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The study continues through Romans 10:4–11, focusing on the claim that “Christ is the end of the law,” arguing that the Greek telos means the law’s goal or purpose rather than its termination. The speaker explains how Jewish leaders sought righteousness through the Torah and tradition yet missed its intent, while Gentiles more readily accepted the gospel. The law’s purposes are presented as revealing humanity’s need for a savior, foreshadowing Messiah, and training believers to live like Yeshua, while not providing the perfect righteousness needed for eternal salvation. Romans 10 is connected to Deuteronomy 30, showing God’s word as near and emphasizing confession and heart-belief as allegiance and submission, not a magical formula. The discussion also addresses “saved” as past, present, and future, and interprets “not put to shame” via Isaiah as trusting Messiah through coming judgment.
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00:00:01welcome back common sense bible study and journey through the book of romans
00:00:06last time we left off on romans 10 3 and so we are on 10 4 tonight and this is
00:00:14another one of
00:00:14those really famous verses there are a whole lot of really famous verses in romans the first verses
00:00:20that anybody memorizes are you know john 3 16 romans 3 23 6 23 the romans road in romans 10
00:00:294
00:00:29is another one of those that i think gets there's more baggage than words in this verse
00:00:37so let's go ahead and start the reading i'm going to start with 10 3 just to backtrack a little
00:00:42bit
00:00:43for being ignorant of the righteousness of god and seeking to establish their own
00:00:47they did not submit to god's righteousness for christ is the end of the law for righteousness
00:00:52to everyone who believes for moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law that
00:00:58the person who does the commandments shall live by them but the righteousness based on faith says
00:01:03do not say in your heart who will ascend into heaven that is to bring christ down or who will
00:01:08ascend into the abyss that is to bring christ up from the dead but what does it say the word
00:01:14is near
00:01:14you in your mouth and in your heart that is the word of faith that we proclaim because if you
00:01:19confess
00:01:19with your mouth that jesus is lord and believe in your heart that god raised him from the dead
00:01:23you will be saved yeah read a couple more for with the heart one believes and is justified and with
00:01:30the mouth one confesses and is saved for the scripture says everyone who believes in him will
00:01:35not be put to shame for there is no distinction between jew and greek for the same lord is lord
00:01:41of
00:01:41all bestowing his riches on all who call on him for everyone who calls on the name of the lord
00:01:46will be
00:01:46all right so in romans 10 3 we're talking about how the uh especially the jewish religious leaders
00:01:57had built up so much stuff around the torah in their expectation that simply by being jewish
00:02:04no matter what they did that they were not only part of god's chosen people but they had
00:02:11a place in the afterlife that in the the kingdom to come eternal life you know their place was
00:02:20already guaranteed simply by being born a jew but that prevented them from seeing the reality of
00:02:27eternal salvation you know they they may be descendants of abraham but they're not sons of abraham according to
00:02:34the promise so anyways the torah thing that was supposed to lead them to yeshua help them to live like
00:02:45yeshua lived in in be in a good relationship with their creator was actually a hindrance to them it was
00:02:54becoming a stumbling stone preventing them from achieving the very thing that the law was intended to
00:03:00achieve so let's go on to verse four for christ is the end of the law of righteousness to everyone
00:03:08who believes
00:03:09excuse me got a tickle in my throat tonight all right so in the previous verse in previous verses
00:03:18paul was talking about this search for righteousness how the jews had been searching for it and weren't
00:03:26achieving it but gentiles who weren't really looking for it because they didn't even know that they could
00:03:30have a relationship with their creator they weren't looking for it but then when the apostles came and
00:03:35told him to it it told it to them they saw it believed it and accepted it so it was
00:03:42actually easier for
00:03:43someone who did not have religious training to believe the gospel than it was for the people who had
00:03:48grown up with it so when he gets to this verse christ is the end of the law of righteousness
00:03:56he's not saying
00:03:58the termination of the law for righteousness he's saying this was the goal of the law for righteousness
00:04:05if the jews had seen the law for what it was supposed to be they would have been using it
00:04:10to become more
00:04:11like yeshua to learn about the creator and to learn about this messiah and the one that moses had
00:04:19prophesied would come but they missed all that they misunderstood and they missed the character of
00:04:25god that was hidden in the law and they built up all their own law on top of it and
00:04:29said this is the
00:04:30real law and that was just another layer of blindness on top of what they already had
00:04:36the word here for end in greek it's telos and it can mean the end as in a termination that
00:04:43is one
00:04:44legitimate interpretation of this word but in context it can't really mean that because paul goes
00:04:51on to say that he knows you know we're not supposed to go on sinning and he knows what sin
00:04:56is because
00:04:57the law told him well if the law is ended with christ then there is no sin because sin is
00:05:05defined by the law so it doesn't make any sense then for paul to say i you know the law
00:05:11teaches me
00:05:12what sin is and i'm not supposed to do that if the law has ended so it only makes sense
00:05:18especially in
00:05:18context of what he had just said in the previous verses that when he uses the word telos here he's
00:05:25using it in the sense of this was the goal or the the main purpose this is what it's supposed
00:05:30to lead
00:05:30you to and even in english we use the word termination or terminus as the end goal like
00:05:38the terminus of a train line is the place where it's supposed to take you the law is supposed to
00:05:45take you to yeshua and it wasn't taking them there because they were misusing it does that make sense
00:05:52so yeah in the clever way to think of it i think would be like what is at the end
00:06:01of the rainbow
00:06:02a pot of gold what is the end of belief if you have a belief in yeshua or a belief
00:06:11in the in in the law
00:06:13yeshua is the pot of gold so to speak if you follow that path of belief that he's referencing
00:06:20ultimately that's going to lead you to the messiah yeah and it does that in multiple ways
00:06:24you know at first it teaches you that you need a messiah because you will never you will never measure
00:06:31up to god's perfect standard of righteousness at some time in the past you screwed up and the law
00:06:36itself isn't really that hard it's not hard to not hurt your neighbors you know if you're conscientious
00:06:42and you know not trying to you know we all have weaknesses we all get selfish at times so i
00:06:48mean
00:06:48we all screw up and it's kind of the point that no matter how easy it is eventually we're going
00:06:54to
00:06:54screw up in some small respect no matter how good we are and that prevents us from ever measuring up
00:07:00to god's perfect standard so that's the first purpose of the law is that it teaches us that we need
00:07:06a savior and once we know that the law also teaches us about who the savior is and it doesn't
00:07:15do a lot
00:07:15of explicit instruction there it gives types and shadows you know there is hold on just a second
00:07:22sorry i got distracted by something here now through like the sacrifice of isaac and the pattern of the
00:07:30life of joseph and the uh the roles of moses and aaron and joshua in the people all of these
00:07:37things point
00:07:38to who the messiah would eventually be and finally the law teaches us how to live like messiah how to
00:07:45live like him and paul alluded to this back in in chapter eight when he talks about how god has
00:07:53predestined those who believe to become like his son well that's because if you believe you go back
00:08:01to god's law and you start acting like you believe you start believing his words and doing what he said
00:08:07and as you do you become more and more like yeshua as long as your focus isn't stuck on the
00:08:14do's and
00:08:14the don'ts it's not about the do's and the don'ts it's about becoming like yeshua learning to love our
00:08:21neighbors learning to love god and the do's and the don'ts are like they're like lines on the highway
00:08:30they are the things that keep you in the path and if you are breaking those do's and don'ts it
00:08:35means
00:08:35you are straying outside of where you're supposed to be in order to love your neighbor and so in all
00:08:42of those ways christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes if you believe
00:08:49you obey and it draws you further and further towards christ that all make sense so the the
00:08:56churches take or some are going to argue that the law is done away with because it says the end
00:09:06of
00:09:06the law which you're saying this is very much the antithesis of that sentiment yeah it's not it's
00:09:17the terminus of the law not the termination of the law or maybe i should say the terminal that would
00:09:22be a more familiar english word there's a couple other passages let me put some of these in the in
00:09:29the chat somebody wants to grab luke 22 right now yeah if you're ready with it go ahead
00:09:39luke 22 what do i start 37 sorry just the one i say to you sorry just the one verse
00:09:48okay for i say
00:09:51to you that what has been written has yet to be accomplished in me and he was reckoned with lawless
00:09:57ones for that which refers to me has an end to yeah and which translation is that uh like isr
00:10:07ts 2009
00:10:09okay let me read that in the new american standard uh for i tell you that this which is written
00:10:16must be
00:10:16fulfilled in me and he was numbered with the transgressors for that which refers to me has its
00:10:22fulfillment so the point of this this prophecy he was numbered with the transgressors the point of
00:10:31this is yeshua it is pointing to him so it's like the goal or the aim and this is another
00:10:38the word
00:10:40telos if i remember correctly has also has its root in the idea of aiming or a target of something
00:10:46but somebody have first thessalonians 2 16 yep i've got it by hindering us from speaking to the
00:10:53gentiles that they might be saved so as to always fill up the measure of their sins but wrath has
00:11:00come
00:11:00upon us from at last and that last part there at last that's the same word telos but wrath has
00:11:07come
00:11:07upon them in the nasb translates that to the utmost in the time of paul when he's writing this
00:11:15we know that god's wrath had not come upon them at last yet but you know paul and yeshua and
00:11:23john all
00:11:24prophesied that it would that it would come to fruition you know just like with the canaanites
00:11:30there was a time when god's wrath was coming but eventually it would come to the utmost but it
00:11:36hadn't yet so translating that as that his wrath has come upon them at last i don't think that's a
00:11:44good translation because it hadn't come upon them yet and really it still hasn't sometimes you know
00:11:50in isolated cases it does like sodom and gomorrah and the canaanites but on all of the gentiles on
00:11:56all the pagan nations that wrath is still to come and that's what we call the great day of the
00:12:01lord
00:12:03and so i think the nasb has a better translation there when it translates telos as to the utmost
00:12:10here's another way that telos doesn't mean the end of something but the ultimate of something
00:12:15or the greatest fulfillment of it and there's one more james 5 11 if someone wants to get that one
00:12:23sorry i think i've got a spotty internet connection here so let me know if something isn't coming
00:12:29through james what 5 11 see we call the those blessed who endure you've heard of the endurance of
00:12:40job or who's that they got a hebrew word you've heard the endurance okay it was job and saw the
00:12:49purpose of yahweh that he is very sympathetic and compassionate yeah where it says the purpose
00:12:57that's that's the greek word telos so here's yet another possible translation of the word telos
00:13:04in all of these work in romans 10 4 except termination that's the only one that doesn't
00:13:10make any sense in context and that's the only one that most christian pastors will go to say
00:13:16this is what it means okay does that make sense that end here does not mean termination
00:13:22what do you make of of the law for righteousness that's a specific demarcation or description
00:13:30of the law you think there's a purpose to that yeah in the previous verses paul was talking about how
00:13:37the jews were using the law looking for a kind of righteousness they were thinking that they were
00:13:43they were gaining a kind of righteousness that would reunite them with god you know restore that
00:13:49relationship and give them eternal life but they could never achieve it they could never achieve
00:13:55perfection through the law because it just wasn't intended to do that and so it's a description of
00:14:01the law the law's purpose is for righteousness is that what well it is that that's one of the purposes
00:14:07of the law that's not really what paul is saying here he's saying that the the way that the law
00:14:14actually leads you to perfect righteousness is by pointing you to yeshua not through keeping the law
00:14:22itself that is a kind of righteousness but that kind of righteousness won't earn you eternal salvation
00:14:27what it's supposed to do is point you to this righteousness of yeshua which can then be imputed to
00:14:34you okay we're ready to go on to verse five all right for moses writes about the righteousness that
00:14:40is based on the law that the person who does the commandments shall live by them and here's the
00:14:45righteousness we were just talking about the kind of righteousness that does come through the law
00:14:51and when moses says that a person if a person does the commandments and they will live by them
00:14:57he means here and now if you do the commandments you are more likely to have a longer life it's
00:15:04going to
00:15:04keep you out of trouble you're going to have a more prosperous life you will have peace in your land
00:15:10you know if you as a people are keeping god's commandments you'll be secure in the land or more
00:15:15more secure than you would be otherwise which leads to longer life and better life for everybody who lives
00:15:19there it just doesn't lead to eternal life it's not that kind of life that you get through
00:15:26merely obeying the commandments let's see just checking my notes here anybody have any thoughts on that
00:15:34well it's kind of bold because he he makes a statement as to the purpose or a purpose of the
00:15:42law
00:15:43and that's actually important you you know you don't just have the law for the law's sake there's
00:15:49going to be a purpose and um one of those is to lead to righteousness i i think there are
00:15:56more
00:15:56purposes the law than than just that but he's he's certainly pinpointing that that element
00:16:03yeah and it wasn't just moses who said that i mean moses wrote it down but that was god who
00:16:07said
00:16:07that uh he's quoting leviticus 18 5 which says so you shall keep my statutes and my judgments by which
00:16:15a man may live if he does them i am yahweh so god is putting his name on this he
00:16:21is staking his
00:16:22reputation on the fact that if you keep his commandments you will live by them so we can believe
00:16:27that that is true we shouldn't have any doubt about it and he doesn't specify like these commandments but
00:16:35not those the whole thing there's i mean there is no commandment that god gave that doesn't lead to life
00:16:42that doesn't teach you how to love your neighbor to live to love him they're all about that none of
00:16:48them
00:16:48are to make life harder to show how much he hates his people so that he can condemn them
00:16:56none of them are just to make them look weird they really have a purpose and they lead to life
00:17:02especially when he says my statutes and my judgments so this isn't even talking about the
00:17:0810 commandments this is talking about all the details the case law and the you know if this odd
00:17:14little thing happens here's what we're going to do about it and if you do away with the law
00:17:20you are basically doing away with a means by which to achieve righteousness you're basically saying
00:17:28you know what i am not about righteousness anymore i'm about x or y so you really can't have that
00:17:35law
00:17:35done away with because it it lessens who he is what he said and what he required yeah and i
00:17:42want to
00:17:45we have been taught a certain set of ideas so often for so many years that it's hard to i
00:17:53mean even if
00:17:53we talk about it in a really clear about it one moment it's we forget and then we reinterpret verses
00:18:00in the wrong way just minutes later because we still have those pathways burned into our brains
00:18:06so keeping the commandments is righteousness obeying god is righteousness this is the very definition of
00:18:15righteousness but there is a righteousness that is necessary for eternal salvation and you can never
00:18:23get it once you have break broken one single commandment you can never get back to that perfect
00:18:29level of righteousness to warrant being in god's presence there's always that taint of sin
00:18:36of spiritual uncleanness that will destroy you in god's presence and so that's why we have yeshua
00:18:43his blood wipes that slate clean so that we can be in god's presence and not be afraid
00:18:50and that's the perfect righteousness that we can only achieve through him and through faith in him
00:18:55so can you do away with the righteousness or you just ignore it well by ignoring it position to do
00:19:05away
00:19:06yeah no we're we can't we can't do away with any of god's commandments you know all of these things
00:19:12are
00:19:12righteous and by ignoring it if we say uh you know god has given a commandment and we don't understand
00:19:19what
00:19:20it's for or we think we understand what it's for and so we decide to ignore it because it no
00:19:25longer
00:19:25applies in our circumstances then we are in disobedience and we're no longer following the
00:19:31righteousness of the law you know some we could just be mistaken i'm not saying that this is going
00:19:36to condemn you to hell that's not necessarily outright rebellion i mean if you if you are rejecting
00:19:42god and saying i'm not keeping any of god's commandments anymore i don't care what he says
00:19:46that's that's a separate issue but if you misunderstand if you ignore it because
00:19:53you know you think that doesn't apply to you or you somebody has taught convinced you that this law
00:19:58no longer is in effect or you're just weak and sometimes you give in to temptation that's not
00:20:04going to condemn you to hell but it does rob you of righteousness in life that god has promised
00:20:11all right verse five any other any other comments or thoughts on this verse okay all right moving on
00:20:17to verse six then can everybody hear me okay all right combining verses six through nine all together
00:20:24because they're kind of a single thought but the righteousness based on faith says do not say in
00:20:30your heart who will ascend into heaven that is to bring christ down or who will descend into the abyss
00:20:35that is to bring christ up from the dead but what does it say the word is near you in
00:20:39your mouth
00:20:40and in your heart that is the word of faith that we proclaim because if you confess with your mouth
00:20:45that jesus is lord and believe in your heart that god raised him from the dead you will be saved
00:20:50all right this is from deuteronomy chapter 30 verses 11 to 14 if nobody else for this command which
00:21:00i am commanding you today is not too hard for you nor is it far off it is not in
00:21:04the heavens to say
00:21:05who shall ascend into the heavens for us and bring it to us and cause us to hear it so
00:21:10that we do it
00:21:11nor is it beyond the sea to say who shall go over the sea for us and bring it to
00:21:15us cause us to hear it
00:21:17so that we do it for the word is very near you in your mouth and in your heart to
00:21:22do it see i have set
00:21:24before you today life and good and death and evil all right do we continue no that's good is that
00:21:32is
00:21:32that what they do in the blessing and the curse over um the two mountains in the valley i think
00:21:37that is a
00:21:38little bit further on or is it earlier uh i can't remember but the curses uh they go through this
00:21:45litany
00:21:46of curses and saying you know cursed is anyone who does this cursed is anyone who does this and they
00:21:50kind of go through that over and over i don't remember which chapter that's in so in these verses
00:21:56there is something funny going on and it's common in scripture for the apostles to i don't want to say
00:22:07misquote scripture but to quote it in ways that you wouldn't expect and paul did it with isaiah
00:22:14in chapter 9 and now he's doing it with deuteronomy and the part where he changes things around is in
00:22:24the second question he says do not say in your heart who will ascend into heaven to get it for
00:22:29us
00:22:29or who will in deuteronomy it says or who will go across the sea to bring it back to us
00:22:34paul says
00:22:36instead of going across the sea he says who will descend into the abyss and that's not that's not wrong
00:22:44it's just he's paraphrasing he probably does not have a torah scroll in front of him
00:22:50not that i think that's necessarily why he's paraphrasing but he's trying to make a spiritual point
00:22:56and it's the point of what moses is saying in deuteronomy is that god's law isn't that complicated
00:23:04it's not difficult for you to understand uh at least for us separated by 3 000 years of of history
00:23:12and technology and language it can get a little difficult sometimes but at the time that moses
00:23:19gave it to the people it wasn't that hard for them to understand it was straightforward simple
00:23:24common sense stuff and so he's saying you can keep this command you can keep this law it's really not
00:23:32that hard you don't have to like you don't have to have a super spiritual sage to go up into
00:23:38heaven
00:23:38and get it back for you you don't have to send uh an emissary across the sea to go find
00:23:45a guru
00:23:46in india and you know to teach you all about god and his commandments this is simple it's made for
00:23:52shepherds and farmers but paul is quoting it a little bit differently and what paul says means the same
00:24:01thing but he says who will descend into the abyss well in ancient hebrew thought the sea was associated
00:24:09with darkness and chaos and death deep in the sea the abyss this is kind of like the grave and
00:24:18if you
00:24:18drowned in the sea this is a really bad thing because you couldn't even be buried and he does this
00:24:24for
00:24:24two reasons one he is talking to a seafaring people the romans were very familiar with the sea
00:24:31much more so than the israelites and two he's trying to make this spiritual connection with yeshua
00:24:38he's trying to connect moses saying you don't need someone to go and get it for you even though you
00:24:46have
00:24:46broken it you don't need someone to go up to heaven for you to go and bring it down to
00:24:52you because god
00:24:53has already sent somebody and you don't need to send somebody down into the abyss to conquer death
00:25:01so that you don't have to stay dead because god has already done that for you yeshua has done this
00:25:07yeshua came down from heaven to show us how to keep the law and then he died and went down
00:25:13to sheol
00:25:14to conquer death and then he was resurrected so that we don't have to stay dead so i mean paul
00:25:20is doing
00:25:21something that i would really discourage most people from doing i read the scriptures for what
00:25:27they say when moses was speaking when he was giving the these words he was literally talking about you
00:25:32don't have to go across the sea to get someone to explain this to you because you know it i'm
00:25:37explaining it in words that you can understand so he's removing a level yeah all is you know if
00:25:45yeshua is the mediator so why do you need a mediator for the mediator yeah and in this case
00:25:50we need the mediator to restore us to the full relationship with god that we can never achieve
00:25:55on our own right you know we can never achieve that by even though the law is simple and easy
00:26:01to
00:26:01understand we can never achieve that level of righteousness through obedience once we've broken
00:26:08a commandment so now we need somebody to come down from heaven and to go down to the abyss and
00:26:16to wipe that slate clean and bring us that level of righteousness that is not available in the law
00:26:22so what paul has done is he he's taken a a mundane statement from the law i mean it's a
00:26:28profound statement
00:26:29but it's still about the here and now and where the law is talking about life in the here and
00:26:35now
00:26:35and he's removed it into a spiritual plane where he's talking about a profound spiritual truth
00:26:42that gives you a spiritual life so they're parallel the written law gives you life now
00:26:51and it's easy to understand you don't need anybody to go get it the spiritual life the eternal life that
00:26:57comes from yeshua you need somebody who is perfect to get that for you and he has come to show
00:27:03us how to
00:27:03live it out not just he didn't just die and pay that penalty or you know use his blood to
00:27:13erase our
00:27:14debt but he also showed us how to live in the here and now so that once we have that
00:27:19promise of eternal
00:27:19life we can start living it now and then we have both righteousnesses the perfect one that brings us
00:27:28reunites us with god and the temporal righteousness that gives us better life here better life with our
00:27:35neighbors does that make sense you know i almost see it as a as a as and it goes back
00:27:41to where we were
00:27:42talking about the end of the law is yeshua if you look at the law you're instituting a priesthood
00:27:49you know it's eliminating another level we can go directly to the intermediary who is
00:28:19is in fact god so it creates a more intimate interaction that we have with him than to look
00:28:27to a third party to basically tell us what to think or or what should or should not be yeah
00:28:34at least in
00:28:34the heavenlies i mean in in the heavenly tabernacle that's what he's done right and he elevates us to a
00:28:40priesthood where he is the high priest but we are we are the rank and file priests in that order
00:28:48and obviously we're not going up into heaven and serving in that tabernacle because we we have these
00:28:53physical bodies that kind of traps us here but there is a separate law that applies to the levitical
00:29:00priests just as yeshua can't be a priest in the tabernacle on earth the levite can't be a priest in
00:29:07the tabernacle in heaven they're two separate orders and so they have two separate sets of of laws that
00:29:11govern them even though they are parallel and very similar and of course all the laws that govern that
00:29:18heavenly priesthood we're not privy to what those commandments are i mean we only get hints of how it
00:29:24all works and you know the whole thing about when we see the the blood of animals on the altars
00:29:31that you
00:29:31know that atones for sin to allow us to enter god's presence these are shadows of the higher of that
00:29:38you
00:29:38know how this heavenly tabernacle works and june keeps dropping out and so you know it does give
00:29:46us kind of a hint of how that that priesthood works but we don't have the written instructions for it
00:29:52because those instructions wouldn't apply to us so there'd be no need to give them to us there's
00:29:57probably no need for written instructions because the high priest in heaven is the guy who writes all
00:30:02the instructions so what would be the point of writing them down you know that was another thing that
00:30:08paul says that you know the law is given for sinners the law is given for the lawless if we
00:30:15weren't sinners we wouldn't need it god to write it down but because we can't keep it god has to
00:30:20write
00:30:21it down for us see i know that this is a fairly long passage here i don't know i've got
00:30:25more notes
00:30:28sorry let's see oh the word of faith the word is near you in your mouth and in your heart
00:30:35that is the
00:30:36word of faith that we proclaim well first off what do you think it means when he says the word
00:30:41is near
00:30:41you in your mouth and in your heart and you know what do you think that means anybody who wants
00:30:47can
00:30:48go ahead and speak up or if you don't want okay well i've got a couple of thoughts the word
00:30:56is in your
00:30:56heart for a number of reasons i mean first because at some level it's written into our dna we are
00:31:04made
00:31:04in god's image so we have something of his character we we know things about god simply because of who
00:31:11we
00:31:12are and but that image is twisted it's defiled by sin we are understanding of righteousness is twisted
00:31:24around because of our sinful inclination you know we we want to do wrong things in the death that is
00:31:32in our flesh draws us ever more into more death so even though there is a part of god's law
00:31:39in our
00:31:39hearts already it takes reading the law meditating on it studying it doing it and it takes the indwelling
00:31:48of the holy spirit to really take that seed of the law that is still in our heart germinate it
00:31:56and allow it to grow and become something fruitful but on the other side it says it's in your heart
00:32:03oh sorry i got the heart part i'm kind of doing those backwards i was talking about the heart but
00:32:08then he says it's in your mouth well yeshua says that what is in your heart comes out of your
00:32:13mouth
00:32:14and that's means that literally because the things that are in your heart of the things that come out
00:32:19of your mouth when you say bad things or good things and it's also a metaphor of whatever's coming
00:32:25out of your mouth is whatever's coming out of you comes out through your hands your feet your eyes
00:32:30whatever whatever's in your heart is what you bring out into the world if there is sin in your heart
00:32:37you
00:32:37bring sin out into the world and if there is righteousness in your heart you bring righteousness out
00:32:42into the world. So if you are studying the law and meditating on it, studying God's character
00:32:51and trying to be like him, trying to be like his son, Yeshua, and if you have the Holy Spirit
00:32:56in
00:32:56you helping you to do these things and transforming you into an image of the son of God, then this
00:33:04is
00:33:04growing in your heart and it's going to start coming out of you. It's going to come out through
00:33:07your mouth, through confessions that Yeshua is Lord, that you worship the God of Abraham, that
00:33:15you know when you tell people about his righteousness, when someone asks you
00:33:20why do you behave this? Why do you why are you doing this other weird thing? Well now you have
00:33:25an opportunity to tell them because what is in your heart is coming out into the world through
00:33:29your actions and now it's going to come out through your words too. All right does that make sense
00:33:34for the it being in your mouth and in your heart? Or does anybody have anything to want to add
00:33:39to
00:33:39that? It makes sense to me. It seems like the times in my life when I am reading the word
00:33:47most often
00:33:49and I'm meditating on his word a lot, I behave differently than I do when I'm in those seasons
00:33:58where I'm not, where I'm hurting or mad or whatever reason that I'm not reading the word.
00:34:06My speech is different. My actions are different. Yeah and the more you meditate on it, the more you
00:34:14think about it and read it, the more your actions are going to start to be conformed to it. You
00:34:19know
00:34:19even if you don't have the Holy Spirit, you know just like, sorry, just like the you know the Jewish
00:34:25religious leaders of Yeshua's and Paul's days, they were meditating and reading God's law all the
00:34:30time and so at least on the physical level, they were doing a lot of the things that the law
00:34:35said to
00:34:36do. They were tithing, obviously they were tithing their mint and cumin and dill. They were going to
00:34:43the temple and offering sacrifices. They missed the whole point of it because they didn't recognize
00:34:48Yeshua for who he was. But if you do have the Holy Spirit, then this will help transform you into
00:34:56the
00:34:56image of the Son of God where you don't even, eventually you won't even need the written law
00:35:01anymore because it will be instinctive to you. Whenever you're confronted with a situation where
00:35:07at one time you might have said, I don't know what's right here. You'll just know. You won't have to
00:35:12think about it because right and wrong will be an instinctive part of you. But I think that only
00:35:19happens to the faithful, to those who love and fear God and have the Holy Spirit. I don't think
00:35:26you can ever get there without that. Hey Kevin, I saw your question and yeah, that's, that's kind of
00:35:32what it means. And we talked about that earlier. So I guess later after I upload the recording,
00:35:37if you want to go back and listen to the first probably 15, 20 minutes, we were talking about
00:35:43that. All right. And the verses that are on the screen right now. So after he says that the word
00:35:49is in your mouth and in your heart, he says that is the word of faith that we proclaim is
00:35:55this talking
00:35:57about the word of faith where you say, I'm not sick. And this, you know, this cancer growing my gut
00:36:05in my gut doesn't exist. And I am perfectly healthy. Is that what this is talking about? Or
00:36:13God's going to give me a second jet because I need it. No, it's when you speak the word as
00:36:21is written
00:36:22that you have faith of what is being presented is, is truth. Right. And specifically faith that
00:36:31Yeshua is the Messiah, that he is Lord. And we believe in our heart that God has raised him from
00:36:36the dead. Let's see. You know, just like with the previous, those questions, you know, who will
00:36:42ascend into heaven, who will cross the sea, you know, the literal original context is talking about
00:36:47the Torah. You know, Moses, when he was saying that, uh, that, you know, you will have this law in
00:36:54your mouth and in your heart, he's talking about the Torah itself, God's commandments, excuse me.
00:37:00But this is also about Yeshua being the living Torah and becoming like him. It, you know, his very
00:37:06life shows us how to live out God's instructions. And even though faithfully living out the Torah
00:37:13might be the hardest thing you ever do. It's also among the simplest and easiest things. You know,
00:37:19it's difficult because our flesh wars against it and is always trying to pull us the other direction.
00:37:24But it's easy because it's simple and good and obvious. If you understand who the character of
00:37:32the one who gave the commandments and the one who created us all. And in that case, yeah, like you're
00:37:36saying, Scott, the word is literally in our mouths as we read the Torah in our homes and in our
00:37:41congregations. And as we explain it to other people, it is literally in our mouths. And even speaking,
00:37:50it reinforces it again in our hearts. Any other thoughts there on verse eight? I should have put
00:37:57verses in that, in that screen, but okay. The last verse here, verse nine, if you confess with your
00:38:04mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be
00:38:08saved.
00:38:08And this is kind of the source of the sinner's prayer. And this is where we, where people get
00:38:15the idea that, you know, if you invite Jesus into your heart and say, Jesus, I'm a sinner and
00:38:25I want you to come into my heart and I love you. And now I'm saved or whatever, whatever the
00:38:30formula
00:38:30is that people are, are teaching in that particular moment. I think there is a level at which those
00:38:38words are completely true. You know, Jesus come into my heart and I'm saved. Well, yeah, if you
00:38:43understand what it means for Jesus to come into your heart, to be transformed into the image of the
00:38:49son of God, then yes, you will be saved. But that presupposes that you believe he is the son of
00:38:55God,
00:38:56that he died and rose again to forgive all your sins. So there's a whole lot of theology wrapped up
00:39:04in this, this glib little child's prayer. And it's true, but we've forgotten the truth behind it,
00:39:11or at least many people have forgotten the truth behind it and they will treat it as if it's a
00:39:16magical
00:39:17incantation. We'll get to some other magical incantation stuff later, but you know, it's not
00:39:23a ritual statement and it's not even intellectual assent necessarily, because as James said, even the
00:39:29demons believe and they shudder. So it's not just believing that he is Lord, but believing that he is
00:39:38your Lord and acting on it. Yeah. The belief is predicated upon God though. I mean, if you look at
00:39:45it,
00:39:45it says that if you believe in your heart, that God raised him from the dead. And I think the
00:39:50sinner's prayer puts more of an onus upon Yeshua as opposed to God's action. And then that whole
00:39:59process. Yeah, I suppose. I'm not really sure I see this. I mean, I understand the difference. I'm not
00:40:04sure I see the significance of this context though. I'm talking my mindset and certainly not.
00:40:11It's mine. So whenever I've heard the sinner's prayer or teachings at various churches, I always
00:40:22look to what's being presented as Yeshua's primacy in that equation as opposed to God. And I'm just
00:40:31reading this right now and realizing, yeah, I know this, you can argue the Trinity and such, but
00:40:37I'm noting that the, that the onus is upon God and what I'm reading right now and not necessarily
00:40:44Yeshua. Do you think that Yeshua is not God? Yeah, I do. I'm just looking at this verse. I see
00:40:54the,
00:40:54the, this, this, the stress being God as opposed to him. That's, that is, that's amazing. I'm having a lot
00:41:01of conversations with people because a lot of times people that go turn away from, oh, you know
00:41:06what? Hey, this isn't my class. Go ahead today. Sorry. I didn't mean to, didn't mean to hijack the
00:41:12class. No, that's all right. I mean, it is relevant here in the, in this context, if we're saying that,
00:41:19you know, Jesus is Lord or Yeshua is Lord, he died and went to the abyss to Sheol and then
00:41:25God raised
00:41:26him from the dead. If we then say that Yeshua is God, why does Paul say God raised him from
00:41:30the dead?
00:41:31That's a really good question. I, I just wanted to like have 15 seconds to say, I've been going
00:41:39through a lot of this because I have a lot of debates with people because they leave the Christian
00:41:44Trinitarian creed portion. The, what happens oftentimes is they fall into the ditch of the
00:41:51created Jesus separate from, you know, Jesus isn't the father, so he's not Yahweh. And so my argument with
00:41:58them is you're making a mistake of saying that Yahweh is only the father. Well, Yahweh is like
00:42:04the spirit of Elohim and Yeshua is the flesh of Elohim. I don't go for the third business, but
00:42:10regardless, what's interesting, Scott, is that I've been going through a lot of studying and
00:42:16this next verse, if you read this all together, it's really interesting because listen, if you just
00:42:22read it all together, it says, but if you confess to your mouth that master Yeshua is Yeshua and
00:42:29believe in your heart that Elohim has raised, okay, so Elohim is a plural, Elo, Elo is, L is one,
00:42:35Elohim is plural. But anyways, has raised him from the dead, you shall be saved. For with the heart,
00:42:39one believes in righteousness and confesses with the mouth and is all, and is so, and so is saved. But
00:42:45the, because the scripture says, whoever puts his trust in him shall not be put to shame. And that's
00:42:51from Isaiah, right? And then, because there is no distinction between Yehudi Greek, for the name,
00:42:58for the same master of all is rich to all who are calling upon him. And then he quotes in
00:43:04the, in verse
00:43:0513, for everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh shall be saved. So he, so Paul is right there,
00:43:13interestingly enough, which is what I'm going to use as kind of a seed for my next, um,
00:43:19just portion of the discussion is from Joel, for all who call upon the name of Yahweh will be rescued.
00:43:26So Paul is equating the name of Yeshua with the name of Yahweh. Yeah. In that chunk, which I just
00:43:33find interesting to mull around. Yeah. I would say about the divine, the divine status. Yeah. And
00:43:41sorry, Bo and Kelly, I did see your hand up. I'll get to you in just a second. And I
00:43:45would say in,
00:43:46at least in the context, context of this verse, that when he's talking about God, he's talking about
00:43:52the father, that, you know, the son was in Sheol, the father raised him up, but yes, they are both
00:43:59God
00:43:59in probably in almost every case. Yeah. The father, the father is a spirit. I think, yeah, I don't,
00:44:08we don't need to get into Trinitarian stuff right now. You're right. That would be a, another,
00:44:12we don't need to get too deep into those weeds. I think whenever Paul is talking about God,
00:44:18as opposed to Yeshua, he is talking about the father. And there are those occasions where he says,
00:44:24where he is more explicit, you know, he talks about Yeshua, our great God. Pretty sure that was
00:44:31Paul. So occasionally he makes that connection more explicit, but usually he uses God as shorthand
00:44:38for the father. Go ahead, Bo and Kelly. I don't know which one of you wanted to speak.
00:44:45Sorry, it's Kelly. Bo is at a men's Bible study. So, sorry. So I just wanted to go back and
00:44:53talk
00:44:54about the being saved part. And I know that when I was in church before I came to the understanding
00:45:05that the whole Bible was valid, that I was baptized. And I believe in that moment when I did proclaim
00:45:19that I believe that Jesus was raised from the dead, all that stuff, don't call him Jesus anymore. But my
00:45:24point
00:45:25is that I believe I was saved in that moment. My entire life changed from that moment on. I didn't
00:45:35know
00:45:35God, honestly. I hadn't read the whole Bible yet. When I did that, I just knew it was important to
00:45:41be baptized.
00:45:41baptized. And I wanted to, I wanted to seek the father and the son. And, and I think
00:45:51after that public declaration and that, and proclaiming that, that it was the beginning
00:45:59of my being saved, if that makes sense. Like, I know it's a race till the end. I know that
00:46:05I have
00:46:06to endure to the end and I can turn my back on him at any time and lose my salvation.
00:46:11I can choose
00:46:12to throw it in the trash. You know, no man can take it from me, but I can make choices
00:46:17to turn my back
00:46:19and go another way. But I feel like it's like when they came out of Egypt, right? They were saved.
00:46:29He saved them out of bondage and he delivered them, but they did not endure till the end. They did
00:46:37not
00:46:37make it to the promised land. So only two did. So I feel like it's like that, like it's at
00:46:44the
00:46:44beginning. You, even if you don't know who the father and the son really are, I feel like if you
00:46:50start there, you know, with the basic, what you do in church, I guess, you know, the, the baby stuff,
00:46:58the beginning that, um, as long as you keep seeking and you learn and you're actually trying
00:47:05to follow the, the way and the father and he shows you because he definitely opened my eyes after
00:47:12that. I don't think if I hadn't made that initial step toward him, that he would have granted me the
00:47:20ability to see what I've seen now. Yeah. And that's, yeah, I know exactly what you mean about the,
00:47:27the, uh, the being saved part. This idea of already not yet is really a, it's a huge concept
00:47:34in scripture. And I know that, you know, some people will dismiss it because guys like Michael
00:47:39Heiser were really big about it, but I, I think it's a really important concept to really understanding
00:47:46the more Hebraic approach to scripture as, you know, things like prophecy and, you know, the,
00:47:52the traditional view of prophecy is that there's a prophecy that something is going to happen in the
00:47:57future. It happens. And then that prophecy is done and fulfilled. Now we can forget about that and move
00:48:01on to the next one. It just doesn't work that way that, you know, prophecy is a continual fulfillment.
00:48:07It was fulfilled. It is being fulfilled. It will be fulfilled. You were saved. You are being saved
00:48:14and you will be saved. All of those are true. You were saved at the moment that you were justified
00:48:20and God removed all of your sins. You are being saved in that God is teaching you how to live
00:48:28and
00:48:28transforming you into the image of his son so that you will live a more righteous, holy life in gain
00:48:36in
00:48:37a life that really counts beyond the grave. And you will be saved because at the final judgment,
00:48:43you will pass that and go on into eternal life where those who are not going to be saved
00:48:47are going into condemnation, the second death. So almost anything in scripture has this same idea.
00:48:54The kingdom, the kingdom is now, the kingdom is, is growing and the kingdom is yet to come.
00:49:00All of those are true at the same time. The new covenant is another example. The new covenant
00:49:06was inaugurated when Yeshua died, when he shed his blood on the cross.
00:49:10It was, it was, what's the word I'm looking for? A, you know, the down payment was given
00:49:16when the Holy Spirit was sent and the new covenant is growing as the law is written on our hearts
00:49:23over
00:49:24time. Because, you know, as God is transforming us into that image of his son, the law is written
00:49:29more and more on our hearts, but still we still have to teach each other. We still have to study
00:49:35the
00:49:35scriptures. We don't know God's character so deeply that we don't need to be taught.
00:49:40And that's part of the new covenant. And that's only going to happen when we were all resurrected
00:49:46and perfected. Then the new covenant will be in full. So it has happened. It is happening and it will
00:49:52happen. Yeah. Just because we're, we're reading all right now, Jay, I'd say renewed covenant would be
00:50:01more applicable as opposed to new, because there's such confusion in Romans with, was there a, you
00:50:06know, an entirely new edict given or not? Well, there's another place where I would say both
00:50:15that, you know, Jeremiah says that it will be a new covenant. And I know that some people will
00:50:19interpret that as renewed. I, you know, I'm, I'm no expert in Hebrew, but from what I have read in
00:50:27from,
00:50:28you know, especially from experts, it really does say that it's a new covenant. However,
00:50:33the new covenant contains the same provisions as the old plus better ones. So it's an expanded
00:50:40version of the old covenant, which is very much like a renewed covenant. And it builds on the same
00:50:45relationship. It takes the betrothal that we did have and turns it into a full-blown marriage.
00:50:51It's the same relationship and it's a renewed relationship, but it's a new covenant added to
00:50:57the old covenant, which is added to the one before that and added to the one before that.
00:51:02And, you know, like, uh, what it, uh, you know, Daniel was calling it like stories on a building,
00:51:09you know, they're, they're all adding up to, we get to this, to the peak, to the pinnacle of the,
00:51:15or the culmination or the telos, the end, whatever you want to call it, which is not the end of
00:51:20the
00:51:20covenant, but the culmination of it. Okay.
00:51:23You won't have to teach each other the scriptures. That's right. Because the whole point of teaching
00:51:28the scriptures is learning who God is learning about his character and nobody will have to tell
00:51:32each other, no God, because we will all know. Yeah. We're ready to move on to verse 10.
00:51:39All right. A 10 and 11 for with the heart, one believes and is justified. And with the mouth,
00:51:45one confesses and is saved for the scripture says, everyone who believes in him will not be put to
00:51:50shame. Verse 10 is arranged in a parallelism that I should have created a separate slide for that.
00:51:57So I could show it, but I didn't. The parallelism is with the heart, one believes with the mouth,
00:52:04one confesses and is justified and is saved with the heart. One believes is connected with,
00:52:10with the mouth and one, uh, with the mouth, one confesses and is justified is connected with is
00:52:16saved. These two are pair. These are parallel statements. They don't mean exactly the same
00:52:20thing, but they are connected. So one leads to the other, the state of one's heart prompts God to
00:52:29erase our spiritual debt. When we believe in him so much that we are ready to do whatever he says,
00:52:35and we are submitted to him. He erases our spiritual debt and acts on that belief by,
00:52:43or rather we act on that belief by declaring our allegiance to Yeshua. And this gives us eternal
00:52:48salvation is not through anything that we've done yet, but it is through who we believe and who we are
00:52:56submitted to. And then actions follow that submission. So with the heart, when the heart believes we are
00:53:05justified and with the mouth confesses, we are saved. So remember what, what James says that,
00:53:11you know, even the demons believe in shutter. So the belief itself isn't enough. We have to be
00:53:17submitted and we have to acknowledge our submission. And I don't think it's not saying that you have to
00:53:23actually say it out loud. I, if you can, you definitely need to, but a mute person can be saved.
00:53:31A, you know, a paraplegic or quadriplegic who can't even speak. That person is, can be saved
00:53:39by their belief, their belief that is belief to the point of submission. I guess I don't really know
00:53:45how else to say that right now. Well, it's the confession, whether you use your mouth to physically
00:53:51say that, or it's the mind where you are proclaiming what your beliefs are. Yeah. And that justification
00:54:01in the next phrase is justified is connected with his saved. When you are justified, God has erased
00:54:08your, your spiritual debt of sin. You are no longer a slave to that sin. And your, your allegiance is
00:54:14transferred to him. And that is being saved. And now you begin the process of being saved.
00:54:21And that is being transformed into the image of Yeshua. And if you persevere to the end,
00:54:27you are saved. You are saved. You are being saved. You will be saved. And the end persevering to the
00:54:35end is going to mean different things for different people, because for the thief on the cross,
00:54:40persevering to the end wasn't very long. And he does not put baptism in here. He doesn't put
00:54:46circumcision. He doesn't put any physical acts that you can go out and do. You don't have,
00:54:53you don't have to go through a process of conversion. You don't have to be confirmed.
00:54:57No sprinkling, no incense, no standing on one foot and reciting the pledge of allegiance.
00:55:03You are justified and therefore saved. Now that does put an obligation on you that now that you
00:55:10have been justified, now you need to live it out. And if you refuse to live it out,
00:55:17you know, here, here's where I think Calvinists have a really good point.
00:55:21If you have confessed your belief in Yeshua and then you refuse to live it out, you never really
00:55:27believed in the first place. I do believe that, that you can confess it and begin living it out and
00:55:33then reject it. I think that is possible. And people do that. That doesn't mean that they didn't
00:55:39believe before. It means that something got to them or something happened that was more than
00:55:48they thought that they could take or something. I don't know. I'm not going to try to second
00:55:53guess everybody's motivations because I don't understand my own motivation sometimes,
00:55:58but I do think that that, that happens. Does that make sense?
00:56:03Yeah. I think it would make a lot more sense if we quit using the word believe
00:56:06and use the word faithfulness because the M-O-N-I, this believe, pistis, faith,
00:56:15trust in circle of circular reasoning doesn't help anyone grow because it keeps them dizzy
00:56:23versus the Hebraic thinking where we get the word fidelity. Amen. You know, even the word
00:56:30amen is a kind of a form of emunah, which is kind of the Hebrew part of the, the pistis.
00:56:39And usually it's in a phrase, usually it's in the present tense, a lot of stuff going on that,
00:56:44that is an action active, a process, a participating verb that gets lost in translation. And
00:56:55you know, people, you know, if you have something invested in a pledge of faithfulness,
00:57:01if instead of saying to some guy at Sunday church or whatever, well, believe on the Lord Jesus Christ
00:57:09and thou shalt be saved. You know, I was like, okay, you pledge faithfulness to Messiah HaMashiach
00:57:13and thou shall be delivered from your penalty of sin. Repent, you know, and then put, you know,
00:57:20build, put the vows together, put the covenants together. You know, you are repenting of this,
00:57:25you're changing your mind for what you believe. Also, you are changing your mind from desiring to live
00:57:30apart from Yahweh on some sin, sinful life, whatever that would look like. And this pledge
00:57:35of faithfulness puts you in this covenant position, this position of, of growth and also a position of
00:57:41authority because, you know, we've been granted this through Yeshua HaMashiach to, we, we get,
00:57:47we get the spirit of the father, John 14, to those who are obeying his commandments. And then
00:57:52we've been betrothed with a certain gift of some sort in Ephesians, like Ephesians says, and then
00:57:58we go on our way. When you lay that, that good news on someone of the kingdom, it's a lot
00:58:06more to hang
00:58:06on to then. I just don't believe anymore because bad things are going on. You know, it's, it's because
00:58:12I'm, I'm working with several people that it's a hard time even having a conversation with them
00:58:18because they've grown for 20 and 30 years in this hyper grace dispensational or pick your Protestant
00:58:2640,000, 40,000 denominational flavor. And they, they, you know, whether they have eternal security
00:58:32or not, they don't, there's no real grip or understanding of you've made a vow with the
00:58:41creator of the universe by pledging your faithfulness that Yeshua is the Messiah. He came
00:58:47down from heaven. He's the flesh of the Elohim. He declared the world's forgiven. Now you want
00:58:55to be restored. Here's the handbook. You know, that's a lot more meat and stuff to grab onto.
00:59:03And I think a lot more, way more people that pledge belief or faithfulness would way more people would
00:59:09not treat it so lightly or just like, Oh, you know, I gave it away or whatever, or I quit
00:59:17believing or
00:59:18something. And I don't blame them because there was nothing for them to believe in the first.
00:59:23Yeah. Or on the other hand, somebody says, well, I believe, I believe that Jesus is the son of God
00:59:28and that he rose from the dead. And then they go on and on about their business as if they
00:59:31don't
00:59:31believe. Yeah. Because their church said, Hey, you're forgiven. Yeah. And yeah, I see your point. And
00:59:38I do agree that that is a problem. Uh, I think that translating it as faithfulness can lead to the
00:59:46opposite problem where you think you need to prove it before you act you're actually saved.
00:59:52Yeah. And yeah, there's, you know, that's kind of why I've started using the phrase like
00:59:59believing unto faithfulness. If you believe to the point where you are willing to submit
01:00:03or believing into, unto submission, like if you are believing in a way that leads you to
01:00:10faithfulness or to pledging faithfulness as, as you called it, I think that's a good way to say it.
01:00:15Then that is when God justifies you not before you've demonstrated your faithfulness, but at that
01:00:23point where you have vowed that you will be faithful. Yeah. Yeah. The pledge is what the
01:00:30pledge is what I think initiates life because you're basically going from pledging allegiance to
01:00:36Babylon to pledging allegiance that, you know, you shoot the, I think the, well, the big thing
01:00:42for us looking back is, um, like John eight, you know, the, that you're, you're pledging faithfulness
01:00:51that the Messiah is God coming down as the only way of salvation for the Jews and the, and, you
01:00:59know,
01:01:00and Israel, he came for the lost sheep of Israel. And that's why the Jews wanted to several times,
01:01:04but in John eight is what I've been studying recently. He, in Hebrew, Jesus was like basically
01:01:10finger in their chest, explaining to them who exactly he was in the Greek, it comes out a little
01:01:15mushy, of course, because the Greeks, but he was, he was literally saying I existed. I am ancient. I am
01:01:22the ancient one that you guys have been talking about. And I am here now to declare the time has
01:01:29arrived. And they, that they're like, you make yourself equal, whatever, you know, and then you can
01:01:35quibble about the father's blah, blah, blah. I'm submitting to the father. But the point is he
01:01:40was saying that I'm the rep, I'm the guy, I came down, here I am, let's go. And they rejected
01:01:45it.
01:01:46And the people that were like Nicodemus who repented and he pledged faithfulness,
01:01:54it was that, it was that giant repentance at that time. Now we're, we're looking back,
01:01:59we've got a lot of benefit from, you know, all this history and research and stuff.
01:02:05Yeah. To flesh out what you're saying a little bit, Tim, I'm wondering your, your emphasis is
01:02:11upon the faithfulness. I think a lot of people look at the new renewed covenant, whatever you want to
01:02:16say, when you use the word saved, they look to Yeshua or Yahweh as the, as the, the one that
01:02:25has
01:02:27all the onus to, to, to act and they take away from themselves a lot that needs to be done
01:02:35in terms
01:02:36of repentance and so forth. It's like, I'm saved. Great. You did this for me. And that, that seems to
01:02:40be a, a focus that I, that comes to mind for me, as opposed to I'm saved. I need to
01:02:48change my,
01:02:49my ways and I need to, you know, repent and I need to fulfill my portion of this covenant.
01:02:56They, they put the covenant on, on Yahweh. I think that's a big thing that happens.
01:03:02Absolutely. I'm saved. I'm saved. Are you saying I have to work for my salvation? And I'm just like,
01:03:08no, you don't have to work for your salvation, but any marriage covenant, and that's another thing
01:03:14they'll, and out of one side of their mouth, they'll say, I'm the bride of Christ. On the other hand,
01:03:18they're like, I don't have to do nothing. I said, well, I, that's not a marriage that will last.
01:03:22Because can you imagine having a, having a bride that just, you know, yeah. Oh, I, you know, oh,
01:03:30that book, I'm going to go by my spirit. And that's, and that, and that's a legitimate thing.
01:03:36I mean, I know pastors 30 years plus teaching amazing theological seminary ways of avoiding
01:03:46God's commandments, using systematic theological processes to avoid the commandments.
01:03:52Yeah. Go ahead, Kevin.
01:03:55Yeah. I think, I think our culture has a lot to do with it too. We are, the people are
01:04:02not like,
01:04:03we don't even use our brains anymore. We don't want to do our research. We don't want to look
01:04:11and see what the Greek or the Hebrew says. That's just a waste of time. They want someone to tell
01:04:18them how to believe what to believe. And so to your point, you have people that are just believing
01:04:26what someone says there. I wouldn't even call that faith or true belief, but also the scriptures talk
01:04:38about the true worshipers. And I think it makes the distinction that there will be people that will
01:04:48look like they, or they think they believe, or they, they look like they are Christians, but they're
01:04:53really not. So yeah, I just think culture, especially with words like love, you know, we, we get our,
01:05:01our modern day words that conflict us. When we studied the scriptures, the, like, if you study
01:05:10the KJB, the dictionary was a lot different back then when they use the words versus now.
01:05:17And, and so if I'm reading the KJB version, I might look at and see what, what the dictionary
01:05:27says about. So yeah, I mean, it's, it's a great point, but belief, you know, a lot of people,
01:05:36they're zombies. They just, they're, they have no brains and it's pretty sad. Yeah. Yeah. And, and the
01:05:49schools are not teaching them. And we're just in a different era. It's pretty scary. Yep.
01:05:57Go ahead, Kelly.
01:05:58I was just going to piggyback off what Kevin was talking about. And also Timothy, just talking
01:06:05about in our society now, everything is disposable. There is nothing that we have to hold on to
01:06:16anymore. We can throw everything away. We can throw away appliances, which my parents would have never
01:06:23done. They would have, you know, gotten those things worked on until, you know, whatever. So
01:06:29like babies are disposable. Marriages are disposable. Nobody has any real idea of what true covenant
01:06:38means and what endurance till the end even means anymore. And it's getting worse with the younger
01:06:45people. I'm almost 50 now. And, um, the younger generations, they just don't understand, I guess,
01:06:54just the reverence really needed and the work that it takes to, to follow the father at all.
01:07:06Yeah. Yeah. There's that whole pledge of faithfulness is, you know, like what I was saying
01:07:12earlier, it's not difficult to understand. It's not, it's not complicated, but it is difficult to do
01:07:19because there is, it is a huge commitment. It is a commitment of everything. And the disposable
01:07:29point, even truth is disposable. Your religion is disposable. You know, you can leave your religion
01:07:35behind when you go to the office place or when you go to the voting booth, like, well, if you
01:07:41can
01:07:41leave it behind, then you never really believed it. So what is even the point? And it's just such a
01:07:48bizarre world. It is bizarre because like, let's say going back to schools, they teach the kids to say
01:07:56the pledge. And I was a teacher for 21 years before I quit because I couldn't do it anymore, but
01:08:04they teach them to say the pledge. But to them, it's just something that you say, not one of the
01:08:10kids
01:08:11who learned the pledge actually would even think about suiting up into the military to defend what they
01:08:18just said. You know, it's like, they have no action behind it. They don't think that you actually do
01:08:26anything when you make pledges. And so that is just like from little kids. They do that all throughout
01:08:33school. And they're never taught that there's actually action that has to be involved when you take a
01:08:39pledge to something, when you pledge to do something, it's an action. It's not just words.
01:08:45Yeah, in that light, the sinner's prayer kind of takes that same approach to some. Oh, I said that I
01:08:52said
01:08:52the special words, the magic words, I'm now saved, you know, and that's what we're, that's what you're
01:08:57trying to address in the in what you're talking about right now, Jay, you know, it's and then what what
01:09:02Kelly just said, you know, there's action is, there's going to be some substance to what you what you're
01:09:08declaring. And we just read from your mouth, right? Yep. Let's talk about this verse 11 here, the last
01:09:15half of the slide that's on the screen. And we'll call it a night after that. This phrase, everyone
01:09:23who believes in him will not be put to shame. This is from Isaiah 28 16. Different translations may
01:09:30translate that a little bit differently in Isaiah. I assume that Paul is quoting out of the Septuagint.
01:09:36And I didn't check to see that that was the case. But when it says that everyone who believes in
01:09:41him
01:09:41will not be put to shame, what do you think that means? I mean, what shame is it talking about?
01:09:46And you could think of this as everyone who is faithful to him, or who pledges faithfulness that
01:09:51works too. You can rely upon Yahweh, he is who he said he was. And you are wise to align
01:10:04yourself
01:10:07with, with the truth, which is him. Wow.
01:10:11I think that it means that and I think it means that if you're confessing, because that's what
01:10:19it was talking about in nine, that you believe in the Father, you believe in the Son, you believe
01:10:26that you have to walk in the way that he has prescribed for us to walk, that he is like
01:10:34a mirror to us, like in Psalms. He says that, you know, if you draw near to him, he'll draw
01:10:41near to you. If you forsake him, he's going to forsake you. He's a mirror. That's what I
01:10:49think it means. Like, he's not going to put you to shame. If you walk towards him, he will
01:10:54do what he said he's going to do.
01:10:57Yeah. And I think that, I think that's really getting to the point here. And I mean, I mentioned
01:11:03that this was quoting Isaiah 28, 16. And, you know, by asking you what you think shame
01:11:07means, I'm kind of cheating because I could have asked you to read that passage first.
01:11:11And Paul was quoting from the Septuagint. And I think it really means the same thing in
01:11:18the Hebrew. The translations directly from the Hebrew say, whoever believes will not
01:11:23be in haste. But I'm pretty sure that's a colloquialism or an idiom that just means you
01:11:29won't be put to shame. Like somebody who's rushing to get something done because they didn't plan
01:11:34ahead. You know, they're ashamed. But the next verse says, I will cause judgment to be for
01:11:41hope. And my compassion shall be for just measures. And that you will trust. And those
01:11:48that trust vainly in falsehood will fail. But the storm for the storm shall by no means pass by you,
01:11:54except to take away your covenant of death and your trust in Hades shall by no means stand.
01:12:00If the rushing storm could come upon you, you shall be beaten down by it. And what he's saying
01:12:07here is that if, you know, the previous part is talking about Messiah, you know, it says that
01:12:13he's, God is laying in Zion, a costly stone, a precious stone for its foundations. And anyone
01:12:21who believes on him will by no means be ashamed. And if you believe on him, believing unto faithfulness,
01:12:30then God's judgment will be a thing of hope. For those who are not believing in him, who are
01:12:36stumbling over that stone because they didn't believe God's judgment is a thing of fear and shame
01:12:42because they will be held up to the, uh, the standard of Yeshua and say, you don't measure up.
01:12:50You don't come, you don't come anywhere close, no matter how many laws you kept, no matter how good
01:12:54of a citizen you were, you don't measure up because you screwed up and you were not faithful to him.
01:13:00And so you'll be put to shame. But when these storms come and the rushing storm comes upon you
01:13:07and you're beaten down by it, if your faith was in him, you will survive it. This covenant of death
01:13:14will have no power over you. And, you know, Paul alluded to this in a previous chapter too, when he's
01:13:19talking about, you know, being a slave to sin. And he gave the whole analogy about being under a
01:13:24husband and dying to it. That covenant of death is the penalty that you get for violating the
01:13:31covenant of life with God. And when you die with Yeshua, when you go into Hades with him in that
01:13:40spiritual death and are resurrected, it breaks that covenant of death. And now you can face that storm.
01:13:46You can face the storm of God's judgment without any fear, without any shame that you're going to be
01:13:51condemned. Because even though you're not perfect yet, you are still learning. You're still screwing
01:13:57up. You're trying to figure it out. You are trying to be faithful to him and you are trusting in
01:14:03him.
01:14:03And when the final judgment day comes, he's going to be on your side. He will be your advocate instead
01:14:10of your judge. And you will pass the judgment onto eternal life. Whereas those who didn't trust in
01:14:16him will be put to shame and subjected to the second death. Does that make sense?
01:14:24Yeah. Yeah. Good.
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