:08:44comes from.

01:08:45I think I've

01:08:46heard, and I

01:08:46don't know how

01:08:47true this is,

01:08:47but in order

01:08:48to be a

01:08:49Pharisee or

01:08:49to study under

01:08:50Galiel, you

01:08:52had to know

01:08:53the Torah, the

01:08:55first five books

01:08:56of the scriptures

01:08:58from beginning

01:08:58to end, word

01:09:00by word, because

01:09:01that's how

01:09:01they passed

01:09:02on everything,

01:09:04right?

01:09:05I've heard

01:09:05that too, I

01:09:06don't know

01:09:06what the

01:09:06source is, but

01:09:07I've heard

01:09:07it.

01:09:08Yeah, I

01:09:08don't know

01:09:08either, like

01:09:09I said, but

01:09:10I wouldn't get

01:09:11past them

01:09:11because historically

01:09:13other cultures

01:09:14have done the

01:09:14same thing,

01:09:15right?

01:09:15The Indians

01:09:16have done the

01:09:16same thing

01:09:17where they

01:09:17passed on,

01:09:18you know,

01:09:18there's nothing

01:09:19they've passed

01:09:20it on from

01:09:21generation to

01:09:21generation through

01:09:23history, and

01:09:23they've had

01:09:24specific people

01:09:25that their job

01:09:27was to learn

01:09:28everything in

01:09:29detail, word

01:09:29by word, and

01:09:30they couldn't

01:09:31add, and

01:09:32they couldn't

01:09:32subtract to

01:09:33it, so it's

01:09:34not unusual to

01:09:35believe that, so

01:09:36just to imagine

01:09:37that, you know,

01:09:37he learned that

01:09:39it's possible

01:09:39that he knew

01:09:40the word by

01:09:42word, the

01:09:43five, you

01:09:45know, books

01:09:45of the Torah,

01:09:47it's incredible.

01:09:48Can't be an

01:09:48idiot and know

01:09:49those things,

01:09:49you know?

01:09:50That is for

01:09:51sure.

01:09:52Yeah, and I

01:09:53think you had

01:09:54said that you

01:09:55doubt that God

01:09:57intentionally made

01:09:57Paul difficult to

01:09:58understand it,

01:09:59not so sure.

01:10:01Yeah, maybe

01:10:02he did.

01:10:03Because, you

01:10:04know, that's one

01:10:05of the reasons

01:10:05that he said he

01:10:05taught in

01:10:06parables.

01:10:07He taught in

01:10:07parables specifically

01:10:08so that some

01:10:09people would not

01:10:10understand, and

01:10:11it wasn't that he

01:10:12was trying to hide

01:10:12it from the

01:10:13dumb people, or

01:10:14he was trying to

01:10:15hide it from the

01:10:15smart people,

01:10:16actually.

01:10:17Yeah.

01:10:18And, you know,

01:10:18the people who

01:10:19would just accept

01:10:21what he had to

01:10:21say with faith were

01:10:23more likely to

01:10:23understand what he

01:10:24was teaching, and

01:10:26the people who

01:10:26were trying to

01:10:26make it more

01:10:27complicated than it

01:10:28had to be were

01:10:29missing it.

01:10:30And I think that

01:10:31that may be a key

01:10:32to understanding

01:10:32Paul also, is

01:10:34that, you know, he

01:10:34is really smart, and

01:10:35he does kind of

01:10:36talk in circles

01:10:36sometimes, but his

01:10:38message really isn't

01:10:40that complicated most

01:10:41of the time, and we

01:10:42try to fit it into

01:10:43some grand system

01:10:47of theology when it

01:10:50just wasn't that

01:10:51complicated.

01:10:53No, I agree with

01:10:54you.

01:10:56That's the thing, even

01:10:57in today's environment,

01:10:58there are certain

01:10:58people, I'm not going

01:10:58to mention any names

01:10:59because I don't want

01:11:00people to think that

01:11:01I'm, like, you know,

01:11:02on their side, but

01:11:03there are certain

01:11:03people now that you

01:11:04hear them talk, and

01:11:06they definitely, it

01:11:08seems like they make

01:11:09things more complicated

01:11:10than what they really

01:11:10are, and they're

01:11:11super small people, you

01:11:13know, but it's like,

01:11:13man, you could have

01:11:14dumbed that down big

01:11:15time.

01:11:15It's just that that's

01:11:17not the way their mind

01:11:18works.

01:11:19And again, I don't

01:11:20think that the father

01:11:22purposely said, again,

01:11:24you know, oh, I'm

01:11:25going to confuse people

01:11:26because of Paul.

01:11:27It's just, it is what

01:11:29it is.

01:11:29Like, he's not

01:11:30necessarily trying to

01:11:31do that.

01:11:31It's just that it's

01:11:33what's in your heart.

01:11:35To me, it's like, you

01:11:36know, you should be

01:11:37able to understand

01:11:37it.

01:11:38It really is not that

01:11:39complicated.

01:11:40Like, I know Paul's

01:11:43super smart.

01:11:44I get it.

01:11:45But he's really not

01:11:46that hard to

01:11:47understand.

01:11:48In my opinion, you

01:11:50know, once you get

01:11:51it, you get it.

01:11:52It's like when you

01:11:53were a kid and you

01:11:54had fractions, right?

01:11:55Like, they seem so

01:11:57hard.

01:11:57But once you

01:11:58understand how

01:11:58fractions work,

01:11:59there's nothing

01:12:00complicated about it

01:12:01at all.

01:12:02At all.

01:12:03Right?

01:12:04And it's kind of

01:12:04the same thing.

01:12:05You know, it's

01:12:06just, I think it's

01:12:07more of a heart

01:12:08thing than anything

01:12:09else.

01:12:11A brain thing.

01:12:12Yeah.

01:12:13I think that's a

01:12:14good point.

01:12:16You know, when

01:12:16you have a

01:12:17relationship with

01:12:18somebody and you've

01:12:21gotten to know

01:12:21them, there's a

01:12:23level of trust that's

01:12:24built, right?

01:12:25And so, if somebody

01:12:27comes to you about a

01:12:28person that you've

01:12:29gotten to know and

01:12:29that you trust, and

01:12:31they say, they said

01:12:33this, and you hear it

01:12:35and you say to

01:12:35yourself, this is not

01:12:37that person's

01:12:38character.

01:12:39This is not.

01:12:40And so, they say

01:12:41something like, I

01:12:43actually have a

01:12:43recording of it.

01:12:45And so, then, like,

01:12:46they might play it

01:12:47for you.

01:12:48And you hear the

01:12:48same words.

01:12:49And you might even

01:12:50think, okay, that

01:12:52really doesn't sound

01:12:53right.

01:12:55But then, you think

01:12:56to yourself, I know

01:12:57this person.

01:12:58I know that I know

01:12:58this person.

01:12:59I know I trust this

01:13:00person.

01:13:00So, what you do is

01:13:02you take that trust

01:13:04and you apply that

01:13:05trust and you

01:13:06investigate further.

01:13:07You look deeper.

01:13:09You seek.

01:13:10And I think that,

01:13:12really, the parables

01:13:12and even Paul's

01:13:14writing was meant

01:13:16to drive us to

01:13:17seek deeper, to

01:13:19say, I know God

01:13:21is trustworthy.

01:13:22I know God is

01:13:23true.

01:13:24And to say, what

01:13:26am I missing?

01:13:27What am I not

01:13:28seeing?

01:13:30Right?

01:13:30And I think that's,

01:13:31we do that in our

01:13:33own relationships.

01:13:35If we're not just,

01:13:36I don't know, what

01:13:37do I want to say?

01:13:39If we're not crazy, I

01:13:40mean, I hate to

01:13:41say it that way, or

01:13:43if we're not, if

01:13:45we're just not

01:13:46serious enough, if

01:13:47we don't take things

01:13:47seriously enough, we

01:13:49might be willing to

01:13:51like, ignore and

01:13:54ignore what, what we

01:13:55believe about

01:13:56somebody and just

01:13:57start to believe

01:13:57someone else and

01:13:59believe lies or

01:14:00believe gossip.

01:14:02But we do that to

01:14:03our own detriment and

01:14:04to the detriment of

01:14:05our relationships.

01:14:06But if we really

01:14:07are healthy, and

01:14:11we have good

01:14:12relationships, and

01:14:13we have a good

01:14:13barometer for

01:14:15measuring these

01:14:15things in people,

01:14:17we're not going to

01:14:18just automatically

01:14:19believe something

01:14:20someone tells us.

01:14:21We're going to, we're

01:14:22going to dig deeper.

01:14:23And I think that's

01:14:25what he meant for

01:14:26us to do when I

01:14:28think about like

01:14:28Paul's writings, or

01:14:30I think about just

01:14:32the parables.

01:14:35there is where

01:14:36perception comes

01:14:38in, perception

01:14:40and discernment.

01:14:42And where the

01:14:44scripture is

01:14:45concerned, we

01:14:47need a Holy

01:14:47Spirit, because

01:14:49the Holy Spirit

01:14:51is who's going to

01:14:53give us this

01:14:55clarity that we

01:14:57need.

01:14:58You know, the

01:15:00Bible talks about

01:15:01seeing and not

01:15:02perceive.

01:15:03So we want to

01:15:05perceive what the

01:15:06word is saying, and

01:15:09we need the

01:15:11guidance of the

01:15:11Holy Spirit to

01:15:13have that

01:15:13perception.

01:15:15And we must

01:15:16have discernment,

01:15:17because as

01:15:18Paula just said,

01:15:20you know, you

01:15:20may know

01:15:20someone, and

01:15:22somebody has

01:15:24come to tell

01:15:24you a lot of

01:15:25negative things

01:15:26about this

01:15:27person, and

01:15:28they may even

01:15:29present facts.

01:15:30but if you

01:15:32have a

01:15:33spirit of

01:15:34discernment,

01:15:35because people

01:15:37do all sorts

01:15:38of things these

01:15:39days, may

01:15:41have someone's

01:15:42voice appear

01:15:43to be

01:15:44theirs, and

01:15:46you know, a

01:15:47lot of

01:15:47manipulation

01:15:48goes on.

01:15:49So I

01:15:51believe if

01:15:52you have a

01:15:53spirit of

01:15:54discernment

01:15:55through the

01:15:57indwelling Holy

01:15:58Spirit, you

01:15:59will be guided

01:16:00and led to

01:16:01the truth.

01:16:03That's my

01:16:04point.

01:16:05That's a

01:16:06great point.

01:16:07Yeah, and

01:16:07then also

01:16:07combination of

01:16:08the scriptures

01:16:09in the spirit

01:16:10working together.

01:16:11The two

01:16:14testimonies, the

01:16:15two witnesses,

01:16:16and I think

01:16:18that's important.

01:16:18It's like,

01:16:19that's, instead

01:16:20of taking one

01:16:21person's word

01:16:22saying, okay,

01:16:23I'm looking for

01:16:23another witness

01:16:24here, or I'm

01:16:25even thinking,

01:16:26I know this

01:16:27person's character,

01:16:28so I have a

01:16:30character witness

01:16:31from myself,

01:16:33but then I

01:16:34also, I'm

01:16:34looking for

01:16:35that other

01:16:35witness, right,

01:16:36and that Holy

01:16:37Spirit would be

01:16:37that other

01:16:38witness in

01:16:39that kind of

01:16:39sense.

01:16:42And I'm

01:16:43saying this,

01:16:44I'm going to

01:16:44make this next

01:16:45comment, not

01:16:46for you guys,

01:16:47because more

01:16:48to the listener,

01:16:49because I

01:16:50personally know

01:16:52you three,

01:16:55but I hope

01:16:57that people

01:16:58understand that

01:16:58when we're

01:16:58saying,

01:17:00everything that

01:17:01we're saying,

01:17:01that,

01:17:02Paul is,

01:17:03and the

01:17:05Holy Spirit,

01:17:06is that all

01:17:07three of us

01:17:08come at this

01:17:09from experience,

01:17:10because we've

01:17:11all been there

01:17:11before.

01:17:13At some point,

01:17:14we had a

01:17:15misunderstanding of

01:17:15Paul.

01:17:16At some point,

01:17:17we were blinded

01:17:19from things

01:17:19that we didn't

01:17:20recognize,

01:17:21so all three

01:17:22of us having

01:17:23this conversation,

01:17:24we're all

01:17:24saying this

01:17:24out of

01:17:25humbleness,

01:17:26understanding

01:17:27that some

01:17:28people,

01:17:29like we've

01:17:30been there,

01:17:31in other words,

01:17:31without,

01:17:32I'm not going

01:17:32to say anything

01:17:33for it,

01:17:33but not to

01:17:34make things

01:17:34complicated,

01:17:35but we've

01:17:35all been

01:17:36there before

01:17:37in our past,

01:17:38so it's not,

01:17:38there's nothing

01:17:39special about us

01:17:40or anything like

01:17:41that,

01:17:41it's just,

01:17:42you know,

01:17:43there's not,

01:17:44you don't have

01:17:45to be this

01:17:46super holy

01:17:47spiritual person,

01:17:48like I,

01:17:48none of us

01:17:49walk on water

01:17:49or anything like

01:17:50that,

01:17:50it's just that

01:17:51at the end

01:17:51of the day,

01:17:52you know,

01:17:52we,

01:17:53you know,

01:17:53we've had

01:17:54to come

01:17:56to this

01:17:57truth,

01:17:57there's levels

01:17:58of difficulty

01:18:01because we

01:18:02have to,

01:18:02for some

01:18:03of us,

01:18:03we have to

01:18:04swallow our

01:18:04pride,

01:18:05we have to

01:18:06humble ourselves

01:18:08to the

01:18:09understanding

01:18:09that we

01:18:11didn't quite

01:18:12understand things

01:18:12the way we

01:18:14were taught.

01:18:15And it

01:18:15could very

01:18:16well be

01:18:16that next

01:18:17year we

01:18:18will realize

01:18:19that we

01:18:19didn't

01:18:20understand

01:18:20things so

01:18:21well this

01:18:21year.

01:18:22Yeah.

01:18:23Yeah.

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