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00:00Let's be sure to mention your new site, Chris, draftgradebook.com.
00:05Pretty cool to look at.
00:07I mean, it seems like really useful and attractive.
00:09So congrats on that.
00:12Yeah, right.
00:13I mean, this is a cool new step for you.
00:17I'm looking at wide receiver now because that's the law with us.
00:20Yes, we have to talk about it.
00:22And there's Ted Hurst.
00:23And last night on ADP Chasing, the guys were talking about Denzel Boston,
00:27who you have maybe like your 10th receiver.
00:30And Hurst is your fourth highest graded receiver.
00:33And I said, well, here we go again.
00:36Denzel Boston, that's a super cool name.
00:39Ted Hurst is not a cool name.
00:41So he's going to get slighted by the community, and Boston will be overrated.
00:46I'm going with that.
00:47As far as you're concerned, you're not falling for that, Ted Hurst at wide receiver four.
00:51That could be – is 26, if the Bills were so inclined, too early for Ted Hurst?
00:57I personally don't think so.
00:59But you do kind of have to play the game and gather that intel if you're the Bills front office
01:05and ask around the league where a lot of teams have him slotted.
01:10Now, the obvious wrench in the plans here is that the Bills don't have that second-round pick anymore.
01:14And I thought Ted Hurst would be a perfect round two selection.
01:17But there's certainly scenarios where Ted Hurst is available in the third round just because he played at Georgia State.
01:24For the comparisons on my site, I have Ted Hurst as the small school, Des Bryant, so, so similar to
01:30him.
01:30The size, the rebounding ability.
01:32He's legitimately good in contested catch situations.
01:36Very fast, tested very well at the combine.
01:39And Denzel Boston, you, Mike, being a big fantasy guy, will remember this name, reminds me so much of Kenny
01:44Galladay.
01:45He was a good player, and I think he had a 1,000-yard season one year for the Lions.
01:49But is that someone you want to pick at 26 overall?
01:53Probably not.
01:54But it does feel like maybe because playing in the Big Ten, Washington has produced some good receivers the last
01:59couple years,
02:00there's the odds on favorite if we're trying to peg who would be a first-rounder.
02:04It would obviously be Denzel Boston.
02:06I don't hate him as a prospect.
02:07I still think he's in that, you know, round two range, like early to mid-round two range,
02:14where if the Bills were to pick him at 26, it wouldn't be a drastic reach.
02:18But I would just be similar to how I felt about Keon Coleman, but not to the extent of concern.
02:24The separation ability with Boston just is not something that he hangs his hat on.
02:29But he is legit 6'4", 220, and plays to that size.
02:34He really is one of the better rebounders in the class.
02:37Galladay.
02:38What happened to that guy?
02:39His last year is the Day Bowl Giants Coach of the Year season.
02:44Ah, you're right.
02:45And he had six catches playing the full year.
02:49How many thousand-yard seasons did he have?
02:51Two?
02:52I would guess at least two.
02:55Let me see.
02:56He had two in a row for Detroit.
02:58That's the number.
02:5918 and 19.
03:00Bulldog, he's 32.
03:01Is he a free agent idea of the days?
03:03Been out of the league four years.
03:04What do you think?
03:05Kenny Galladay.
03:05Can he still hoop?
03:07Maybe.
03:08What should the Bills' appetite, in your view, Chris, be for drafting a receiver at 26 after
03:15making the move for D.J. Moore?
03:17I mostly have ruled it out.
03:21Not that I wouldn't love them to do it.
03:23I just, with the other needs they have, I wonder if, but now you're mentioning not having that
03:29second-round pick, maybe that would have been the ideal spot to draft a receiver.
03:35But how funny, you gave that up to get the guy that is your number one receiver now.
03:41Would you be surprised if they used their top remaining pick on a receiver at this point?
03:46Is it warranted?
03:47It would be.
03:48I think there absolutely is, it would still be warranted to use an early selection on
03:54a wide receiver.
03:55I think with D.J. Moore, Khalil Shakir, Josh Palmer, Keon Coleman, it's obviously an elevated
04:00group.
04:01But do I think it's great?
04:03Do I think it's even a middle-of-the-pack wide receiver group?
04:06Not really.
04:07What I've been kind of battling with, and obviously every time I'm on this show, any
04:11show, we have to talk wide receiver like Mike mentioned, I've thought a lot about, even
04:18though in the playoffs, the thing that I think almost everyone agrees has been the Achilles
04:23heel is the defense and the inability to get quarterbacks on the ground, the inability to
04:28get the pass breakup on third down, the 33 points a game in the playoff losses.
04:32That's the number one thing that I'm assuming is on the minds of Brandon Bean and maybe
04:37even Jim Leonard, even though he's just new here.
04:39Joe Brady, obviously, is the head coach.
04:41But despite that, Jeremy's been leading the wide receiver train, I think, correctly, because
04:47even though it's been the defense, we, watching every single snap, have been able to tell that
04:54Josh Allen has truly been elevating not just the receiver group, but the entire offense,
05:00and that there were stretches, even in 24, where they scored all those points, and last
05:05year, where they're still right around 30 points a game, where the receiver group was
05:09severely lacking.
05:10And I think I said it when I was on the air last week, that I had a game with
05:15my wife
05:15down the stretch, and then into the playoffs for the Bills, like, we were trying to count
05:20how many catches receivers made who were not named Khalil Shakir.
05:24And, like, any time that there was a Brandon Cooks catch, or a Gabe Davis catch, or a Tyrell
05:30Shavers catch, it was, like, a huge win where we, like, kind of jokingly celebrated because
05:34it just wasn't happening.
05:36And think how crazy that is in today's NFL.
05:38So, I do agree with you, Bulldog, that I think someone like a Cassius Howell, or a Derek
05:45Moore from Michigan, or TJ Parker from Clemson, those edge rushers to round out the defense
05:52is probably legitimately the number one thing that the Bills need, and that will be in their
05:57minds.
05:58But at the same time, I also think things could be a lot easier for the offense and put them
06:04in better situations in the playoffs if they had, if they could roll out three really good
06:10wide receivers in DJ Moore, Khalil Shakir, and then whoever you pick in the first round.
06:15I count 108 wide receiver catches by players not named Shakir in 17 games.
06:21That's, like, a little more than six a game.
06:23I mean, it's a little bit too high a number for a drinking game, I think.
06:27That's true.
06:28Six.
06:29A little bit dangerous.
06:29I think for a drinking game, you want three or four.
06:32This year, I wouldn't touch it because it goes up.
06:35Down the stretch, though, it got very much where there was a few games where, like, Brandon
06:40Cooks had two catches and that was it.
06:41Or, like, Shavers had a catch and Gabe Davis had a catch, where it was like, oh my god, it's
06:46either a throw to the running back, the tight end, or Shakir, and that was it.
06:49Right.
06:49Chris Trapasso, our guest, draftgradebook.com for his new site.
06:56How about Miami and this trade with Denver?
06:58How did they do?
07:01I think they did great.
07:02I mean, I tweeted it right away that, you know, we'll ultimately see what happens and
07:07the actual draft picks, obviously, are what matter most.
07:10But you have to give hats off to the Jets and the Dolphins.
07:14Maybe outside of the Malik Willis signing, even though they didn't pay him a ton, but
07:18their process of rebuilding has been as emphatic and, I think, as by the book as you could possibly
07:25be.
07:25I mean, if you look by the draft trade charts, Denver paid, like, the equivalent of, like,
07:30the 25th or 26th overall pick for Jalen Waddell, which, to some people, that's about what he
07:35costs.
07:36And I can also understand that people are saying that anyone out there who thinks, oh,
07:41well, he's a better receiver than DJ Moore.
07:43Okay, that's fine.
07:44Like, I can understand that, too.
07:45There's some stats you can look at.
07:46You're just a better separator.
07:48He's a year younger.
07:48But the Bills paid roughly the equivalent of pick 64 for DJ Moore.
07:54So my question to that would be, do you really believe that DJ Moore is around worse of a
08:00wide receiver than Jalen Waddell?
08:02I think that gave new perspective on what the Bills paid, which felt like an overpayment.
08:07But I think now, for whatever reason, maybe just because receivers are really important,
08:13it feels like we are pretty entrenched with these two trades.
08:16And then along with the fact that A.J. Brown hasn't been traded, that it is a seller's
08:20market in terms of trading wide receivers, that the teams trading away the wide receivers
08:25can get probably more value than they've ever gotten in the last couple offseasons.
08:29Miami gets a third, too, in that trade.
08:32They flip fourths, but pretty good return.
08:36Mm-hmm.
08:36Yeah, I feel like that is definitely, like, I was sort of rolling my eyes when the offseason
08:40was beginning, Chris, and the Eagles were reportedly looking for a first-round pick for A.J.
08:45Brown with the contract, with whatever extent you believe in the headaches that might come
08:50with him.
08:51And so, like, there's no way.
08:52And then the marketplace has absolutely dictated that that should be the case.
08:58Unlike, you know, just two years ago, we were kind of blown away that Brandon Bean managed
09:03to extract a second-round pick from Houston for Stefan Diggs.
09:06Yeah.
09:07Because the market just doesn't usually roll that way, but it seems like it's changed.
09:13Like, teams are willing to part with premium assets and pay the big contract.
09:17Normally, you don't have to do both, right?
09:19If you're doing the team the favor of taking that contract off their hands, that sort of
09:23buffers what you've got to pay in assets.
09:26But that's not been the case with some of these receivers this year.
09:29No, definitely not.
09:30And for as much as I'm kind of hinting at the idea of I'm still, like, holding out hope
09:36that the Bills could pick a receiver in the first round, which is not what I think they
09:39absolutely need to do.
09:40If they draft a really good edge rusher, it will help.
09:42But I think maybe part of that is the fact that it's a good wide receiver class, but it
09:48is lacking the premier, like, plug this guy in as your wide receiver ones.
09:53Like, the fact that Mekhi Lemon ran pretty slow at the USC Pro Day, like, somewhere in
09:58the 4-5s.
09:59Tarnell Tate, who was supposed to be this burner at Ohio State, who caught everything, the
10:04contested catches are there, all that.
10:05He runs 4-5-3 at the Combine, and then there's all that fiasco of where the hand time numbers
10:12were.
10:12The official electronic time was, like, 4-5-2 or 4-5-3.
10:16So I think there's not that.
10:18That there's usually two to three wide receivers, whether it's Olave and Garrett Wilson, whether
10:25it's Hedero McMillan.
10:26I mentioned Jamar Chase and Neighbors and Harrison.
10:29Like, premier, like, he can be a number one for you in year one, and then by year two,
10:34we're thinking about all-pro characterization.
10:36Typically, I think there is a lot that should be selected between pick 20 and pick 40 in this
10:43class.
10:43So maybe that has kind of dictated these teams selling receivers getting a little bit more
10:48than we all expected.
10:50Chris, a couple of edge rusher prospects for you before we wrap up here.
10:55One is TJ Parker from Clemson.
10:59He's a little bit down your list of edge rushers, but still a pretty good number, it seems.
11:03And I've seen him mocked the Bills a couple of times in the last few days, and I'd be excited
11:08for that because then Bulldog can finally live out his dream of getting a Bills jersey of
11:12an actual player with his name on it so that he can wear out.
11:15And then also, J. Sean Barham of Michigan.
11:18I saw a little buzz about him today.
11:20Yeah, I saw Twitter chatter about him today, too.
11:24I'm not quite as high on Barham from Michigan.
11:27I think he's more of like a day two or early day three pick.
11:31Now, that's not to say that he won't be picked earlier, just where I have him evaluated.
11:35He is your classic just like stand up, rush the passer.
11:39I don't think that he has the power and the pass rushing moves that TJ Parker has.
11:47And TJ Parker was a gigantic recruit at Clemson.
11:50Didn't quite live up to it, but he reminds me just his play on the field, his size, and
11:57his career arc in college reminds me a lot of Rashawn Gary.
12:00That he's like, was this monster recruit and was good, but never like changed the program
12:06completely.
12:07But when you watch him on film, you're like, oh, I can understand.
12:09Like he set the edge there, made a play against the run.
12:12Then on second down, he did a swim move to the inside and won.
12:15I think he would be someone that I think Bills fans could get pretty excited about if they
12:19got him at 26.
12:21I'm slightly a little bit lower on him than that.
12:24But I think just based on where it seems to be that he could be selected, TJ Parker would
12:29make a lot of sense at 26.
12:31Jay Sean Barham, more day two or day three for me.
12:34One other edge guy I wanted to ask you about, because I don't think we've had a chance to
12:37talk about him since the combine.
12:39And if we did, I, whatever, it was a couple, a few weeks ago, the kid from A&M with
12:43the
12:43short arms, Howell.
12:44Yes.
12:45Is this, is this someone that you think would be at 26 a good pick or, because I've seen
12:52him mocked to the Bills a fair amount too.
12:54He had the fastest 10 yard split of any edge rusher at the combine.
12:59So he has extremely short arms, even shorter than Reuben Bain.
13:03It's like in the first percentile since 1999 at edge.
13:07So that is something that will presumably push him right into the Bills wheelhouse in
13:12the late 20s.
13:13But the explosiveness we've heard, I think Brandon Bain's even said it, or just the general
13:19idea of they need more bend and speed.
13:22You guys have talked about it.
13:23That's Cassius Howell's game to a tee.
13:25My comparison for him is Bryce Huff, who I think the Bills certainly know really well.
13:30He was a terrorizing pass rusher on the Jets for a long time.
13:35And it's just that classic standup rush linebacker, who's maybe not going to be tremendous against
13:41the run, but I think in the right system where they're not asking him to do a variety of
13:46things, he can be that eight to 12 sack, 50 to 70 pressure player.
13:50And I think outside a receiver, he might be my favorite idea right now for the Bills, even
13:55with the shorter arms, because last season transferring to Texas A&M, it didn't really hurt
14:01him at all.
14:02There was not, oh man, you see him a ton getting just devoured by these longer arm tackles.
14:07And I think that could be something that we hear Brandon Bain say, that he's glad that
14:10he measured in with shorter arms, because it got Cassius Howell to number 26 overall.
14:15Well, I guess probably Kenny Galladay is not a realistic or plausible idea.
14:20T.Y.
14:21Hilton is officially no longer such, as he has just announced his retirement.
14:26And he also played last four years ago.
14:29So who knows with these guys?
14:30He just announced his retirement this second?
14:32Like five minutes ago.
14:34Wow.
14:35I know.
14:36He hasn't played in four years.
14:38I don't think it long happened.
14:39Did he, was he here for a minute?
14:42Bulldog?
14:42I don't think so.
14:44It was an idea a couple of times.
14:47Okay.
14:48I think, but I don't.
14:49Well, that's dead.
14:50I don't think that it ever got to like, you know, he might be coming.
14:53Not even like Colton Pareko.
14:55No, not even that far.
14:57Right.
14:57No cup of coffee.
14:58Not even the Darius Slay level.
14:59And it looks like, not to be like reporting during an interview, but it looks like Logan
15:03Wilson is retiring from the NFL, which was a Bills linebacker idea.
15:07Maybe that's why.
15:07I just saw that as well.
15:09Yeah.
15:09Very good, Chris.
15:11Again, the new site, draftgradebook.com.
15:14Check it out.
15:14Thanks for your time.
15:15We'll talk again next week.
15:16All right, guys.
15:17Thanks a lot.
15:18Bye.
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