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La Confessione 3 - Carlo Lucarelli - 11_01_2025
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La Confessione 3 - Carlo Lucarelli - 11_01_2025
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00:00Carlo Lucarelli was born in Parma in 1960. After graduating from classical high school, he wrote his first detective story
00:08carte blanche in 1990, but the great success came with Almost Blue in 1996 and above all
00:16with the TV debut of Mistero Blue in 1997, which the following year became Blue Notte Misteri
00:23Italians. Screenwriter, television and radio host, he has won numerous awards over the years.
00:29literary. With his wife Iodit, of Eritrean origin, and their two twin daughters, he lives
00:35in Mordano, in the province of Bologna. Great-grandson of Antonio Meucci, he is a great enthusiast.
00:41of music and always wears black, the uniform of the crime writer. Welcome Carlo. Thank you. So
00:48I would start from here, from a myth. This is Andrea Camilleri. You said, Andrea Camilleri
00:54He is one of the greatest Italian writers between these two centuries. They should have
00:59give him the Nobel Prize. Yes, definitely yes. He wrote a lot of beautiful things and above all he is
01:05One of the greatest storytellers. A perfect example of how to tell a story, of pleasure.
01:10What do you have in telling a story? It's an enlightenment from this point of view. Yes, the Nobel Prize, maybe.
01:15they had given him. She wrote a book with Camilleri,
01:18Keep your mouth shut. It's a four-handed novel. But how do you write with a genius, a giant?
01:23of this type, a four-handed novel? A chapter each? Oh no. In fact, when
01:27They proposed it to me and I said, it's impossible, what do I do? I sit there with him and then I say,
01:30No, Andrea, rewrite it because this isn't right, of course. It's just that he made it up.
01:34him. I was talking to him about this project, about a publisher. I said it was impossible and he...
01:39He told me, wait. He was doing it for me. He went over there, he took a book that was a book
01:43of materials, it was a detective story, in which an investigator sent a series of materials to his assistant
01:50to explain what had happened. And he said, let's do this. I'll write a chapter and you
01:54I'll send it, you write a chapter and send it to me. And then I took, on letterhead of the
01:59police station that I had stolen during Bruno, and I wrote to him, thanks to Negro, everything prescribed,
02:04my protagonist, thanks to Negro, who says, dear Salvo Montalbano, help me because there is
02:09A case I can't investigate, I don't want to, I wouldn't want to. And I get a letter from Montalbano.
02:14that I'm written, no, of course not. So I call him and say, Andrea, sorry, but if not
02:18You wanted to do this thing, you just had to say, no, wait. And then I get a Sicilian canolo,
02:23green, because he had been away for three weeks, with a note inside. And in the note it was written,
02:28you're crazy to write to me on letterhead, something like that, let's exchange clues in a
02:34Another way. I sent him a cabaret of tortellini then. And that's how this thing started.
02:38That's what you do with Camideri, you follow him. Brilliant. Brilliant. Listen, TV helps novels once in a while.
02:44Think of The Name of the Rose. Umberto Eco said that eight out of ten people who owned the book
02:50At home, they'd actually only seen the movie. Is that true? Did that happen to you too?
02:57Oh God, no, because I wasn't that lucky, obviously. The Name of the Rose is a beautiful film,
03:02with a lot of... all the things made from my things are very beautiful, I liked them,
03:05but obviously we're not at those levels. But it's true, it's true that it's easier to look
03:11than reading. Not that it's nicer, better, right? It's different obviously. But definitely
03:16It's easier now. But not the movie. Now the novel's real cousin
03:21It's a TV series. A novel in a movie doesn't fit. But it can fit in a season.
03:25of a television series.
03:27Can you explain something to me about detective novels? How do you write a detective novel? Is it true that you start at the end?
03:31No, they said that in Agatha Christie's time. I have no idea what's going to happen.
03:35when I write, absolutely. In fact, I usually feel like writing something that should
03:41tell a story that seems important to me, many things. But on the detective plot I build
03:46a mystery that is as mysterious as possible, that I like, that I wonder, if I read it
03:52I would ask myself and then how it goes on and then I go forward page by page.
03:55But he was talking about series before. Now when he writes I think a little that it could become
04:00a series. No, that would be a mistake, I say this to all aspiring writers, if we want,
04:05what do they say but I wrote it because you write something now and maybe they'll make the series
04:09In four years. Before they notice you, read it, sign you, make it.
04:14write, etc. In four years, maybe the world will have changed and they won't care anymore.
04:17Nothing of what you wrote. So you might as well write what's inside you,
04:21The series might eventually arrive. Now let's see its television debut in 1998.
04:27What we are telling you this evening is a particularly mysterious case. One of those
04:31cases that make us understand how reality has nothing to envy the imagination of the most
04:36diabolical detective novel. Like all true news stories that seem
04:41Yellow, this one also does something special. It opens a window onto an unknown world.
04:46Or rather, it opens a window onto the dark side of a world that we thought we knew and instead
04:51It's not quite like that and it scares us a little. She said, my adolescence took place
04:56between the 70s and 80s, therefore in an Italy full of inexplicable events. I went through
05:02the era of the great Italian mysteries. Is that where your passion for mystery comes from?
05:08Well, definitely yes, partly from that too. When I was a kid I read a lot of
05:13detective novels that I liked. I liked the idea of telling a mysterious story but without
05:18I can tell you everything right away. But it's true that we have lived, even now, for sure.
05:23Maybe we realize it less, but then we have lived, let's open the newspaper
05:26and there was someone killed every time. Bombs went off. I live in a city like
05:31Bologna has at least three associations dedicated to three massacres that occurred and at least three are missing
05:36two more. So you were definitely impressed. I remember the first time I saw that
05:41stuff. I went to the cinema and I saw, I'm scared, Damiano Damiani I think, with
05:46a beautiful volunteer who told those dynamics. He was a kid. When I was
05:51I saw it in a cinema in San Marino where my parents were, two San Marino kids
05:55They said things that happen in Italy. But I came out saying, damn, it's true,
06:00These incredible things happen where I live. And yes, they've piqued my curiosity.
06:06Listen, you are a master at telling this crime story and you have been doing it for ten years
06:11on Rai 3 Blue Note. Then at a certain point it stopped airing. Why?
06:16To be honest, I don't know. He didn't call me to say, "Look, let's close."
06:20They didn't call me anymore and so it ended there. It's a bit like when a car breaks down
06:24relationship doesn't call you anymore.
06:27Now you would say, he was enjoyed.
06:29I was gobbled up, I think. But I don't know, I think there were a lot of problems, but maybe
06:35also, so to speak, it's there in the editorial. They wanted to do something else. The fact
06:40The thing is, they haven't called me anymore. That's okay.
06:42According to the blog of Massimo Emanuelli, DJ and music critic, Lucarelli lives in an old
06:4715th-century castle. Why does he live or used to live in a castle?
06:51Because my family had been there for a while. I went to Parma, I went
06:55in Fenza, then we reunited in Mordano where part of my family was. It's not a
06:59castle. Mordano was a castle. Then it was destroyed because during
07:05I don't remember which siege, it was the only town that resisted the French who were arriving
07:10in the fifteenth century. The people of Mordano wanted to surrender. The French didn't care about taking
07:15the Mordano, but a Mordanese gunner had the idea of firing a shot
07:19They fired a culverin at a Frenchman and got angry. They destroyed everything except a torii.
07:24and my house, let's say, and the church. Well, that's why it looks like a castle.
07:27Emanuelli says something else, that if she sleeps alone in the summer, she sleeps with a gun.
07:34on the nightstand. But that's not true. No, but we'll miss him. I'm having two little girls, of course.
07:39that there's a loaded gun lying around. Oh, the damage control. No, I have a shooting license.
07:45because my father was a collector, my second father. To give me and therefore to hold
07:49I have to do a few things about him like this. About his second father, I read
07:53This story. His father is Count Gaetano Manzoni Borghese. I think he's that Manzoni, a relative.
08:00Yes, yes. Significant. And he was a gun collector. Yes. But I read that in 2013 he was...
08:07arrested and then tried for arms trafficking. What had happened? Yes. No, actually Gaetano,
08:13precisely, who passed away not long ago, unfortunately he was a weapons collector
08:18at a European level. Since he was a child, he had collected weapons. In San Marino, of course,
08:22where other laws, other situations. And it was the... He had a collection of modern weapons
08:28of San Marino, the museum of modern weapons of San Marino, one of the largest there was.
08:32Plus he had an armory in San Marino. And... I don't want to defend him or
08:38condemn him, but there was probably some mess. Not arms trafficking,
08:43Obviously. These are much, much more... Some administrative mess between San Marino
08:49and Italy. And he was there. I don't understand. She often repeats in the interview that she has
08:53A very boring life. To me, it seems rather adventurous.
08:57Well, oh my God, what do we mean? Well, there are people who live lives... I always say this
09:02What's this? I live in a house where, when you walk down the hallway, sometimes, doors open wide.
09:07the closets. And one... Or a distant light comes on, in the dark, tic, you know, in a room
09:14where there's no one. A door opens.
09:16But do you believe in ghosts?
09:17Here, exactly. There are two possibilities. Either it's thermodynamics. It's clear that you're walking on...
09:22beams, right? On beamed floors and therefore the vibrations cause the
09:26doors. The light down there stopped coming on when we renovated
09:30the electrical system, for example. Or else they're ghosts. Which, no problem, they're people.
09:35family, I would also like to meet...
09:37Which of the two versions do you prefer?
09:40Well, I believe in the first one, definitely. Thermodynamics. That's why I say life is boring.
09:45But if I met a family ghost every now and then, I would ask him two or three questions.
09:49I'd love that.
09:50So, let's move on to mysteries, not family mysteries, but Italian mysteries. Look here.
09:55Milan, Friday 12 December 1969, 4:37 p.m. A bomb explodes in the headquarters of the Bank
10:04National Agriculture Museum, in Piazza Fontana. It's a massacre. Investigators are pursuing
10:09immediately what will later be called the red track. Certain information has arrived
10:15to the political offices of the Police regarding the terrorist activity of an anarchist group
10:20called March 22. Two of the most famous exponents are a professional dancer Pietro
10:26Valpreda and a former fascist Mario Merlino, former follower of Stefano Delle Chiaie, who today
10:32in Spain he leads the fascists who fled from Italy.
10:36This is the mystery of mysteries, we have partly understood many things, it is a massacre
10:40of neo-fascist origin, etc. But she said one thing. She said, it struck me
10:47something about the Piazza Fontana massacre, that sort of myth surrounding it. In what sense?
10:52myth about the massacre?
10:53The myth we have regarding all the so-called Italian mysteries, whatever mysteries they may be. Piazza
10:58Fontana, you know nothing. I remember that I dealt with these things also for that
11:03reason there, because everyone said and we said, ah we don't know anything. I remember one of my
11:08friend, when talking about the Bologna massacre, I'm talking about the years in which I made the broadcast,
11:12so not in 1980, once he told me, ah Bologna has never been heard of. And I
11:17At first I said, you're right. Then I thought about it, I said, what? How come it's not…
11:20Have you ever heard anything? We know a lot. We have a lot of truth about Piazza Fontana.
11:26judicial and historical to be able to tell it. The myth surrounding these stories here is that they do not
11:31Let's not know anything. No, no, we know, just tell us. Oh yes, but there's another
11:36This is a story that is still being discussed and I would like you to tell me something about it. At the beginning
11:42let's say I understood, I sensed that there was something behind this simple explanation
11:51of the explosion of the plane for technical reasons which could lead me to a much more truth
11:58serious for the country. It is in these six years that the rubber wall has developed, that is
12:04that is to say, the news that was published fell on deaf ears, bounced back,
12:11no one answered.
12:12This is Ustica, the Italian plane, according to a civil sentence hit by a missile,
12:19On the criminal side, however, it's not so clear. However, there is state secrecy and she said more
12:26times that he would abolish it. Why all this state secrecy in Italy?
12:31Because probably behind everything that happened there are things that concern
12:36not people who were there then and are there now, but maybe people who are there now
12:42but they were dealing with people of that time, maybe they are not political children. Sometimes it is
12:48also the same method that remains the same in Italy, to under-govern Italy in a
12:52In a certain way. Now, abolishing secrecy means bringing to light some flaws. That is what he said.
12:57These are things from 50 years ago, we always talk about this stuff every now and then. So it makes me say
13:02But who cares? I once did a... who cares what happens,
13:06They have consequences. I once gave a lecture on colonialism and a little boy
13:09he raised his hand and said to me, what do I care about this stuff? It wasn't
13:13born
13:13My dad, my grandfather wasn't born either, and I wasn't born. What do I have to do with this?
13:17Stuff? Oh no, it has something to do with it. Because we keep carrying it around. So here it is.
13:21why can't state secrecy be abolished, why does it still have something to do with it?
13:25manner. In fact, one thing struck me, from Conte to Renzi everyone said or said
13:30that they would have opened the drawers, the archives, etc. and then we knew little or nothing.
13:36There are no drawers, there are no archives, the Prime Minister lied.
13:40I don't know, I remember that when Marroni became Minister of the Interior for example,
13:45he said this thing here, he said we will open the secret service drawers and I remember
13:49Someone who knew a bit about it told me if he could find the drawers. Here's the problem.
13:53That's it, it's hard to find the drawers. Let's get to more cheerful things. This is a
13:59punk and why is she a punk? Because I know she was a punk as a kid. Looking at her
14:06Today you wouldn't say so. But what did he have? A crest? Yes, he had a little crest, not exactly.
14:10an exaggerated crest. But that's what happens to many punks. Their hair falls out and grows
14:16your belly, at that point you no longer have the physique for the role. So you have to put on a little
14:20in a different way. But yes, I was. I liked it, I liked it a lot.
14:23But she always wears black because black makes you slimmer or because it suits the writer.
14:28who writes about mystery? There are three reasons, in fact. One thing Raldo Baldini says,
14:32Another great noir writer. We're dressed like this because it's actually a bit of a uniform.
14:36of the noir writer. And then it's black and lean, they say, the dialect we Romans have. In fact
14:42This is what we need. We were saying before that she is the great-granddaughter of Antonio Meucci, the inventor
14:47of the telephone. Yes, distantly obviously, I don't know what it is, great-grandfather of a great-grandfather,
14:54of a cousin, all that kind of thing. But I really like this idea. Meucci is
14:58A wonderful character. He knows that Americans say he is not the inventor.
15:03of the phone. I know, but they also recognized, the American Parliament, in short the Congress
15:09he acknowledged this thing to Meucci, because Meucci invented some fundamental things
15:12which are the vibrating membrane, the soft membrane that makes it transmit, while
15:18Bella hadn't arrived yet. When Meucci didn't patent it that year because he didn't…
15:23he has money, that's why I like Meucci, because he's a big and wonderful loser,
15:28very Italian in this, very poor thing, I say it with all the affection possible, a tramp,
15:33like us. Bell arrives, who obviously has the money, and steals the invention.
15:37My Tuscan relatives, closest to Meucci, are still calculating, even my father
15:41he already has this, calculating how much money we would have if they had recognized our invention
15:46of the telephone. Well, he did make some money with his novels, though.
15:49Yes, yes, but I'm calm, I'm fine too, after all.
15:52Let's get back to current events. Let's see what happened in Bologna on November 9th.
16:11This was the Casa Pound demonstration in Bologna. She said, we must free ourselves.
16:17by 300 Blackshirts who come to march in Bologna. And he added that there is a fascism
16:222.0 on a global level. In what sense? Well, I think that's what we see. There was a good
16:30film, I don't remember what it was called, in which there was this fascist, racist American
16:36who was talking to someone else and saying, you shouldn't dress like that anymore. They were the backs of the
16:40others, Nazi skinheads all like this, we shouldn't dress like this anymore. We have long hair,
16:44We must appear to be something else. But we say the same things as before. So, fascism
16:492.0 is a bit like this. Maybe people who, let's leave Casa Pound aside, who tell you
16:53who are fascists. Because objectively, Casa Pound are marginal.
16:57Yes, but they go and tell you and that's fine. But we have a lot of people who say
17:01Fascist, I'm not, of course. But then there are the same ideas. On a global level, what?
17:05It's happening now, that many world leaders are making speeches. In short, there is a need to have
17:10fear. Now, being right in Bologna, which is a city that has a hole in the station
17:15of August 2nd, which is a fascist massacre because that's how it is, which has the sacrament of
17:20partisans, which is such an anti-fascist city. And holding a parade like that
17:25there, well, it's a bit out there.
17:28Now, listen to these words. They are the words of Giorgia Meloni.
17:32As I have said many times and I repeat, I think that those who have racist, anti-Semitic feelings
17:40or nostalgic, simply having made the wrong choice of home. Why these feelings
17:46They are incompatible with the Brothers of Italy. They are incompatible with the Italian right.
17:53The words she uses seem very clear. Do you agree? Giorgia Meloni has nothing to do with it.
17:58what to do with fascism?
18:00Well, I don't know Giorgia Meloni herself that well, I mean, and I can
18:05think also yes, very well. It is true however that many of the people, in short, who are
18:10there, probably with people there too, they come from that thing there. So, you should
18:14take, we have the interviews with the very young Giorgia Meloni, no, who talks about
18:19Mussolini. We certainly have people in the Brothers of Italy and in other parties who
18:23They still have those things there. So, either you distance yourself from something and declare yourself
18:29anti-fascist. In your opinion, aren't the words you use here sufficient? Because you
18:33She says no to racism, no to nostalgia. Is that clear to you?
18:38Yes, but words like that, since, it's not that I defend, I only attack a culture
18:44and not another one, even ours, even the one I come from, there are a lot of
18:47problems, but we're not talking about that now.
18:50Stalin's 20 million deaths would answer that.
18:54Okay, we can talk about it. Obviously, you can't talk at the same time.
18:57of both things, otherwise you don't talk about anything. But your path comes from
19:02one thing. Racism, violence, dictatorship, anti-Semitism belong to a
19:08moment in your history. Because there they were. The social reason for fascism was
19:12exactly that. So, either take a clear distance, but take a distance
19:17It means to say I'm against that stuff. So I'm against fascism, it's said.
19:20Anti-fascist. It's not enough to say no, but I'm good now. She says there's no more room.
19:26Very good. But this means I'm anti-fascist. Like others from other political parties,
19:34mine too, to distance oneself from certain errors of history, certain ugliness of
19:39history, it means for example I am not a Stalinist, I am anti-Stalinist.
19:43Okay? Can I say that?
19:44But he is not anti-communist.
19:47Because it's different. I agree with what Pertini said, with what
19:51Professor Barbero said. There is a difference. That is, if I ask someone, a genuine philosopher
19:57fascist, Jews are like us, blacks are like us, tolerance is needed, violence
20:04you ban, they tell you no. Because this is my philosophy. If I go and ask a
20:10Communist, tells you something else. It would be like saying, I'm anti-Christian because they burned
20:15witches? No, because that wasn't Christianity. So I can tell you that
20:20Stalin was not communism. Even though I'm not a communist, just to say, if anything...
20:24I am much more moderate, but Stalin was not a communist.
20:28Speaking of the left, I can't tell you Mussolini wasn't a fascist.
20:32Yes. Here. Speaking of the left, you are a friend of Stefano Bonaccini, and you said you voted for him.
20:37in the primaries, but also to be friends with Eli Schlein. But I have a question. Party
20:43left. All the polls say that the PD gets many votes among graduates,
20:48The elderly and the wealthy, and very few votes among the poor. What kind of left is this?
20:53No, in fact I ask myself that too. If one then has to talk about the bad things that happen...
20:58in his house, he certainly talks about this. It's true that we stopped, we then, I
21:03It's not that I'm an activist, but anyway, we've stopped talking about work
21:09in such a concrete way. Maybe we're starting again now, but before we stopped.
21:14But it's not that he talked so much about anti-fascism because he didn't talk so little about social rights
21:19or was it not credible in the eyes of the poor?
21:22Well, we need to talk about both things. I don't know why one has to talk about one thing.
21:26alone, I mean, we are a multitasker from this point of view. Anti-fascism does not
21:30is that it is a different thing from fighting for the poor, because fascism was exactly
21:35That was to keep poor people submissive. The war between the poor, which often takes place,
21:40so the missing money must be financed by things that we take away from the poor and not that we take away
21:46the rich, well, that's anti-fascist.
21:49Let's go through an episode that certainly made her happy.
21:53You have chosen a historical setting in this novel, which is also very interesting and very
21:57successful in its performance. How did you prepare to explore an environment you were unfamiliar with before?
22:07Well, I went there in the meantime.
22:08Oh, did you actually go there?
22:09Yes, yes, I went there with colossal ignorance.
22:12Did you go to Eritrea?
22:13I went to Eritrea, at first I was convinced that Eritrea and Ethiopia were the same
22:17what, I confess to abysmal ignorance.
22:19So you were right at ground zero.
22:21I went to look on the map and said, look, if I had gone to Eritrea
22:24I would have been arrested if I passed through Ethiopia.
22:28Why does this video make him happy? Because I know that after this interview on
22:33his book on Eritrea, she actually ends up marrying his wife.
22:38Yes, yes, exactly at the same time. Because I had gone there, they had put me in a hotel,
22:42My wife worked at the desk of that hotel there and so I find myself in front of it, as I go
22:47there for that, a person, Eritrea, who tells me, you are the one who wrote the book
22:51about Eritrea? Yes, but look how nice, interesting, we chat, we exchange emails, from what
22:56Something is about to happen. Yes, well, I know that you told your wife then, 'I'm not getting married, I'm not living together.'
23:00and I don't have children. Now you are married, you live together, you have two beautiful twins. As Whitman said,
23:06I'm broad, so I contradict myself, or am I an idiot? But I'm an idiot, for sure.
23:12Most likely I just wanted to do that thing and I'm happy with how it turned out.
23:16life went on. I just did, I remember telling her, listen, little girl,
23:20just a little girl, welcoming her. So, imagine, I'm an idiot, but of course.
23:24Speaking of Gialli, now I'll show you his father, Guido Lucarelli, a highly respected hematologist.
23:32fame. His father, as is known, was accused of the deaths of nine patients at the hospital of
23:37Pesaro. According to the prosecution, between 1997 and 1998, nine people were not killed by the
23:45blood disorders for which they were being treated, but from hepatitis B. Sentenced for
23:52manslaughter, the sentence is then overturned by the Supreme Court. He tells me this
23:56history?
23:57Yes, yes. Then he was acquitted, my father was followed. The mystery of his whereabouts still remains.
24:01Question mark. It's a case of medical malpractice, but we don't know how it happened.
24:05It's the story that suddenly in my father's hospital, which is an elite hospital of
24:09Your Excellency, my father, he too, should have the Nobel, in my opinion, because he is one of the
24:15inventors, if not the inventor of bone marrow transplantation, then a very important figure.
24:20In that wonderful hospital, a series of patients begin to die. In two moments
24:26different. They get sick with the same virus, a virus I can't really define right now, anyway.
24:31they get sick from the same thing that comes from a patient's transfusion, but at a distance,
24:37in a way that is impossible for it to happen so normally. That is not a hospital where
24:41They use the same syringes. We're talking about a hospital where nothing has ever happened.
24:46So we wonder what happened, there are many hypotheses. Experimentation, I'm talking about...
24:50My point of view. Experimentation, no, because it's not done that way. So, bad health, no, because
24:55It doesn't happen like that. One of our ideas was, you want to see that someone sabotaged it because
25:01Is it something you have against the hospital? And in fact you said it on television, look.
25:05To get to the bottom of this mystery, we asked for help in conducting the investigation.
25:11to a writer, to a very particular crime novelist who until now had never wanted to deal with
25:19This case. Try to imagine that someone did it on purpose to damage the hospital,
25:23that is, that there was sabotage. So, when I'm told this hypothesis...
25:29about the sabotage, I was perplexed at first. There may be objections, but how did they do it?
25:35to commit sabotage? But above all, why commit sabotage in that hospital? Who wants to?
25:40Kill nine people? And why do they want to kill nine people?
25:45Here, she talks about it, a name also emerges, she also mentions the name of a nurse, whose name
25:52it ends up in the newspapers and then this nurse kills himself.
25:55Yes, then I, Minoli above all, and then I too are linked for what we said.
26:00Because we weren't actually saying what they were linking us to. No, yes, it happens,
26:06That's another victim, the famous stretcher bearer, I don't remember his name exactly. He comes
26:11accused at one point by another nurse who says, he was the one who did this kind of
26:16situations. I repeat, not to kill but, most likely, to disgrace, term
26:22technician, the hospital. Then the matter goes further, because they hadn't taken into consideration
26:27probably what would have really happened, giving infected transfusions to people who are
26:32sick, no, in that situation there.
26:35No, I understand that, but I wonder, how did you feel when you heard the news?
26:39of this gentleman who killed himself?
26:41Well, it's bad obviously, it's ugly, because I don't know if he had anything to do with it, if it was him, it would be
26:46It was important to know this. He killed himself on the eve of the meeting with the magistrate, when
26:51the magistrate says, okay, come and let's see what you have to say about these rumors that are going around.
26:57No, they're bringing you in. That's why I say he's a victim, he kills himself too,
27:00Poor thing, he's killing himself. Then again, I'm a crime writer, I'm used to thinking badly, the situation
27:05It's a bit particular, he is found in sin, which he touches on the ground, like in many
27:08situations, but let's leave it, these are our things, if we want, as crime writers, it would be
27:12It would have been nice to investigate that too, it would have been nice to investigate that. But, of course
27:17which obviously makes me sad, also because when someone dies, when they commit suicide, I want
27:24that is, he disappears from the investigation. And the mysteries remain mysteries.
27:30Thank you, thank you Carlo Lucarelli for this long and interesting interview. It has arrived.
27:36It's time for confession. I'll leave her alone now. She has a minute, looking in
27:42room, to say something he would have liked to say, but never said, to Andrea Camilleri.
27:47Oh, what a beautiful thing. I have so many things to say to Andrea Camilleri. There are some
27:56intellectuals that we miss because maybe I never met them, but I would have
28:00I liked asking him some things. I wanted to ask him what he thinks about what's happening.
28:04Now, what should we do, how do we tell this story? But above all, I miss
28:12this, I got along well with Andrea Camilleri, in fact I wrote a book together
28:18to him, I can't say I'm a close friend of his of course, as many may have
28:21I said it after his death, but I spent a lot of time with him, but above all we did a lot of things
28:26of laughter, because Camilleri told the stories and made me laugh. A couple of times
28:30I made him laugh too and it's wonderful to see one of your heroes laughing. I now
28:35I would like to meet him again to tell him about a gentleman who was, it's a story he told
28:42my friend Eraldo Baldini in the Sixties in San Pancrazio di Romagna and who told
28:47of a collision between two cyclists who are riding one way and not the other and crash
28:52together. And he tells it, I don't know how to do the Romagna deletto, with those hyperbole from
28:56narrator, those hyperboles like that, and he tells him one of the two had the plane, he carried
29:02the slippers, which is already impossible, but it helps the narrator. They didn't find them.
29:07Never again. What a blow. Now, this is the hyperbole, the narrator's invention.
29:13that serves to make you earn something. I'm sure that would have given a wonderful laugh.
29:17if I had told him this thing. I miss him, damn it. One day, I'll
29:22I also believe that we will meet again, I'll tell you this story here.
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