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00:00:01if you're ever sentenced to life in prison you could be sent to one of the
00:00:06most feared places you've never heard of if you go there society pretty much
00:00:12has whacked its hand of you HMP full Sutton
00:00:20you're stuck in the middle of some of the most dangerous violent and craziest
00:00:24criminals you won't know where you're going but you'll join some of the worst
00:00:28inmates in British criminal history the most serious people in the country who
00:00:34end up in prison end up there you could be on a wing with one of the UK's worst
00:00:40ever serial killers he was frightening there is no doubt about that you could
00:00:45even come face to face with a child rapist he was relentless Britain's worst
00:00:51pedophile it's a place where even guards aren't safe I genuinely figured for my
00:00:59life I didn't think I was coming out of there I'm just stabbing wherever I could
00:01:04if you're not evil you won't survive this is the inside story it's tense every
00:01:10single second of the day from those who are incarcerated here coming out let's
00:01:16try to really make people angry those who work here you are massively outnumbered if
00:01:24you're not careful you can really lose control feels like you've been sucked into
00:01:28a void doom's the best way I can describe it and those who know the truth for
00:01:36such a man they should raise that place to the ground welcome to the prison that
00:01:41even criminals fear home to nearly 600 convicted criminals this is HMP full
00:01:56Sutton a prison built to house Britain's most dangerous men
00:02:03HMP full Sutton is a high security prison purpose-built in 1987 it was created for
00:02:11the most dangerous and difficult category a and category B prisoners people who presented
00:02:19a real risk to the community were they to be let out in 1965 two of the great train
00:02:27robbers and escaped from prison as a result of Victorian prison such as Wakefield Wormwood
00:02:33Scrubs Hull and Parkhurst which were effectively turned in to category A prisons but one of the
00:02:41problems with that of course was that security had to be hung on old structures that were not
00:02:49built for that particular purpose as a result they built some new prisons and full Sutton was one of
00:02:59those prisons full Sutton was to contain the worst criminals in Britain and so it needed to be
00:03:04constructed with a formidable design this would be a massively secure prison they had four units that
00:03:12were built when the prison was first opened and known as a courtyard design it was designed not like a
00:03:19Victorian prison which usually had a central hub and then straight wings off it full Sutton by contrast
00:03:26was designed in a slightly different way which meant it was made in quadrangles basically they were on
00:03:34a square there was no windows cells either side and an exercise yard in the middle and there were walls
00:03:43around them on all sides they would also then have the prison walls and the other barriers that would
00:03:48prevent escape prisoners they're going to find it very intimidating it's never had an escape which is
00:03:56remarkable it's a secure regime sentenced to life here you'll have been convicted of the most heinous of
00:04:05crimes killers serial rapists child molesters if you like full Sutton has the worst of the worst full
00:04:14Sutton has been home to some of Britain's most notorious criminals inmates who've been locked up here include
00:04:20Dennis Nielsen is among Britain's most famous serial killers Dale Cregan the Manchester gangster who killed two
00:04:31uniformed police women David Mulcahy the so-called railway rapist who became a serial killer
00:04:39Daniel Restivo hair fetishist who brutally killed a lady in Bournemouth
00:04:53So they'd arrive normally by sweat box bus which brings them in
00:05:03to the main gates of the prison which are electronic they move to the side we move in then somebody
00:05:15comes
00:05:16out of the office with like a stick and a big mirror on it so they can look underneath the
00:05:21van to make sure
00:05:22nothing's been brought in
00:05:32they'd get taken in through to reception where they get booked in
00:05:38they get searched
00:05:41you'll go through the process of being strip searched
00:05:45you'll put a set of clothing on get your bags when they go through they'll have these machines
00:05:50with all your toiletries your foods your clothes just to see if it picks up any metals or any hidden
00:05:56phones and that kind of stuff and then they'll be taken by the reception staff through to the whatever
00:06:02wing they're going to be living on
00:06:13but on the walk to your wing full Sutton's austere design will give an unsettling sense
00:06:19of what it feels like to be an inmate at this prison
00:06:23you have to go through a lot of security between sort of 10 and 15 doors and gates from the
00:06:30entrance to
00:06:30where your wing is as soon as we went inside the building it very quickly became disorientating i had
00:06:39no idea what floor i was on which way i was pointing north south east west i had no clue
00:06:46it's eerie
00:06:47and claustrophobic and quite depressing it smells strange as well even the prison officer who was
00:06:56taking me to the wing said the same thing he said can you smell the place and i could and
00:07:01he said you
00:07:03just get used to it i didn't get used to it in the whole time that i was there there's
00:07:07just a stench
00:07:08and a smell that makes your stomach so it's kind of a bit just me but i think there's many
00:07:13men
00:07:14who tell you the same thing it's like it sucks you in it feels like you've been sucked into a
00:07:20void
00:07:20your legs have feel wobbly doom's the best way i can describe it
00:07:27walking onto a wing can be pretty daunting you'll be looking up you'll be looking down who's there
00:07:33who's there if you don't know your way around if it's all new you don't know who's going to be
00:07:37there
00:07:39you want to meet old friends because you want to feel safe in this new environment because it is
00:07:44frightening there is no doubt about that on your first day on the square wings of full sutton
00:07:51you'll soon realize that its unusual layout poses some serious problems
00:07:57the courtyard design has designed faults such as inaccessible areas or areas where people can
00:08:05escape surveillance you've got all these little corridors all these little stairways
00:08:11i didn't know where i was there's no natural light or anything like that and the way they're laid
00:08:16out to walk landing to landing you have to go around blind corners there was no windows there was nothing
00:08:23once you were in there you could have been beaten to death and nobody would have known
00:08:29people would ambush you people would just hold you up and rob you do you know what you can have
00:08:35weeks and
00:08:35stuff where she's chilled out it's nothing really happens and then you can have months where it's
00:08:40just constant there's been times when people have had hits put on them and they've not even known who
00:08:44did the hit because someone just put their arm around the corner and threw the water in their face and
00:08:49just vanished there are places that you could hide not like a victorian prison which usually has straight
00:08:55wings which made it easier for the prison officers to see a wing it's interesting that the old victorian designers
00:09:05probably had a better idea of how to control desperate men than someone in 1987 designing a new maximum
00:09:11security prison next britain's most violent inmates turn their anger towards the staff i genuinely feared for
00:09:21my life i didn't think i was coming out of there
00:09:32hmp full sutton is a top security prison in east yorkshire
00:09:37and on your first day here you'll have to quickly adapt to its strict routine
00:09:42daily life at full sutton is very routine based around seven in the morning there's an unlock so
00:09:50everybody is let out they can get their hot water they can empty their bins they can get a shower
00:09:55do all of their sort of daily life essentials basically then the majority of prisoners go to work
00:10:03there's a labor board which tells you where you're employed and you've got landing one landing two landing
00:10:11three the cell numbers my name your name prison number your place of work
00:10:18that time there was things like a braille workshop a motorcycle repair workshop painting and decorating
00:10:26and then there are jobs on the wings cleaning the wing keeping it tidy
00:10:30it's actually similar to a normal society really other than you can't just wander off on your own
00:10:39at 3pm everyone will come back from workshops they're normally allowed a few hours of sort of
00:10:45association time during that time they can play pool they can interact with each other as much as they
00:10:51want you can socialize cook your food and go on the telephone go to the gym or wherever that's the
00:10:57highlight of the day and then what happens at about seven o'clock is they all get locked up for
00:11:03the
00:11:03night the night staff come in and then everyone is locked up until seven o'clock the next morning
00:11:13despite being in prison there is one kind of freedom the inmates at full sutton can experience
00:11:20in full sun you're allowed to cook your own food and some people are really good chefs and they can
00:11:26cook
00:11:27really really good so like you'll get some jamaican guys can cook some serious food some asian brothers
00:11:35cook some serious food some people are living better in there with their food standards than
00:11:40out in society yes because there's nothing else to do apart from to cook and you can walk about the
00:11:47wing
00:11:47with a nine inch kitchen blade did you know that in the top security prisons you go in the office
00:11:53sign
00:11:54out a nine inch kitchen blade so you can imagine how paranoid everyone is knowing you're in the top
00:11:59security prison you walk about with big nine inch kitchen blades they know not to use that knife to
00:12:05stab anyone because otherwise they're going to take it away from all of us they'll go and get their own
00:12:09knife to stab someone if they want to step someone some people are just sensible and they've got their
00:12:13head screwed on they know that if they go down that route it's not going to be nice for them
00:12:17they know
00:12:17if they go down that route they're never going to get out so they're sensible they want to use their
00:12:22head
00:12:22get in do your jail and get out of prison that's sensible
00:12:29but to make it through your first day you'll still need to watch your back as a violent attack
00:12:35could be just around the corner the stress level it's just crazy if you look at someone for too long
00:12:42they'll start thinking what are you staring at us for you must be plotting something next thing you know
00:12:47they're running in your cell and stabbing you up because you looked at them wrong everywhere that i
00:12:51went i'd have at least two biro pens on me that i could use for weapons the whole environment of
00:12:57it
00:12:57you end up buying into it extreme violence can come out of nowhere it could be anything it could be
00:13:04spontaneous it could be someone made a mistake and didn't say sorry it can come from anywhere i would
00:13:11say the majority of incidences start off as very minor incidental things me and my friend went to
00:13:19the um servery and we were the last at the servery and rocky biscuits you know the rocky chocolate
00:13:25biscuits everyone else had got one but there was none left for us when we got there we nearly nearly
00:13:32went into a riot over a chocolate rocky biscuit things that are nothing to me and you at the time
00:13:39like they're huge in prison and little things become massive things and people are willing to kill you
00:13:46over just the slightest of stuff and and you become like that too well first evening i got into that
00:13:52prison i had my face punched in i went to get my food and this guy that i didn't know
00:13:58said hello to me
00:13:59he said hello that was all he said and i said hello back and the guy just walked up and
00:14:02smashed me in
00:14:03the face and told me that this guy was in for some sexual crime or something and never talk to
00:14:07him
00:14:08again next time i'm gonna get stabbed violence it was always there i think the theory must be that if
00:14:17you're gonna put really violent men together there is a danger that they will become even more violent
00:14:25in other words pouring petrol on the flames of their inherent violence with dangerous men and makeshift
00:14:33weapons full sutton can be a ticking time bomb and there's only so long the staff can keep control
00:14:40it is inevitable that things will slip through the net in a place like full sutton no matter where you
00:14:47work in a prison you are outnumbered some of them just enjoy violence and if they want to take the
00:14:53wing
00:14:53over or create problems there is not a lot you can do quite frankly and it was even worse when
00:15:01this
00:15:01prison was first opened when you walk into a new prison it's chaotic it ain't got a clue staff don't
00:15:09know each other the staff don't know the prisoners the prisoners don't know the staff the prisoners don't
00:15:13know the other prisoners problems have arisen for very obvious reasons three years after full sutton
00:15:20opened these issues became too big for the prison to handle whether it was by design or default we
00:15:27ended up with a lot of fairly new officers in particular who were basically fresh off the street
00:15:33working with these very difficult types of offenders for some reason we had a bad mix of prisoners as well
00:15:42on some of the wings they tried to intimidate staff successfully on many occasions and a lot of the
00:15:50managers left the uniformed officers just to get on with it and um quite frankly we we lost the prison
00:15:58on the wings walking around to do what we wanted to bring drinking setting drug it was just mental
00:16:06losing control would make prison officers jobs at full sutton even more challenging in effect
00:16:12prisoners are kind of doing what they want searches aren't done properly because staff had been
00:16:19intimidated sea wing as it was then full of lifers eventually got burnt down we ended up one for about
00:16:26a week our prison officers were behind shields you know you didn't want to go to work in the morning
00:16:31in the early 1990s prison officer paul found himself fully exposed in the struggling prison
00:16:40you have like a tv room these two guys stayed in there said they weren't coming out
00:16:46so i went in there to try and reason with them the next thing i know was they slammed the
00:16:51door behind me
00:16:53they got the big uh table legs smashed them up and threatening you you're gonna you know my school's
00:16:59going to be next i was trying to be confident trying to be relaxed but inside my stomach was churning
00:17:06my knees were rocking a bit and um it was not a nice feeling at all and i genuinely feared
00:17:12for my life
00:17:12i didn't think i was coming out of there it can be very intimidating a lot of the prisoners there
00:17:19are
00:17:20very tall very masculine men sometimes they can use that almost against you you have to just stand your
00:17:30ground and try your hardest to really put on that brave face that none of this is really affecting you
00:17:39the principal officer she came down to the wing i don't know whether it's some gangster rule that
00:17:46you don't hit women or you don't you know treat women in that way but thankfully she managed to persuade
00:17:53them to come out though paul's ordeal was over life at full sutton was never the same again that must
00:18:01have
00:18:01i did lose quite a lot of confidence after that i still get quite emotional even thinking about it
00:18:06now because it's um you know it was a very emotional time for me but staff at full sutton would
00:18:15be tested
00:18:16again this time by a volatile inmate from london convicted of attempted murder john onyamichi he was
00:18:26a man for whom violence was second nature he was to some extent a career criminal he had track record
00:18:34of violence use of drugs he'd been in prison before had scant regard for authority
00:18:45he has this extraordinary outburst in ealing where a policeman had a community support officer who's
00:18:53patrolling with him had his throat cut in fact it was astonishing that he survived this was brutal
00:19:02vicious entirely unwarranted attack and quite rightly he was given a very long prison sentence as a result
00:19:11in 2011 onyamichi was jailed at the old bailey for a minimum of 25 years for the attack
00:19:18during his sentence he would arrive at hmp full sutton i met john on my first day as an officer
00:19:26in full
00:19:27sutton he was just a mountain of a man absolutely huge extremely intimidating i met him on a number of
00:19:36occasions he's a serious man if you're gonna fall out with him you're gonna have to have to end up
00:19:41doing
00:19:42something really serious otherwise he's gonna have you he just towered over everybody there was such a
00:19:50large presence of a man that you couldn't help but look and wonder what happens if he decides he doesn't
00:19:57want to be around you or doesn't want to do what you say where where do you go from there
00:20:05eight years into his sentence onyamichi would be back in court this time for an attack that had shocked
00:20:12full sutton he decided that he wanted to take over e-wing he was difficult to restrain by staff was
00:20:23fighting
00:20:23back and was out of control whole crown court was shown footage of the shocking attack at full sutton
00:20:32which took place on august the 9th 2018 onyamichi goes on this rap page he hits a prison officer over
00:20:40the head from behind with a heavy pan steals his keys starts a fire in the kitchen piles magazines and
00:20:48the shoes and puts a chair it sets light to that the attack went on for eight hours but this
00:20:59footage
00:21:00lasting 10 minutes was played in court what would happen if somebody was sort of kicking off in that
00:21:07manner is the wing staff deal with it with the size of him and his level of violence it was
00:21:12extremely
00:21:12hard for wing staff to even make an attempt he was using pull cues and pots and pans he could
00:21:19get a hold
00:21:20of to attempt to attack other prisoners and staff he's really out of control and the prison officers can't
00:21:29cope i mean not surprisingly he's incredibly intimidating figure and he's clearly out of his mind
00:21:37presiding judge david tremberg was shown the shocking footage of onyamichi's rampage evidence
00:21:43that it was so out of control a special team of riot officers needed to be called in they are
00:21:50the elite
00:21:50officers they are sent to the most dangerous situations and they're given the most training this
00:21:55is a particularly extreme example of their use took a hundred officers to control or attempt to control
00:22:03one man the footage showed damage which cost the prison fifteen thousand pounds it has to be serious
00:22:10for a hundred officers to go in it can't be just somebody's throwing a little bit of a tantrum or
00:22:16throwing
00:22:16the dummy out it has to be a real threat to life the cctv footage showed that with a hundred
00:22:24specially trained
00:22:25officers on the wing onyamichi became increasingly frantic he jumps onto the netting between two parts
00:22:34of that particular wing and runs along it he's out of control he's doing whatever he wants and he's quite
00:22:41prepared to hit anyone with anything just to get his own way finally he falls through the netting the prison
00:22:48footage captured this dramatic moment he fell from the railings and ended up injuring himself it's like
00:22:58a really solid staircase that he fell down onto and and just got up and almost continued which is quite
00:23:06scary how a man can you know survive something like that and and just get up and continue wanting to
00:23:12fight
00:23:13even then it takes some time to subdue him it underlines very vividly there are certain units in full sun
00:23:22there were simply too dangerous in the end we were able to take back e-wing but it was a
00:23:29long day
00:23:30he did manage to cause quite a lot of damage in court onyamichi pled guilty to a variety of offenses
00:23:39including abh arson and threats to kill a further custodial sentence was handed down by the judge
00:23:47the result of the rampage of onyamichi was that he got another six years added to his sentence one of
00:23:55his explanations in court when this was put to him is he said i was taking steroids and i didn't
00:24:01know the
00:24:01impact they were having on me whether that was true or not it didn't affect the fact that his sentence
00:24:07was
00:24:07extended the judge stated you are clearly a powerful man you went on the rampage and you cared little
00:24:16for your own safety let alone that of others with his sentence extended onyamichi would not be eligible
00:24:24for parole until 2042. it didn't surprise me at all that he would be fighting and it would be a
00:24:32difficult
00:24:33task for them to hold him certain men when they lose it and their only way of expressing how they're
00:24:40feeling would be by way of violence with onyamichi convicted for running amok justice had been served
00:24:49but for the staff the most important factor was just getting out alive there is such a sense of relief
00:24:57among staff because it can escalate so quickly and we go in there to do a job and to go
00:25:05home to our
00:25:05families and sometimes you hear of people not being able to go home to their families because of the
00:25:12environment we work in and that's a risk that you do take when you start working in a maximum security
00:25:20prison onyamichi is a classic example of the volatility of a high security prison it only takes
00:25:28one person to lose it and the whole place is in danger of going up onyamichi's rampage was not an
00:25:36isolated incident as in the years leading up to the attack assaults on staff in british prisons had nearly
00:25:42tripled in those environments prison officers don't feel as though they're safe you've always got to
00:25:49have that in the back of your mind but you can't let that affect the job that you do next
00:25:56we move along
00:25:57to full sutton's most reviled area a place known as beast wing the smell is different from
00:26:06normal location the beastie beastie beastie wing
00:26:22if you're sent to hmp full sutton and find yourself amongst britain's most reviled offenders
00:26:28then you have arrived on beastwing beastwing is just another name for sex offenders or
00:26:39the degenerates of the criminal world
00:26:44sex offenders have to be kept away because they will be harmed some severely some to the point where
00:26:52they'll probably end up dead if you're sex offender and you come on normal location you will get hot
00:26:59water thrown over you hot fat thrown over you you will get stabbed to bits someone will get rid of
00:27:04you
00:27:04just for the sake of it whether it matters to them or not one long time inmate on this wing
00:27:11was one of
00:27:12britain's most notorious killers the muswell hill murderer dennis nielsen is among britain's most famous serial
00:27:21killers he would pick up floating young men whether it's in the pub or in the street and he would
00:27:29take
00:27:30them home but then he began to live out the fantasy his fantasy from childhood of possessing a passive young
00:27:40man for sex and he would strangle them he disposed of the bodies in a really horrifying way he dismembered
00:27:51them and he burnt them on a pyre constructed from tires he also put some of the flesh
00:28:01down the lavatory it was this method of disposing of his victims that led to his detection
00:28:08the moment the police arrive at his door he's ushered down into the police car to be taken away for
00:28:15interrogation and the detective says well how many people have you killed and nielsen says 15 or 16.
00:28:24at his trial nielsen was convicted of murder and sentenced to life imprisonment
00:28:32early into that sentence he arrived at full sutton there's no question that full sun was a
00:28:38logical place to send dennis nielsen he was certainly one of the worst of the worst he first went to
00:28:44full
00:28:44sutton in march 1990 and he was only there for maybe 10 months he spent the whole time in the
00:28:52segregation
00:28:52unit it was not the first time nielsen had been in the segregation unit during his time in prison
00:29:00i was down the segregation and i didn't have no books in a cell i asked the prison officer could
00:29:07i get
00:29:07a book to read for tonight he goes uh how about asking your next door neighbor i said he's my
00:29:12next
00:29:12door neighbor and he said to me dennis nielsen i said oh ain't that the guy that and he said
00:29:18to me yeah
00:29:19that's the guy he's been down here yonks i said well ask him for me came back about 10 minutes
00:29:25later i said
00:29:26yeah compliments of dennis and he gave me the book and it was called beyond belief
00:29:34which was the first ever book written on myra himley and ian brady but i was thinking of all books
00:29:43why would you send me that
00:29:48nielsen moved around the prison system in the 1990s
00:29:51before returning permanently to full sutton in 2001 dennis nielsen was a very arrogant person kind
00:30:01of saw himself as a bit of an intellectual he would complain at everything and anything i think
00:30:06he took me to the civil court twice for various things that he felt he was aggrieved about lost both
00:30:13of them he just felt he was better than everybody else the only things that ever created altercation
00:30:20with staff were things such as rules and regulations a perceived lack of them being applied equally
00:30:30but at full sutton nielsen would have bigger problems than the staff
00:30:34he didn't have any friends in prison he obviously had acquaintances and he had neighbors
00:30:39but not friends in any real sense of the word no one would talk to him i mean
00:30:46someone who chops up 13 people and shoves them down drain holes that's like
00:30:51that's not going to make you friends that's not how you make friends and influence people in the prison
00:30:57system
00:31:00a couple of hooded prisoners turned up at his door he suspected he was going to be beaten up or
00:31:05even
00:31:05murdered so he picked up a battery that was on the side of his table and he threw it at
00:31:11them just as
00:31:12they were tipping over a pan of boiling sugar water if you're in a top security prison you can't settle
00:31:20watch your back because it's full of dangerous people on another occasion he was in the tv room the
00:31:27alarm bell went because somebody had lit a fire on his bed
00:31:32despite his notoriety not every prisoner wanted to attack nielsen the staff asked me if i would go
00:31:39and play music with him because he had a keyboard but now we just played chess or
00:31:44fucking scrabble dennis nielsen the scrabble cheat so i mean nicking the scrabble pieces
00:31:49always looking in his bag to try and get the blanks i think he saw himself as special that he
00:31:55was the
00:31:55more intelligent of everybody and that's the arrogance of the man i suppose he was nothing he
00:32:01wasn't ugly he wasn't attractive he wasn't sure and he was at all he was just so average
00:32:11nielsen wasn't the only high profile resident on the wing as just a few cells down was the man
00:32:16suspected of one of britain's most evil unsolved crimes the babes in the wood murders
00:32:25russell bishop was a neighbor four doors down he was probably the closest he had to what i would
00:32:33class as a normal friend in prison russell bishop was a disturbed rather unhappy young man he had
00:32:40developed quite quickly an appetite for very young girls and he commits what will be his most famous
00:32:46crime which was nicknamed babes in the wood in 1986 on this particular october day in 1986 bishop is
00:32:55watching a group of young girls the girls are playing outside and the two of them decide they'll go
00:33:01off buy a bag of chips they're called nicola fellows and karen hadaway then they go into wild park bishop
00:33:09is
00:33:10all the time tracking them with only one objective which is to sexually assault they go to a little
00:33:16hide in the wood in wild park and in that particular hide unfortunately russell bishop killed them
00:33:24bishop quickly became the prime suspect and after being arrested went on trial for the murders
00:33:30to the astonishment of the prosecution and the police bishop is found not guilty he truly is
00:33:37an evil man and he got away with it despite getting away with murder bishop's reign of terror continued
00:33:45in february 1990 he attacks another young girl this time age seven inevitably bishop is convicted
00:33:55and sent to jail bishop entered full sutton where he would meet dennis nielsen bishop lent des his typewriter
00:34:05when the age fell off desert's own typewriter over christmas and he needed to carry on with
00:34:11his writings and his correspondence so for a period the two of them became intertwined really when i read
00:34:18about his crimes i expected to see this some crazy monster with a really crazy manic eyes and it was
00:34:27just average just average there's nothing special nothing unique nothing remarkable the only interesting thing
00:34:36that a lot of these serial killers have gone from is their crime because outside of that they're pretty
00:34:42much nobodies but long into his prison sentence the weight of his crimes became too much russell bishop
00:34:50confessed effectively to a fellow inmate at full sun that he was guilty of killing nicola and karen the
00:34:57babes in the babes in the wood murders and in 2018 some considerable time after the original deaths of
00:35:04nicola and karen in 1986 he's tried for the babes in the wood murder and is quite rightly convicted
00:35:14but in the end bishop wouldn't serve much of that sentence there was a little justice somewhere
00:35:21at the end because bishop died in 2022 of terminal cancer so after so long in prison what made bishop
00:35:31finally confess i think it was bragging not remorse that made him tell a fellow prisoner i think bishop
00:35:40didn't suffer any guilt i think he was just rather proud of it and proud that he got away with
00:35:46this for so long
00:35:47bishop's death closed a dark chapter in british criminal history and he proved to be one of the
00:35:53very few acquaintances that dennis nielsen ever had in full sutton dennis nielsen was as i remember
00:36:02just an old shell of a man to be honest he was quiet he kept to himself he'd sit in
00:36:09his room in his
00:36:10little white underwear and read his book and write his poems in his final years he was slowing down
00:36:17he was tiring of most things and his health was slowly fading i'd definitely say he had a very sad
00:36:24existence in his final years he was very isolated from what i saw it usually happens with older
00:36:31prisoners if they're reasonably infamous as well they tend to isolate themselves even further
00:36:38because their crime becomes very well known people on the wing know who they are and what they've done
00:36:45on the 10th of may 2018 dennis nielsen was transferred to york hospital citing stomach pains he would die
00:36:55there two days later at the age of 72. it does just become part of life in there that people
00:37:03come and
00:37:04go and people die and people like that die as well the prison moves on in there you are just
00:37:13another number
00:37:14who will come and go so who was the real dennis nielsen we give him far too much credit for
00:37:24being
00:37:25what he used to be like and not the sad old man dying in a prison cell which is what
00:37:32he was in the end
00:37:33he wasn't a man with horns or a tail or a big black cloak or staring eyes he was absolutely
00:37:41ordinary chap
00:37:44evil does not come printed on your forehead often it's extremely banal they're ordinary men who don't stand
00:37:52out in the crowd next inside full sutton's most reviled wing one of the most notorious revenge attacks
00:38:02in the prison's history it was a monstrous attack britain's worst paedophile
00:38:16hmp full sutton houses some criminals so despised that they are kept apart for their own protection
00:38:24but even on beastwing there is no love lost for these offenders sex offenders the worstest of the worst
00:38:32the scourge of the earth the beasts there are ordinary sex offenders you're rapist
00:38:39and then there are child sex offenders and they are the bottom of the bottom
00:38:45there is a hierarchy amongst sex offenders for example people who've committed crimes against
00:38:52women they'll look down on people who've committed crimes against children and then people who've maybe
00:38:58committed crimes against one child you quite often see them looking down on people who've committed
00:39:04crimes against multiple children i have heard prisoners actually saying well i only raped a woman you raped a
00:39:12child i guess it's like anything you know we as human beings want other people to be worse than us
00:39:18don't we one in me that every prisoner would look down on was the man who would become known as
00:39:25britain's
00:39:25worst ever paedophile richard huckle used to take regular trips to malaysia to effectively abuse children
00:39:36but always presented himself as a sort of english teacher and philanthropist was a member of a dark web
00:39:45group called the love zone he was writing a manual for paedophiles on how to make it happen how to
00:39:51make
00:39:51it work he bragged that young people in developing countries were much easier to seduce the middle class
00:39:58people in england but after a multinational investigation huckle's crimes came to light
00:40:05huckle quite rightly was eventually a court indeed arrested by the national crime agency at gatwick airport
00:40:13after tip-off from the australians he was eventually charged with 91 offenses and pleaded guilty to 71
00:40:21his victims ranged from six months to 12 years in june 2016 hooker was sentenced for his crimes richard
00:40:31huckle was convicted of uh being a predatory paedophile and was given a life sentence and sent to full
00:40:40southern as a high profile sex offender hooker would have to be kept on beast wing for his own protection
00:40:49i met richard huckle when he moved on to our unit he was a very quiet man which doesn't really
00:40:56surprise me
00:40:57considering how infamous he was and everybody knew what he'd done his crimes were especially heinous
00:41:03even amongst other sex offenders he was not popular with anybody prisoners or staff with his crimes so
00:41:11well documented surely this criminal would want to keep a low profile he was not shy about his crimes he
00:41:19was almost proud of it and i think that rubbed a lot of people the wrong way i really disliked
00:41:25richard
00:41:26huckle i thought he was evil for what he'd done as a notorious offender this inmate would have had a
00:41:34target on his back huckle you've got to expect that as a sex offender you're on borrowed time
00:41:42it was no secret amongst a few other prisoners that there was an attempt to be made on his life
00:41:51the inmate who decided to take revenge on the wings most reviled man was convicted rapist paul fitzgerald
00:42:00on the 13th of october 2019 fitzgerald entered huckle's cell and effectively kept him hostage for
00:42:11well an hour and 18 minutes without anyone noticing
00:42:19the difference in a top security prison is how far it goes in a normal prison if someone's running in
00:42:25your
00:42:25cell they're running in your cell to just have a fight in a top security prison people are running
00:42:30in your cell to try and stab you up and kill you during that time he subjected huckle to the
00:42:40most
00:42:40extraordinary torture and beating he tied him up tied his feet tied his hands gagged him raped him
00:42:49stuffed a blade on a piece of wood up his nose so that it reached his brain
00:42:54stuck a spoon into his anus
00:43:00i mean it's almost unbelievable
00:43:07from my understanding there was a few other people who were aware
00:43:10of what was going on and so could keep watch could tell other people not to press the bells
00:43:17and so until somebody quite literally stumbled across what was going on an alarm bell wouldn't be rung
00:43:27if anybody wanted to assault anybody or do anything of that nature it was quite easy to do you could
00:43:35have been in there beaten half to death if that was somebody's wish
00:43:40a bell went off in a prison when an alarm bell goes any free staff regardless of where they work
00:43:47are expected to attempt to attend the alarm prison officers sometimes i think they'll wait until they
00:43:55back up and then when all the other officers come then they'll run to the incident and then they'll
00:43:59deal with it depends on the inmate who the person is and how many dangerous people are on that wing
00:44:06it just all depends on the situation
00:44:11we arrived at the wing almost immediately we were sent back and it wasn't until that evening that we
00:44:17were told that he'd been killed in his cell
00:44:21as a sex offender you will definitely definitely get your comeuppance 100 no surprises there that he got it
00:44:32fitzgerald claimed that it was a good thing that he was doing the right thing and he wanted to give
00:44:36huckle a taste of his own medicine see how they suffered you're going to suffer too
00:44:41when he was found straddling huckle's body with a pool of blood around huckle's head he claimed that
00:44:48he wanted to cook and eat parts of richard huckle
00:44:55i suspect that it had nothing to do with making him feel how others felt i suspect he was a
00:45:02good
00:45:02old-fashioned monstrous a turk and perhaps he wanted to become famous for the man who killed
00:45:09britain's worst pedophile with huckle dead questions were asked as to how an attack
00:45:15could last 78 minutes in such a high secure environment full sun is asked to cope with
00:45:24some of the most dangerous men in the country and it must be safe and secure
00:45:32there has to be a suspicion that someone knew something about what was going to happen to richard huckle
00:45:39it's a bleak thought but it's very difficult to avoid that conclusion but despite committing horrendous
00:45:48crimes did huckle deserve better protection there's no question that even a wicked evil man like richard
00:45:58huckle deserved protection safety is one of the principles that every prison should work by
00:46:05and the fact that he he was killed by a fellow sex offender is a terrible commentary on the safety
00:46:15of
00:46:15prisoners lessons would have to be learnt at full sutton from the murder of richard huckle but not every
00:46:22sex offender here would meet the same end as child molester turned killer mikhail galatinov would discover
00:46:30mikhail galatnikov was a convicted sex offender who was also convicted of a killing in 1997 of a man called
00:46:40adrian kaminsky he was a predatory and that's why galatnikov was in full sun on the same wing as galatinov
00:46:50was homophobic murderer mark goodwin mark goodwin was convicted in 2007 of killing a gay man in blackpool
00:46:59there can be no doubt that it was a homophobic attack and for that mark goodwin found himself
00:47:05in full sun where he met mikhail galatnikov mark goodwin was reasonably quiet similar to mikhail both
00:47:15reasonably friendly he would sort of keep to himself didn't really speak to me that much
00:47:21but from what i kind of saw of him he was always reasonably friendly chatty good spirits considering the
00:47:29circumstances of of where we were but soon these wingmates would become more than just friends
00:47:36the pair met in the prison library at full sun and after a time it turned into a full-blown
00:47:44sexual
00:47:45relationship in full sutton and every prison sexual relations are prohibited however they'd meet up in
00:47:53each other's pads to engage in sex and then eventually that sort of turned into a steady
00:48:00relationship unlikely though it may sound you have the homophobe goodwin who seems to have fallen in
00:48:08love with a man who's clearly gay and had killed a gay lover it's almost unbelievable they were always
00:48:16reasonably affectionate to some level like they'd give each other a hug and a kiss they'd always have a
00:48:21little flirt with each other but galatinov and goodwin decided that they wanted to take their relationship
00:48:28to the next level they decided that they would marry it was the first time there'd ever been a gay
00:48:34marriage
00:48:35in a british prison it took place in the children's play area of the visitor center there were two
00:48:43lady vicars four prison officers for security and six prison officers invited by the pair
00:48:50they said to each other we're soulmates and we'll be together forever and they shared a kiss and a piece
00:48:56of cake but for these newlyweds married life would be somewhat long distance even in a maximum security
00:49:06jail after the marriage the pair were separated to separate wings of full sun and they can only meet once
00:49:14a month visitation which you would have thought was slightly odd it is a strange love story as two
00:49:22people have fallen for each other in a very hostile and strange environment as a love story goes it is
00:49:30very unique and different i don't think there's one like it to be honest i'd almost challenge someone to
00:49:37find two people like them who've found each other in such a strange situation and then decided that
00:49:44they wanted to be married if everyone in prison who were gay or come out of their closets i think
00:49:52prison
00:49:52would be transformed overnight i think it would be a lot cleaner i think people would be a lot funnier
00:49:57and a lot more charming but some have suggested that there could be a more cynical reason for this
00:50:04marriage the sister of mark goodwin's victim has suggested the reason for the marriage was that
00:50:12glatnikov realized he was due for parole in not too distant future and that this was a way of making
00:50:19him seem respectable and upright and a changed man i suppose none of us will probably ever really know why
00:50:28they really decided to get married and separate rather than stay together on a wing i couldn't tell
00:50:35you and i don't think anybody apart from mark and mikhail could tell you why they made that choice
00:50:42i think it's a fascinating question about whether goodwin came out because he realized he was gay
00:50:49really underneath all the homophobia or whether he was seduced i mean there's no question that galaknikov
00:50:57was charismatic and it's possible that this was a way for goodwin to make his life in full sun a
00:51:04little
00:51:04easier it's hard to be absolutely sure what was going on there it's not just desperate desire for
00:51:12a lustful relationship so i think it was a more complex relationship than that
00:51:22next more inmates at full sutton become friends with benefits no one gives a shit if you're getting
00:51:28a blowjob off in next door neighbor i mean what else is there to do in prison
00:51:42hmp full sutton is a prison for some of the worst category a criminals in britain but some of the
00:51:48inmates in here like to be more than just friends sex has been going on in prisons for as long
00:51:54as any of
00:51:55us can even begin to remember gay for the stay it is what it says on the tin
00:52:03there is inevitably going to be an outlet for sexual desires which have to be of the same sex
00:52:11sometimes it's just like you just want to get your freak on buy the bins on the exercise yard
00:52:17you just want to get each other off me what else is there to do in prison
00:52:21but not all relationships in prison are out in the open men do not like to talk about having sex
00:52:29with
00:52:30other men it's still a taboo men are brought up to be ashamed to have even feelings of sex with
00:52:36other
00:52:36men i'll have one person and he'll call me and call me and the next minute i'll look for a
00:52:42smile
00:52:43someone's given a blowjob in the cell
00:52:47they won't come to you until they're really stoned or really drunk and then they just want to use you
00:52:53and chuck you away like an old tissue they come in to say they care about you yeah they care
00:52:59about you
00:52:59when they're having sex but like as soon as that's done they they're just off ski very very well hidden
00:53:05but a lot of us have secret lives and many people do so they might not be too happy to
00:53:11admit it
00:53:12they'd be so ashamed that anybody else would find out they'd completely blank me even though we've
00:53:19been having sex together almost like for two years but outside the cell there they would not even
00:53:24acknowledge my existence because they'd be so embarrassed but this prisoner was numb to rejection
00:53:32from fellow inmates after a difficult childhood i didn't have much of a foundation to build on just
00:53:39just a childhood full of abuse compassion meant nothing in my family my father wanted his children
00:53:47to be like him bigots racist mean-spirited people there were so many opportunities where the system could
00:53:56have helped me well i asked for help and they just said look there's nothing we can do for you
00:54:02you just got to make it on your own all i knew was that my life was bad and it
00:54:07was just going to get
00:54:08badder sarah drifted into a life of crime graduating from car theft to kidnap and torture
00:54:15after the attempted murder of a fellow inmate at a previous prison she arrived at full sutton in the early
00:54:2290s
00:54:23when i arrived in full sutton as a lot of people do it was my first maximum security prison
00:54:29what took my breath away was how feral everyone seemed to be just roughing it out scrapping it out
00:54:37fighting over bits of drugs fighting over bits of meat that had been stolen do you mean from a kitchen
00:54:44it was insane day-to-day life in full sutton would be difficult enough but sarah also had a secret
00:54:54i always had disbelief since i was a child that i was a woman trapped in a man's body i'd
00:54:58never heard
00:54:59of transsexuality or transgender i didn't know about none of these things if i said to my father that i
00:55:07i didn't think that i was a boy and that i was a girl my father would have just beaten
00:55:12me even more than
00:55:13he did already so it's pretty much something that i sat on really it wasn't saying that i felt i
00:55:18needed to
00:55:19talk about and i didn't really have the vocabulary to explain how i was feeling
00:55:26in full sutton i realized that there were certain skills i had i was able to use them skills
00:55:32so that i would be protected i was a streetwise kid i used to be a rent boy so sex
00:55:39for money was no
00:55:40big deal to me giving someone like a blowjob for a tenner's worth of phone cards
00:55:46a lot of people paid me for sex i was young and i was really cool i reckon and i
00:55:52was really pretty
00:55:53but using your body in prison as a commodity is not always enough to keep you safe
00:55:59in prison no no doesn't mean no in jail no one's going to listen to you no one's going to
00:56:05come when
00:56:05you scream they're not they'll just say you brought it on yourself and you find no compassion in there
00:56:13it is an act of inconceivable cruelty and a depravity that it's almost hard to imagine
00:56:24sarah continued to live as a man during her time in the prison system but after 20 years inside
00:56:31she finally had hope she could become the person she really was in prison you couldn't come out as
00:56:37trans until 2011. first of all you'd have to put an application into the governor and you say this is
00:56:45my
00:56:46my pronoun she her then hopefully within the next month the governor will go okay then i am going to
00:56:55let you go on this journey that you're on this pathway that you're on they give me an identification
00:57:00card and have sarah jane baker instead of alan baker and of course as soon as it came out it
00:57:05meant that
00:57:06i was allowed the female clothing that i normally wear every day she used to walk around the wing in
00:57:12her
00:57:13women's clothing strangely enough most of the other prisoners let them get on with it
00:57:19coming out as trans if there was any way to do it it was prison because it toughened me up
00:57:25and
00:57:26obviously for the fact that i was in prison there was lots of parts of my personality that needed lots
00:57:31of work obviously i didn't realize how much it would really make people angry especially like some of the
00:57:41visitors who would come to visit their dads and their uncles and their brothers they never
00:57:47contemplated that they could be transgender people because i used to pass really well and the better
00:57:52you pass the mums and the wives of other prisoners man they'll hate you yeah it's just jealousy but even
00:58:01with their gender identity changed completing a transition in prison would not be possible because
00:58:08that i was a prisoner they would not give me any treatment they would not prescribe me any kind of
00:58:13hormones i thought that even though i was in prison i would be entitled to the same treatment and the
00:58:18same level of compassion from the nhs i mean but not for prisoners prison is not a place of humanity
00:58:26hope
00:58:27compassion all those words they're words you hear very rarely in in the prison system
00:58:34shit schooling shit home life shit prison and then you get out of prison you've got to start it all
00:58:40again next after serving long sentences how do inmates leaving full sutton adapt to the outside world
00:58:48i used to be scared to get out sometimes i had a a serious capacity to self-destruct then i
00:58:56got put
00:58:57under surveillance your name's never going to be the same again since it first opened full sutton has
00:59:11been a jail with a troubled history but with lessons learned from the past does this prison have a
00:59:16promising future today i believe it's a lot better over the years full certain has kind of changed since
00:59:24the introduction of uh probably better better managed prison officers and the introduction of schemes
00:59:32to try and deal with some of the underlying problems of particularly uh dangerous prisoners uh things
00:59:38seem to have calmed down the most reits inspection report calls it safe remarkably safe
00:59:46and well-run high security prison so yes it has a checkered past but it has seemed to have got
00:59:54back onto its feet and is doing what it was being asked to do
01:00:03and if you're an inmate here it's likely that you'll be serving a long sentence
01:00:08but once you've done your time adjusting to the outside world can prove to be a whole new challenge
01:00:16when i finally got released from prison i was released as a category a prisoner
01:00:21so i had outstation dog escort me to the gate and put handcuffs on me in the gate and then
01:00:27i had
01:00:27police take me to the hostel and then i got took out of handcuffs i was on surveillance for six
01:00:34months
01:00:35covert surveillance and these are all stuff where i had to navigate to make sure i didn't go back to
01:00:41prison
01:00:42i was so institutionalized that i i used to be scared to get out sometimes and when i got out
01:00:49i
01:00:49couldn't last because i couldn't cope with the outside world one of my biggest struggles is socializing
01:00:55when i'm around groups of people i just turn into a different person sometimes because i just don't
01:00:59know how to cope with their emotional experiences
01:01:04the night before i used to go home i used to lie in my bed and think if you can
01:01:09do this if you don't
01:01:11rob you don't burgle you don't steal but i had a serious capacity to self-destruct and ruin any chances
01:01:23of
01:01:23anything good for myself i thought i'd come out and half start off where i left off and it that's
01:01:31not
01:01:31going to work i realized i couldn't be what i used to be and life's moved on and all that's
01:01:39passed you
01:01:39now
01:01:44but the old habits you've learned from prison life can be hard to lose prison makes you hyper vigilant
01:01:51it makes you see people in their worst light because you're looking for threats
01:02:00i've been quite lucky since i got out of jail get lots of help i mean my parole officer and
01:02:05that they
01:02:06give me lots of help i have a psychiatrist and a psychologist who really work harder to try and
01:02:12pick that 30 years in prison what do they think i was going to be like when i got out
01:02:16you know i mean
01:02:19full certain maximum security done my brain in how you can ever be well after such a long experience of
01:02:30experiencing those kind of feelings day in and day out for years and years and years
01:02:35is beyond me because i even go places outside here now and i'm tense and i'm thinking there's no
01:02:40reason to be tense but you live in that way for so long it becomes second nature you need good
01:02:47people
01:02:47around you when you come out of prison in this country they just lock you up and then let you
01:02:53out
01:02:54with the threat of locking you up again and that's it nothing's done nothing's changed
01:03:01and as a former inmate you may not be the only one struggling with life outside the prison walls
01:03:08myself and a lot of prison staff struggled and still struggle in the outside world you notice
01:03:16yourself getting nervous in crowded spaces checking over your shoulder a lot of staff in there changed the
01:03:22way they parent because of who they worked with them and what happened people who don't work in
01:03:28prisons who don't see prisoners who don't see the levels of violence that these people can commit
01:03:34day to day don't fully understand the sort of things you deal with full sutton has had a lasting impact
01:03:43on
01:03:43those who lived and worked inside its high walls but did this prison change inmates for the better
01:03:51the judge who sentenced me he told me prison was going to change my life and make me a better
01:03:56person
01:03:58no it didn't at all there was no one in full sun or maximum security to say you know what
01:04:04you can be better than this i saw people who were damaged people who were brutalized people who were
01:04:10traumatized by their past and all they could do was continue that that spiral each time i came out with
01:04:19no
01:04:19plan i continued and continued in the same way for all those years and years years just feels like a
01:04:27complete waste of life i think it's important that we start looking at how we can actually change the
01:04:35people help them a little bit more because they will be getting out and they will be amongst us
01:04:41if you get the right role models in prison you know you get to know you and know where your
01:04:47thinking
01:04:47is wrong and can guide you step by step bit by bit spotting talents abilities in you that all of
01:04:57us
01:04:57have as individuals and get you into that teach yourself something new education reading life skills
01:05:06do whatever you've got to do that that's going to make sure that you're not going to go back to
01:05:10your
01:05:11roadways when you get out but ultimately jail became my home it's part and parcel of the game that i
01:05:19chose and the lifestyle that i chose to live i understand the need to put people in jails like full
01:05:31sun people want to feel that they're getting their justice but if people demand that people are sent
01:05:38to prison just for the fact of revenge this spiral this circle nothing stops that
01:05:49what did i learn from full sun
01:05:54i learned how to survive
01:06:01that's it two independent investigations found no concerns about staff at the time of richard huckle's
01:06:08death a recent independent report highlighted satisfactory resettlement work for those released
01:06:13directly from full sutton a prison service spokesperson said the claims made are unfounded a recent
01:06:19independent report highlighted good relationships between staff and prisoners
01:06:2520 years ago a scottish banker was killed the case baffling detectives ever since murder
01:06:31on the doorstep investigates new tomorrow at nine next tonight a routine stop turns into a chase
01:06:36then worse motorway cops calling back up catching britain speeders next