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What is the difference between good works being a requirement for the saved and being a requirement for salvation itself? What does it mean to be grafted into or cut off from the tree of Israel? Does "once saved, always saved" really fit with what Paul wrote about being grafted in, cut off, and re-grafted in? Can someone be saved without knowing the name of Jesus or that the Messiah has already come? What is the partial hardening that has come upon Israel? What is the status of biblical Israel today? Is the New Covenant in full force today? Did God divorce Israel?
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What is the difference between good works being a requirement for the saved and being a requirement for salvation itself? What does it mean to be grafted into or cut off from the tree of Israel? Does "once saved, always saved" really fit with what Paul wrote about being grafted in, cut off, and re-grafted in? Can someone be saved without knowing the name of Jesus or that the Messiah has already come? What is the partial hardening that has come upon Israel? What is the status of biblical Israel today? Is the New Covenant in full force today? Did God divorce Israel?
From Jay Carper at Common Sense Bible Study (https://CommonSenseBibleStudy.com) and American Torah (https://www.AmericanTorah.com).
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00:00:01so welcome back to common sense bible study in a journey through the book of romans
00:00:06and we are in romans chapter 11 verse 23 we talked about this chiastic structure of romans
00:00:13last week and we're in the second half towards the beginning so the first half of the book is
00:00:19mostly talking to talking to the jews reminding them that they're not they shouldn't think of
00:00:27themselves as being all high and mighty and they need to accept these gentiles in the last half of
00:00:32the book is mostly talking to gentiles reminding them that they wouldn't have any of this the
00:00:39scriptures or the messiah or any of it without the jews and the genetic descendants of jacob remain
00:00:46god's chosen people even when they are living in sin and not believing in him he may cut them out
00:00:53he may exile from the land he may put them into slavery do all kinds of things to them
00:00:57but because of his faithfulness to the patriarchs he has promised to save that nation you know part
00:01:04of that process is cutting some of the dead branches off so it's not a promise that every individual
00:01:10israelite will be saved but it is a promise that a core of the genetic descendants of jacob will be
00:01:18saved as part of the the tree of israel for the whole nation but just as a refresher reading verse
00:01:2522
00:01:27note then the kindness and the severity of god severity toward those who have fallen but god's
00:01:31kindness to you provided you continue in his kindness otherwise you too will be cut off and even
00:01:38they if they do not continue in their unbelief will be grafted in for god has the power to graft
00:01:43them
00:01:43in again for if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree and grafted contrary
00:01:48to
00:01:49nature into a cultivated olive tree how much more will these the natural branches grafted back into
00:01:54their own olive tree lest you be wise in your own sight i do not want you to be unaware
00:01:59of this mystery
00:02:00brothers a partial hardening has come upon israel until the fullness of the gentiles has come in
00:02:06and in this way all israel will be saved as it is written the deliverer will come from zion
00:02:11he will banish ungodliness from jacob and this will be my covenant with them when i take away their
00:02:16sins as regards the gospel they are enemies for your sake but as regards election they are beloved
00:02:21for the sake of their forefathers for the gifts and the calling of god are irrevocable for just as
00:02:27you were at one time disobedient to god but now have received mercy because of their disobedience
00:02:32so they too have been have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you
00:02:37they also may now receive mercy for god has consigned all to disobedience that he may have
00:02:43mercy on all oh the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of god how unsearchable heart
00:02:48are his judgments and how inscrutable in ways for who has known the mind of the lord or who has
00:02:54been
00:02:54his counselor or who has given a gift to him that he might be repaid or from him and through
00:02:59him
00:02:59and to him are all things to him be glory forever amen all right and that amen there is not
00:03:06only a
00:03:07you know so be it statement it also does mark the the main part of paul's letter all right so
00:03:13back to
00:03:14just to review verse 22 here find my notes behind all the powerpoint mess okay in verse 22 okay so
00:03:24we had determined that you know we talked about different interpretations of the tree and especially
00:03:30the root you know what is the root and what is that first lump of dough that is holy and
00:03:36in context
00:03:37it seems to me and of course i could be wrong but it seems to me that the only the
00:03:43only explanation
00:03:43that fits all of the context uh you know all of the the analogies that paul is using is that
00:03:50these
00:03:51are the forefathers these are the patriarchs so the root that is holy and the lump of dough that is
00:03:56holy that makes the rest holy are the forefathers and the covenants that god made with them and in
00:04:03this verse he's saying that you know the kindness and the severity of god kindness being his willingness
00:04:09to make covenants his willingness to save people from their sins and forgive them and the severity
00:04:14towards those who refuse who refuse to repent that is and we talked about how
00:04:20this word kindness can have a range of meanings so when it talks about god's kindness to you
00:04:26he's talking about god's willingness to forgive you his willingness to to draw you back to him
00:04:33even though you don't deserve it and in the second part the word his is added by the translators
00:04:39so in my opinion this is actually talking not about god's kindness but about your kindness
00:04:46if you continue in kindness if you continue in kindness to him and in this case the greek word
00:04:52for kindness which is uh christotis it can mean kindness but but it really refers more to a general
00:04:59quality of beneficence so god's christotis is certainly kindness in you know considering his
00:05:06superior position and his his power but our christotis toward him is our faithfulness to him
00:05:13and our usefulness to his kingdom so we are as long as we continue to be uh faithful or beneficial
00:05:22to
00:05:22the kingdom but as soon as we become a cancer to the tree or an infection you know some kind
00:05:28of
00:05:28mold in the dough then we've got to go he can't keep that around or poisons the whole tree or
00:05:35the whole
00:05:35lump of hell depending on which analogy you're going with all right so verse 23 sorry there we go
00:05:44and even they if they do not continue in their unbelief will be grafted in for god has the power
00:05:49to graft them in again for if you were cut off from what is by nature a wild olive tree
00:05:54and grafted
00:05:54contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree how much more will these the natural branches be
00:05:59grafted back into their own olive tree okay i think this this first verse if they do not continue in
00:06:06their unbelief i think that actually kind of reinforces what i was saying about provided you
00:06:13continue in kindness so paul is contrasting these two if you continue in your righteousness or in your
00:06:21faithfulness i don't want to say righteousness because that gives you the gives might give the
00:06:25impression to somebody that i'm talking about a workspace salvation and i'm not the evidence of
00:06:30your faithfulness your commitment to obedience are the things that you do but it's not the things that
00:06:37you do that earn you the place it's your heart condition of faithfulness so provided you continue
00:06:43in that condition of faithfulness you stay on the tree and if they do not continue in their
00:06:50in their unkindness to continue the same analogy but you know paul is using the word um apis a
00:07:00apistia apistia i don't know where the stress goes on greek words uh which is non-faithfulness
00:07:07if they do not continue in their unfaithfulness they will be grafted back in so the contrast seems to
00:07:13be reinforcing the idea that the kindness in the first part is faithfulness and the word in the
00:07:20second part literally is unfaithfulness translated in the esv by unbelief but it's the same same greek
00:07:26word is there a way of translating this without the double negative i'm really getting tripped up on
00:07:31the double negative you mean if they do not continue in their unbelief correct do not continue unbelief
00:07:41if they stop on if they stop their disbelief they will be grafted back in or if they stop
00:07:46their unfaithfulness they will be grafted okay that's that's more clear than me thank you yeah
00:07:52trying to esv is kind of a strange well all translations have their quirks but the esv is
00:07:58strange in that it really tries to be a literal interpretation but every now and then they get
00:08:03all dynamic like translating a word the same word unbelief in one place and unfaithfulness in another
00:08:09place um but then in the first part if they do not continue it's kind of so literal that it's
00:08:15kind
00:08:16of difficult to understand okay what we want to talk about here in verse 23 so nobody is saying oh
00:08:24what okay so if they do not continue in their unbelief so their unfaithfulness what do you think
00:08:32constitutes the unfaithfulness of israel speaking of genetic israel here because that's the whole context
00:08:38the jews versus the gentiles what in your opinion constitutes the unbelief or unfaithfulness of
00:08:44israel a rejection of the covenant which covenant would that be the uh something like month sinai
00:08:52covenant the covenant of noah the relationship that they had at one time which was rejected
00:09:02yeah kind of i mean a valid answer would be all the covenants because all of the covenants are about
00:09:07relationship with god and they are by replacing god's commandments with their own they're really
00:09:14rejecting that relationship and making themselves out to be god sorry if somebody was about to say
00:09:21something exodus 19 exodus 19 that's right before the 10 commandments in yitro oh yeah the people um
00:09:31the covenant unable to hear the voice of god the covenant he made with them and when they said um
00:09:42let not i think then is when they said let not god speak to us let him speak to moses
00:09:51wasn't exodus 19 like a marriage when they took the blood and i think it's yeah it's it's much very
00:10:02much
00:10:03like a marriage that you know the 10 commandments spoken from mount sinai are like a ketubah a marriage
00:10:07contract and you know it's a metaphor of course god isn't literally marrying israel but it is very much
00:10:15like that you know he goes and he takes israel out of egypt sort of giving a bride price and
00:10:22then he
00:10:22takes him out to sinai where he makes this marriage covenant or a ketubah and whether that's the marriage
00:10:30itself there or whether it's a betrothal and a marriage to come later people interpret it differently
00:10:36i don't think it's really that important which one it is but yeah the point is that it is parallel
00:10:41to a marriage same basic idea i have a question sure i have a question and help me understand when
00:10:50when it's saying that and if they do not persist that my this is my translation it's an niv
00:10:56they do not persist in unbelief and when he's talking about they this he means is genetic israel
00:11:04so what what i was going to ask does so even if they then go ahead and believe in the
00:11:13covenants
00:11:13or they continue believing who are they believing are they not are they then not supposed to be
00:11:20believing in yeshua yeah that is a good question because yeshua is the mediator and the high priest of
00:11:28the new covenant right and if they reject yeshua then they are rejecting the new covenant so then
00:11:34my question is do they still get grafted in if they believe but yet do not accept yeshua as
00:11:43as the what you call the high priest or if they don't put their faith like i'm speaking from
00:11:51christianese point of view right if they do not put their faith in messiah are they still then grafted
00:11:58it it's a sticky question oh okay um from in my opinion the christian church has told a lot of
00:12:07lies
00:12:07i mean whether they mean to or not most christians today they're not deliberately lying to people
00:12:12about what yeshua did and taught and believed right but they've inherited lies and they're just repeating
00:12:20the lies so when a jew says he can't believe that jesus is the messiah he's talking about this fake
00:12:28image of him that has been portrayed by the church right and not the actual man yeshua who lived according
00:12:36to god's commandments and taught obedience to them so if they're rejecting that that fake image of jesus
00:12:43and nobody has actually told them who the real man was and what he was like and what he taught
00:12:48have they really rejected him i can't say for sure i suspect that if they believe in the that a
00:12:57mediator
00:12:58of the new covenant is necessary that you know they are sinners and need god's forgiveness and they
00:13:04repent of sin and throw themselves on god's mercy is that believing in the messiah maybe maybe i think
00:13:13maybe it is but i think that well i'm willing to be wrong there and it is important i mean
00:13:19god does want
00:13:21the jews to know who their messiah is and so that is an important mission whether they can be saved
00:13:29without knowing the details or not we still need to tell them yeah and you know why i face this
00:13:35because
00:13:36coming from a hindu background i i had to believe in yeshua to find this way right
00:13:43otherwise i would not have known any of this yeah well it's kind of similar if you think about abraham
00:13:51yeah you know abraham he knew god's commandments he knew god he knew god way better than we do
00:13:58and he probably knew about the concept of a messiah someone who would be perfect and who could die to
00:14:05take away the sins of the lord he probably understood that concept and he had faith in that
00:14:11so he had faith in the messiah even if he didn't live to see that day and he could only
00:14:15look forward to
00:14:16it so if a jew today knows that the messiah is necessary believes in him and has faith in him
00:14:24but just
00:14:25hasn't really heard that he's been here or he's been told about this guy that doesn't match all the
00:14:31right that doesn't have the right criteria then maybe he's in that same boat as abraham looking
00:14:38forward to the messiah when he's actually in the past i don't really know you know it's above my pay
00:14:44grade ultimately right right i get it yeah um but there is going to be a time you know if
00:14:52you look at
00:14:52the life of joseph and joseph is one of the clearest living prophecies of messiah in the old
00:14:59testament and he was disguised as an egyptian when his brothers went there and they were looking
00:15:06for salvation essentially they were going to die without food so they go to egypt and they throw
00:15:12themselves at the mercy of this guy that they think is an egyptian because he's dressed like an
00:15:18egyptian talks like one doesn't speak hebrew and then judah steps forward and offers his own life
00:15:25in exchange for his brothers and then joseph reveals himself and they all recognize who he is
00:15:31despite the egyptian clothes and in speech and i think that eventually the end times is going to
00:15:38see something like this there will come a time when all of the people that we call judas the genetic
00:15:45descendants of jacob who are conscious of being those descendants who reject yeshua now
00:15:52when he comes he will reveal himself and i believe that there will be a massive revival
00:15:58among the jews because they will see him finally interesting yeah well yeah
00:16:06yeah yeah i wonder if a parallel to that would be um promise in that promise had to be shown
00:16:16that yeshua had returned he had to have some physical evidence to accept that fact he had knowledge
00:16:25of income of his uh of of who he was he lived with him and um i believe he had
00:16:32knowledge of the
00:16:33forthcoming death and resurrection but would not a a jew have a standard that they're saying hey if this
00:16:43standard is met i'll believe yeah was there was there a question there no i'm i'm sort of i'm sort
00:16:51of
00:16:51paralleling the thomas scenario to the the jew in in this in this in this case yeah they're looking for
00:16:58all the right prophecies in the things that that the christian church has told them are the things that
00:17:02the anti-messiah is supposed to do not the real messiah right so they're waiting so when he comes
00:17:07back to show him yeah when when he comes back if they say yeah i i see the the the
00:17:15marks on your
00:17:15hands and such i believe you know whatever the mark is that they need for their their standard as to
00:17:22accepting that and you know it's more less oh you were you did come i sorry you know it's something
00:17:28similar to thomas that's how i see it yeah and they really do say a very similar thing in that
00:17:34you
00:17:34know if he's the messiah he's going to have to set up the kingdom and you know establish peace for
00:17:39israel and call all the people back to the land well that's what he's going to do and hopefully it's
00:17:44not too late for them when he does okay yeah i think you know this acceptance or denial of yeshua
00:17:51is
00:17:52really the linchpin of their unbelief as long as they are as long as they are living in denial of
00:18:01this concept and many jews today really do deny the idea that anyone can pay for anyone else's sins
00:18:07you can ask god for forgiveness and if you do enough good deeds or if you worship in the right
00:18:12way or whatever i'm not going to pretend that i understand all jewish theology i don't i don't even
00:18:17understand most christian theology but if you i know that many people say that the jews
00:18:24don't teach a salvation by works and have never really believed that but that's true and not true
00:18:30at the same time because they have a different concept of salvation for one thing they believe
00:18:36in this world to come which is it's what the prophets talked about it's analogous to what we talk
00:18:42about is either the millennial era or eternity you know the new earth and new jerusalem usually they
00:18:48kind of think of it as a combination of both of those things but they do talk about how god
00:18:53is
00:18:53merciful and he wants to forgive you and he has compassion on you but also that your good deeds can
00:18:59atone for sins and even according to some of ancient rabbis the death of a righteous man can
00:19:08atone for the sins of an unrighteous man and that's pretty controversial most jews today would not
00:19:14accept that but as long as they are of the opinion that it is that it is only them who
00:19:23can absolve their
00:19:24own sins you know it's between them and god and they're gonna have to just be good people or
00:19:32you know do enough good works you know try to transform the world through the you know the
00:19:38concept of tikkun olam if you've heard that um making it which is very similar to
00:19:45a lot of preterist beliefs where it's the christians job to remake the world into the god's kingdom
00:19:52many jews believe that it's their job to remake the world to heal everything and as long as they think
00:19:58that they are the ones who have to do that then they're not really recognizing the messiah i don't
00:20:03think you have to get to the point where you recognize that you can't do it it doesn't matter
00:20:07how hard you try how many generations you work at it people will never heal the world only god can
00:20:14do
00:20:14that he only god can heal you so i think that part is necessary what about is ian nine they
00:20:23have
00:20:24the tanah abraham didn't have anything to go by more than than what um yahweh told him and believed and
00:20:35he
00:20:35followed him but there is a tanah and inclusive is isaiah nine that tells us about this son that is
00:20:49supposed
00:20:49to be born and the various description of him he's called wonderful counselor even mighty god everlasting
00:21:00father i mean that's written there so that tells us that he was expected to come unless if they're still
00:21:14waiting as i was made to understand that for his coming this son that is supposed to born
00:21:26and it sure came and he was not recognized even he had to declare on today i think it's described
00:21:39he wanted to follow him that the foxes have whole you know and um the beast they have place to
00:21:49lie down but
00:21:50he doesn't have anywhere to rest his head because um the pharisees and the sadducees that they had all
00:22:00rejected him because he didn't go to the rabbinical schools and they didn't recognize him or they just
00:22:12doubted him because he was not part of the clan yeah and it's hard to read passages like isaiah 9
00:22:20and
00:22:22see how people can miss it that this is talking about the messiah
00:22:26um but somehow they do well what about malachi malachi speak about him too and that john would be
00:22:35his coroner i mean the psalms numerous places in isaiah ah numerous places in isaiah talk about the
00:22:43messiah numerous rabbis will interpret those usually that they are talking about israel and not the messiah
00:22:51a passage like this one in isaiah 9 i don't know how they interpret that one i'd have to research
00:22:56that
00:22:56to find out i don't know how that could be applied to israel and not to the messiah but i
00:23:05don't know
00:23:06yeah and god has the power to graft them in again and we know from numerous prophecies that we've talked
00:23:13about in previous weeks that that is guaranteed that eventually god will draw the genetic
00:23:20descendants of israel back to him they will repent and he will graft them back into that tree
00:23:26doesn't mean every single israelite especially all the ones who have already lived and died i mean
00:23:31once you're dead it's too late but it does mean that there will always be a remnant of israel
00:23:37and many of those at the time that this revival happens whenever that is when it's when messiah returns or
00:23:43whenever there will be a great number of those unbelieving jews who will turn to him and then
00:23:50they will be grafted in and it seems like that time must be must not be too far in the
00:23:56future but i know
00:23:57that every generation says that so i'm not gonna not gonna be date setting what about those that have been
00:24:03scattered in the four corners of the earth yeah that's who we're talking about yeah do you mean the
00:24:10ones who have forgotten that they are israel yeah okay yeah and a large number from the northern
00:24:17kingdom would be counted in there and i know that some people would like to say that those people from
00:24:24the nations who are returning to torah and keeping god's commandments that these are those lost 10 tribes
00:24:33well certainly not genetically because you can have one person from the same you know two people in the
00:24:38same family one of them believes and one doesn't one of them keeps torah and one doesn't well they're
00:24:44genetically related so how can one be genetically israel and the other one not but at least prophetically
00:24:51i think this it does fit the pattern that many of the people who identify as jews today are not
00:24:57genetically descended from jacob or at least they're not from the male line so by god's counting they wouldn't
00:25:03be part of that king part of that nation or that people but they have been adopted into those people
00:25:09and it's the same thing with the other side ifriam the northern kingdom has a whole bunch of natural
00:25:17branches of israel with a whole bunch of other people all mixed in together so both halves of israel
00:25:23are a mixed multitude the jews are natural israel plus a bunch of other people
00:25:29or a whole bunch of other people plus natural israel just they're mostly the ones who forgot that they
00:25:35were israel does that make sense yes okay all right so let's talk about the wild olive tree again here
00:25:44the wild and the cultivated tree and this is kind of the same thing if you are cut from what
00:25:49is by
00:25:49nature a wild olive tree and then grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree well this requires
00:25:55that those who are cut from the wild olive tree are not physical descendants of jacob because if they
00:26:01were they'd be natural branches even if they forgot who they were they'd be natural branches who are cut
00:26:06off and are being grafted back in but in this case coming from a wild olive tree these are romans
00:26:13and greeks
00:26:13and celts and scythians and all of these other people egyptians and syrians and persians you know all of these
00:26:22these people they are mostly wild olive branches with a mixed in bit of natural branches that don't
00:26:30know they're natural so i think even the metaphor itself requires that most of the people coming to
00:26:36faith in messiah are not the northern kingdom even though when when in those end times when god calls
00:26:43all of his people out of the world and back to the land all most of those people i believe
00:26:48will be
00:26:48associated with the frion but in the meantime they are former gentiles whatever you want to call them
00:26:56and i think it's usually misguided to try to identify yourself with one tribe or another
00:27:02not denying that god can't say you know can't tell somebody you're part of the tribe of issachar or
00:27:10vanessa or whatever i just think that most people just want to associate themselves with a tribe and
00:27:18they should just avoid that unless they've got you know some definitive word from god on it but question
00:27:26when assyria took the northern kingdom and
00:27:32and send their people over there they had a remnant there right they had a remnant that that remained
00:27:41there did they take everyone or there was a remnant that remained they took most people but there was a
00:27:48remnant who stayed now my question is wouldn't that the remnant there's a possibility that they
00:28:01were intermarriages with the experience that went there yeah definitely okay so when you sure met this woman
00:28:14at the at cycle well and um she was speaking about the well being dug by our father jacob and
00:28:27his animal
00:28:30and those that are related to him they all drank from the well do you think it was a natural
00:28:38heritage or
00:28:41she because after the wild animals were moving in they were killing all their their livestock and everything
00:28:55and these people cried out that they were not serving god and they it's an accurate it was it said
00:29:06brenny said they're going to send back
00:29:10priests to teach them the way of yahweh right so that these wild animals or lions or whatever will stop
00:29:23right right now i just lost my train of thought yeah when you're asking about the samaritan woman
00:29:31and yeah was it you think she was a natural she was naturally from the line of jacob or because
00:29:42they believed uh they were um grafted in or she was a natural from the lineage of jacob naturally
00:30:01well i think it's possible you know the the samaritans were a mix they were a mix of native israelites
00:30:08who
00:30:08stayed and then other peoples that the syrians brought in you know just as a historical aside
00:30:15the russian empire did this same kind of thing that you know they conquered this vast territory
00:30:20and then they would scramble the people around there was actually a a jewish what you might call a
00:30:27state way out on the far side far east siberia it was like called the national jewish okrug or something
00:30:34like that the soviets took all of these or i can't i don't remember if it was the soviets or
00:30:40the czars
00:30:40but they took all of these jewish people shipped them all out to siberia and formed this little
00:30:46self-governing state out there and then they took people from all over the rest of the russian empire
00:30:52and relocated them in different places just to to weaken the the ties that they had with the land and
00:30:58with their own ethnic identity and this is what the assyrians were doing when they took all of the
00:31:04israelites out of the land of israel and scattered them all over the empire they were doing it to make
00:31:09them into assyrians or you know at least to undermine their loyalty to their former kingdom
00:31:16in their former ethnic group and they brought a bunch of other people into israel for the same
00:31:22reason and these people settled and they intermarried with the israelite remnant who had stayed there
00:31:28and yeah the whole story about they were having wild animal attacks and thought they just weren't
00:31:32worshiping the local god right but these priests who came back weren't teaching them correctly because
00:31:38they didn't teach them to go to jerusalem they stuck with the the religion of jeroboam
00:31:45and you know they they continued worshiping at their temple in the north instead of going to
00:31:51the temple in jerusalem that god had designated but by the time of yeshua you know these people had lived
00:31:57here for six seven hundred years and so they were well established and they thought they were the chosen
00:32:06people of god and they thought they were doing the right thing and then yeshua comes and he says he
00:32:13tells his disciples i came only for the lost sheep of the house of israel and he told them don't
00:32:20go to the
00:32:21towns of the samaritans go only to the towns of the jews but then he himself went to the town
00:32:26of the samaritans
00:32:27and preached the gospel there after he met that samaritan woman and she went back and you know told
00:32:33everybody and everybody believed and she invited him to stay and he went and he stayed there for three days
00:32:40so were these people was this town of samaritans actually physically descended from jacob
00:32:48maybe i mean that would that would fit with his uh with his telling his disciples don't go to the
00:32:53towns of the samaritans and he's there for the lost sheep of the house of israel if these are the
00:32:58sheep of the house of israel and not actually foreigners then that would explain it but we do i mean
00:33:04there's no way to really know that's just speculation does that make sense does he not use the parallel uh
00:33:12the um the story of the uh the dogs the scraps for the dogs i can't remember was that the
00:33:21same one
00:33:22no that's a sorrow the syrophoenician woman at our our daughter that's not this one okay
00:33:30it's a syrophoenician woman who wanted her daughter to be healed and yeshu is not meant to
00:33:37take the children's bread and feed it to dogs yeah matthew says that that was a canaanite woman
00:33:44well that's the esv translation it that could be syrophoenician in the greek i don't know if that
00:33:50were to be have been used it would be consistent with her being the equivalent of a dog receiving the
00:33:56scraps of uh that were intended for israel yeah and that's the scene where he said i came only for
00:34:02the lost sheep of the house of israel but if it's a different woman if that's if that uh was
00:34:09not used
00:34:11the moot point yeah it literally calls her a canaanite cananios in greek okay
00:34:19i can't remember if we talked about this before but uh a arborist doesn't usually graft wild branches
00:34:29into a cultivated tree he does it the other way around it takes a wild root because it's hardy and
00:34:36it's made for that climate and that soil and he grafts a cultivated branch into it so that he can
00:34:43have
00:34:43the strength of the wild roots but the fruit and you know production of the cultivated branch
00:34:50god is working the other way around because it's the root of the patriarchs that gives this tree its
00:34:57strength and not it's you know like those uh samaritans the people that the assyrians brought in
00:35:05you know they thought that you know we're we're having a hard time adjusting to this place
00:35:10so let's worship the god of this place and that's going to give us strength but it wasn't
00:35:16it wasn't that god was tied to that land he didn't have more power there than some other god god
00:35:21has
00:35:21more power than every other god everywhere the strength of israel comes from the covenant between
00:35:27the patriarchs and not necessarily the land i just thought that was worth mentioning that god is
00:35:34that you know some people will point to this as you know paul didn't know what he was talking
00:35:38about this was a terrible analogy but that's because they don't understand the analogy it's the root of
00:35:44the patriarchs is vital in this whole thing so he can't be grafting the israelites into a wild root he
00:35:53has to graft the wild branches into the root of the patriarchs whereas humans they will graft in
00:36:03the um the original branch they will graft in the wild branch to the original tree right but yahweh he
00:36:13does it both ways yeah well he'll he'll graft the uh the natural branches into the natural tree after
00:36:19they've been cut off and the wild branches into the natural tree right so god doesn't graft anything into the
00:36:26wild tree the wild i mean the christian church looks at there are most christians their idea of
00:36:33theology is well i can't even say most christians maybe say dispensational as christians they have
00:36:39this view that there are two separate trees there's the tree of the church and there's the tree of israel
00:36:44and the two never mix but this is completely contrary to everything in scripture
00:36:51we are grafted into the same tree of israel and if we're not grafted into that tree then we don't
00:36:56have a part in those covenants because the old covenant was made with the patriarchs of israel
00:37:00the new covenant is made with the houses of israel and judah so you can't be part of some other
00:37:07tree
00:37:07and still take part in those covenants if you want to be part of the new covenant you have to
00:37:12be
00:37:12grafted into the tree of israel and paul in ephesians 2 talks about how
00:37:18how we are former gentiles and we used to be far off in other words separated but now we've been
00:37:24brought near we have been joined with israel made part made citizens of the commonwealth of israel
00:37:31even revelation it tells us that we gotta be we have to be part of one of those tribes
00:37:42yeah there are only there are only 12 gates and 12 foundation stones there's no gate for the church
00:37:48that alone tell the christians that we have to be part of israel okay uh verses 25 to 27
00:37:58lest you be wise in your own sight i do not want you to be unaware of this mystery brothers
00:38:02a partial
00:38:03hardening has come upon israel until the fullness of the gentiles has come in and in this way all israel
00:38:09will be saved as it is written the deliverer will come from zion he shall he will banish ungodliness
00:38:15from jacob and this will be my covenant with them when i take away their sins i've got a couple
00:38:20of
00:38:21quotes one from one from jeremiah and see in verse 20 yeah verse 26 is i think from isaiah 59
00:38:33and
00:38:35verse 27 is from jeremiah 31 there's also a little bit of confusion in this verse let me go let
00:38:42me find
00:38:42pull it up in my bible here sorry i went off to matthew so in uh verse 25 in some
00:38:51translations it says
00:38:53that a blindness in part has happened to israel the greek word is actually talking about a callous
00:38:58parosis and you know blindness gets the meaning across so it's not it's not wrong conceptually
00:39:05it's just not literally correct but i think there is something else that can be learned from
00:39:12the idea of the callous and the hardening and we tend some people will will teach this as if
00:39:20as if israel had no choice in this that god blinded them so that they would not believe so that
00:39:26they'd
00:39:27crucify the messiah and then we could bring the gospel to the to the nations and create this new
00:39:33thing called the church well a callous comes about because of a long process of irritation
00:39:42you don't just get a callous immediately for no reason you get it because something was was going
00:39:48wrong you know you're rubbing your skin on the wrong thing you know your shoes don't right and
00:39:54israel had decided you know we talked before about the uh how god had blinded their prophets
00:40:01and their seers so that they would believe a lie well the thing is that these prophets and seers when
00:40:06we go back to the original prophecy that this comes from they were already teaching bad things they had
00:40:12decided that they wanted to teach lies and so god gave them more of what they wanted and this is
00:40:19the same
00:40:19thing here that this partial hardening that came upon israel it wasn't that god just imposed this
00:40:25on them out of nowhere they were hardening themselves and god said okay that's the way you
00:40:31want to play it i'll give you more of that same thing he did with pharaoh and then it says
00:40:36that it's a
00:40:37partial hardening what there are a couple of things that i've heard that this means partial hardening
00:40:43could mean that only part of israel was hardened or blinded or it could mean that it was temporary
00:40:49or it could mean that they were blinded or hardened about some things and not about other things
00:40:56i'd like to know if any of you have an opinion on that what do you think it means i
00:41:01i um let's say
00:41:03look with pharaoh pharaoh's heart to do what he wanted to do so when this when the scripture says
00:41:16that yahweh hardened pharaoh's heart that to me that's a partial hardening because pharaoh's heart was
00:41:25already set on accomplishing the desires of his you know his desire right so consider something like
00:41:36that as a partial hardening your heart makes sense doing your your your the desire of your flesh
00:41:49so yahweh just finished it off that's all to me that that's a partial hardening am i right or wrong
00:41:59well i think that makes sense and i think that's part of it anybody else want to add anything okay
00:42:05well
00:42:05honestly i think it's all of the above i think that all of these things are true we know that
00:42:12we know
00:42:14that it's partial in the sense that they were already blinded or hardened somewhat on their own
00:42:18just like june was saying so god didn't do it didn't completely blind them because they were already
00:42:24half blinded it's also that he didn't blind all of israel because we know that paul is an israelite
00:42:32he calls himself a jew from the tribe of benjamin and you know all of the disciples were jews
00:42:40and what is it in acts six or seven somewhere in there it talks about how thousands of the
00:42:47priests came to know yeshua came to be obedient to the faith so we know that all of israel was
00:42:53not
00:42:53blinded so the partial means part of israel and not the whole thing and then there's also a time
00:42:59factor because all it says right here until the fullness of the gentiles has come in
00:43:04so this partial blindness or hardness you might call it thick-headedness this is time bound it's
00:43:11partial for this era because there will come a time when god opens their eyes and encourages them
00:43:18to see again and we know all along there are believing jews there has never been a time where
00:43:24there were no jews who believed in yeshua at least since the time of yeshua so it's never been all
00:43:31jews
00:43:32it's never been completely blind and it's never been forever and so partial means all three yes
00:43:41and the next phrase until the fullness of the gentiles comes in this is another one that people
00:43:46like to argue about anybody have any thoughts on what this phrase means okay i do not have any thoughts
00:43:52i'm just listening okay i'm taking in so much i have so many questions but i do not have any
00:43:59thoughts
00:43:59about the fullness of the gentiles because i am okay i'm so new to this it's like like drinking out
00:44:08of
00:44:08a what do you say in american fire hose oh fire so yeah i understand feel free to ask questions
00:44:16though
00:44:17fullness of the gentiles i mean sometimes i'm like okay so then what what have i what has the church
00:44:25taught me because i had i did not know any of this until i started keeping the shabbat and trying
00:44:32to
00:44:32you know do the feasts and everything so then i sometimes wonder is my salvation like i did i do
00:44:38believe in yeshua but then like you said earlier like the christian church has almost created this counter
00:44:46personality you know yeah they've got a separate tree a separate messiah and it doesn't mean that
00:44:53they're actually following a different messiah it just means that they have wrong beliefs about who he
00:44:59is it's like they've created this image of who he is of what he's not really yeah but then you
00:45:07know when
00:45:07a person comes completely from outside the faith like when you say okay i believe in yeshua i really
00:45:14believe in him i don't believe in the image that has been yeah put up yeah does that even make
00:45:21sense
00:45:22oh yeah that makes sense i mean i grew up in a christian church my parents were in ministry i
00:45:28went to a
00:45:28christian school and so there's a lot of things that i just assumed about yeshua that aren't even in
00:45:37scripture because it's just stuff i heard and thought was true yeah like even i've only recently
00:45:43like the last three years that i've said this whole phraseology once saved always saved does not make
00:45:50sense to me anymore no it doesn't really fit this what paul is describing what what we are what i'm
00:45:57learning in even in the in the in the in the torah and because i don't see that i don't
00:46:04see thankfully
00:46:04i don't see it as two separate books anymore yeah that's good i see this one as one you cannot
00:46:11have
00:46:11one without the other it's like you cannot prove the existence of the new without the old and i really
00:46:18don't like to call it old and new it's just one word of god one covenant right i mean yeah
00:46:25so there's a
00:46:26lot for me right now yeah but i don't know what it means fullness of gentiles does it mean gentiles
00:46:34from all over the world that they start believing in yeshua and start keeping torah and keeping the
00:46:40feasts and eventually you know coming out of the world system i guess from all all corners because it
00:46:48says that nations will be coming right so i guess that's my little imagination i don't know jake
00:46:58yeah well but when when when yeshua after he died and um when he he came to his disciples
00:47:12and he tell them go and teach all nations all is all but they still kept to themselves
00:47:22and they were not going out there and teach all nations and paul was chosen to go out and teach
00:47:32the
00:47:33gentiles so it had to have a plan behind all of this go out and teach the nations and
00:47:44once those that receive the word believe and accept yeshua it come into a relationship with the father
00:47:54because as the scripture says you can't come to the father unless you go to the son and you can't
00:48:00come to the son unless the father bring you in so i believe the plan for the father through the
00:48:10son
00:48:11and the holy spirit to go out there and minister to the gentiles once that plan has been
00:48:20the purpose of that plan has been accomplished then i believe that will be the fullness
00:48:28yes right yeah yeah i agree with that yes and once that has been achieved then yeah we will proceed
00:48:38to
00:48:39bring in the the the the true olive tree back into its original position yeah if you look back there's
00:48:52a
00:48:52a similar phrase that yeshua uses in luke 21 24 he's talking about um this is another end times prophecy
00:49:02you
00:49:02know he's talking about the end in this these terrible things that are going to happen in israel
00:49:07and a lot of people believe that that this passage in luke 21 just like in matthew 24 was fulfilled
00:49:15in
00:49:15ad 70 70. so when general titus destroyed the city of of jerusalem and destroyed the temple
00:49:23they believed that this fulfilled that prophecy i don't think that that's correct i think it is a
00:49:30partial fulfillment you know it's kind of a uh one of the ripples of the prophecy because prophecy happens
00:49:36in cycles and there are like birth pangs there are it comes uh in waves until finally there's an ultimate
00:49:45fulfillment and i think there's a much greater fulfillment of these end times prophecies yet to
00:49:50come so in this passage yeshua says woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies
00:49:57in those days for there will be great distress upon the land and wrath to this people and they will
00:50:02fall
00:50:02by the edge of the sword and will be led captive into all the nations and jerusalem will be trampled
00:50:07underfoot by the gentiles until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled so until the times of the
00:50:15gentiles are fulfilled seems very similar to what paul says in romans 11 25 until the fullness of the
00:50:23nations or the gentiles has come in so but then the question is what is the fullness of the nations
00:50:29or
00:50:30the fullness of the gentiles and i think you're right it's not necessarily that the gospel has been
00:50:37taken out to every possible people in the world but it's certainly close to that you know the gospel
00:50:45already has been taken to pretty much every people on the planet they don't have it in full the bible
00:50:50hasn't been translated into every language and there are a few isolated tribes here and there who haven't
00:50:55heard it but for the most part the gospel has been taken to every nation but i think what it's
00:51:01really
00:51:02talking about is when god has harvested as many people from the nations as he needs for his plan
00:51:09then then he's going to reverse these fortunes and then he's going to reveal himself to the native
00:51:16branches and there will be that great revival among the jews and whether that's after yeshua comes or
00:51:23right before or you know i don't i don't really know the timing i don't understand that but i think
00:51:29that's what the fullness of the gentiles has come in is talking about when god has brought enough of the
00:51:35nations into his people to fulfill his purposes then he's going to change things around and then
00:51:42all israel will be saved as it says at the beginning of the next of the next verse in verse
00:51:4726
00:51:48and you know even it goes on in this quote from uh i think it's from isaiah the deliverer will
00:51:54come
00:51:54from zion and he will banish ungodliness from jacob well that certainly did not happen in ad 70
00:52:02god did not banish ungodliness from jacob and in fact he still hasn't done it today i mean people look
00:52:08at
00:52:08the return of the jews to israel in the re-establishment of the jewish state there
00:52:14maybe that's the beginning of the fulfillment of prophecy but it's certainly not the fulfillment
00:52:19of these prophecies about god restoring israel to the land that establishing a lasting peace
00:52:27and restoring them to righteousness because that hasn't happened they have been under constant war
00:52:32ever since 1948 they are some of the most ungodly people on the planet
00:52:39so i'm it's a little challenging to try to believe that this is the fulfillment of these prophecies
00:52:46of the restoration of israel maybe it's the first step if you think about that prophecy in luke 21 and
00:52:54matthew 24 the armies can't come against israel and jerusalem if there is no israel in jerusalem
00:53:02so it's possible that the jews returning to israel is just setting the stage for this this final
00:53:09fulfillment of those prophecies and that's a much darker view of the fulfillment of you know of the
00:53:17end times but i think it fits scripture better the future will will tell i think but we do have
00:53:24this
00:53:24assurance that in the end all israel will be saved it doesn't mean every single israelite like i said
00:53:31before it means the tree of israel will be saved god will not allow it to die away there will
00:53:37always be a remnant and he will he will make it thrive again through the grafting in of of those
00:53:44wild
00:53:44branches and the restoration of the natural branches it's going to be a thriving tree but that
00:53:51hasn't happened yet it is yet to happen so when you when it says that is that all israel will
00:53:58be
00:53:58saved it would be like you said it would be both the natural and the wild branches which would which
00:54:05would mean the true the gentiles as well would be part of that israel right yeah it's kind of like
00:54:12if
00:54:12if you have a fruit tree like a real olive tree and it's got some bad branches if you've got
00:54:18diseased
00:54:18branches or branches that have you know a fungus or a some kind of pest on it right a boar
00:54:27a beetle or something that's eating it well if you want to save the tree you have to cut those
00:54:31branches
00:54:32off and then maybe there's some other branches that you can graft in but by cutting off some branches
00:54:39and grafting in others you are saving the tree and that's what paul is saying here he's not saying that
00:54:44every branch will be saved he's saying the whole tree of israel will be saved and yeah it does include
00:54:51both the native and the wild branches as part of israel whatever's abiding yeah paula says what
00:54:58whatever is is abiding in faithfulness yes okay and i mentioned that at first quote the deliverer will
00:55:07come from zion he will banish ungodliness from jacob that's from isaiah 59 let me pull that up verse
00:55:16okay bringing this over onto the screen the redeemer will come to zion and to those who
00:55:22turn from transgression in jacob declares yahweh now this is the nasb and it's translated from the hebrew
00:55:28so it reads a little bit differently than uh than what romans does and paul is quoting from the
00:55:35septuagint in romans and he says a redeemer will come from zion whereas the hebrew says a redeemer will
00:55:43come to zion and he says that he will banish transgression from jacob and this says to those
00:55:51who turn from transgression in jacob the meaning is essentially the same but the specific words are
00:55:58different and the one that is most different is a redeemer will come to zion versus a redeemer
00:56:03will come from zion but there's a good reason for that difference and i mean refer back to my notes
00:56:12again here so i get this right so the septuagint matches paul's wording but the hebrew is ambiguous
00:56:20there's a love prefix on the uh word zion and it can mean either from or to depending on context
00:56:30and
00:56:30you know i got this from tim haig so he knows hebrew a whole lot better than i do i
00:56:35can barely pronounce it
00:56:36he says that both could be correct and because the redeemer can't come from zion until he comes first
00:56:42to zion then from zion is either the intended meaning originally or paul is just extrapolating from
00:56:50it he doesn't say that he's quoting from isaiah so he could just be paraphrasing isaiah and adding
00:56:55his own spin on it and but either one is still accurate the deliverer comes to zion and he comes
00:57:02from
00:57:02zion he banishes ungodliness from jacob because he takes those who are godly and restores them to
00:57:10jacob and cuts off the ungodliness so either way it means the same thing in the second quote in verse
00:57:1727 is from jeremiah 31 pull that one up jeremiah 31 33 it says but this is the covenant which
00:57:28i will
00:57:28make with the house of israel after those days declares yahweh i will put my law within them
00:57:33and on their heart i will write it and i will be their god and they shall be my people
00:57:37they will
00:57:38not teach again each man his neighbor and each man his brother saying no yahweh for they all know me
00:57:44from the least of them to the greatest of them declares yahweh for i will forgive their iniquity and
00:57:49their sin i will remember no more bring this over so you can see it if you want to and
00:57:55i think it's
00:57:55important that as part of this new covenant god said that he's going to put his law within
00:58:01them and write it on their hearts and he also says that i will forgive their sins and remember them
00:58:07no
00:58:08more and most of the church really loves this last part but kind of ignores the first part sin is
00:58:16the
00:58:16violation of god's commands it's the violation of his law that is the definition of sin and so when god
00:58:23forgives your sins some christians will teach that you know this frees you from the concept
00:58:30of sin frees you from the law itself so now you don't have to keep the law because you've been
00:58:36forgiven and yeshua kept the law for you so you don't have to do it anymore but that's not what
00:58:42god
00:58:42is saying here in fact it's the opposite he's forgiven your past sins he's forgiven your sinful nature
00:58:49essentially and he is writing his law on our hearts so that we will be able to obey our
00:58:58forgiveness is part of the process of transforming us into the image of his son who has lived in perfect
00:59:04obedience so you can't have the new covenant without obedience to god's law and there's only
00:59:11one god's law it's scripture there's no separate law of christ and law of the father they're one in
00:59:18the same yeshua and the father are one and yeshua only speaks what the father gave him to speak
00:59:25so the law of christ is the law of god which is the law of moses that all makes sense
00:59:31will this be after the two sticks are joined together well i think the new covenant is kind
00:59:38of an already not yet thing the new covenant is already paid for it's already in the process of
00:59:45being established but it's not yet complete because we're still in this place where we have to teach
00:59:51each other about god and we're still struggling with sin
00:59:56i have to pause here and make a correction i've learned a lot about covenants since i recorded
01:00:02this video in july of 2024 and i no longer agree with what i just said the confusion comes from
01:00:09two
01:00:09things first conflating the covenant with one of the promises of the covenant and second a mistranslation
01:00:15in hebrews 9. in jeremiah 31 34 god says that in the new covenant no longer shall each one teach
01:00:23his neighbor and each one his brother saying no yahweh for they shall all know me from the
01:00:28least of them to the greatest i used to believe that this means the new covenant couldn't be in
01:00:33full effect yet because we are all still having to teach each other about god's character all of
01:00:39god's covenants include promises but nobody thinks that the abrahamic covenant was in full force from
01:00:44the moment god went between the pieces of the sacrifice even though the promises of the covenant
01:00:49hadn't come to pass yet so we shouldn't think that the new covenant behaves any differently
01:00:56this becomes clearer when hebrews 9 is translated according to the natural sense of the text instead
01:01:02of in accordance with the translator's notions of what it's supposed to say
01:01:06in verses 15 to 20 of that chapter the greek word diatiki is variously translated as testament covenant
01:01:14and will when the entire passage is only talking about covenants it's not talking about last wills
01:01:20and testaments it's all very confusing but if diatiki is translated consistently as covenant it makes
01:01:27perfect sense therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant so that those who are called may receive
01:01:33the promised eternal inheritance since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions
01:01:38committed under the first covenant for concerning a covenant there must be the death of a covenant
01:01:43victim for if a covenant is made effective on the corpses since it is not in force so long as
01:01:49the
01:01:49covenant victim lives therefore not even the first was inaugurated without blood but when every commandment
01:01:56of the law had been declared by moses to all the people he took the blood of the calves and
01:02:00goats with
01:02:01water and scarlet wool and hyssop and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people saying
01:02:07this is the blood of the covenant that god commanded for you
01:02:11this has nothing to do with a last will and everything to do with a covenantal sacrifice
01:02:17all true covenants are sealed by the blood of a sacrificial victim not by the blood of one of the
01:02:22parties to the covenant therefore the new covenant was fully enforced from the moment that yeshua
01:02:28gave up his spirit on the cross it is only the promises of the new covenant that are already and
01:02:34not yet
01:02:37but you know paul said a couple of chapters earlier that we are predestined to become the image of his
01:02:44son and this means that god has a plan and he will transform us into that image given enough time
01:02:50but
01:02:51it's a path it's a journey you know that word predestined means that a destined destination
01:02:56has been mapped out that means you've got to go from here to there it's not an instantaneous thing
01:03:02our forgiveness is instantaneous now we have a journey of sanctification of becoming more like
01:03:08yeshua and it will take all of our lives and you know after the resurrection will be perfected and
01:03:14then it will be complete but until then it's still in the process it's becoming greater
01:03:21in the book of hebrews the writer talks about how the old covenant is getting ready to vanish away
01:03:28because the new covenant is growing bigger and greater all the time and that's still that's going
01:03:35to be true as long as this heaven and earth exists the old covenant will continue to become dimmer in
01:03:42comparison to the new covenant as the new covenant grows as we become more like yeshua the old covenant
01:03:49will become smaller and smaller in our eyes not because god's law is going away or not because the
01:03:54the covenant is being thrown out but because the new covenant is becoming more and more established
01:04:02in our hearts and it just becomes bigger and more important it becomes the focus of everything
01:04:08so when will these two stakes be joined judah and ephraim according to um ezekiel 37 i think we're in
01:04:18we're in the process of it now you know as more people are coming to faith and coming to obedience
01:04:25that that is drawing these sticks together but the final joining is not going to happen until
01:04:30yeshua returns okay when he returns he will finally join them together bring everybody back to the land
01:04:37that there's i still have some questions about how much of those prophecies is
01:04:43literal and how much is metaphor but i lean towards the idea that that we are really going
01:04:49back to the land of israel and we are going to be given an inheritance in the land and that's
01:04:56the final
01:04:56stage of the unification of those two sticks okay all right any other thoughts on these verses well we went
01:05:06to
01:05:06isaiah 59 and now jeremiah 31 33 right okay gonna put this law in israel's
01:05:19hearts and write it in their heart yep yeah and that is in progress you know it's just a
01:05:27it's a book that takes a long time to write all right let's go on to
01:05:31verses 28 and 29 as regards the gospel they are enemies for your sake but as regards election they are
01:05:39beloved for the sake of their forefathers and for the gifts and the calling of god are irrevocable
01:05:45all right all right so as regards the gospel they are enemies for your sake anybody have an opinion on
01:05:52what that means so is this talking about the israelites as regards to the gospel that they
01:05:59are enemies for the sake of the gentiles but as regards to their election they are beloved for the sake
01:06:06of
01:06:06like their forefathers which is the patriarchs right because and then the verse next is for the gifts and
01:06:15the calling of god are irrevocable yeah and what it means to be enemies for your sake they are enemies
01:06:23to the gospel for your sake and this is going back to what paul was talking about earlier about how
01:06:30he
01:06:30really wants to bring the gospel to the jews he wants to he wants to go to those people and
01:06:34talk to
01:06:35them but they rejected him they wouldn't hear the gospel so he's forced to take it out to the gentiles
01:06:43because sorry so because they were enemies of the gospel this has enabled the gospel to go out to
01:06:52the gentiles you know paul was forced to bring it to the nations because the jews wouldn't hear it
01:06:58isn't there somewhere in the scripture where he says that the jews will be made jealous because
01:07:05the gospel is going out to the gentiles is it in romans or is it in yeah it's in it's
01:07:10in it's in this
01:07:11chapter it's in this chapter same chapter so does that where they said they're enemies for your sake
01:07:20a similar thought yeah yeah it's talking about the same thing and you know it's saying that
01:07:26the jews you know god encouraged the jews in their rejection you know they rejected the messiah they
01:07:33rejected god's law and because they did that god had a bigger plan to bring his his gospel his kingdom
01:07:40out to all the nations so he encouraged them in their disobedience he blinded them further
01:07:47and this allowed paul or actually forced paul to go to the gentiles so the jews being enemies to the
01:07:54to the gospel was for the benefit of the gentiles but now it's going to be reversed and as the
01:08:02gentiles
01:08:02become obedient to the faith and they start living according to the way that god intended israel to
01:08:09live the native israel then the jews should see that and say why are these people taking what's
01:08:17supposed to be ours why are they living according to the rules that we're supposed to follow and they're
01:08:22getting all the blessings for it and then they will want to follow yeshua also that's the plan anyways
01:08:29but that plan requires that we actually do what yeshua told us to do that we try to be we
01:08:36try to live as
01:08:37he did not in you know not embracing pagan holidays and rejecting his commandments and also not in
01:08:47lording it over other people and saying we're better than you because we're more obedient we
01:08:53believe the messiah and you don't the idea is to love people as he loved them love god through obedience
01:09:00love our neighbor through obedience and service and through that help the jews see this is how god wanted
01:09:09you to live in the first place and you know hopefully by that to win them over too so i
01:09:16was thinking what
01:09:17you were just talking about the whole idea that this was the plan from the beginning that the father
01:09:24would he would uh send yeshua for the lost sheep of israel then send paul and then they would reject
01:09:32him
01:09:33and then because of that rejection is why gentiles get to get to be grafted in have the opportunity
01:09:40and you know if you think about the whole from the beginning of of creation how the rejection of god's
01:09:49authority happened there and his god's heart is for all people to you know to be restored it just it
01:09:58makes so much sense that in a lot of ways it seems like the one of the loving things that
01:10:04we can do for
01:10:04people is help them understand that it is because of the jews rejection that we have this opportunity
01:10:13and that could be a real a really awesome avenue to help them understand that like that whole idea of
01:10:21being grafted in and the whole idea of like we wouldn't even have christianity if it wasn't for the
01:10:28fact that they rejected it and that was part of the plan that god actually like knew that that was
01:10:35going to happen right and it just i think it's powerful to consider that where we have pride and
01:10:44paul's talking about this but where a lot of christians have pride that they've seen the messiah
01:10:50they know the messiah and the jews rejected him you know that sort of attitude
01:10:56when you start to really look at it from a loving attitude it's it's like wow because they did this
01:11:02thing that's how we had the opportunity to even know him like what a gift at their expense
01:11:12that's you know it's it's harsh but it's true and then why wouldn't we then want them to have the
01:11:18same gift in return yeah that's good and we do want them or we should want them to have that
01:11:26gift
01:11:26right and i don't think we can never say that god is preventing israel from belief he is allowing those
01:11:35people who have decided to reject him to continue in that and to strengthen them in that but he is
01:11:43willing for anybody who repents to come back uh he wants everybody to repent absolutely um obviously
01:11:51everybody's not going to repent but you know that is what he said he wanted so every jew out there
01:11:58is
01:11:58has the opportunity to repent and come to messiah it's not like god has condemned them all simply
01:12:05because they are jews but he has taken those who have decided not to believe and strengthen that
01:12:13disbelief in order to further the his long-term goals of the kingdom and part of that long-term goal
01:12:22involves revealing himself to the jews and so that they will repent and come back to him
01:12:27and you know as paul says right at the end of this for the gifts and calling of god are
01:12:31irrevocable
01:12:33and it's not you know god made promises to abraham and isaac and jacob and even to some of the
01:12:39other
01:12:39patriarchs jacob's sons and some of aaron's sons like um uh penkos and sadok and david and he promised
01:12:52them that they would that he would have a covenant with them forever and so even though the jews are
01:13:00not all jews obviously but even though most jews are in a state of apostasy where they are not believing
01:13:06that doesn't make them not part of israel not part of god's covenant people it means they don't have
01:13:12eternal salvation until they repent but they are still part of israel and because as paul says here the
01:13:21gifts and calling of god are irrevocable and those gifts were given to the patriarchs and so
01:13:28they are beloved and still counted as god's favorite people because of those promises and that relationship
01:13:37god doesn't throw away those relationships especially when it's not based on anybody's merit
01:13:43that's a really good point yeah and what is interesting is that it works both ways both for
01:13:50the jew and the gentile where he is he is so in power he does not really see he finally
01:13:59looks at our
01:14:00hearts and how we've repented and turned away from the old way of living and whether you're a jew or
01:14:09gentile he is eventually going to see that right and that you're following what he has said and what
01:14:15has been written because i mean it's easy as a nominal christian to say oh i don't have to keep
01:14:22do this or do that because the messiah paid the price and i'm free to do whatever i want and
01:14:29live
01:14:30the way i want but that's not what yeshua said yeshua said if you love me obey my commandments
01:14:35so that's the proof of the love that we have for him yeah and john says later that you know
01:14:42that you
01:14:43love god if you keep his commandments and love each other that's how we know and if you're not doing
01:14:49that then how can you say that you love god right then it's just lip service yeah regarding this you
01:14:58know as regards election they are beloved for the sake of their of the patriarchs or their forefathers
01:15:03you know there's this what they call replacement theology that the christian church has replaced
01:15:09israel or has become the new israel and the genetic descendants of jacob are permanently cut off
01:15:16unless they become christians and you know then they could be part of the christian church
01:15:20and one of the places that people will go to is in says jeremiah might have the wrong reference
01:15:28here i wrote it down i'm trying to find it in my notes that's verse 28 29 oh yeah jeremiah
01:15:373 8 okay
01:15:39this is god is talking about judah well he's talking about israel in the context of his relationship
01:15:46with judah you know the nation has been divided into two kingdoms northern kingdom is usually called israel
01:15:52or ephraim in the southern kingdom is called judah but they are all israel in the sense they are all
01:15:59descended from israel so he says talking about judah she saw that for all the adulteries of that
01:16:07faithless one israel i had sent her away with a decree of divorce so there's this idea that god divorced
01:16:14israel but kept judah the problem is the problem with this idea is that both judah and ephraim the
01:16:22northern kingdom were present at mount sinai as a single people god made this betrothal contract
01:16:29with one people not two israel and judah are one nation they were divided under two kings but they are
01:16:37still one people in god's eyes and prophetically he talks about them in two halves
01:16:42uh you know the two sticks that june mentioned but and in that same prophecy in ezekiel that june
01:16:49mentioned god's plan is that both sticks will be reunited into one stick and no husband in the
01:16:56history of the universe has ever divorced half of his wife you can't do that you either divorce your
01:17:04wife or you don't divorce your wife you can't divorce half of her so this this idea that god divorced
01:17:10israel and not judah is a metaphor it is not literal god did not literally divorce israel
01:17:17he exiled the northern kingdom of israel from the land of israel and he's using marriage and divorce
01:17:24as a metaphor of what happened he didn't actually give her a certificate of divorce
01:17:30and you know this also has implications for you know some some of the ways that people talk about
01:17:35salvation and why yeshua had to die i think that's a off base because he didn't have to die
01:17:41in order to remarry his divorced wife because she was never divorced in that way she was temporarily
01:17:49put away in the same way that abraham allowed sarah to be taken into pharaoh's house
01:17:55he also exiled judah yeah he exiled judah eventually and but in judah's case he never
01:18:02said that he divorced judah he uses different terms and there's no certificate of divorce there
01:18:08he certainly exiled her from from the land but it was never it was never a total divorce
01:18:16in in in neither case did these people go and make a covenant with some other god you know that
01:18:21law in deuteronomy that that talks about how a man who divorces his wife and then she goes and marries
01:18:26someone else and so now he can't remarry her that doesn't even come into play here because israel and
01:18:33judah did not make a covenant with some other god so there was no remarriage and yeshua didn't have
01:18:40to die in order to remarry his divorced spouse but that i mean that's a side topic that's not
01:18:46really what i was going to i was going to the replacement theology idea and the idea that god
01:18:51divorced israel permanently and that's why the church comes in and replaces her and it's just
01:18:57not true divorce was a metaphor here and not literal and total because we have all these prophecies
01:19:03that talk about israel being restored and you know these two sticks being reunited and those can't be
01:19:09true if genetic israel is permanently cut off go ahead kevin so i've done so what you say about the
01:19:20replacement theology is more from the reformed community more reformers believe in the replacement theology
01:19:31however the dispensationalists believe in something different yeah so spectrum of beliefs there i mean
01:19:40there's on one hand you've got uh israel is totally gone and has been replaced with the church and they
01:19:48call church the new israel or you know something like that and he's definitely very anti-semitic but then
01:19:55you have other people who believes that god doesn't cut off the native people of israel but we're israel
01:20:04in the church are parallel things and we're you know we can all be part of the same thing and
01:20:10so you
01:20:11know he believes very much like i do that we are added to the people of israel and so it's
01:20:18hard to tell
01:20:19the difference and there's no easy dividing line where replacement theology becomes commonwealth
01:20:25theology or added like there's another term i can't remember um i think there's a term that tim hagg
01:20:32uses i can't remember quite what it is but uh yeah essentially the the idea of being grafted in
01:20:40and so yeah replacement theology can be an unfair characterization when it's talking about people
01:20:45like that because they don't believe that they're replacing anybody they believe that they're being
01:20:49added together which i believe too yeah and and everybody likes to throw around these words it's
01:20:56kind of like the word heretic that you know some people will call anything that sounds like gentiles
01:21:02getting benefit from the jewish covenants in jewish covenants uh they'll call that replacement theology
01:21:09and yeah i think that's wrong too yeah it's just just interesting to know that
01:21:15that there there are when because when i first heard of it it just wait what what do you mean
01:21:22by
01:21:23replacing you mean the church replaced israel and therefore like it was but yeah i guess there is
01:21:29different people that believe in different things and it means different to them and it really is because
01:21:36people just have these spectrums of beliefs in trying to fit anybody into some doctrinal boxes
01:21:43it never works i mean nobody fits cleanly into anybody's doctrinal box
01:21:49yeah i i think the reason why that you have there is like some type of connection is
01:21:56that because they do believe in keeping the law of god they're not anti-nomist like they're
01:22:02they're they're they're for the law and they they just they don't get some of the things that you're
01:22:11like why don't you get why don't you get that sabbath is not on sunday and but you know to
01:22:17me it's like
01:22:18maybe they're just not i don't know how they're not convinced but that's what happens when you have
01:22:25tradition of men so i think at verse 29 i think that's probably a good place to to call it
01:22:32for
01:22:32tonight so we will pick up and hopefully finish chapter 11 next week so every week i keep saying
01:22:41i think we're going to finish chapter 11 so maybe next week
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