00:00We are all over the Max Crosby story, along with other Cowboys signings, and Trey Hendrickson, the initial plan was
00:08for him to decide today.
00:10The Max Crosby deal is off. Baltimore is pulling out. We have updates. Thanks to the Tolos, Shea, Dee, T.
00:17Rainey.
00:18We'll start with Albert Breer. The Raiders will honor, and how should the Cowboys play this?
00:22I want your updated offer, if you're making one, on the Frankl & Frankl text line, 877-881-1053.
00:30The Raiders will honor all the agreements they made with free agents, both their own and the incoming guys over
00:36the last 48 hours, despite the stunning developments.
00:39All options remain in play with Max Crosby. What they're trying to say now is, we're open to keeping him.
00:47You know, we'll entertain just having him rehab here. We got the cap space to absorb this development, and we
00:55can just hold on.
00:56It's a little bit like, you know, you thought you were heading for divorce.
01:00It's like, well, my spouse, it turns out, there's some living situation thing. They got to stay with me for
01:05the next two months.
01:05And then it's like a nice rom-com, but over the two months ago, they fell back in love.
01:09Fell back in love.
01:10I mean, the Raiders never were really gung-ho to get rid of him.
01:13So, I guess if Max softens his opinion over the next couple months, if they've got to hold on to
01:19him because they can't move him, maybe that changes things.
01:22But, yeah, I think more like what you were saying last segment, maybe like around the draft or something.
01:27Because there's clearly, right now, they've got to rebuild value and rebuild doubt within teams.
01:33Jay Glazer just said that, or said last night, said that there were a lot of teams who were just
01:37like, it's not only the Raiders who spend money or whatever else.
01:40It's just like now a lot of teams feel like they can't even flip switches to acquire the contract.
01:44And a lot of people were getting conflicting reports.
01:47Rossini says that the league is anticipating that the Raiders will have to make the calls to get people interested.
01:54And then Adam Schefter last night was saying teams have already called the Raiders, and Schefter has an update right
01:59now as we speak.
02:00Max Crosby is eight weeks from having meniscus surgery and got off crutches only last week.
02:06He's on schedule, and they're working to get him ready for the regular season opener.
02:10Here's what his knee surgeon said to ESPN this morning.
02:14Now, remember, Schefter said that Dr. Cooper, the Cowboys physician, was involved in the Ravens review as well.
02:22This is the knee surgeon.
02:23Max is doing very well in the early part of his rehab and recovery from surgery to treat a significant
02:28meniscus tear
02:29and the related stress injury to the bone and cartilage in his knee.
02:33He's certainly on track in his planned program.
02:35He feels very well and is already much improved compared to before surgery.
02:40Now, last night, a lot of people were texting bone on bone, other medical possibilities.
02:47Choppy, you are our – stayed in the Holiday Inn last night.
02:51I did.
02:52Amateur local physician.
02:54What are you hearing with this in terms of damaged goods or just too damaged to give up two firsts?
03:01I think the compensation plays a really big role.
03:06Like, whether – if you were to tell me that, you know, you could have Max Crosby for 30, 40
03:12cents in the dollar,
03:13I'd be like, yeah, absolutely.
03:15Just send him my way.
03:16You know, we'll take the – it's a calculated risk.
03:19For two firsts?
03:20Two firsts is one of those things.
03:21It's like, you need a guarantee.
03:24Yeah.
03:24You need a guarantee.
03:25Not a guarantee that he's healthy.
03:27A guarantee that he's, like – he's not, like, on the decline.
03:31Like, you need a real, real guarantee.
03:33And that's why it's like, all right.
03:34You know, if the Ravens had traded a fourth-round pick for him, they're not sending him back today.
03:39Right?
03:40At least I don't think they would.
03:41Right.
03:41You know, but when you factor in two first and then you're factoring on the money you're going to pay
03:45him,
03:46that's a different ballgame.
03:46And the physician, Bobby, added one more thing.
03:48Neil Elitrash.
03:49Neil Elitrash.
03:50The timing of this assessment is unfortunate because the apparent risk will lessen as his recovery progresses
03:56and his return to performance over the next few months becomes clear.
04:00Neil Elitrash, he did –
04:02He did a lot.
04:03He did to Marvin Overshones, and he was the one that operated on that and got him back.
04:07So, no, he's – this is – I would say that it was impossible – it felt impossible for a
04:16while there
04:16that they were going to get two firsts when people thought he was healthy.
04:19And then the Ravens were the ones that finally just went fine and did it and said,
04:23here it is and take it.
04:24So, yeah, I don't think there's – I don't know.
04:28Like, on a rebound, is he getting A first from anybody?
04:32Albert Breer says the Raiders will work through different scenarios.
04:35Some teams called last night, but Vegas is not going to trade Crosby on a discount.
04:40And keeping him with a revamped crew around him is not the worst idea in the world.
04:44Man, this sucks.
04:45Unless he wants out.
04:46Like, that was the whole – you guys didn't want to get rid of him before,
04:48and he told you, I don't want to be with you.
04:50And then they had to trade him.
04:51So, I don't know.
04:52This definitely – this definitely changes how much the Raiders would be willing to play ball
04:58if they just feel like they're getting screwed over and they don't want it.
05:01But, I mean, this is going to create, to me, like one of these historic things
05:07over the next 10 years where if he gets traded for like a second or something,
05:10or even if he stays, just the whoever goes at the Ravens pick.
05:15And if that's a – if that turns out to be a big-time star player
05:18and people just bitterly go, and that's a player that should have never even been
05:21with the Ravens.
05:22The Ravens stole him.
05:23And it's just – it's a bad, bad execution.
05:27Aditi Kinkabwala had just tweeted a few minutes ago, said they just –
05:31the Ravens just reworked Lamar Jackson's contract yesterday.
05:34Like, they were trying to get financially in a place to where the deal would be finalized.
05:39So, she's saying, no, they definitely wanted him.
05:41This is just what happened.
05:42But there's so much buzz around the league about this happening when it did.
05:48Yeah.
05:48And all the time they had to find out certain medical things just feels like
05:52it's the Ravens giving you a faulty reason.
05:55It – I mean, look, I suppose – I suppose that you could fix the relationship
06:01with the Ravens, but when they've already basically agreed to trade you
06:05and you've said you wanted out – I mean, and I like – I liked what the Raiders did
06:11this offseason when you factor in the picks.
06:14You know, like, that's – it's decent.
06:17Like, what they did is they made themselves a more competitive football team.
06:20Residi just had another update, and she said,
06:23teams that were interested in trading for Max Crosby, including the Ravens,
06:26all had conversations with his surgeon Neil Elitrosh
06:28and the Raiders medical staff before making trade offers.
06:31The Ravens' doctors, along with multiple independent ones, reviewed Crosby's MRI.
06:36They were unified in the belief that Crosby's short-term outlook was positive.
06:39But there were concerns about the long-term prognosis of Crosby's need per sources.
06:44Baltimore believed the risk was too high given the compensation it was giving up.
06:48Long-term.
06:49But that also means they think he'll be fine to play this year.
06:52Let's talk about the Cowboys now.
06:56My blood pressure was going up after my excitement level was already up,
07:01and then Diana Rossini, Jane Slater, Todd Archer all said the Cowboys are out.
07:05It's clear that the same person was spreading the same exact message.
07:09We are moving on with Rashawn Gary.
07:11And, Choppy, I can't tell you how much life that sentence took out of me
07:16with the excitement and the high that I was on over all the different possibilities
07:20of a possible golden opportunity.
07:24Fate.
07:24NFL fate.
07:26Coming back around to stare Jerry and Steven Jones right in the face
07:31and reading that freaking statement had me set to go off on those two today so badly
07:37until the Dr. Cooper stuff from Adam Schefter because in no world could you say
07:44that Rashawn Gary is going to make us be out on this potential opportunity.
07:51No way.
07:52I don't care what you spent on Gary.
07:54I don't care what you spent on Jalen Thompson.
07:57And we'll get to the other additions coming up here at 640.
08:00You can't say that your money is dried up.
08:02You didn't go and sign Jalen Phillips.
08:04You didn't go and sign Trey Hendrickson.
08:07But you cannot come out with the company line that Rashawn freaking Gary
08:11is going to stop a potential piece that could be Jerry Jones' last stand.
08:17No.
08:17And that doesn't mean you've got to go give up two ones.
08:19No.
08:20Two ones is not happening.
08:21Or A1.
08:22Or A1.
08:23It depends what the rest of the league is going to offer.
08:25Yeah.
08:26Look, this is one of those things where, like, the moment you saw the news,
08:29you're on the phone, and you're saying, oh, a three with a bump it up to a one
08:34with this or this or that?
08:36Yep.
08:36Yep.
08:36Sure, let's go.
08:37That's what you've got to offer, like, 25 cents of the dollar initially.
08:40Maybe they bite.
08:41Maybe they bite.
08:42I asked Tolos for their new offer.
08:4620 on its own.
08:4820 plus the second.
08:51A second rounder or less or no offer, he's damaged goods.
08:57And we've got a tight race.
08:59Let's go around the room.
09:01If they are thinking about putting something into the Raiders, what is your offer?
09:07I have to get creative.
09:10I would offer next year's – you know, I'll start low.
09:17Next year's three, and in two years, that three becomes a one.
09:22But let's also kind of be realistic in what offer would get it done
09:27with the rest of the league that's calling.
09:29Right.
09:29I was thinking, like, initially, as soon as this thing happened,
09:31my first thing was, I'll give you a three right now.
09:34You've got to take it before I get off the phone.
09:35And after two years, we decide to keep them for the third year.
09:39We send you our first round pick.
09:40Okay.
09:41Bobby?
09:42Um, I'm saying – I'll go ahead.
09:48I had no problems giving up 20 before.
09:51Before this.
09:52I don't have a problem giving it up now.
09:54I would give up 20.
09:55It's just I need some sort of coverage.
09:59So I would say it's 20 for max and, like, next year's third from the Raiders
10:06or something.
10:06Something where it's just like, all right, give us some future, like, insurance.
10:10It doesn't have to be a big pick.
10:11But just give us back a pick that will make us feel a little, like,
10:14comfortable about – we just gave you a first for a guy that a team failed
10:17medically.
10:18I'll do 20.
10:21I'll do 20.
10:22I like future insurance.
10:24You guys don't have to wait.
10:26You don't have to rebuild his value.
10:27You don't have to deal with all the drama.
10:29You can have your $30 million in cap space back.
10:32We were there before.
10:34We're here now.
10:35Let's get it done, out of the way, and be finished.
10:37Now, I'd first throw out a second.
10:40I'll first throw out that second, and they're like, no, we still need off first.
10:44We're not going to get two first.
10:45Right.
10:46And then I'll say 20, be done.
10:48See, to me, it's like I need some kind of protection because what the Ravens are talking
10:55about is the long term.
10:56He's going to get more than a third.
10:57So hold on.
10:58He is.
10:58That's what I'm saying.
10:59If in two years we keep him for year three, we kick him.
11:02But I think they'll get a better offer than that.
11:04I think they will, too.
11:04It'll get done.
11:05Yeah.
11:05Okay, well, then you've got to bump it.
11:07You want to lose him, or you want to give a better offer?
11:09Then I would say I'd be okay with losing him.
11:11You know, I'd be okay with losing him.
11:13If he's not.
11:15For a second?
11:15You're not just going to throw out a second for this possibility?
11:20I mean, the possibility, to me, would have to be like, I wouldn't throw out a second
11:24for a guy who's going to be here for two years.
11:25Okay.
11:26Or a year, and then I guess, you know, he's done.
11:29See, what are the long-term concerns?
11:30And if the Cowboys agree with the Ravens about long-term concerns, okay, what is long-term?
11:34Like, you're worried about year two and beyond, or you're worried about year four?
11:37Right.
11:38If it's year four, then I don't care.
11:39If you're telling me you're worried about even year three, you're telling, like, you're trying
11:44to become competitive in a certain tight window here, then that shouldn't be a problem
11:48if he's good for two years.
11:4933% of the TOLOs have said a second rounder or less.
11:5430% said pick 20.
11:5725% said 20 plus a second or 20 plus more.
12:03And then 11% have said no offer, damaged goods, be happy, you did not make this deal, and then
12:10cut them open or figure out these medical details after the fact.
12:15Because, I mean, you know, there are some signs.
12:17We talked about this the other day with, you know, having one of his worst years since
12:21his non-rookie year in terms of pressure rates.
12:24What did Nate Tice have with the amount of snaps?
12:27He's played, it's like 6,300 snaps since 2019.
12:31The next closest in defensive line snaps in the NFL over that time is Deron Payne with
12:355,400.
12:36And he's played 900 more snaps than anybody else.
12:38And that's, I mean, there's wear and tear.
12:39And look, they were a bad team.
12:41So how many passing downs in the second half has he been involved in of these games?
12:47Not a ton.
12:48Yeah, I know.
12:49And it's like, you know, as a pass rusher, you might, you know, get some snaps off in
12:54the latter half of these games when you're getting blown out.
12:57But obviously not.
12:58There's wear and tear there.
13:01A three-year decline in terms of pressure rate and pass rush win rate, that does scare
13:06me a little bit.
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