00:00And, of course, he was a receiver for the Dolphins for many seasons.
00:04Played for one hell of a great quarterback, Dan Marino,
00:09and some other ones as well.
00:12I don't think Aranda was ever the biggest Tua fan in South Florida, right?
00:17He was pretty clear about that.
00:18Yeah, the plan B.
00:20I stole Aranda's take about the plan B.
00:23OG, you were never a huge fan of Tua.
00:26Am I correct in that?
00:29No, I'm not saying I wasn't a huge fan.
00:32I mean, I was a fan when he threw the touchdown to win the championship against Georgia.
00:38I think I still was pulling for Sonny Michel, but I thought that was a great play, great read.
00:44I'm really talking about the Dolphins era, not the Alabama era.
00:47No, I'm building up to my situation.
00:51My bad.
00:52And after the injuries, my whole thing was, at the time, it was him and Justin Herbert on the board.
01:02I just would have went in a different direction.
01:06So that's about it.
01:08I don't think, as far as Tua, what he has done, I think it was all right.
01:15It was serviceable, but that was about it.
01:19I mean, we catered everything to him, and, you know, it just didn't work out.
01:25Was it talent?
01:27Like, we know the unfair shape.
01:28We know Flores didn't like him because he kept taking him out, putting Fitzpatrick in,
01:32and then he started getting injured.
01:34Like, the injuries and the situation.
01:36But was he talented?
01:37Is he talented?
01:38Because now it looks like his arm is shot.
01:40But early on, was he a talented quarterback?
01:45That's what I'm saying.
01:46I don't know, you know, what you thought was, you know, what the plan was.
01:53Like, because Ross liked him.
01:55Ross wanted him, and I'm pretty sure he forced a hand to get him.
01:59It was just, I don't think it was the right situation for Tua.
02:07We made it the best we could.
02:08And I'm going to say this until, you know, the Kyles come home.
02:11That 70-20 was the ceiling for us.
02:13That was it.
02:14That game was it.
02:16That was fun, though.
02:16You know what I'm saying?
02:18No, it was a blast.
02:19Trust me, I had never heard that song so much in my life, right?
02:25But I think that was it.
02:27We couldn't go up from there.
02:30You know what I mean?
02:30I mean, I think, you know, that first, our best chance was that playoff game we had in Buffalo,
02:38and Skylar Thompson almost won it for us.
02:40I think if we had Tua, we might have pulled it off and, you know, done a little damage.
02:46But that was it.
02:47And then the game when we played Tennessee at home, and we had to win to get a home field,
02:53and we didn't win.
02:54And, you know, we went for it from fourth down twice when we could have kicked the field goal.
02:59And I just think Tua didn't make those extraordinary plays that we needed him to make.
03:07As far as being accurate, as far as running the offense, as far as doing, you know,
03:12everything we needed to do, good.
03:14But as far as the off-schedule plays that make the upper echelon quarterbacks, you know, upper,
03:23he just didn't make those.
03:26And, you know, in a franchise like this, you need someone that can make those.
03:31And so, it's tough.
03:34You know, it's sometimes the plays that I go back to the, you know,
03:38when I think about the Super Bowl, and it's fourth and three, and Patrick Mahomes go for it.
03:44He faked the Kelsey, and he runs it straight up the middle and ends up getting 16 instead of the
03:50three.
03:51And then Tua gets to the fourth and three, and he try to fit the ball into Tyreek Hill running
03:56a drag route
03:57behind the line of scrimmage, you know, to the flat where he can catch it turned up.
04:00And we don't get it.
04:01You know what I'm saying?
04:02Like, fake that to Tyreek Hill and take it straight up for the three yards.
04:05We need the three yards, bro.
04:07Do it yourself, man.
04:07Yeah, you got the ball.
04:09Right.
04:10You got the ball.
04:11Listen, you get a concussion, you know, doing that, then nobody going to put you, you know,
04:18nobody going to be upset.
04:19Like, yo, he tried to run it up in there, you know, in fourth and three to get us the
04:24first down to go to the playoffs.
04:26Okay.
04:27But against the Bears, I can see the play in my head.
04:29Like, he just threw the ball.
04:31Tyreek Hill catches.
04:32The dude pushing him out of bounds.
04:34We two yards short.
04:35Like, you know, that was the Tanny Hill, what's the other receiver name?
04:42Landry play.
04:43Like, we need five yards.
04:45You throw it to Landry for three.
04:48Jarvis end up 12 catches, 14 yards.
04:52Right, right, right.
04:53He ended the season, you know, with 142 catches to lead the NFL, but he got 627 yards.
05:01Like, how'd that happen?
05:03Oh, gee.
05:05Oh, gee, I agree with everything you're saying, but here's where I differ.
05:08I think if the Dolphins, and I'm talking about roster construction, hadn't put so much of an onus on Tua
05:15to be the guy to lift the ceiling of the team,
05:18but instead put a workhorse running back behind him and actually hit on the resources they put into the offensive
05:26line
05:26and turned him into more of a game manager rather than the team is on his back, I think we
05:33could have seen a much more productive,
05:35in a limited role, but a much more productive career here in Miami with Tua Tonga-Vailoa.
05:43Oh, you know, that could be sad.
05:45I mean, could we have, you know, paid a lot of money to get Derrick Henry?
05:49I don't know what running back, you know, I think that running back when Derrick Henry went out and that
05:54guy that was running the ball in Tennessee after him,
05:57I don't know his name, but we could have got him, like, he was so toting the ball.
06:01You know, I get it, but it's just, it's not a big, it's not a big difference.
06:08You just need to make those plays.
06:11Like, you know what I'm saying?
06:12You need to make just enough plays to get us by.
06:16Like, that Tennessee play, we didn't need a lot.
06:18I mean, if Mikey kicked the field goal on both of them, we would have won, because we lost by
06:24four, those would have been six points.
06:26You know, but those are the plays you got to say, hey, I'm going to take this myself.
06:30Only one person need to know.
06:32Y'all go ahead and block the same play.
06:34Y'all run the same route.
06:36But one person need to know.
06:38And I got the ball.
06:40Like, you know what I'm saying?
06:41It's a place we see where, you know, Josh Allen make those plays.
06:45He's like, yo, I'm going to truck these two dudes and get the first down.
06:48Like, it's me against y'all, too, and I'm going to make it.
06:52Like, you know, you have to make those plays.
06:54And I think as the quarterback, that's what you got to do now, because we have gotten, you know, other
07:00people to help.
07:01Like you said, a good running back.
07:03You know what I mean?
07:04But we spent the money on the defense because we thought the offense could hold up because we had those
07:09games where we showed flashes of, you know, putting, you know, a high-powered offense.
07:15You know, even when we were down a few times in the game against the Ravens, we were down.
07:19Like, oh, Lord.
07:20Then he'd come back and we scored, like, 28 in the fourth quarter or the second half.
07:24You know what I mean?
07:24Like, you bring in the coach to, you know, help tour.
07:31You didn't bring in the coach to help the running back.
07:32You brought in the coach to help tour.
07:34And for the most part, it worked out.
07:36I'm not saying they didn't hold up the end of the bargain.
07:40I'm just saying that the little plays that we needed a quarterback to make, two wasn't making them.
07:47Now, you know, we can go into the injury situation and what has happened, you know, but you have to
07:54make those quarterback decisions as the fifth pick in the draft.
07:59You have to make those to help your team get to the playoffs.
08:03OG, I'm headed to Dicks after the game, man.
08:05Want me to pick up that Willis jersey for you?
08:06You can send me the money.
08:09No, no, I'm going to hold off on it for right now.
08:13You know what I mean?
08:14Listen, I think Willis will help, but, you know, just because of the money, you know, now, was Willis going
08:23to get $45 million guaranteed anywhere else?
08:25I doubt it.
08:27So, I would take it, too.
08:27I think he got a hell of a deal.
08:29I get $45 million guaranteed to move from Green Bay to Miami.
08:34Winner.
08:34Chicken dinner.
08:35Where's the chicken dinner?
08:36I want macaroni and cheese.
08:39I want the cornbread.
08:40And give me the string beans.
08:42But, I mean, he's a winner.
08:44You know what I mean?
08:45But you can tell we gave two or $200.
08:48Now, we're giving Willis $54.
08:51Like, do we really think he's taking us to the Super Bowl?
08:57He doesn't move the needle for you at all?
08:59Malik Willis doesn't move the needle for you at all?
09:01You know, not at all.
09:03Not at all.
09:03I think Tua is actually better than Malik Willis.
09:06I was keeping Tua.
09:07It would have been actually better to me.
09:09To me.
09:10Although, Malik Willis has the capability to extend a play.
09:14Which is kind of your criticism of Tua.
09:17Which is, hey, when you need to extend a play, you can do it.
09:20Malik can do that.
09:22But now we've taken away the accuracy piece.
09:25You know what I'm saying?
09:26He ain't going to be as accurate as Tua.
09:28I mean, how many snaps really did Malik Willis play last year?
09:31Like, how many?
09:32Like, you know, like 27.
09:35You know what I mean?
09:35Like, it wouldn't, you know.
09:37They make it seem like it's a big deal.
09:39He was 30 or 35.
09:40Oh, okay.
09:42You know what I'm saying?
09:43You know what I'm saying?
09:44Like, hey, it ain't.
09:45I would rather have kept Tua.
09:48And, you know, just Malik Willis just, you know.
09:52Is he a good quarterback?
09:54Absolutely.
09:55Can he win some games for us?
09:57I'm positive he can.
09:59But as far as going, you know.
10:01Listen, I've seen him, you know, against Syracuse.
10:04They beat Syracuse when he was at the quarterback.
10:06I mean, he's a good player.
10:09But I don't think he's better than Tua at this point.
10:14I think, you know, and with Waddle, you know, it just, the message in the locker room is kind of
10:21skewed at this point.
10:23Like, everybody's starting over.
10:24You know what I mean?
10:25Like, you got to think.
10:27Like, it's going to, you know, it's 2029 for us.
10:30You know what I mean?
10:32OJ, I've been trying to warn people.
10:34But they got to get ready for a whole new approach to Mike McDaniel.
10:37Because Hawk earlier said something about Green Bay South.
10:40They bring a quarterback.
10:41They bring a GM.
10:41They bring a, you know, a coach from Green Bay.
10:44Green Bay gave the ball to Josh Jacobs a bunch and threw it to that big white tight end until
10:47he got hurt.
10:48Like, it's a whole different approach that we got to get ready to see out of this coaching staff.
10:54No, without a doubt.
10:55And so that's what I'm saying.
10:57Like, that's going to get, that's going to take, you know, two to three years.
11:02Like, you know, like, I was in Dallas and then Jimmy came, right?
11:07And so you got one person.
11:09That's all you're switching is one person.
11:11But the philosophy changes.
11:13Like, you know, Dan had past pro linemen.
11:16Jimmy wanted run greater linemen.
11:18And by the time we could make all those switches and get a good running back, both of them timed
11:25out.
11:25You know what I mean?
11:26Like, so now we got to change the whole situation.
11:29Mike was getting everybody's fast.
11:31Like, we want fast and speed.
11:33Green Bay really ain't on that.
11:35They on, you know, let's grind it, play great defense.
11:39And, you know, we're going to win at the end.
11:42So it's totally different.
11:44That's what I'm saying.
11:45Because, you know, the stalwart, the guy you got on offense is Waddle.
11:50You know, how does Waddle play into that?
11:52You understand?
11:53Because he's what you got.
11:55You know what I mean?
11:55He's the only thing, you know, if we get rid of Waddle, then, you know, it's, you know,
11:59we looking at the first pick.
12:01We ain't even got a tank.
12:04Get him over to the Jets with Minka and let's get that first pick.
12:10You know what I'm saying?
12:11Something like I, you know, I get it.
12:14It's just like, you know, it's just like the college situation.
12:16Like, you change coach and quarterback, it's got to be three years before you looking for,
12:22and I know people will tell you, oh, you know, Seattle did it.
12:26Oh, New England did it.
12:27They had a quarterback.
12:28They had, you know, they found a quarterback that was decent.
12:32Not saying Malik Willis could shock the world and win all 18 games, all 17 games.
12:37But it just takes so long to gel as a team when, you know, a guy brought you in to
12:46do something.
12:47Now, they may switch that whole situation.
12:50And you know how it is, Channing.
12:51The offseason is the most difficult.
12:54I mean, I had to tell Aranda that, you know, while he was here, you know, like, it's all peachy
12:59keen.
13:00The play in the season was, you know, quote, unquote, the easy part.
13:04This is the tough part.
13:06You know what I'm saying?
13:07The offseason is the tough part.
13:08What you going to do until that next check coming September 9th?
13:12What you going to do?
13:12You had a good season, but they drafted tight ends from Oregon.
13:16Holy smokes.
13:17Uh-oh.
13:18What's going on?
13:19You know what I'm saying?
13:20This is the tough part.
13:22Like, you know, everybody, you know, if you're not the guy, if you're not Malik Willis, you know,
13:27you're like, man, what we'll be doing, man?
13:29What we doing?
13:29You know what I'm saying?
13:30You Malik Willis.
13:31You cool.
13:32What does it say about me when they drafted a linebacker my first four years?
13:38Yeah, they looking to get rid of you.
13:40They looking to upgrade.
13:42I mean, we all, wait, listen, we all been there, though.
13:47You know what I'm saying?
13:48We all been there.
13:50I just had eight touchdowns.
13:52I just got here.
13:53And you draft the wide receiver in the second round?
13:56I mean, what you want me to do?
13:57Like, I can't get faster.
13:59I'm not getting faster.
14:00The full seven is what you got.
14:03You know what I'm saying?
14:04Like, I mean, I ain't working.
14:06Brad Rose, they ain't working on my speed.
14:10I can tell you that.
14:11We ain't pulling.
14:13We may be pulling slayers, but it ain't for speed.
14:16You know?
14:19Junior send a welcome text to Alex Ingold?
14:23I don't think he did.
14:25I don't think he did.
14:26Tell him to get on that.
14:26Tell me we want Alec Ingold, him and Alec Ingold, on the show together weekly.
14:31It'll be like a buddy cop.
14:33It'll be like the new 48 hours.
14:36That might be all right.
14:38That might be all right.
14:39The best podcast could be Mike McDaniel and what's the other guy's name?
14:46The Offensive Analyst.
14:48No, not Hotball.
14:49Adam Gaze.
14:51Adam Gaze.
14:52That needs to be a podcast right there.
14:55That podcast would be nine hours an episode.
14:58I'll be tuning into that one.
15:02They got one topic out in nine hours.
15:05Holy smokes.
15:08All right, Rondé.
15:08We got to go.
15:09We love you, buddy.
15:10Eat another club.
15:11All right, man.
15:11Y'all take it easy.
15:12Take it easy.
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