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00:00Sometimes these things, I don't know, my head gets caught up in this.
00:03How do y'all feel today if Draymond just doesn't get his arm in the wrong spot?
00:07And I'm not excusing Draymond for that, but Draymond—
00:10I mean, he pushed a guy.
00:12He gets his arm.
00:13He got too close to the guy, and he shoved him.
00:17He fouled him at a time when he—like, he was not going to make that shot.
00:22No, but they got the offensive rebound, and they got a dunk.
00:25So it was a tie game.
00:26No, everybody stomped.
00:28Like, the whistle blew.
00:29Like, that is—I—he was going to miss the shot, and the Warriors were going to win the game.
00:35How do you feel today if that happens?
00:37Much better.
00:38See, and that's how narrowly we're looking at this whole thing.
00:44Like, here's what I—what I wrote after the game.
00:47I was compelled to go send out a tweet, which I don't do unless I'm like—
00:56Bothered, yeah.
00:56I'm bothered.
00:58But what I wrote was, I have zero expectations for this team without Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler,
01:05but they were up by eight with 90 seconds to go.
01:08Any professional team should be able to close that out.
01:12So, after a game like that, that's the best way that I can sum up how I feel about it.
01:22The frustration is in the moment.
01:25The frustration is not global.
01:27It's not—you know, that's why I kind of jumped at Guru on the crossover.
01:32You'd take the Wizards situation over the Warriors, honestly, because you're mad about injured stars,
01:39but you want the team that has Anthony Davis?
01:42All right.
01:44Like, that's what I'm saying.
01:46I have no issue if you're like, wow, the Warriors just—they blew one last night.
01:52And that's frustrating, and it comes on the night after you lost to Utah also.
01:57And you're like, what are we doing?
01:59You're a significant favorite in both of these games, and you lost both.
02:04So, I am frustrated that the Warriors, even the current group, has played the way that it has over the
02:13last 48 hours.
02:14But I go nowhere as far as, boy, the Warriors have really—boy, they've constructed this roster incorrectly,
02:22and here's all the things from an organizational standpoint that they've done wrong.
02:27No.
02:28I watch that game, and I go, well, that was lame.
02:30And then I go, man, Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler hurt.
02:34This is not a very good team right now.
02:36They constructed the roster, and you could say correct or incorrect.
02:39It doesn't come down to correct or incorrect to me.
02:41It comes down to risk assessment.
02:44And you constructed it in a very risky way, and we had a conversation with somebody about the season over
02:50-under win total.
02:51And the reason why I was really leaning under was because of the risk factors associated with having an older
02:58team,
02:59Steph about to be 38, Jimmy's in his mid-30s, Draymond just turned 36, Horford is 40.
03:05I think when you go that direction, you think about the best-case scenario, which is veteran group, stays healthy,
03:12championship experience.
03:13Watch out, everybody, because this team is dangerous.
03:15The downside is older team, injuries can happen, catastrophic to Butler.
03:21Steph's got runner's knee, and he's been out for more than a month.
03:24And so, yes, you put aside what the expectations were at the start of the year, but now you look
03:30at who you have,
03:30and I don't recalibrate to the point where, oh, that's okay, go ahead and lose to Utah and lose to
03:36Chicago.
03:36Oh, definitely not.
03:37I'm not saying that that's your position, but I look at last night, and your veterans were two of the
03:43guys who kind of blew it for you.
03:45Yeah, they were.
03:46There's no two ways about it.
03:47I mean, Guy missed a layup, and Al had two chances at a pushback, and then Draymond runs into a
03:51guy, and you get to overtime, and you can kind of see it from the outset.
03:55Guy missed about four layups in the fourth quarter.
03:57Take it from somebody who was yanking hair out of side of head.
04:01Right.
04:02Yeah.
04:02My, Guy, what are we doing out there?
04:04Yeah.
04:04Then he made a three.
04:05And I know a guy who had teased the Warriors down to minus two, so.
04:09You know a guy, huh?
04:10Yeah, fourth leg of a four-legged teaser.
04:13So, that was a little irksome.
04:15A little irksome on that.
04:17My friend was a little bothered by that.
04:18Yeah, I bet.
04:19I know what you're saying about expectations and roster construction and all the rest.
04:23They went about it in a risky way.
04:26They were risking having all these vets together and thinking, you know what?
04:30It worked last year toward the end, and then now you get to this spot.
04:34And I'm not saying hindsight is 20-20, and I said it back then, but it was risky going about
04:40it this way.
04:40And now you're kind of stuck.
04:42That's fair.
04:43To me, that's totally fair.
04:45However, I guess the next question would be, all right, what if I gave you the power to go back
04:50in time?
04:52Go back to last January.
04:53Not the one that just passed.
04:56January 2025.
04:57When you traded Wiggins and Slow Mo and Dennis Schroeder.
05:01You don't want to do that anymore?
05:02And Lindy.
05:04And, I mean, do I want to do that anymore?
05:0724-8, seven-game series, beat the Houston Rockets.
05:11I would say I would still do it, but I would have found a way to make it work with
05:16Kaminga.
05:17That's the one that hurts the most.
05:18It does, but please do put the qualifier in there.
05:22Don't act like if they hadn't done that deal, then everything would be rosy.
05:26Like, no.
05:28So, if you don't do, even if you go back to the Jimmy Butler deal, if you don't do that
05:31deal,
05:32then you've got Slow Mo and Schroeder and all these pieces that don't really fit any better than Guy and
05:38Will and Pods, you know?
05:39Completely, yes.
05:40And the Kaminga thing, to me, I would rather, like, that's go back for five years and talk about the
05:47way this played out.
05:48From picking him to then, you know, the way, like, not really having an opportunity to grow because the Warriors
05:55were champions his rookie year.
05:57To then all of the DNPs in the back and forth and just not being organizationally on the same page.
06:04That is all regrettable.
06:06But once you arrive at this year, the situation was what it was.
06:11We're barking at people for taking too much food from the back room.
06:15Like, this thing got completely out of control.
06:18And I don't think if Kaminga is still on this roster and Porzingis is not, that suddenly, like, oh, now
06:24the last 48 hours have gone really well.
06:26You might have someone that's more fun to watch.
06:29Assuming health, of course.
06:30Yeah, assuming health.
06:31Good point.
06:32He and Chris Daps are neck and neck.
06:34It's three to three.
06:36Can't wait to watch this race go the rest of the way.
06:39The other one would be if you went all the way back and you took Franz Wagner instead of Kaminga,
06:45but you don't get the 2022 championship.
06:48Would you do that?
06:49No.
06:50Would you undo?
06:50You would take the Kaminga saga and another title.
06:54Absolutely.
06:54Right.
06:55I don't know.
06:56But why are we linking those?
06:57Well, because.
06:58Would Wagner have done something to ruin the title against Boston?
07:01No.
07:01No.
07:01And Kaminga didn't.
07:02I mean, Kaminga had a pretty good rookie year.
07:04Yeah.
07:05It's just the hypothetical because you took Kaminga and he played a decent amount as a rook.
07:10You won the title.
07:11And then because you won that title, that's why his development was kind of hampered because you won that chip.
07:18For sure.
07:19Well, and I think it was also just because you're good.
07:21You're good.
07:22Right.
07:22You won the lottery pick and you're joining a contender.
07:25But if you.
07:25That's hard to get on the floor.
07:26If you would have been a second round out, then, you know, maybe you start to think, okay, the championship
07:30window's over.
07:31We can go ahead and develop him more.
07:33Maybe.
07:33Because you got that championship, I do think that all eyes went to how do we get one more of
07:39these, you know?
07:39Yeah, I mean, you're, well, and I mean, you're, you're, how old is Steph at that time?
07:43Steph is still 33, 32, 33 years old.
07:46Clay Thompson is still on your team.
07:48Draymond is barely 30.
07:51Andrew Wiggins has just had the series of his life.
07:53Like, you had a, that's a hell of a roster and a much younger roster.
07:58And don't forget, at that time, what's Jonathan?
08:0219?
08:02Yep.
08:0218, 19 years old?
08:05So, sure, the rest of that is all admittedly regrettable with the way that it all went.
08:13But I just, I don't think that's the linchpin right now.
08:16As we all know, that is so representative of something different.
08:20It's not representative of current roster health with your two best players hurt.
08:28Like, let's just, y'all been to a casino?
08:31You know, okay?
08:33A couple times.
08:34You, you rolled a seven after you put all your money on the table.
08:41That's the worst.
08:42First roll.
08:43They're hurt.
08:45It's usually like four or five rolls in and you start to spread out.
08:48Hey, let me get a hard eight and let me get six on the six and six on the eight.
08:52Maybe you'll make a little of your money back then that way.
08:54Well, it depends on if you're already out on the numbers, you know.
08:56I spread it out all over the damn place.
08:58Immediately.
08:59Wow.
09:00That's, that's the way I play.
09:02That's why the damn table limits need to be freaking lower.
09:05Because, you know how much money you got to put out on the table to play?
09:08It's a system.
09:09I'm just like Steve Kerr.
09:10Do you get the sixes and the eights and the fives and the nines?
09:12You don't go all the way to the fours and the tens, do you?
09:14Not the fours and the tens, but the fives and the nines.
09:16Okay.
09:16Yeah.
09:17It's called six, 16 or 17 inside.
09:19That's based on a $5 minimum, which doesn't exist anymore.
09:22Unless you're off in Henderson or something like that.
09:25Rufflin.
09:25Right.
09:26But, but yeah, like that's, that, that's the way I like to go about it.
09:30This is a first, this is a cover the table and chips.
09:34Seven out.
09:36Pretty much.
09:37Followed by, then, you know, the next guy comes out and it happens again.
09:41Yeah.
09:41Because Steph Curry's been a kind of a slow, slow seven out where, I mean,
09:46the point is the four and you just can't seem to roll that four.
09:49Oh, God.
09:49There's an 11.
09:50Right.
09:50There's snake eyes.
09:51There's a three.
09:52You're not hitting any of your numbers.
09:53And then seven out.
09:54Seven out.
09:55They're just teasing you.
09:56They need Scott Hanson on the call.
09:59Seven out.
10:00Scott Hanson at a craps table as the dealer with one of those little sticks is like a dream.
10:06Oh, my God.
10:07I would, I'd pay an entry fee just to go play at that table.
10:11It's Pit Boss Scott at the craps table.
10:14Oh, it's Scott from Saturday nights.
10:17Anyway.
10:19I mean, you know me.
10:21I've always kind of, like, here's an example.
10:25Let's say, and boy, I don't want to speak this into existence, but let's say we get to June
10:29and Adamus and Chapman are both hurt.
10:32Okay.
10:34Are you, are you getting mad because the left side of the infield's not producing?
10:40Adamus and, they're not there.
10:43They're not there.
10:44Christian Koss is over there.
10:47And that ball got Schmidt on.
10:49And you're going to assess it differently.
10:51You know what I've noticed?
10:52I'd be upset if they got swept by the Pirates.
10:54That's the fairer comparison.
10:56But we're just talking about the left side of the infield.
10:59That's the call.
11:00I'm upset because the Warriors lost to two really bad teams.
11:03And that's fine.
11:04I'm upset about it, too.
11:06I've watched both games and been very annoyed at the end of it.
11:08I think most Warrior fans can understand that, for example, a player like Pat Spencer isn't
11:13going to come in and replace Steph Curry, much like Casey Schmidt isn't going to replace
11:17Willie Adamus.
11:18But at the same time, Grandy, how many times have you heard Dibs and I say, literally just
11:22in the last two weeks, we'll be doing Warriors live, and both of us are like, assume nothing.
11:28Like these, you're favored by seven is wet toilet paper.
11:34I don't know why they're favored by seven.
11:36They're the Warriors.
11:37Without their good players.
11:39Why are they favored by seven on the road against anyone?
11:45Anyone.
11:46Because the other teams are not trying to win.
11:48Well, you still have guys who have names that you've heard of.
11:52But hold on.
11:53Let's can we.
11:55OK, the other team's not trying to win.
11:57We got to stop this.
11:58That's organizational.
11:59That's the front office.
12:01That's the coach who's being forced.
12:04The people who are on the floor are absolutely trying to win.
12:08And they are, quite frankly, in some cases, as accomplished as what the Warriors are putting
12:13out there.
12:14You're not going to tell me that you're like the Jazz.
12:17Who are these people?
12:18Jazz fans are looking at Pat Spencer and they're going, who is that?
12:23Who is running?
12:24Who is this lacrosse guys running around out there?
12:27Who is that?
12:29So, like, that's part of it.
12:31We got, like, this attitude about it because we know their story and we know who they are.
12:36But that's what the Warrior roster looks like right now on some nights.
12:40Who are we to thumb our nose at the Jazz and the Bulls?
12:44We're out there running around Leone's, Cryer, and Spencer.
12:48A lot of teams are doing similar things.
12:51Right.
12:51Guys who are not household names, undrafted guys, and just players.
12:56Because we're at that spot in the season where teams who are tanking and the guys who are on the
13:01court,
13:02they're not tanking, but organizations tank.
13:04I like the way you put that because, you know, Utah's got all their best players injured or post-op
13:10from surgery.
13:11I don't know their medicals, but a lot of those guys, it's like, yeah, you're going to go ahead and
13:15have surgery tomorrow on your hangnail.
13:17You'll be six to eight weeks.
13:19But the Warriors have two guys legitimately out.
13:22Everybody else is trying, and Chicago sure is trying.
13:25You think Josh Giddey's not trying?
13:26Yeah, if you have a uniform and you're trying, they're not trying to put crap on tape.
13:30I mean, that, like, okay, spotlight the Utah game.
13:34You and I did the pregame show.
13:35Do you remember the Boxer and Gerson, the injury report?
13:42Yeah.
13:43Like, who are we to be?
13:45Wow, Utah is sitting all their best players.
13:48So are the Warriors.
13:50Their injury report was eight people long and had, like, four Hall of Famers on it.
13:57There was no Steph, no Jimmy, no Kristaps, no Al, no Moses, no, like, and I'm forgetting some.
14:05I'm forgetting some.
14:06Well, Seth is always on there.
14:07Well, Seth finally played.
14:09If I was a one game.
14:10Yeah.
14:12So, like, we are the teams that we're talking about.
14:16That's what we are right now.
14:18Oh, gosh, they don't, this team we're playing is trying to lose, and they don't have their good players.
14:23Well, the Warriors are not trying to lose, but also don't have their good players.
14:26But what if you had a football team that didn't have an edge rusher, didn't have a middle linebacker, or
14:31a Hall of Fame tight end, and they still go out and they win?
14:34Then you get votes for coach of the year.
14:36That's what.
14:37That's what.
14:38Like, that was completely eyebrow-raising, was it not?
14:42But the expectations didn't go down that far.
14:44I thought they did.
14:45I thought they did.
14:46You expect them to beat Carolina, you expect them to beat Tennessee, you expect them to beat the other crap
14:51that they had on their schedule?
14:52I think we grew to expect them to win because they got off to a good start, and the season
14:57started healthy.
14:58But as that developed and we got into weeks three, four, five, they lose to Jacksonville, et cetera, I can
15:06remember we were sitting here talking it out, and people were like, wait a minute, no Purdy, no Kittle.
15:10Go to Tampa, for example.
15:12Fred goes down.
15:13They were four and three.
15:15We didn't show up the next week like, they got this.
15:17I didn't.
15:18I was like, I don't know where this is going to go.
15:20They don't have their people.
15:22I mean, Schedule Sam was saying, Mac Jones is good enough.
15:26He showed against the Rams, and he won against New Orleans, even though he was shaky.
15:30Well, and if you want to argue that the Niners did a better job of handling injuries than the Warriors
15:34are, I'm on your side.
15:36Like, the answer is yes, I agree.
15:38So, like, this is not, I'm not, like, kicking away whatever the frustration is of the last two days.
15:46I just think because we, like, we're Warrior fans.
15:49We know who these players are.
15:51We're suddenly tagging expectations around them on a night-to-night basis that we certainly wouldn't do if we lived
15:59in another city.
16:01Like, if I'm a ticket buyer, if I'm in Utah the other night, and I buy a ticket, and the
16:07Warriors showed up, I would have said the same damn thing.
16:11I'd be like, who the hell are these people?
16:14Who is this?
16:16Leones?
16:16Oh, yeah.
16:18Now, if this was your team all year, no Steph, no Jimmy, all year, you're probably a 20-win team.
16:24But, to me, two of those 20 wins would have been last night and the game in Utah.
16:30And it's more than just two nights of frustration.
16:32There have been a lot of those games where they either kick away a lead or they just don't play
16:37well enough to get it done or Draymond kind of disappears from the proceedings.
16:41So, it's not just a small sample of the last two games.
16:44For me, it's been a bigger pattern of a team that just can't seem to grab that momentum.
16:50You know, early in the year, all we heard about was, oh, man, this schedule, this schedule is ferocious.
16:55It's downright unfair.
16:57Too many road games in a row.
16:58Not enough rest.
16:59We never get to practice.
17:01It feels like the further we go down the season, the excuses kind of keep coming from side to side.
17:06And now you've got, we don't have our two best players.
17:08And that's fair.
17:09That's not an excuse.
17:10It's a reality.
17:11But you're up eight and you blow it.
17:13You go to Utah and you can't beat them.
17:15It's just, to me, it goes beyond just the last two games.
17:18No, that's fair.
17:19And, again, I would like to completely avoid the word excuses.
17:23It's too easy.
17:24It's this sports media thing that everybody, oh, you're me.
17:27No, this isn't about any individual game.
17:31I think this is about the way that we feel both going into and then out of a game.
17:38Again, I join you in that I was yelling at my TV last night.
17:42My daughter called from downstairs.
17:44She said, Dad, what?
17:45Are you okay?
17:46Yeah, I'm fine.
17:48But Al Horford just committed a stupid foul.
17:51I'm mad, too.
17:54But what do you do when you come out of that?
17:58Like, I, at the end of the game last night, I'm sitting there going, good Lord.
18:05You're up by eight with 90 seconds to go.
18:08You have no business losing that basketball game because you're professional basketball players.
18:15But that's based on an eight-point lead with 90 seconds to go.
18:18I didn't walk into the game and think you have no business losing this basketball game.
18:23They completely have business losing the basketball game.
18:25Any team has any business losing any game, it's the NBA.
18:28Right.
18:28They're not very good.
18:29Like, they don't have their people.
18:32And so, this keeps coming up in a lot of our conversations.
18:36And so, maybe I lean too far this way.
18:39But for me, when injuries take over, whatever level that's at, I sort of do shrug my shoulders and go,
18:51that's bum luck.
18:54Damn it.
18:56It's a bummer.
18:58It sucks.
18:59But I hear a lot of blame.
19:02I hear a lot of blame when injuries take over.
19:06We got a substation.
19:07We got an old roster.
19:09You should have known this was coming.
19:11Kind of a take.
19:13And I'll hear that.
19:15But again, that would be my larger point.
19:17If you want to go back in time, two years, and say that the Warriors should not have built it
19:23this way,
19:24like, I'm open to that conversation.
19:27It just sounds like, other than that, though, a little bit of grace for Steph Curry and Jimmy Butler are
19:34hurt.
19:34Fine.
19:35You get grace in a broader sense.
19:37I'm not saying they're 32 and 33 fire everyone because I understand the context of what's gone on.
19:43But in a micro scale, a micro look where Chris Stapps is coming back and Horford's going to play.
19:49And you didn't play these guys in the first half of the back-to-back so they could play in
19:54last night's game.
19:55And so you had, for the most part, you had all the guys you could expect to have ready to
19:59go against a Chicago team in your gym.
20:02You're better at home.
20:04Role players are better at home.
20:05Blah, blah, blah.
20:05So in a small sample, last night hurts because the game really went according to the way I thought it
20:12was going to go.
20:13Porzingis had four blocks, and he played his 20 or so minutes.
20:16He was pretty good.
20:17He's looking a little bit more spry.
20:18He was pretty good.
20:19You know, you had a game that you played at home, and you played, considering who you had out there,
20:23you played pretty well.
20:25And then you got to the end, and your veterans gacked it away.
20:28So in a bigger sense, do I expect him to be better than this record-wise without Steph and Jimmy?
20:34Probably a little bit.
20:35I don't expect him to be threatened in the sixth seed without those guys.
20:38I think if you wanted to spotlight it a little bit more as opposed to, boy, these guys, you know,
20:43choking bums.
20:44I mean, we can have what I think was kind of the same conversation we've been having most of the
20:49year, which is Draymond Green.
20:51Draymond Green went four for five from three-point range last night and still found a way to be minus
20:5719.
20:58Yeah.
20:59And committed the game-losing foul.
21:02And I know that it's never fair to point to one play only, and I can't completely—
21:07And it went to overtime.
21:08Right.
21:08And I can't completely assume that what you said isn't true.
21:12You know, maybe the Bulls scramble and get the rebound and put it back and tie the game.
21:16Like, yeah, there's a lot of different things that could have happened.
21:19But in the end, Draymond committed a very poor foul, and there is something happening defensively that seems a little
21:28bit too circumstantial for my taste.
21:31Like, over the last five or six games, Draymond has had some very brilliant defensive games.
21:39But similar to what we've talked about with him before, he gets excited when there is something on the line
21:46or there's a big name on the other team that he wants to stop.
21:51But when you get these games where I don't know who that person is, who's the bull, and who's the
21:58jazz, that you're trying to stop, Draymond, and all of a sudden, it just—it starts looking old, fragile, and disinterested.
22:09How do you—how do you get four threes and end up minus 19 in an overtime game?
22:14Because he didn't play in the fourth quarter until there was three and a half minutes left, and then Steve
22:18popped him in, and he said in his presser last night,
22:20I think Draymond might have been a little cold from being on the bench, and so your plan was going
22:25to be to not play him at all in the fourth quarter until you needed some D, and he didn't
22:29provide that.
22:30He did provide it poorly.
22:32Might have lost the game.
22:34Might have lost the game.
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