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Seth and Sean discuss Nick Caserio calling the CJ Stroud trade smoke "moronic," and assess which of the pundits pushing the topic is the big moron.
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00:00Big quote that got a lot of attention yesterday from Nick Casario was trading C.J. Stroud would
00:06be moronic. Here's the audio with a preface that it's not great audio quality. Nick was
00:12doing a media scrum with a handful of Houston media members before he did his big national
00:17podium. So the moronic part gets expressed at the very, very beginning of this cut. Take a listen.
00:23It's moronic. Like we're not trading a guy. He's a moronic. So he's going to be playing
00:27quarterback for the Houston Texans in 2020. So anything beyond that? I mean, again, like
00:33that's, that's your world. You guys can expect that, but we're not trading C.J. Stroud.
00:38Okay. So that's a shortcut, but the moronic part, I think it's a lot of attention just
00:43because it's fun. Um, and it's calling media members morons. It's no, but it's also, I think
00:49we're, we're all reading too much into everything. Every GM and coach says that this thing, that's,
00:54that's, that's a given. I do think that it's one thing when a GM just gives the GM speak
00:59about how, you know, well, we're evaluating everything or no, he's our quarterback. We're
01:04not trading to call it moronic. That's, that's pretty emphatic. And it's not like, it's not
01:08like Nick goes necessarily that route and trying to get people off the trail or anything or
01:13to drive a price high. That part of it feels emphatic enough. Well, at the same time pointing
01:18out that, okay, he's our quarterback for 2026. Yeah. Well, that's where I was going
01:22with it. That's where I was going to say was that, that the moronic part, I think grabs
01:27attention because it's a word a GM doesn't use very often. The 2026 part is the, is the
01:32much more salient part of this whole thing, which is okay. How do you really feel about
01:40C.J. Stroud big picture? Yeah. Because it said that's quite honestly, even with the bad
01:45playoff performance, it's an easy decision to make C.J. Stroud your starting quarterback
01:50in 2026. That's not a hard decision to make. The hard decision to make is to make him your
01:55starting quarterback in 2029 and 2030. And I think that's what, that's where to me, that
02:02quote opens up that question is okay. But where, where really are you with C.J. Stroud?
02:06Right. And that's where, I don't know, at some point, I guess who makes the call? The, is
02:14it Mulligetta at some point calling the Texans and saying, Hey, like seriously guys, what are
02:19we thinking about this? Or do you think, yeah, who guys, I feel like they're in a situation where
02:23Mulligetta calls first. Uh, and that's an unfair way to put it because usually how these things
02:28happen is the Texans are going to talk to Mulligetta about, they're going to talk to Mulligetta at some
02:34point this, this week about one of Mulligetta's draft prospect clients or something. Sure. And
02:39it comes up in conversation organically, or you try to make it look organic. So, um, but if it were
02:46a situation where somebody had to make a call, who do you think makes the call? Well, if you're
02:51asking, basically it's like asking who's more motivated to do it. And I think, I think, I think
02:55CJ's side is that's where the motivation lies right now. I don't know if the Texans are hyper motivated
03:00to fork over $220 million to CJ Stroud right now. You know what? No, I think most teams in most
03:07situations like this would prefer, they would love it if the quarterback just, you know, wanted to
03:13wait until you'd franchise tagged them in his sixth year or something that you could kick the can down
03:19the road until you feel really good about it. Um, I think with quarterbacks, it's pretty obvious over
03:25the course of the history of the NFL, it's really hard to know what you have in a quarterback in
03:29year
03:29three. Um, it's really hard sometimes to know what you have a quarterback in year five.
03:33No doubt. And I think that's where they are right now. They, they probably feel like we're right at
03:38that point where we've seen CJ do some really good things as a young quarterback. We've seen him
03:42struggle as a young quarterback and we don't know exactly who he is or necessarily what his realistic
03:48ceiling is yet. And yet there's this precedent now where all these guys are so many of these guys
03:54are getting deals after their third year. That's, that's a great way to frame it. Like you,
03:58you teams don't even know. Some of teams don't even know what they have in year five. I'll just
04:03use an example of a quarterback who got paid after three years that weren't as good as CJ's first three
04:09years, but got paid premium market prices in both guaranteed money and average annual value. And he's
04:15in the division and it's Trevor Lawrence. And I know Trevor Lawrence had a dynamite second half of the
04:19season this past year. I know he finished fifth in the MVP voting. Do you think deep down that Liam
04:25Cohen and James Gladstone feel confident that Trevor Lawrence in year six is going to look like
04:31the Trevor Lawrence of the last eight games of 2025? I think they feel that appropriate amount of the
04:39appropriate amount of delusional optimism, um, where you, you're like, yep, believe the best in
04:44this want to see it happen. But they also know the rational side of their brains are that you just
04:49never know if you're in the league for any amount of time, you just really don't know until you
04:52actually see it. That guy is so up and down. Yeah. They're, they're optimistic about it, I think,
04:56but yeah, they, I could guarantee you that Liam Cohen still thinks that Trevor Lawrence has a lot
05:01of work to do. Absolutely. Yeah. He's certainly not a finished product and where he wants them to
05:05be, but he's probably optimistic about it. But if, if you could get him completely honest after six or
05:11seven beers or something, yeah, I don't think he's going to claim he knows as a fact that he's going
05:15to be the guy. Yep. Um, who I would say even, I mean, I would go to like Pat Mahomes
05:23after his third
05:24year, he still wasn't, you didn't know exactly what he was going to be as a quarterback. He still
05:30had to go through that year, that first year that he didn't have Tyreek Hill, um, to where he kind
05:36of
05:36had to change as a quarterback and learn how to be more conservative at times. And you can't always
05:40be pushing the ball down the, down the field deep and all that. So, I mean, you knew he was
05:44a really,
05:45really good quarterback, but he still wasn't a fully developed quarterback. No, he wasn't fully
05:48developed, but when you're winning MVPs and Super Bowl MVPs, people will be like, all right,
05:52yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not trying to make a direct comparison to CJ's situation whatsoever.
05:57Right, right. But I think it's just an example that even Pat Mahomes quarterback is a complicated
06:02position. He wasn't a fully developed NFL quarterback after his third season. There
06:06were some, there were still some steps he had to take. Who are the morons that Nick is calling out?
06:11I've got three. Um, yeah. So Nick is saying that, that, that CJ Stroud trade speculation is moronic.
06:18Here is a, we'll determine, are these three people? To be clear, I think he's saying that the,
06:24the thought that, that he would trade CJ Stroud is moronic. Okay. I think that's important. That's
06:30important. If we're going to judge who, who the actual morons are. Okay. Well, let's judge ourselves
06:34here. Is Albert Breer, is Albert Breer a moron? I think some of these teams out here are going to
06:41quietly take big swings at quarterback and call teams. You wouldn't think that you, you'd be able to
06:46call. And I think that that's going to be a big piece. Now we're going to have like the
06:49reclamation. Would you take a swing at Joe Burrow? I would call. I mean, and that's sort of what I'm
06:54getting at. Okay. You know, like I think teams are going to call Cincinnati on Joe Burrow. I think
06:58teams are going to call Houston on CJ Stroud. Now, please don't aggregate this. Anyone is shopping
07:03anyone because that's not what this is. Good luck with that. That's not what this is. But when you look
07:06at
07:06the makeup of where we are, right, and look, Fernando Mendoza, I mean, fit him in silver and
07:14black right now. He's going to be, he's going to be a, he's going to be a Las Vegas Raider.
07:19There's a massive drop off. There's not another quarterback that people are excited about in
07:23this year's class. Yeah. That was from the Dan Patrick show. Is that, I would say he's not a
07:30moron. He very specifically point painted this as, Hey, teams are going to make big,
07:35unrealistic swings. They're going to make calls and that he's not, he very, he specifically said
07:40that that doesn't mean that CJ Stroud is on the, uh, you know, on the board and the Texans are
07:47interested in moving on from the most moronic thing Albert Breer did in that 50 seconds of audio or
07:51whatever it was, was ask people to not aggregate it. Yeah. Please don't aggregate it. Yeah. Yeah.
07:57Like, you know, please don't act like a, please don't act like vulture human beings that aggregators
08:02are and do what you do. You just, you just increased your chances. I surely dove Clemen. If you're
08:07listening, uh, I trust that you'll treat this with the utmost respect and nuance that it requires.
08:14You know that ML football is going to frame this perfectly dove Clemen or ML football is your
08:20ambassador. Right. It's like your ambassador to Iran. Yes, that's exactly right. I've got a very
08:27sensitive message that I need you to deliver to leadership. Tough Clemen to the Iranian.
08:35Oh my God. All right. Uh, here's okay. So we're, we're, we're evaluating are these statements about CJ
08:44Stroud trade talk. The moronic conjecture that Nick Casario is referring to is Todd McShay a moron.
08:52CJ Stroud's a name. Does he need a new, new scenery? Joe Burrow's a long shot. No one thinks
08:58it's going to happen, but like, I'm just getting out ahead of, you're going to hear some information,
09:02whether it's at the forefront, like on the ticker or some whispers and rumors that, wow, someone
09:10allegedly threw a lot of money and a lot of picks and a lot of, you know, a lot of
09:14compensation
09:15offer, uh, offers in a package to try to get Joe Burrow out of Cincinnati. So be prepared for that.
09:21Okay. Yeah. He makes a little Burrow talk in there too. This veers a little bit more towards
09:26idiocy, uh, or more moronicness, more, more inicity, more, a couple of really smart guys trying to
09:36figure out the word moron. How do you, how do you turn a noun like moron into more of a
09:42movement?
09:44You know, like moronicity. Hey, chat GPT, chat GTP. How do you make a moron sound like a part of
09:58like
09:58a big group of morons? He veers a little bit more towards moron only because the, uh, the change of
10:12scenery part I found interesting because if you interpret that as, Hey, maybe the Texans think
10:18what CJ Stroud needs is a change of scenery. That would be moronic. Yes. If, if, if Nick Casario were
10:24to
10:24say, you know what? Um, I don't know if we've provided him what he needs. So we should do is
10:29go
10:30and see if he can flourish elsewhere instead of actually trying to provide him actually what he
10:35needs. We need to just, let's give him a chance to go ahead and spread his wings. And then someone's
10:40getting a Nick and explaining to him, Nick, it's not an exchange student program. He's not coming back.
10:46He's not, you're not sending him off to a six week dog training, sending him off to McVay school and
10:52then bringing him back. Like he's not going, he's not studying abroad for a year. Um, so I would say,
10:57no, this doesn't classify as morons. Now the people who aggregated that clip and who gave headlines,
11:02there are a lot of headlines based on those two clips we just played where they're very much
11:06talking about teams potentially calling the Texans that got aggregated into stories about how the
11:12Texans might be interested in trading CJ Stroud. All right. So we are, we're trying to evaluate this
11:16audio. Let's see. Also, I want to just take this moment to acknowledge where we've come as a
11:22franchise that two or three years ago, it would have been, this is the organization that traded
11:30Deandre Hopkins for a bag of peanuts. Yep. This is the, the team that had the whole Deshaun Watson
11:37situation who would have ever predicted that now that's not the Texans weren't morons for trading
11:42him, but it was just, it was something you never could have predicted. Yeah. I feel like I haven't
11:46seen that enter. I haven't seen anybody say, well, of course the Texans are idiots. They're going to
11:50trade him. So they've come a long way. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think D'Amico arriving almost
11:56drove that odor out of the building, you know, and that's, that's not, and that doesn't mean that
12:00Nick was doing dumb things for two years as the GM. He just happened to be the GM for a
12:04team where
12:05Jackie used to be still in the building and you're, you're, you know, you're forced to still make me,
12:09you're, you're not a place. Anybody, it was not a, a destination location for anybody. So you can
12:14sign anybody good, all that stuff. They've, uh, they've, uh, they've gone the Virginia Slims
12:19route. They've come a long way. That's a good, the Virginia Slimification of the Houston Texans.
12:24Now that works. Moronicity. I'm not quite sure. Kids, there was a time in America where cigarette
12:29ads were like at the vanguard of creativity and both print and I think television, right? You could
12:35advertise it on TV. Good question. I don't remember. I think you could. Well, way back,
12:38they used to have doctors in white coats telling you about which the health benefits of cigarettes.
12:43These are the healthiest cigarettes right here. Well, you could do, we know you could do smokeless
12:48tobacco because Earl Campbell had those skull commercials, which were amazing.
12:52Skull. Remember? Oh, dude. You're right. Iconic. He's on a beach walking with a really
12:57hot looking chick and he kind of turns around to the camera and he's like skull brother.
13:02I'm like, you're the coolest guy ever. Oh, my testosterone levels just spiked. I know.
13:06Big thighs of his. Yeah. Oh yeah. He had, he had on like tight swim trunks and a no shirt
13:12and the thighs, the size of a ham hock. That is a man. That's right. Skull brother. All right. Last
13:19one. Ryan Fitzpatrick is this, is this Texans legend Texans legend. Ryan Fitzpatrick. Is he a moron?
13:28If you're CJ Stroud's agent, you're going in there and saying, look, all the other big time
13:32quarterbacks, they got paid after their third year and we want $60 million a year. I just think
13:38that the people in that building that are around him every day, CJ Stroud, they're the ones that
13:43are going to have to make a decision on this guy. Is this guy we want leading our building? Who
13:48knows
13:48what CJ Stroud does? I mean, if they don't give him the contract, is he going to sit and wait
13:53and say,
13:54guys, I'm not showing up until you pay me because that's probably the advice that his agent is going
13:58to give them. And so you look at their year overall, Davis Mills steps in, does a great job
14:03placeholder for CJ. When he was out with a concussion for those weeks, did it feel like
14:08it was a huge drop off when Davis Mills was in? No, I just think that this is one to
14:12keep an eye on
14:13because I think it could get ugly this off season. But if you have hesitations about CJ being the face
14:17of
14:18your franchise, this is me not knowing anything. I think there's a chance. Maybe you trade him this
14:23off season. Ah, that, I think that one, uh, that's the closest one to more and Harvard
14:29trained quarterback. Yeah. Uh, irony, the name is Fitzy. Yeah. Part of it too, is that Fitz had at
14:35least a couple of these where he kept pushing. He wasn't just pushing CJ's. This is the problem with
14:40it was he's, this is why, this is why it, uh, approaches more on his city. It's that he's painting
14:48Davis Mills as obviously just as good. Hey, you've got Davis Mills in the building. Why would
14:53you, why would you cling on to CJ Stroud? Right. That's the part that I think getting aggressive.
14:58He's, he's making the Texans the aggressor in the trade talks here. Yeah. He's making the Texans
15:04sound like they should be shopping CJ Stroud. Yeah. Yeah. I think, I think Nick Casario just called
15:09Harvard trained quarterback, Ryan Fitzpatrick. I think you're right. Yeah. I think he did.
15:14He just called a Harvard graduate quarterback, a moron. You, sir, on the wonder lick or some
15:21moron. That's right. Didn't he real high? Yeah. Real high, real high. Ironically, Ryan Fitzpatrick,
15:27the moron that Nick Casario is referring. He's the moron that we needed. Look, I can paint you
15:32to any number of us presidents who are Harvard grads and tell you, look, yeah, morons do come
15:36out of Harvard. Okay. Or any financial crisis you want to look at how many, how many Harvard
15:42Indians were Harvard Indian, Harvard, it's Harvardites. Harvardites. We're at the root
15:46of all of those. That's right. That's right. And I hope my daughter's listening right now.
15:49No, I'm not saying she's one of them. No, I know. Just hearing, hearing her school get,
15:53you know, like those graduates dragged through the mud. She might enjoy it actually. Idiots
15:57abound. No. She herself calls herself a meathead. So she, I mean, she's, she was an athlete
16:02there, you know, she did good, but she was an athlete there. It's one thing I've learned
16:05about any organization anywhere in the world in any point in history is that all of them,
16:11you know, as long as there's a, you know, a sizable amount of people in it, there's a
16:15bunch of idiots and a bunch of geniuses. Yes. Whether you're talking about a community
16:19college or Harvard, there's a, there's a bunch of, there's geniuses and idiots at the community
16:23colleges. There's, there's like more geniuses at Harvard, but also a healthy amount of idiots.
16:28A thousand percent, a thousand percent.
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