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Local 10 anchor and reporter Clay Ferraro joins the show to react to a stagnant trade deadline by the Miami Heat.
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00:00Crowder on my video monitor.
00:02He has checked into the broadcast festivities from San Francisco.
00:08Yes.
00:09Oh.
00:10How many small wings stopped last night?
00:13It's ridiculous.
00:13In fact, I talked with, you know, about it.
00:16You know, he's a California guy and Clay Ferreira is going to join us here.
00:19I'm going to bring him on in a second.
00:20Crowder is just joining us because he was doing some stuff for the pivot
00:23earlier in the show.
00:24So I don't know if you saw the trade deadline has come and gone.
00:27And Giannis is still a Milwaukee buck.
00:30And there are a lot of outrage heat fans.
00:32I'm not one of them.
00:33I was making the analogy in the last segment to Solana.
00:37If you're going to swing for monster dongs, you're not going to connect.
00:42And you have to make a decision.
00:43Do you want to be a home run hitter?
00:46The likes of which John Carlos Stanton rips the seams off a ball?
00:53Or do you want to be a slap singles hitter?
00:56Because very rarely can you be both.
00:58And the heat, they've shown you over the years who they are.
01:02They are a monster dong hitter, which means you're going to strike out a lot
01:08because that's the way that it works in baseball.
01:10And so they tried to get Giannis.
01:12Didn't happen yet.
01:13Doesn't mean it won't happen in the offseason.
01:15But there's a lot of, they're the only team in the East that did not make a
01:19single move during this trade deadline time.
01:23But we're swinging the bat really, really hard.
01:25And I love that as an organization.
01:28All right.
01:28We're going to ask Clay about it.
01:30And then we'll chit chat with Crowder throughout the rest of the show as well.
01:34Clay Ferraro's on the Toyota of Hollywood Hotline.
01:36Sports anchor and reporter for Local 10 here in Miami.
01:39He was at heat practice today.
01:41He is boots on the ground, man.
01:43He is embedded with the Miami heat.
01:46Are you, I don't want to say, are you upset, Clay?
01:50Because I'm, you know, I don't think you're upset, but Heat Nation, just based on the
01:56chats that I'm seeing on the text line and on the YouTube stream, people are upset that
02:01they didn't make a move.
02:02Are you surprised, I guess, Clay, that nothing happened?
02:07I don't know.
02:08I'm not surprised because I think, unfortunately, this is kind of where we're at right now with
02:12this team in this franchise.
02:13And I think, I want to go back to your analogy about a singles hitter versus a home run hitter.
02:18You know, if you're going to hit home runs, yeah, you're going to swing and miss, but
02:21you also better be in the gym lifting weights so that when you do connect, you're putting
02:25yourself in a position to actually swing big and hit a home run.
02:29And what I think the issue with the Heat has been recently, when you go back to the
02:34big three and getting them and then kind of being fortunate enough that things fell
02:38into place for Jimmy Butler, they haven't put themselves in a position because they
02:42haven't accumulated the assets in order to make these deals.
02:45If they had the assets available, they could have made this deal.
02:48And, you know, not necessarily speaking strictly to Giannis, because I still think that's going
02:52to be in play in the off season.
02:53But when you're looking at the totality of these, these last few years and not being
02:57able to hit, you got, excuse me, you got to put yourself in position.
03:01And they just simply, they haven't figured out how to accumulate the right kind of assets.
03:06And for that, I do think there's some blame to go around.
03:09And, but, but to that point, we're just at least swinging for it, at least always being
03:14in the conversation.
03:15Like there's not a lot of teams that can say they're always in the conversation for
03:18Giannis or even the Damian Lillard, where we know, we know we got hurt afterwards, but
03:23just always being in the conversation.
03:24Is that something to say for an organization?
03:27No, no, I don't, I don't think that does anybody any good.
03:31You know, you got to find a way to, to get something done.
03:33And I also think if that's not, if that's not going to, going to get it done, then you
03:38got to figure out another way.
03:39Guys, I think one of the biggest issues that's happened over the last few years, and maybe
03:44one of the biggest mistakes is that I think Jimmy Butler being so good and such a supernova
03:51in the biggest of moments, and especially in the playoffs in 23 and 2020, I think it kind
03:56of led the heat to believe that, that maybe the rest of the core pieces were better than
04:00they actually were.
04:01And when you've got a player like that, you, you either got to understand that, man, he's
04:06an elevator, he's elevating everybody around him.
04:10You know, and I'm not saying that I think they made the right choice not to pay him.
04:13I think trading him was the right choice at the time.
04:15But I also think that what we've seen over the last couple of years since he left is that,
04:20you know, the, the core that's left just isn't the type of core that can get you there.
04:25And so at that point, you got to pick a direction.
04:26And, and right now it feels like they're, they're just going to be stuck on the hamster
04:31wheel of play in and, and then, you know, maybe you get out of that and get into the
04:35playoffs.
04:35But no, to me, being in the conversation doesn't do you any good when you've already raised the
04:40bar around here that, that it's championships or bust.
04:43Clay, what does that, that different direction look like?
04:46Because, you know, I was telling Hawk earlier, I am a little disappointed, but I thought Giannis
04:51was a long shot after I read that piece in the athletic, his one-on-one where, you know,
04:56it was very clear.
04:57He wasn't going to make a stink.
04:58He wasn't going to force his way out of there.
05:00So I just felt like it was a long shot after reading that.
05:04And I wonder what the direction looks like in your mind, where they do pivot and kind
05:09of change course.
05:10Was it trading some of their, their younger assets and, and just stockpiling picks?
05:17Because again, like it goes against everything that this organization has done over the course
05:22of time that Riley's been here.
05:24But I think that's, that's where you have to reevaluate.
05:27And I understand all of that and that they, they view this as, this is how they got here.
05:31And yet, man, I think you also got to look at, at just how great Jimmy Butler was during
05:36his time here in the playoffs.
05:38So I'm speaking strictly about the playoffs because, you know, when, when Jimmy was coasting
05:42in the regular season, you're a play-in team.
05:44When Jimmy was just normal, Jimmy, you're a play-in team.
05:46And then when Jimmy flipped the switch come playoff time, man, you just got this, this
05:51special player that can elevate an entire roster.
05:55He's gone now.
05:56So you have to kind of decide, all right, well, how are we going to get back to, to where
06:00we were?
06:01And to me, it's okay.
06:03If you're not going to be able to hit on a Giannis today, if you're not going to be,
06:06and, and I, I agree with you.
06:08I don't know that it was ever a realistic possibility, but then you've got to look at,
06:12okay, is this team going to compete?
06:14Is this team potentially going to win a championship?
06:16And I mean, the 25, 26 Miami heat.
06:20And I, I mean, honestly, it's, it's kind of challenging to see that happening.
06:23Right.
06:24So it's hard for me to believe that you couldn't have gotten something for some of these players.
06:29Andrew Wiggins is one that I look at as somebody that could have been really enticing to a team
06:34when you hit the deadline and three and D wings are, are really hard to find right now.
06:37So I just would have, I would have looked to see if man can, even if you could get a couple
06:42of second round picks, those are being used as assets these days.
06:46I just, I, I don't understand the idea of just kind of being stuck on the hamster wheel year
06:51in and year out.
06:53I know Giannis was the whale, but maybe a tuna in John Moran.
06:58How did you feel about the John Moran thing?
07:00He might not be a whale, but he's at least a, a big mahi.
07:04And see, I, I would have been fine with, with taking a chance because you're talking about
07:08taking swings, right?
07:10Well, I mean, you're taking a swing on a guy who had immense talent a few years ago.
07:16And, you know, I understand that some of the metrics have gone down and stuff like that
07:20and stuff around the rim.
07:20And maybe there are some issues right there.
07:22Look, if their scouting department came back and said, Hey, look, we've watched this guy.
07:27You know, he's not getting to be the rim like he used to the explosiveness is gone.
07:32Cause you've heard some of that with the analytics.
07:34If that's the case, then fine.
07:35I don't mind that because at least then you're saying there's a, there's a player value reason
07:41why we're not doing this.
07:43But if you still believe that the talent is there, then that's the type of player that
07:47you take a swing on.
07:48Remember, I mean, you go back and all the stuff that was going on with Tim Hardaway and in
07:52Golden State, and I'm not comparing the two situations as far as the specific situations,
07:57but as far as like, man, they, they're ready to move on.
08:00And, you know, there was a view, a feeling that Tim Hardaway wasn't the player that he, that
08:04he had been.
08:04And yet those are the types of players that, um, you know, in situations in the past that
08:08Riley's capitalized on, I guess it kind of begs the conversation of if there has to be
08:14a shift in strategy or trajectory, then you really have to talk about making a shift in
08:22the front office.
08:23No, I mean, we know who Pat Riley is.
08:26Pat Riley is not satisfied doing what the bulls did, trading some pieces to get nine
08:34second round picks.
08:36He is a whale hunter.
08:39And if you're saying that that strategy just isn't working, hasn't worked in a long enough
08:46time, then you're really having a greater conversation.
08:49No, I think it depends on if, cause I think your point about like not being okay with getting
08:55the nine second round picks, you have to look at what gets you the whale now.
08:58And, and if you go back to, you know, when the big three came together, yes, you ultimately
09:03turn that into, um, trade so that you could maximize salary, all that stuff.
09:08But the reality was those guys are free agents, free agency happens before free agency.
09:13Now it's, it's during the trade deadline, the year before free agency.
09:16And so if, if you're not accumulating the type of assets at that point, you know, it, to
09:22me, it's, it's less about it.
09:23And I know what you're saying as far as, Oh, you know, is it time to start talking about
09:27moving on and having somebody else take over for me?
09:30No, it's, it's man, whoever's in that seat has to realize the direction that this stuff
09:35is gone.
09:35Now look, look back at, okay.
09:37Oklahoma city, man, everybody made fun of Sam Presti for a while.
09:40Oh man, he's just accumulating all these first round picks.
09:42Well, look at how that turned out for them.
09:45And I'm not saying that you have to follow that model.
09:46And, you know, they ended up trading for SGA part of that, that Paul George deal.
09:51And that worked out really, really well for them, obviously, but you have to look at how
09:55these teams are built now and say, how can we get to that?
09:59And because the game has changed, the CBA has changed and nobody knows that better than
10:03Andy Ellisberg.
10:05Just following up on, on Hawk's question about the front office, Claire, are we all maybe,
10:11and I don't mean you specifically, but I think heat fans and maybe even the NBA fan at
10:17large, those that follow the league, is there a current misunderstanding of the dynamics within
10:23the front office of the Miami heat where everybody sees Pat Riley is the godfather, the guy who
10:29never took no for an answer, the guy who took the big swings and that he's the end all be
10:34all decision maker.
10:35And is the dynamic in your eyes very different now where you have obviously Mickey Harrison,
10:43the owner, but you have Nick Harrison and then Andy Ellisberg.
10:46I imagine coach, coach Spolstra is in there as well, where it's not just Pat Riley saying
10:51we're doing X and we're pushing all the cards into it.
10:54It feels different now than it did maybe a decade ago.
10:58Well, I think you do have a number of voices in there, but I also think ultimately Pat Riley
11:03is the one whose voice is the one that, that, that makes the final decision.
11:06And, you know, I think he is, he is, you just look at the roster construction over the last
11:11few years and, you know, also look at how things are going with Kahlil Ware right now with,
11:16with Eric Spolstra.
11:17And you know that Spoh loves the positionless basketball.
11:20And I do think that there has been Riley relenting a little bit on the old school traditional center
11:26and stuff like that.
11:26And that's part of what I'm talking about.
11:28You got to be flexible.
11:30You got to be able to, to read how the game is going and stuff like that.
11:33And that's give, give Riley credit for that.
11:36I think, no, I don't think it's much different because I think ultimately, even though he's
11:40hearing a lot of voices, I think he's on making the ultimate decision.
11:43I think he put it into play perfectly the other night when we were at the gala where he said,
11:49you know, you know, I, I'm the one that, uh, when I see a name, I'm, I, you know,
11:53he catches my eye, but then I've got somebody who's going out there.
11:56And, and doing the reeling and that's, that's Andy Ellisberg, you know?
12:00And so it's not, it's not so much that, that Pat Riley, and I think I'm getting your question,
12:05right?
12:05That he doesn't have ultimate authority anymore.
12:09I think he, he takes cues from people, takes advice.
12:13And then ultimately he says, Hey Andy, see if you can do this.
12:17This is what I want to do.
12:18Andy comes back and says, well, we can do this, but we can't do this.
12:21And so I don't know that that has changed that much.
12:23I think the league has changed.
12:25I think the CBA has changed.
12:26I think how you evaluate how you get players has changed a lot.
12:31And, and along with it, add to the fact that it's a much different game on the floor than
12:36it has been.
12:37So I just think a lot has changed and the heat probably need to change a little bit how
12:42they're approaching this.
12:43If they want to catch up.
12:44And Clay, I can't, I, I criticize Bam, but I know Bam is an all-star.
12:49Bam is a very good player.
12:50Other than that, like, can you, I don't want to say rank, but just where's the value at
12:54on this roster if they want to make moves?
12:57Because like Kalil, where seven feet Tyler hero is an all-star Solana brings it up every
13:02day.
13:02I don't know if the values there, is there a lot of value on this roster?
13:07So I think that's why I, I mentioned Wiggins off the bat, because that's somebody who I
13:11think if you're not going to win it, he's, he's the type of player that, you know, you
13:15go back to that championship that the Warriors won over the Celtics, then you could make the
13:21case until Steph went nuclear at the end of that series that Andrew Wiggins could have
13:25been the MVP of that series.
13:26He's a guy who's very good on a very good team.
13:30You put him on a team where he can play his role at a high level, then man, he can be
13:35outstanding.
13:36I'm saying that because, you know, there's some teams out there that, that probably look at
13:39themselves as contenders.
13:41I have a hard time thinking that you couldn't have gotten something for him, you know, with
13:45his contract situation being what it is.
13:47And I do think there's value in where now I do think that what's happened over the last
13:51few weeks between him and Spolster probably has not helped that value very much.
13:56You ask about Tyler hero.
13:57I mean, we were talking about him in the media room today.
14:00That's a very dicey situation.
14:03When you look at, at the health situation with him, not being able to stay healthy.
14:08And then the big contract that he might be due and who's actually going to pay that.
14:12And so I think that there is some question about what the value is there.
14:17Yeah.
14:18And Norman Powell, great to see him as an all-star this year.
14:22They're going to have to make a decision on his contract.
14:25Saying all this because no, I, there is no one guy that you look at and you say that guy
14:30can get you two or three first round picks.
14:32But I think when you look over the course of the last few years, when you know, you're not
14:36going in, when you know, you're not going to be that championship team and championship
14:40has, has been the standard that you've set.
14:43Got to figure out a way to get there.
14:46Should they have made Bam available to get Giannis?
14:50And is there the possibility now that Bam's going to end up requesting a trade because he
14:56hasn't had the right pieces around him?
14:58No, I don't think Bam ever requests a trade.
15:00And I don't, I don't think you make Bam available to get Giannis because unless you've
15:06got something else lined up.
15:08And I also think Bam is just such the heartbeat.
15:11I understand what Crowder is saying with Bam, you, you end up looking at him as kind of being
15:18the heartbeat of, of that locker room.
15:20And the value that he brings to the Miami heat is greater than he's going to bring probably
15:25to any other team in the NBA.
15:26So I think you're trying to find a way to, to pair somebody with him because I don't,
15:31I don't know that you can bring back equal value.
15:34Right.
15:34And, and so I think if you're like, if you're the Milwaukee Bucks, I, if you're, if you're
15:39rebuilding, I don't know that you put as much value in a player like Bam as the heat do the
15:45player and the person that Bam out of bio is.
15:47So, and no, I don't think Bam ultimately ends up requesting a trade.
15:51I just think that he'd have to find ways to, to build around what he brings.
15:54And look, you're not going to win a championship.
15:57If he's your first best, especially offensive player, maybe not, if he's your second best
16:03offensive player, but as far as being an all around player and in a heartbeat of the locker
16:08room, he's the type of player that you keep and you find a way to, to supplement that.
16:12Well, this was a bummer play.
16:14Well, I mean, don't blame me, man, this entire segment, this is the first time I've been on
16:25to, I've been able to get on with you guys in months.
16:27And now it's like, man, boy, you, uh, last time for you.
16:31Hey, make us laugh.
16:32Funny boy.
16:34Let's see.
16:34What in the world?
16:37You put me on the spot.
16:39I was just thinking, I was watching the office last night, those terrible D'Angelo Vickers
16:43episodes and Andy Bernard is the, he, he thinks he's the office funny guy.
16:49And D'Angelo Vickers is like, make us laugh.
16:52Funny guy just puts his hand in a toaster.
16:55Put your hand in a toaster for us.
16:56Clay.
16:58It was so bad when the office decided they had to try to find a way to replace Steve Carell.
17:05Don't even get me started.
17:07They put everyone in this horrible situation by bringing in Will Ferrell to preen and pose
17:14at the camera for four episodes.
17:16And Steve Carell had to pretend like it made sense and had to have that witty banter with
17:23D'Angelo Vickers.
17:24It was just terrible, terrible.
17:27That's worse than the heat at the trade deadline.
17:32That's how you bring it full circle and make us sad.
17:34Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, gave it a shot.
17:38All right, Clay, we appreciate that.
17:41We do appreciate your time though.
17:42We do appreciate your time.
17:43It's just one of those days where heat fans are in their feelings right now.
17:48I totally understand it, but I, I also like swinging for the fences.
17:53I like being the team that swings for the fences.
17:55I really do.
17:57You're a, you're Gorman Thomas.
17:58I'm Thomas, if you want to go back.
18:00Yes, I'm Dave Kingman.
18:02Yes, that was the, that was the guy I used with Solana.
18:05And obviously it fell on deaf ears with Solana, but Dave Kingman took hacks, man.
18:10He was going to strike out nine out of 10 times.
18:13But that one time that he connected, holy mackerel, Dave Kingman could send that ball flying.
18:20All right.
18:21See you, Clay.
18:23Take care, guys.
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