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00:00Hello and welcome to Catching Up with the Royals, the show that never complains but always explains.
00:05With me, Richard Coles.
00:07And me, Emily Andrews.
00:08On today's show, we're discussing King Charles' upcoming state visit to America
00:12and whether the monarch should pull out of his plans to spend time with Donald Trump.
00:16Do you think that the king is a sort of political asset in terms of our relationship with Trump's White
00:23House?
00:23Because if there's one person that President Trump does listen to, it's King Charles.
00:28And amid reports that Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie are being phased out of public facing royal duties,
00:35we look at what's really going on behind the scenes at the palace as the firm decides what the future
00:39holds for the sisters.
00:41Should Princess Beatrice and Princess Eugenie lose their princess title?
00:45I don't know, it just makes me think of the Sopranos.
00:48But the sins of the parents shouldn't really be visited on the children.
00:51But the question is perhaps that did they, as adults, were they involved in poor decisions?
00:57Plus, with the fallout for the Prince Andrew scandal continuing to cast a shadow over the monarchy,
01:03we ask whether Harry and Meghan should consider a return.
01:08If their sort of options to create the life they want from their business interests are kind of narrowing down
01:13a little bit,
01:14then what is their role?
01:16I mean, some people have suggested that this is them advertising themselves to come back to the royal family.
01:30Welcome to Catching Up With The Royals, and we're going to talk about Commonwealth Day.
01:35Commonwealth Day, right?
01:36Commonwealth Day.
01:38There they were, Charles and Camilla, William and Catherine.
01:42Everybody's singing the national anthem except the king.
01:44That song he's sung all his life, he never gets to sing it now because they sing it to him,
01:47don't they?
01:47No, and there were some excellent curtsies from the Princess of Wales.
01:51She's a good curtsier.
01:51She's a good curtsier because when you see the monarch for the first time that day,
01:56you have to either bow or curtsy.
01:58And so she curtsied to the king and then kissed him.
02:02Actually, she kissed him and then curtsied.
02:03And then she waited until the queen caught her eye and then curtsied to the queen as well.
02:08What a pro.
02:09She is a pro, isn't she?
02:10I mean, I did feel that the Commonwealth Service, I mean,
02:12obviously it was very important to the late queen as was the second.
02:14I wonder if it has as vibrant a future in the new regime as it did under the last one.
02:21I don't know.
02:22Well, it's a good question because those of us in the royal reporting world were kind of looking towards Monday
02:27as, you know, the first appearance of the senior royals since Prince Andrew's rest, etc, etc.
02:32And it was an opportunity for the pressure group Republic to vociferously protest outside Westminster Abbey.
02:40Richard is raising his eyebrows to heaven if you're listening to the podcast.
02:45Well, Republicans are going to Republican, right?
02:47Republicans are going to Republican.
02:48And there was a lot.
02:49But what's been interesting is that they've been increasing in number and in volume at these things.
02:53I mean, famously at the coronation, they were arrested.
02:56But so it was a big day for the royals and big day, obviously, for the 14 other realms of
03:00the Commonwealth,
03:01whose representatives were also their prime ministers, etc.
03:04But does anyone really care, Richard?
03:08Because it was important for the royals and important for the late Queen.
03:11Does Janice in Yorkshire care?
03:13I care.
03:14But then I feel like J.R. Hartley fly fishing.
03:16I mean, I like these old sort of oldie worldie things.
03:19It's interesting as we look for a way of reintegrating ourselves into a world order that's been disrupted.
03:24I don't hear lots of people thinking the Commonwealth might be.
03:27I think perhaps it belongs.
03:28Also, the whole echo of empire in it doesn't really work now.
03:33I'm more interested in William and Catherine going off on their individual engagements.
03:39They were.
03:40They were separated.
03:41Well, because there aren't many senior royals left, are there?
03:44And so now they are actually, I think, next week doing an engagement together for the RNLI.
03:51But this last week, they devised in Concord.
03:57William went to Cornwall for St. Piran's Day, to celebrate St. Piran's Day.
04:00And Catherine went to Leicester.
04:03Interesting.
04:03It never occurred to me, because if you're running out of senior royals,
04:06you have to sort of spread them out a bit, right?
04:08Yeah, I think you do.
04:09Catherine, visiting the gold mine in Leicester, ostensibly to celebrate Holy.
04:14They didn't fling the colours around.
04:16They fling the colours around.
04:17Not at her.
04:18Not at her.
04:19But she was wearing white.
04:19I did think that was an interesting colour choice.
04:24But obviously, her team had prepped her that she was not going to have colour thrown at her.
04:28Because I've celebrated Holy.
04:30Me too.
04:30I mean, did you end up completely multicoloured?
04:33It's brilliant.
04:34All the dye and the paint.
04:35Yeah, that was not for Catherine in her white outfit.
04:38And you're joining the celebrations of Hindu people.
04:40You're joining the celebrations of people who live in Britain and come from different places.
04:43That's front and centre with William and Catherine, isn't it?
04:46It is.
04:46Well, but it is also with the king.
04:48With the king, of course.
04:49Oh, so it's kind of continuing that thing.
04:50And then, obviously, in Cornwall, you had William doing something much more kind of being much more down with the
04:57people.
04:58Because there he was in a farm that makes traditional Cornish pasties.
05:03He actually made the Cornish pasties with one of the owners of the farm.
05:07And then he, this was all prearranged, by the way.
05:08Of course.
05:09He then went to go and he went to the counter where members of the public can come to the
05:12farm and buy the pasties.
05:14And he was selling the pasties.
05:15And then the phone rang.
05:17And he said to somebody, oh, shall I answer that?
05:19And they were like, yeah, okay, go ahead.
05:20I mean, I don't think this bit was prearranged.
05:21So he answered the phone.
05:23And a lady was worried that she wouldn't get enough pasties.
05:27She was ordering 15.
05:28And it was St. Pyrrhen's Day.
05:29She was worried that they would sell out.
05:30And he's like, and he was taking her order.
05:33And he said, what's your name?
05:34And you see the clip.
05:36It's very funny.
05:37He said, Juicy?
05:37Juicy?
05:38Oh, sorry, Josie.
05:40And then later on, Josie turned up to pick up her pre-ordered pasties and had not realised at all
05:45that she was on the phone to the heir of the throne.
05:47And actually said he was slightly incoherent.
05:49And she was worried that she wouldn't get these pasties.
05:53But a pro moment, right?
05:54It was a very pro moment.
05:55But what I think is interesting is that, of course, it shows William as being just like one of us,
06:00Richard.
06:01He too can serve pasties to...
06:04Something for the blooper reel.
06:05Juicy.
06:06Absolutely juicy.
06:07A little bit for the blooper reel, a little bit for the social media.
06:10Juicy, Josie.
06:11I don't think that was contrived.
06:12But certainly the kind of those pictures and the images of him of being just like us, just one of
06:18us, selling the pasties.
06:20You sort of like, you compare and contrast that with Commonwealth Day, very serious, everybody on parade.
06:27I mean, which sort of royalty does...
06:30Well, William could do both, can't he?
06:31Well, I think that's it, isn't it?
06:32You need to be multi-skilled in this, I think.
06:35On the one hand, you've got to stand around in garter robes, looking like something Gil and Sullivan.
06:39On the other hand, you've got to feel that you can connect with people because both actually are important.
06:43I've got a question for you.
06:45Does he get to eat the pasty?
06:47He does get to eat the pasty.
06:49And I'm sure...
06:49Do you eat the whole pasty?
06:50I, on camera, when I've seen him offered stuff or like, you know, he really likes cider.
06:55Prince William loves a pint of cider.
06:57I remember being at a cider farm with him in Cornwall and he was actually quite disappointed.
07:02He said, I'll just take a sip, you know, for the pictures.
07:05And then the guy said, oh, we'll send you home with something.
07:08He's like, brilliant.
07:08I love cider.
07:09So he will have a taste or a sip, a bit like, you know, King Charles.
07:12You'll often see him having a sip of a pint of Guinness if he's visited a factory.
07:17But only a sip or a taste because otherwise, if you ate all that pasty, what would happen?
07:21You'd be 26 stone.
07:22Exactly.
07:23And no one wants to see Prince William weigh 26 stone.
07:26But I also thought what was interesting was that Catherine, when she was in Leicester,
07:30she watched some pro Bollywood dancing, a very impressive dancing.
07:34But then later in the Hindu temple, she was invited to dance and she said, oh, go on then.
07:40Would she have been warned of that in advance?
07:42Would she?
07:43Probably.
07:44I always kind of, when you see those engagements.
07:46They can dance.
07:47Pardon?
07:48They can dance.
07:49Yes.
07:50I mean, I don't imagine the generation before would get much of a wiggle on, would they?
07:55I can't imagine the generation before, I can't imagine them twigging.
07:59But you know what I mean?
07:59Maybe a tea dance.
08:01They'd have some moves, wouldn't they?
08:02I think, yes.
08:03Yes, I think William and Catherine can dance.
08:05But actually, did you know that Queen Camilla is quite a good dancer?
08:08I didn't know.
08:09She's part of Silver Swans.
08:10Oh.
08:11Yeah, Silver Swans, whereby it's an organisation that encourages older people, I'd include myself
08:18in that, to get more active by dancing.
08:20When we talk about these engagements, Richard, and are they pre-planned or not?
08:23When I see both of those engagements in Cornwall and in Leicester, both William and Catherine
08:29made, in my opinion, slightly pre-planned comments.
08:33So there you have William making the pasties.
08:35And he says, oh, I wish my wife was here.
08:37She'd be so much better at this than me.
08:39She's really good.
08:39I mean, I've heard him say that in capacities before when he's been making something or doing
08:44something arty, which obviously we know Catherine's a good cook and she's arty.
08:48And then Catherine in Leicester, with the dancing, she said, oh, my children would love
08:52this little, you know, particularly Louis, he loves dancing.
08:55Again, you often hear those kind of little comments from her about their children.
09:01And I do personally, I've never asked them, because even I would think that's a bit rude.
09:05But I do think that they have certain stock things that they may say when they go to these
09:11engagements, because obviously it humanises them and also the people that they're meeting.
09:16It's an immediate connection.
09:17Yeah, it's relatable.
09:18It's an immediate connection point.
09:19That's why William and Catherine think it's so important, because they are relatable to
09:23people who perhaps others don't relate to so well.
09:25Now, working royals, as we said, it's a dwindling number.
09:28Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie, no longer working royals.
09:32But folks, question up to the break.
09:35They are no longer working royals, but they do have jobs.
09:39What are those jobs?
09:40Answer coming up in a bit.
09:47Welcome back to Catching Up with the Royals.
09:49We left you with that question.
09:51Princesses Eugenie and Beatrice, no longer working royals, but what jobs do they have?
09:55Because they do have jobs, and they're this.
09:57Beatrice is the Vice President of Partnerships and Strategy at AI software company Affinity,
10:03which is spelt all wrong, but then it's an AI company, so it does all that.
10:07Eugenie, by the way, is Director of the London Contemporary Art Gallery, Hauser & Wirth.
10:12Well, that's interesting, isn't it, Richard?
10:14Because Princesses, Beatrice and Eugenie are really being drawn into more of the kind of Epstein-York
10:20fallout.
10:21And one of the ways in which they have is because of money.
10:26Have they profited from their parents' connections?
10:28I mean, it's interesting that Beatrice set up her own advisory firm, BY, for Beatrice
10:35York, EQ, which is advising high-net-worth individuals about tech.
10:40But it's interesting, wasn't it?
10:41I mean, my first instinct is to think, visit not the sins of the fathers, right?
10:46That any wrongdoing alleged, and of course wrongdoing is denied by Prince, formerly Prince
10:51Andrew, and indeed Sarah Ferguson, but the sins of the parents shouldn't really be visited
10:55on the children.
10:56But the question is perhaps that did they, as adults, were they involved in poor decisions?
11:02Is that the question?
11:03Yeah, because should they be held accountable for their parents' actions?
11:07Of course not.
11:08You can't be held accountable for other people's actions.
11:10It's completely unreasonable.
11:12Of course.
11:13You know, being mentioned in the Epstein files does not mean that Beatrice and Eugenie have
11:17done anything wrong.
11:18And of course, their father, Andrew, has denied all wrongdoing.
11:21But, you know, they are mentioned 300 times, Beatrice and Eugenie, in the Epstein files.
11:25Again, probably because Fergie has talked about them, right?
11:28You know, the girls are coming.
11:29Can you organise plane tickets for me and the girls?
11:31Family friends and all that.
11:32Exactly.
11:33He was a family friend.
11:35But I think contagion is a problem for the York sisters, as we said before.
11:41But it's more than that now.
11:42It's how much did they know?
11:44Because at this point, they were adults.
11:46And if Fergie's saying to her daughter, oh, my goodness, this is awful.
11:52Jeffrey's cut me off.
11:53He doesn't want to be my friend anymore because he thinks I've called him a paedophile.
11:55But actually, this is what happened.
11:57He's just been released from jail.
11:58And da-da-da-da-da-da-da.
11:59I mean, are we really expecting them to not have any understanding in their 20s of what was
12:04going on?
12:05I mean, there are two things.
12:05One is, obviously, you can't be held accountable for other people's actions.
12:08But you are accountable for your own.
12:10That's a discussion to have, because we don't know the rights and wrongs of that.
12:13The other one is a perception one.
12:16If I were, you know, doing comms for the monarchy, I probably wouldn't want to have the princesses,
12:22regardless of anything else, to be at the center of things right now.
12:25I just think it starts a conversation which you don't really want to have.
12:29And if we're going to slim down the monarchy and make it leaner and fitter, then perhaps
12:34you keep them out of those shots.
12:36I don't know.
12:36Privately, part of the family, but publicly, perhaps less so.
12:39I don't know.
12:39I think you should get a job in royal comms, Richard.
12:43That would be terrible.
12:44I think you should get a job in royal comms, or maybe as one of the advisors at BP.
12:47Because I, in my opinion, that's exactly what's happening.
12:50I think that privately, Beatrice and Eugenie have not cut contact with their parents.
12:55They are a very, very strong family unit.
12:57There's interview after interview with Fergie saying, what a strong family we are, how close
13:01we are, how great my daughters are, how great my husband, Andrew, is as a grandfather.
13:05On the other hand, we have seen the mood music from Buckingham Palace change.
13:13We have seen that initially it was Andrew and Fergie who were effectively cut off from last
13:19autumn.
13:20That changed.
13:21Obviously, before then, they were kind of welcomed.
13:22Then Beatrice and Eugenie were still part of the family, invited to Christmas, invited to
13:26the events.
13:27Now the mood music from Buckingham Palace has changed.
13:29Now what Buckingham Palace are briefing, members of the royal family, the king, the queen, prince
13:36and princess of Wales will not be seen publicly with Eugenie and Beatrice because of that contagion.
13:41Now, there was a story that Beatrice and Eugenie have been banned from Ascot this year.
13:45I don't think they've been banned.
13:46They can go in a personal capacity.
13:47It's just that parade in the royal bits of royal Ascot, the parade, the carriage parade
13:54from a mile outside Ascot, the lunch at Windsor Castle beforehand, being in the royal box.
14:00I would be surprised if we saw Beatrice and Eugenie with senior members of the royal family.
14:06Literally on parade.
14:07Literally on parade.
14:09And even, I think it's slightly problematic for the king if he invited Beatrice and Eugenie
14:13and their husbands to use the royal box, you know, each say with Zara and Mike Tindall
14:19when he wasn't there or when William and Catherine were.
14:21I think that's still a bit of a problem because it's sort of almost still giving them his blessing.
14:27So, and, you know, I just feel very sorry for the girls.
14:30I do feel sorry for them, actually, because...
14:32Yeah, me too, I think.
14:33It must be agonisingly difficult.
14:36Reports say that the sisters were blindsided.
14:39Which is kind of uninvited, or not invited.
14:41Not invited to Ascot.
14:43And, of course, there's other royal events that they would normally go to.
14:47For instance, Easter Sunday that's coming up at Windsor Castle.
14:50They are sometimes there.
14:52They're sometimes not there.
14:54But I think that were they to have been invited this year, they would have gone.
14:57I don't expect to see them at Windsor.
15:00Because I think privately, what's happening in public is that the monarchy has to put clear blue water
15:06between them and now also Beatrice and Eugenie, the House of York, all four of them.
15:12But I think what's happening in private is somewhat different, because they're still members of the family, right?
15:16But I think also, the kind of life they lead has such extraordinary pressures in it,
15:22that who do you share that with, apart from other people who know what that's like?
15:27I do think they need to sort of support each other just to get through their days, you know?
15:33Totally. And, you know, it's Mother's Day this Sunday.
15:36And I feel, I actually feel very sorry for Sarah on this particular aspect,
15:43because she is a doting mum, a doting gran.
15:47She would want to spend Sunday with her daughters and her grandchildren.
15:51And she's still MIA, missing in action.
15:53I mean, the latest reports that she was seen at some spa hotel in Ireland,
15:57we've no idea where she is.
15:58If she has come back to the UK, she's kept a very low profile.
16:02And this, it must be very upsetting for her, and indeed her daughters.
16:08Obviously, it's meant professional embarrassment for Eugenie as well, hasn't it?
16:13Because I think she stepped down from her role as patron of Anti-Slavery International,
16:16which is something she's given a lot of her time and attention for.
16:19They said, they made a statement saying,
16:21we're grateful for everything she's done, da-da-da-da-da-da.
16:23But I'm sensing that there would be a kind of boardroom decision about that.
16:26Yeah, my opinion would be that she was pushed.
16:29She didn't volunteer that she was pushed, she was asked to leave.
16:32The fallout from Epstein's story, which is just so horrible,
16:36it's so disgusting in its worst manifestations,
16:39it's just so contagious for everyone.
16:41And of course, anyone who's involved and culpable in that
16:44has to face up to their responsibilities.
16:46But we don't know, do we?
16:48No, there's not enough.
16:50I think that's the problem, isn't it?
16:51I mean, even with the emails,
16:53we're only getting kind of snapshots of certain things in time.
16:55We haven't heard from Eugenie and Beatrice.
16:58We haven't heard from Fergie or Andrew.
17:00And some people are saying, you know,
17:01the girls, Beatrice and Eugenie should come out
17:04and publicly address the allegations.
17:06And that's just for the birds,
17:07because he has been arrested.
17:10This is now a criminal investigation.
17:11There's no way that the girls should be saying anything publicly
17:14because they don't want to prejudice
17:15what is a criminal investigation.
17:17I think also as well,
17:18you have to understand that there is always going to be
17:20a tension between family obligations
17:23and wider obligations.
17:26It's always going to be tricky.
17:27Yeah.
17:28And I do feel very sorry for Beatrice and Eugenie
17:30because I think behind the scenes,
17:32they have, yeah, behind the scenes,
17:33I'm told that, you know,
17:36Catherine the Princess of Wales has reached out to them.
17:38As you would expect,
17:39they're still members of the family.
17:41And there's been some reports
17:42that Beatrice and Eugenie always hated Catherine
17:45and saw her as a,
17:46I mean, that's just wrong.
17:48That's a little bit of a head.
17:48Yeah, that's a little bit of a head.
17:50Always hated, you know,
17:52girly, girly rivalry.
17:53I hate that kind of clickbait stuff.
17:55And then some, you know,
17:56some old footage of Ascot was brought up
17:59to suggest that Beatrice and Catherine didn't get on.
18:02I mean, it's just,
18:03I just think it's rubbish.
18:04But everything that I've always been told
18:06is that, yes, you know,
18:07Eugenie and Harry were close
18:08and some members of the family felt that,
18:10you know, sides were taken after 2020.
18:12But actually, Eugenie and Beatrice
18:15have always got on well
18:15with pretty much everyone in the family.
18:17And certainly there's no way
18:18that the Prince and Princess of Wales
18:20would have ridden in a carriage at Ascot
18:22with Edo, Beatrice's husband,
18:24and Beatrice back in 2023
18:26if there was anything apart from friendship
18:29between the women.
18:30I can see, though,
18:31that William,
18:32who gets on very well with Beatrice and Eugenie,
18:36but particularly,
18:36I understand it, Beatrice and Edo,
18:38I can understand that William
18:40is able to separate
18:43William the Cousin
18:44from William the Enforcer,
18:47Prince of Wales.
18:48I can understand that William
18:49may want to draw a harder line
18:54in terms of the princess's public persona.
18:57What do you think?
18:58I don't know.
18:59It just makes me think of the Sopranos
19:00or Succession.
19:04It's like what happens
19:04when sort of dynastic matters
19:07come and mess up family relationships.
19:10Well, it's such a shame, actually,
19:12because only 18 months,
19:15two years ago,
19:16William had asked Beatrice and Eugenie
19:19to come and help out
19:20at some of the garden parties
19:21because Catherine couldn't come
19:23because she was still
19:24receiving treatment for cancer.
19:26So he specifically asked Mike and Zara,
19:30Eugenie and Beatrice,
19:31to come and help them out,
19:31and it was a riot.
19:32It was brilliant.
19:33They were a sporting cast
19:34and they were great.
19:34Should Princess Beatrice
19:36and Princess Eugenie
19:37lose their princess title?
19:38Well, I think that's an interesting question
19:40because they've both got lives
19:41of their own now.
19:42They've both got jobs.
19:42They've got families.
19:43They've got a life outside royal circles.
19:45I wonder if it might not be a smart thing
19:48to just follow the example
19:50that the Princess Royal set
19:51and just not dump these royal obligations,
19:55expectations, and titles on children,
19:56maybe remove them.
19:57Because Mike and Zara can still come
19:59and help out at Buckingham Palace garden party
20:01or do whatever,
20:02be in the monarch's birthday parade,
20:04but they don't have the titles.
20:06Yeah.
20:06Slightly more jovial tone now, Richard.
20:10Yes, indeed.
20:11I love it when you go jovial.
20:13I love it.
20:14And we've got a question for you
20:16before the break,
20:17but before I tempt you
20:19with our excellent question
20:20on the late Queen,
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20:34if you want to see our faces, Richard.
20:36Lucky you.
20:37In all the technical...
20:38I know, maybe don't look too close,
20:39but we've got a question for you.
20:42The late Queen,
20:42Queen Elizabeth II,
20:44true or false,
20:45the late Queen invented a breed of dog?
20:49I know that Richard knows this.
20:50I know that Richard knows this.
20:51So I'm just going to gag him.
20:52We'll be back after the break.
20:58Welcome back.
20:59Before the break,
21:00I asked,
21:01because Richard knows the answer to this,
21:03true or false,
21:05Queen Elizabeth II
21:06invented a new breed of dog?
21:08And the answer is, Richard?
21:10Doggy.
21:11It is.
21:12It's true.
21:13One of her corgis
21:15accidentally mated
21:16with a dachshund
21:17belonging to Princess Margaret,
21:19who apparently was a bit frisky, Richard.
21:21And it created a new hybrid
21:23called a doggy,
21:25a dachshund-corgy cross.
21:27Queen Mother
21:27was very keen on them.
21:29She had fleets of them.
21:31Yeah, she did.
21:32I mean, it's really interesting,
21:33the history of corgis
21:34in the royal family,
21:35because when
21:36the Queen had her first one at seven,
21:38but it was...
21:39Yes, it was Susan.
21:40She got one at age 18,
21:42which was,
21:42they got dookie
21:43when she was seven.
21:45So-called because of the Duke of York.
21:47That's why he was named
21:47or the breeder named him dookie.
21:49And then at 18,
21:50she got Susan.
21:51But at that point,
21:52corgis were really unfashionable.
21:53Yeah.
21:54They had to get them
21:54from a Welsh breeder, I think,
21:56because they were cattle dogs.
21:57But then, of course,
21:57I mean,
21:58everybody wanted a corgi.
22:00Well, it's a rare breed now.
22:01I mean, the Pembrokeshire corgi,
22:02which is the royal one,
22:04is doing okay.
22:04But the Cardiganshire corgi,
22:06which is a slightly chunkier,
22:08usually brindled one,
22:09they're not doing so well.
22:11I don't want to
22:11break any embargoes.
22:14Can we get an exclusive
22:15on Catching Up With The Royals?
22:16Go on.
22:18I hear,
22:19a little bird tells me,
22:20that the late Queen
22:21is not the only fan of corgis.
22:24Yes,
22:24but this is a difficult moment
22:26because my partner,
22:27Dickie,
22:27has vetoed
22:28my plan
22:29to get a cardigan
22:30to a corgi.
22:31Yeah,
22:31he's worried
22:31because he thinks
22:32it'll hurt the cat.
22:33So we're in negotiations
22:34with Nathan over the way
22:35who's got two sausage dogs
22:37called Bangers
22:37in Georgia.
22:38You might be having a litter.
22:40So it's corgi.
22:41I was going to,
22:41I was hoping
22:42you were going to tell
22:43everybody that
22:44you were going to get a corgi.
22:45Well,
22:45I'd love a corgi
22:46but him indoors
22:47has put his foot down.
22:48Has him indoors said no?
22:49Yeah.
22:49But you could get a sausage dog?
22:51Well,
22:51I've had loads of sausages
22:52so my last two sausages
22:55I shared with him
22:57and that was fine.
22:58Why would Dickie say
22:59yes to a sausage
22:59but no to a corgi?
23:00Because I think
23:01it was his great aunt Pat
23:03had a nippy corgi.
23:04Oh.
23:05There's a bad,
23:06there's a bad history
23:08in the family
23:08over corgis.
23:09Oh,
23:09okay.
23:09He's a bit worried
23:10he's going to get nipped.
23:11I might just get one anyway.
23:13Do it.
23:14Just don't tell him
23:15when he goes off
23:16on another tour.
23:17Anyway.
23:18He'd love a puppy.
23:19I mean,
23:19I love that corgi chat,
23:21Richard,
23:21or sausage dog chat.
23:23Can you update us please
23:24later?
23:25Very closely.
23:26Keep us posted
23:26on pup news,
23:28Cole's pup news.
23:29But,
23:30to two other pups,
23:31Harry and Meghan.
23:33Now,
23:33they've been in the news
23:34recently because
23:34they have been
23:35on a two-day trip
23:36to Jordan,
23:37fortunately,
23:38just before Trump
23:39started bombing Iran
23:41and then Iran
23:42started bombing
23:42the Middle East.
23:44and they have
23:44also announced
23:47a tour to Australia
23:48and this comes
23:49on the back
23:49of some
23:50as ever
23:52news.
23:52Now,
23:53as ever
23:53is Meghan's
23:54brand of
23:55spread
23:56and chocolate.
23:57It's not jam.
23:58It's not jam.
23:59Not enough sugar
24:00to count as jam.
24:01Is that right?
24:01No,
24:01that's right.
24:02You're on it.
24:02You're on it.
24:03Absolutely right.
24:04So,
24:04she's got to call it
24:05spread
24:06and her
24:07brand
24:08of spread
24:09and alcohol
24:10wine.
24:11She doesn't call it
24:12fizz,
24:13Richard.
24:14She calls it
24:14brute.
24:15I know.
24:16Is that an American
24:17thing?
24:17I don't know.
24:18No,
24:18you get it.
24:20Brute means dry.
24:21Brute means dry.
24:22You see it,
24:23don't you,
24:24on sparkly wine?
24:25Yeah,
24:25on sparkly wine.
24:25It means dry.
24:26I've always been
24:27slightly confused
24:28why she calls it
24:28brute.
24:29But anyway,
24:29and chocolate,
24:30which Harry has
24:31been advertising
24:32on social media.
24:34she and Netflix
24:35are parted ways
24:36because Netflix
24:37invested
24:38in her
24:40As Ever brand,
24:41which we're going
24:41to talk about
24:41in a minute
24:43because I guess
24:43my question would be
24:45are the Sussexers
24:47in trouble
24:49financially?
24:50But,
24:51let's look at
24:51these two
24:54tours,
24:55visits,
24:55Australia
24:56and Jordan.
24:57They sound like
24:58royal tours.
24:59Yeah.
25:00Is that the point?
25:01I think that is
25:01kind of the point.
25:02I mean,
25:02some people have
25:03suggested that
25:04this is them
25:05advertising themselves
25:06to come back
25:07to the royal family.
25:08So their trip to Jordan
25:09was very much
25:12highlighted
25:12and headlined
25:14as a humanitarian
25:14trip.
25:15They were invited
25:16by the World Health
25:17Organization
25:18because,
25:18of course,
25:19this is not
25:19a royal tour
25:20so they couldn't
25:20be invited
25:21by King Hussein
25:22and the government
25:23of Jordan
25:24so they were
25:24invited by WHO
25:26and they
25:28wanted to highlight
25:29Jordan's
25:30humanitarian response
25:31in the region
25:32particularly
25:32after the
25:33conflicts
25:33in Syria
25:34on the trip
25:35in Jordan.
25:35It was a two-day
25:35trip.
25:36They visited
25:36the Zatari
25:37refugee camp,
25:38one of the
25:38world's largest
25:39camps for
25:39displaced Syrians
25:40and attended
25:41a roundtable
25:41with WHO
25:42officials
25:43and international
25:44aid groups
25:44to discuss
25:45healthcare
25:45for refugees
25:46and displaced
25:47communities.
25:48Interestingly,
25:48Richard,
25:49the British
25:50ambassador
25:50was at that
25:51roundtable.
25:52Oh,
25:52hello.
25:53Yeah.
25:54I mean,
25:54this sounds
25:54to me a bit
25:55like all those
25:55kind of rival
25:57heavyweight belt
25:58things.
25:59So you're
25:59which heavyweight
26:00champion?
26:00It's almost
26:01as if there's
26:01a kind of
26:02alternative
26:02royal tour
26:03happening here.
26:05And as you
26:05say,
26:05British ambassador
26:06was present.
26:07That suggests
26:07some kind of
26:08formal recognition.
26:09I don't know,
26:10that's interesting,
26:11isn't it?
26:11Because I'm
26:12not sure how
26:13well they would
26:14mesh into
26:15that broader
26:16project.
26:17I was interested
26:18that the British
26:18ambassador was
26:19there and
26:20he actually
26:20spoke to
26:21journalists.
26:21They took
26:22one journalist
26:23from the
26:24press association
26:25with them
26:26and who,
26:27well done,
26:28Alan,
26:29made a beeline
26:29for the British
26:30ambassador to
26:30try and get
26:30some words
26:31out of the
26:31British
26:31ambassador.
26:31And the
26:31British
26:32ambassador
26:32said,
26:32oh no,
26:33he publicly
26:33thanked them
26:34at the
26:34roundtable
26:34for coming
26:35and said
26:35it was
26:36great that
26:36they were
26:36there.
26:37And I
26:37thought,
26:38oh,
26:39steady.
26:39Because to
26:40all intents
26:41and purposes,
26:41we know this
26:42is not a
26:42royal tour,
26:43but it
26:43looked exactly
26:45like a
26:45royal tour.
26:46Humanitarian,
26:47tick.
26:48Meghan looking
26:49like Princess
26:49Diana in
26:50her khaki
26:51outfit,
26:52tick.
26:53British
26:53ambassador,
26:54tick.
26:55Formal
26:55recognition,
26:56tick.
26:58Visiting a
27:00Burns
27:00victim,
27:01poor girl,
27:02in a hospital
27:02bed,
27:03holding her
27:03hand,
27:04tick.
27:05Worthy
27:05causes,
27:06tick.
27:06Refugees,
27:07tick.
27:09Apolitical,
27:10their spokesman
27:11said that they
27:11were neither
27:11pro-Palestinian
27:13nor pro-Israeli.
27:15Because obviously
27:16when you go to
27:17the Middle East
27:17you have to make
27:18that very clear
27:18that you're
27:19apolitical.
27:19So apolitical,
27:20tick.
27:20We're just here
27:21to help,
27:22tick.
27:23So it did have
27:24all those
27:24kind of
27:24hallmarks
27:25of a royal tour.
27:27If their
27:27sort of options
27:28to create
27:29the life
27:30they want
27:30from their
27:31business interests
27:31are kind of
27:32narrowing down
27:32a little bit,
27:34then what is
27:35their role?
27:36It seems to me
27:36that there are
27:37two separate,
27:37two entirely,
27:38almost opposite
27:39things.
27:39On the one hand,
27:40you know,
27:40kind of exploiting
27:41your brand
27:41to provide you
27:43with the life
27:44that you wish
27:44to lead.
27:45But then on
27:46the other hand
27:46you're also
27:46trying to
27:47kind of
27:47go back
27:48towards
27:48something
27:49that you
27:49left.
27:50I don't
27:50know how
27:50that would
27:50work.
27:51No,
27:51and some
27:52people sort
27:52of say,
27:52oh,
27:52you know,
27:53they're just
27:53cosplaying the
27:54royals.
27:55They're just,
27:55you know,
27:55they're just
27:56trying to be
27:56more royal
27:57than the royals
27:58or they're
27:58trying to
27:58go back
27:59to where
27:59they were.
28:00And I
28:00think this
28:00will be
28:01when they
28:01go to
28:02Australia,
28:03which is
28:04the end
28:05of next
28:06month.
28:06I mean,
28:07blimey,
28:07Richard,
28:07if it
28:08clashes
28:09with the
28:10king and
28:10queen's
28:11visit to
28:11America,
28:11that will
28:12be
28:12problematic.
28:14Someone must
28:15phone somebody
28:17in.
28:17Yeah,
28:17so I
28:19spoke to
28:20William and
28:22I spoke
28:24to...
28:24Sources
28:25Close.
28:25Sources
28:25Close.
28:26I mean,
28:26I spoke
28:26to a member
28:27of Meghan
28:27and Harry's
28:27team yesterday
28:28just ahead
28:29of our
28:29record,
28:30you know,
28:30just to get
28:30the latest
28:31information
28:31and what
28:32Meghan and
28:33Harry are
28:33doing because
28:34certainly
28:34their tour
28:35to Jordan
28:36was announced
28:38just literally
28:39an hour or
28:40two hours
28:40after we'd
28:40recorded.
28:41And so I
28:43spoke to a
28:43close member
28:44of their
28:44team and
28:46he said,
28:46well look,
28:47you know,
28:47they're going
28:48to Australia,
28:48it's only
28:49for a couple
28:49of days.
28:50It felt to
28:51me as if it
28:52was quite
28:52business focused
28:54because the
28:54impression that
28:55I got was
28:56that Harry was
28:57just going for
28:57a bit of a
28:58holiday.
28:58I mean,
28:59why not go
28:59to, you
29:00know,
29:00Oz and do
29:00a bit of
29:01surfing?
29:01I mean,
29:01I even joked
29:02he's going to
29:02do a bit
29:02of surfing,
29:03maybe.
29:04The children
29:04aren't going
29:06but their
29:08team do
29:09tell Buckingham
29:10Palace when
29:11they are going
29:12to go abroad.
29:12But I mean,
29:13I asked how
29:13much notice was
29:14given and
29:14I'm like,
29:15Emily,
29:15you wouldn't
29:16expect us
29:16to go into
29:16that.
29:17But my
29:17inference was
29:18that it
29:18would be
29:19a couple
29:20of days
29:20notice,
29:20a week.
29:21So we're not
29:22talking about
29:22planning here,
29:23we're just
29:23saying a
29:23courtesy call.
29:24No,
29:24it's a
29:24courtesy call.
29:25And in
29:26fact,
29:26in the
29:26past,
29:28when
29:28Prince
29:29William was
29:29in Brazil
29:30at the end
29:31of last
29:31year doing
29:32Earthshot,
29:33apparently
29:35Buckingham
29:35Palace emailed
29:37Kensington
29:38Palace,
29:38or there was
29:39communications
29:39between the
29:40teams to
29:40tell William's
29:41team that
29:42Harry was
29:43in Canada
29:45doing
29:46visiting members
29:47of the
29:47armed forces
29:48and the
29:48email didn't
29:48even get
29:49through,
29:49or literally
29:50it was an
29:50hour's notice.
29:51Obviously
29:52with Australia,
29:53we know,
29:54so Buckingham
29:54Palace at
29:55least know as
29:55well.
29:56I don't want to
29:56disparage any of
29:57the humanitarian
29:58stuff that any
29:59of them do,
29:59because it's all
30:00really valuable,
30:01but it strikes me
30:01that when Harry and
30:02Meghan are doing
30:02that,
30:03they're kind of
30:05moving back into
30:05the territory that
30:06they chose to
30:07leave,
30:08and there is a
30:08bit of confusion
30:09around that.
30:10Could they
30:11contribute to
30:12this new
30:13look monarchy
30:14that seems to
30:15be Prince
30:16William's
30:17ambition now?
30:18I mean,
30:19just saying that
30:20sounds so
30:21unlikely,
30:22doesn't it?
30:22Could Harry and
30:23Meghan save the
30:23monarchy?
30:24Is that what
30:24you're asking me,
30:25Richard?
30:26But I've heard
30:26it sort of
30:27suggest that
30:28perhaps they
30:28could be part
30:29of this
30:29recuperation of
30:30the monarchy.
30:31I just don't
30:32imagine how
30:33that would
30:33happen.
30:34No,
30:34absolutely,
30:34and some
30:35people have
30:35said,
30:35we need Harry
30:37and Meghan,
30:37they'd be
30:38brilliant,
30:39they'd reinvent
30:39the royal
30:40brand.
30:41I would
30:42say that
30:43Harry and
30:43Meghan were
30:44great at
30:45public-facing
30:46royal engagements.
30:47I was on
30:48that tour with
30:49them in
30:49Australia in
30:502018,
30:51they were
30:51brilliant.
30:52They are
30:53great,
30:53she's great,
30:54he's great,
30:55they're brilliant
30:56at making
30:56those personal
30:57interactions very
30:58quickly,
30:59you can see
31:01that when you
31:01watch footage of
31:02them,
31:03he is his
31:03mother's son,
31:04his father's
31:05son as well,
31:05but he is
31:06brilliant,
31:07Harry,
31:07there used
31:08to be a
31:08hashtag,
31:09hashtag
31:10Harry with
31:10kids,
31:10he's brilliant
31:11with children,
31:12she's very
31:13good in my
31:14opinion,
31:15when I've
31:15watched her
31:16on engagements,
31:17Meghan,
31:19of being
31:20listening,
31:22asking the
31:22right questions,
31:24being very
31:24engaged,
31:25I remember
31:26in Australia
31:26she baked
31:27banana bread
31:27when we went
31:28to the Outback
31:29because she
31:29wanted those
31:30sort of small
31:30things that she
31:31can do,
31:32she wanted to
31:33show that she
31:33really cared,
31:35but I mean
31:36obviously behind
31:36the scenes it
31:37was a bit
31:37different,
31:38but we're not
31:38going to go
31:38into that
31:39right now,
31:39behind the
31:40scenes,
31:40I mean it
31:42was quite
31:42tricky,
31:43well it was
31:43tricky behind
31:44the scenes
31:44Richard because
31:45people didn't
31:45know whether
31:46she would
31:46turn up or
31:47she was going
31:47to come,
31:48oh yeah I
31:48know,
31:49what time,
31:50whether she
31:50was going
31:50to turn
31:51up,
31:51was she
31:51going to
31:51come,
31:51was she
31:52not going
31:52to come?
31:53Hollywood
31:53behaviour.
31:53Well it
31:54was quite,
31:54I think it
31:55was quite
31:55tricky,
31:56yes it was
31:57quite tricky,
31:58but in front
31:59of the camera
31:59Richard she
32:00was brilliant.
32:01I thought
32:02they looked
32:02great when
32:02they got
32:03married,
32:03I thought
32:04this is
32:04great,
32:04this is
32:04exactly
32:05the way
32:05you would
32:06want to,
32:06you know it's
32:07Harry,
32:07it's marrying
32:07a woman
32:08with mixed
32:08heritage,
32:09marrying
32:09someone who
32:09comes from
32:10abroad,
32:10the messaging
32:12I thought
32:12was really
32:13good,
32:13of course
32:14it didn't
32:15end up so
32:16well.
32:16No,
32:17I thought
32:18they were
32:18brilliant as
32:19members of
32:20the royal
32:20family and
32:21so I can
32:21see that
32:23when they
32:23were in
32:24Jordan doing
32:26very good
32:26stuff and
32:28I think
32:29and drawing
32:29attention to
32:31the great
32:31work that
32:31the World
32:32Health
32:32Organisation
32:32does and
32:34Well Central
32:34Kitchen but
32:35I agree,
32:36I cannot
32:37see them
32:38returning to
32:39become full
32:41time working
32:42royals but
32:44I do worry
32:45slightly about
32:46money,
32:47Richard.
32:48I mean I
32:49worry about
32:49money all the
32:49time,
32:50don't we all?
32:50Cost of
32:51living crisis
32:51and all that.
32:52But if you
32:52just,
32:53on your
32:54fingers,
32:55if you
32:55try to add
32:56up what
32:57their annual
32:58bill must
32:58be to
32:59live the
32:59way they
33:00live.
33:00Well I
33:00did.
33:01Oh and
33:01what did
33:02it come
33:02to?
33:02Well look,
33:03I have to
33:03preface this,
33:04this is just
33:05guesstimates
33:05right?
33:06Because Harry
33:06and Meghan
33:07are not
33:07inviting us
33:08in to
33:08their
33:09royals.
33:10They're not
33:11getting forensic
33:11accountants in
33:12and say
33:12Emily Andrews
33:13here you go
33:13have my
33:14figures.
33:15But I
33:15worked out
33:16that roughly
33:17speaking their
33:18lifestyle costs
33:19them about
33:19five million
33:20pounds a
33:22year.
33:22That is a
33:23lot of fruit
33:24spread.
33:24It's a lot of
33:25fruit spread.
33:25That Meghan
33:26needs to sell
33:26right?
33:27You know they
33:27have this big
33:27deal with
33:28Netflix,
33:29multi-multi-multi-million
33:30dollar deal
33:30with Netflix
33:31but that was
33:32a structured
33:32deal and
33:33it's not
33:34paying out
33:34as it used
33:34to.
33:35Is that
33:35right?
33:36Yeah,
33:36no that's
33:36right.
33:36So what
33:37happened was
33:37that came
33:37to an
33:38end last
33:38year and
33:40we don't
33:40know how
33:40much money
33:40they received.
33:41I mean again
33:41all these
33:42headline figures
33:43were banded
33:43around but we
33:43don't actually
33:44know.
33:45And what
33:45happened last
33:46year was that
33:46that came to
33:47an end and
33:47Netflix said
33:48they'd have a
33:50first look deal
33:51with Harry and
33:51Meghan which
33:52effectively meant
33:53that anything
33:54that Harry and
33:54Meghan produced
33:55Netflix would
33:55look at first.
33:56there was no
33:56money involved
33:58but there
34:00was a
34:01documentary
34:02premiered at
34:03the end of
34:03last year
34:04called Cookie
34:05Queen at the
34:07Sundance Festival
34:08and Harry and
34:10Meghan put their
34:10name onto that
34:11and they spent
34:12time promoting
34:13Cookie Queens.
34:13It's about
34:14Girl Scouts in
34:15America making
34:15cookies to sell
34:16for charity but
34:17that hasn't been
34:18picked up by or
34:20bought by any
34:20streamer and
34:21there are two
34:22films outstanding
34:23that Harry and
34:24Meghan kind of
34:25signed
34:25to the Arch
34:26Wales slate
34:27two books that
34:29they're adapting
34:29they still have
34:30not got a
34:31production team
34:32or producer
34:32so I would
34:35be quite
34:36worried actually
34:37if I were
34:39Harry and
34:39Meghan's
34:39accountant
34:40because the
34:41latest news
34:42is that
34:43Netflix
34:43who obviously
34:45that deal
34:46came to an
34:46end
34:47they are
34:48they invested
34:49in as ever
34:50Meghan's brand
34:52and now
34:53as ever is the
34:54name of the
34:54brand.
34:55Yes as ever
34:55is the name
34:56of the brand
34:56and now
34:57that investment
34:59has finished
35:00and I'm
35:00going to ask
35:01you as never
35:02oh I love
35:03that as never
35:04you heard it
35:04here first
35:06copyright as
35:07catching up with
35:07the royals
35:08I'm going to
35:08ask you a
35:08question
35:09Richard when I
35:10spoke to a
35:11close member
35:12of Harry and
35:13Meghan's team
35:13this week
35:15and I
35:15and I said
35:16right I
35:17checked a few
35:17things with him
35:18facts I like
35:19facts Richard
35:19and I said
35:20right okay
35:21then this
35:22whole Netflix
35:23thing give
35:24me your
35:24spin give
35:25me your
35:25PR give
35:26me your
35:26PR spin
35:27about the
35:27whole and
35:28he said
35:28well Emily
35:29so you know
35:30it's great
35:30you know
35:31it's great
35:31you know
35:32we're so
35:32thankful for
35:33Netflix for
35:33their time
35:34but you know
35:35as ever
35:35it just
35:36didn't really
35:36it just
35:37didn't we
35:37we've got
35:37really big
35:38plans we
35:38want to go
35:39for global
35:39expansion
35:39Netflix
35:40aren't really
35:41used to
35:41this kind
35:41of thing
35:42and I was
35:42like hang
35:42on a sec
35:43they've got
35:43merchandise
35:44for things
35:44like you
35:45know Squid
35:46Game and
35:46Bridgerton
35:47which has
35:47sold loads
35:48and they've
35:48got a
35:49standalone
35:49store
35:50Netflix
35:50in America
35:51which
35:51Megan's
35:52products were
35:53never included
35:53in by the
35:54way
35:54and I said
35:54so actually
35:55they are
35:56used to it
35:56no no
35:57this was
35:57that's just
35:58spin-off
35:58that's a
35:59side hustle
35:59that I
36:00quote
36:00that's a
36:00side hustle
36:01for them
36:01as ever
36:02we're much
36:02bigger
36:03what do you
36:04think of
36:04that Richard
36:05I think
36:06that sounds
36:07like the
36:08sort of thing
36:08you would
36:09pay someone
36:10to say
36:11well now
36:11we're going
36:12to go to
36:12a break
36:12don't forget
36:13you can
36:13catch up
36:14with
36:14catching up
36:14with the
36:15royals
36:15every Thursday
36:16wherever you
36:16get your
36:16podcasts
36:17from
36:18and you
36:19can find
36:20us on
36:20YouTube
36:20if you
36:21want to
36:21or
36:22don't forget
36:23to subscribe
36:23yes you've
36:24got to
36:24subscribe
36:25click and
36:25subscribe
36:26whatever that
36:26means
36:27and then also
36:28on five
36:29you can do
36:30that on
36:30Saturdays
36:31so many ways
36:32of doing it
36:32I've got
36:33a quick
36:33we've been
36:33talking about
36:34imagine
36:34there you
36:35are
36:35at a
36:36royal banquet
36:36and some
36:37of Megan's
36:38lovely spread
36:38is on your
36:39scone and
36:40everything
36:40cream
36:41first
36:41cream
36:41or jam
36:43first
36:43well it
36:43depends
36:43whether
36:44he's
36:44being
36:44Duke
36:44of
36:45Cornwall
36:45or not
36:45anyway
36:45doesn't matter
36:46that
36:46but
36:47here's the
36:48question
36:49what makes
36:50everyone stop
36:51eating at a
36:52royal banquet
36:53when do you
36:53stop
36:54answer coming
36:55soon
37:00welcome
37:01welcome back
37:01to catching up
37:02with the
37:02royals
37:02we left
37:02you with
37:03the question
37:03when if
37:04you're at
37:04a royal
37:04banquet
37:04do you
37:05know it's
37:05time to
37:05stop
37:06chomping
37:07well the
37:07answer is
37:07whenever
37:08the monarch
37:09stops
37:10so when
37:10the monarch
37:10whoever that
37:11is stops
37:11and puts
37:12their knife
37:12and fork
37:13in the
37:13finished
37:14position
37:14it's
37:14six o'clock
37:15or four
37:15o'clock
37:15then you've
37:16got to
37:17stop eating
37:17too
37:17even if
37:18you're
37:18only
37:18halfway
37:19through
37:19your
37:20beef
37:20burger
37:20but did
37:21you know
37:22that often
37:23usually the
37:24monarch
37:24makes sure
37:25that he
37:26or she
37:26obviously
37:27they don't
37:28put their
37:28knives and
37:29forks together
37:29and they
37:30eat very
37:31slowly during
37:31state banquets
37:32precisely for
37:33that reason
37:33oh so no
37:34one feels
37:34that they
37:34could
37:34no one
37:35feels
37:35that they
37:36have to
37:37imagine if
37:37you were a
37:38fast eater
37:39and everyone
37:39else was a
37:40slow eater
37:40be a nightmare
37:41I know
37:41well they're
37:42too busy
37:42hobnobbing
37:43with the
37:43heads of
37:44state next
37:44to them
37:44so
37:45well
37:45a lot of
37:46dining in
37:47this royal
37:47lark
37:48isn't there
37:48a lot of
37:49banqueting
37:49a lot of
37:49junketing
37:50there is
37:51and we've
37:52had a
37:52question
37:52talking about
37:53state visits
37:54we have
37:55had a
37:55question
37:55from
37:55Tony
37:56and he
37:57asks us
37:59could
37:59Trump's
38:00love of
38:00the royals
38:01actually help
38:02to talk
38:02some sense
38:03into him
38:03over his
38:04war with
38:05Iran
38:05and this
38:07is about
38:07the upcoming
38:08state visit
38:09of the
38:10king and
38:10queen
38:10to America
38:11at the
38:12end of
38:13April
38:13the end
38:14of next
38:14month
38:14I noticed
38:16Ed Davey
38:16leader of
38:17the liberal
38:17democrats
38:18has said
38:18that they
38:19should not
38:19go
38:20as a
38:20sort of
38:21protest
38:21about
38:21what
38:21America
38:22is
38:22getting
38:22up to
38:22at the
38:22moment
38:23in the
38:23Middle
38:23East
38:24and I
38:24get the
38:26reason for
38:26that
38:26but I
38:27think you
38:27should go
38:27because this
38:28is a visit
38:28to celebrate
38:29the 250th
38:30anniversary of
38:30the United
38:30States of
38:31America
38:31it's not
38:32something
38:33it's not
38:33about
38:33Trump
38:34it's about
38:34the United
38:35States of
38:35America
38:35our closest
38:36and one
38:37of our
38:37oldest
38:37allies
38:38and I
38:39think it's
38:39very important
38:40that we
38:40keep that
38:41relationship
38:41in mind
38:42because Trump's
38:43not going to
38:43be there
38:43forever
38:44the MAGA
38:44moment will
38:45pass but
38:45America will
38:50that's
38:50absolutely
38:50right
38:50and I
38:51think
38:51actually
38:51the US
38:52ambassador
38:53our
38:54ambassador
38:54to the
38:55US
38:55and senior
38:56foreign office
38:57diplomats
38:58very much
38:58say the
38:59same
38:59the music
39:00from them
39:01is that
39:01this is a
39:02long-standing
39:02250 year
39:03anniversary
39:04250 years
39:05of our
39:05special
39:06relationship
39:06didn't get
39:07off to a
39:07great start
39:08remember
39:08didn't get
39:09off to a
39:09great start
39:10didn't they
39:10chuck our
39:11tea in the
39:11water and
39:12then told us
39:12to get
39:13lost
39:13there was a
39:14frank exchange
39:14of views
39:15there was a
39:15frank exchange
39:16of views
39:16and then they
39:17got rid of
39:18our monarchy
39:18so it's quite
39:19ironic really
39:19isn't it
39:20that they
39:20that the
39:21president
39:21wants our
39:22monarch
39:22to go over
39:23to kind of
39:24bless their
39:24independent
39:25celebrations
39:26do you think
39:27that the king
39:28is a sort of
39:28political asset
39:29in terms of
39:31our relationship
39:31with Trump's
39:32White House
39:33absolutely
39:34I think that
39:35when you have
39:36someone in the
39:37White House
39:37personality
39:38like Trump
39:39he loves
39:41the royal family
39:42and we had
39:43the prime minister
39:44speak to Trump
39:45for the first
39:45time on the
39:46phone on
39:47Sunday
39:48we've had some
39:48difficult
39:49conversations
39:49they've had
39:50some difficult
39:50conversations
39:51apparently
39:52you know
39:52that the
39:53president
39:53was only
39:54after
39:55information
39:55how is
39:56the king
39:56how is
39:57the king
39:57how is
39:57my friend
39:57the king
39:58but I think
39:59it is slightly
40:00so yes of course
40:01are the king
40:02a visit by the king
40:03and queen
40:04is a very
40:05important tool
40:06in the government's
40:07armory
40:08but I mean
40:08how many times
40:09can we play this
40:10I mean
40:10I suppose we can
40:11play prince
40:11we can use
40:12Prince William
40:12he the world
40:14cup is across
40:15North America
40:15Mexico
40:16in the summer
40:17as patron
40:18of the football
40:19association
40:20it's likely
40:20that he will
40:21go
40:21it won't be
40:22a state
40:22visit
40:23but Trump
40:23won't care
40:24because it'll
40:24be another
40:25member
40:25he loves
40:25Prince William
40:26and if
40:27Princess Catherine
40:27goes even
40:28better
40:28you've got
40:29a prime
40:29minister
40:29who knows
40:30that we
40:31have to keep
40:31that special
40:32relationship
40:33going
40:33well it's
40:33been a
40:34reciprocal
40:34relationship
40:35we've known
40:35that we've
40:36always stood
40:36up for the
40:36US
40:37and the
40:37expectation
40:38had the
40:38US
40:38would stand
40:39up for
40:39us
40:39I don't
40:39think
40:40that's
40:40assert
40:41anymore
40:41Charles
40:42went to
40:43Canada
40:43for literally
40:4424 hours
40:44with the
40:45Queen
40:45last year
40:46to open
40:47the Canadian
40:47Parliament
40:48as a sign
40:49a very
40:49visible sign
40:50to President
40:51Trump
40:51who'd already
40:52talked about
40:52annexing
40:53Canada
40:53you know
40:54back in
40:54your box
40:55because if
40:55there's one
40:56person
40:57that President
40:58Trump does
40:58listen to
40:59it's King
41:00Charles
41:00but when you
41:01say he listens
41:01to him
41:02does that mean
41:02that Prince
41:02Charles can
41:03influence his
41:04political
41:04thinking
41:04or does it
41:05just mean
41:05that he's a
41:06bit in love
41:06with him
41:06it's a
41:07bromance
41:07well I
41:08don't know
41:08if it's a
41:09two-way
41:09bromance
41:10but Trump
41:10seems to be
41:10particularly
41:11charmed
41:11by the
41:12King
41:12well I
41:13mean does
41:14President
41:14Trump listen
41:15to anyone
41:15I mean that
41:16would be my
41:16question but
41:17I think as
41:18much as
41:19Trump listens
41:20to anyone
41:21he would
41:22and does
41:22seem to
41:23with the
41:23King
41:24because he
41:25views the
41:26King as
41:26special
41:27he views
41:27Prince
41:28William as
41:28special
41:29and because
41:30they're royal
41:30they can
41:31seemingly
41:32do no wrong
41:33I mean obviously
41:34we know that
41:34he loves
41:34Scotland
41:35because his
41:35mum was
41:36Scottish
41:36and he
41:37has this
41:37kind of
41:38veneration
41:38for the
41:39institution
41:39of the
41:40royal
41:40family
41:40but he
41:42certainly
41:42I think
41:43Charles is
41:43certainly
41:44in a better
41:44position
41:44than
41:45Starmer
41:46and also
41:46because
41:48Charles
41:48doesn't
41:49as head
41:49of state
41:50as our
41:50monarch
41:50Charles
41:51doesn't
41:51have to
41:51make
41:52these
41:52decisions
41:52about
41:53whether
41:53to offer
41:54UK air
41:55bases
41:55to US
41:57aeroplanes
41:57and so he
41:58has that
41:59sort of
41:59you know
41:59sort of
42:01he can stay
42:02one step
42:03removed
42:03that level
42:04of distance
42:04doesn't he
42:05so that he
42:05can kind of
42:06do the
42:06glad handing
42:06and the
42:07charming
42:07it's one
42:08of the
42:08reasons
42:10I think
42:10the republic
42:10wouldn't like
42:11me saying
42:11this particularly
42:12but that's
42:12fine
42:12they can
42:12have their
42:13opinion
42:13I can
42:13have mine
42:14it's one
42:15of the
42:15reasons why
42:15it's good
42:15not to have
42:16a politically
42:18elected head
42:19of state
42:19as it does
42:19give you a bit
42:20of distance
42:20between the
42:21executive's
42:21decisions
42:22and state
42:23interests
42:23you know
42:23totally
42:24and that's
42:25and that's
42:25I think
42:25really why
42:26the royal
42:27family is
42:28so successful
42:28on the
42:29foreign stage
42:30because they
42:31can always
42:31say well
42:31we're apolitical
42:32we're not
42:33this we're
42:33not that
42:34we're not
42:34that party
42:34we're not
42:35representing
42:35we're representing
42:36the interests
42:37of the country
42:38not of a
42:39political party
42:39but any
42:40politician
42:40from any
42:41you know
42:42political party
42:42would always
42:43be have
42:43that you
42:44know
42:44always have
42:45that connotation
42:46wouldn't they
42:47of course
42:47they are
42:48political
42:49they're by
42:49very definition
42:50political
42:50but they're
42:50not party
42:51political
42:51that's the
42:52difference
42:52isn't it
42:52exactly
42:53don't forget
42:54if you
42:55have any
42:55questions
42:56that you
42:56would like
42:56Richard and
42:57I to answer
42:58please do
42:59email
42:59royals
43:00at
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43:04and we will
43:05endeavour
43:05to answer
43:06your questions
43:06that's all
43:08for today
43:08from the show
43:09that always
43:10explains
43:10never complains
43:12see you next
43:12Thursday
43:13have a great
43:14week
43:14bye
43:34you
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