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Venezuelan Acting President Delcy Rodriguez leads meeting with victims of political violence in the Miraflores Palace, in the framework of the approval of the Amnesty Law. teleSUR
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00:00And we go live now to the Miraflores Palace as the acting president, Terzi Rodriguez,
00:06is receiving victims of political violence. We are listening now to some statements.
00:19This person who has lost their dear ones in this episode and they have
00:26kept a constant in the search for justice, that always has been able to
00:35to reconciliation, to the meeting, to forgiveness, that has also stayed firm
00:44and the demand of justice because responsible of these facts, like a person being burnt alive
00:54in a public site, they have access to the mechanisms of justice, that this constitution, and of course,
01:14and there will be an ask for forgiveness. Here we find women and men, real women and men,
01:28that have suffered these episodes, but they are open to support all this process of reconciliation,
01:37of meeting, of democratic coexistence. Thank you very much.
01:47Thank you to the deputies and all the commissions. We are here today with the victims of different violent events
01:57violence that happened in our people, some of them from 2002 and 2019, victims of sanctions,
02:10victims of violence that was generated when different groups that didn't recognize the revolution,
02:24so sought the way of violence. We have 270 cases documented from 2002 to 2019.
02:41We were speaking with the victims that the wounded cannot be healed from one to open the wounds on another.
02:53We need to have a compromise from the victims and the attackers and that never again will these events happen
03:09again.
03:11And I would like, at this moment, give the floor to the lady, Ines Esparagosa, that he will tell her
03:22experience to ask for justice.
03:26Good evening, President. Greetings and respect. My name is Ines Esparagosa.
03:34I think that many of you already know me in the case of my son, Orlando Figuera.
03:43Miss President. I don't know how is the case of Amnesty. I didn't know until I had the meeting with
03:58the deputy and the president here, and I understood what it was.
04:09Orlando Figuera was a human being. A lot of people said that was a pantomime that I was having with
04:18Orlando.
04:20And in the last day accompanied me, the minister, Orlando.
04:25And in the case of Orlando Figuera, he was killed. He was killed only because he was black.
04:36Orlando Figuera was Orlando Figuera. His skin color black as every black.
04:52But I think that also this smile. When he passed by, he had a bag, a tricolor bag, because he
05:05was a chavista.
05:07He said, Mom, the only thing I did was saying, if I am chavista, what? What is the problem?
05:24My son ran. My son ran in the streets of Altamira, burned alive, running, asking for help.
05:36And you know what they did? They stopped it. And they stopped it.
05:43They took away the tricolor bag, with the only thing that they had was 4,000 bolivars. And they took
05:52it away.
05:53My son was stabbed 10 times. And they had a lung perforated.
06:01I spent almost three years, three years seeking for justice.
06:10That day I was also get fired when they found out that Orlando was my son.
06:18And they didn't give me any choice.
06:25For the only reason that I was black. For being the mother of Orlando Figuera.
06:33So I asked myself, my son, is it possible that my son wouldn't have justice?
06:43My son, it has been nine years since the killing of my son, since he was assassinated.
06:53And nine years I have with this pain. Nine years of, nine years like this is the first day in
07:08the hospital.
07:09Nine years, I've been waiting for the assassin or the assassins of my son, are already incarcerated.
07:20Nine years I've been here waiting.
07:23So that this smile, so that this smile will be erased from my heart, it will be very difficult.
07:32It won't, it's not an easy, it's not an easy task.
07:36It's simply because he was black and poor.
07:44And just because he was carrying in the bag, a three color bag, only with 4,000 bolivars, he was
07:53killed.
07:54So the black people doesn't have the right to be here in Venezuela.
08:00The black people doesn't have the right to walk in the streets of the rich people.
08:19I don't walk in the streets of Altamira or Chacao because I fear that they recognize me and they do
08:26to me the same as they did to my son.
08:34He didn't deserve that.
08:39So I say, where is the justice for Orlando Figuera?
08:45Where is the justice for the people that in reality lived that day?
08:56All the tragedies, where is that justice?
09:01Orlando Figuera doesn't have any justice yet.
09:03And I wait, I hope, that I'm among all the things, because I know that God is the only one
09:14who made justice.
09:16But I want justice also for Orlando Figuera.
09:21Thank you very much, President, for hearing me.
09:27Those were the words, now the words of Sorayda Bravo.
09:34My name is Soranda Bravo.
09:36I am the mother of Capitan that was killed on March 12, 2014.
09:48One was asking his justice.
09:58At that time, General Attorney was...
10:09We went from the attorney's office, came out the information of a Greek man that was the one who distributed
10:23the arms in Valencia.
10:28And he was apprehended.
10:31And I was threatened that I was going to the attorney's office, because supposedly I was obstacleizing the situation.
10:51The truth is that these people apprehended.
10:57They took us to jail.
11:08The indictment was two years, and they were released at seats.
11:16And there were those who were arrested as political prisoners.
11:25There were recordings from the houses.
11:30Besides, they also confessed that they distributed the arms, and they were planning to burn the service station.
11:40And that would have been a tragedy.
11:48But the lady said to me that they didn't take a look at any of the files of the political
11:56prisoners.
11:57That list was revised.
12:00That list was revised in the attorney's general.
12:04I wonder if that list was revised.
12:09You know that in 2017 we had a meeting in the early hours.
12:16That my comrades get angry with me.
12:22Because in that week another son was burned.
12:29Another son of mine was burned when he was heading to the job to work.
12:35At 6.30 in the morning and his legs were burned.
12:48Because I knew that this stopped.
12:55But it didn't.
12:56So I am afraid that we have bring the decks, the tragedies.
13:10And we are talking about the Amnesty Lord.
13:14And there is a deputy that comes and says that he wants to enforce the law of hatred.
13:27When we went there to deliver the Amnesty Lord the next day, we had a three days blackout.
13:43When we had the flour, bread flour, it was not allowed for me to buy it or ask for another
13:53person.
13:58And now you come and say that we will establish the Amnesty law.
14:04And the law of hatred will not exist anymore.
14:15What is the pacification that you are asking for my country?
14:20That day, as I told, you don't know.
14:25I live near the highway in the valley.
14:29When we lived that day, I have a post-traumatic stress.
14:37That was something terrible.
14:40People running in the highway.
14:42And the helicopter shooting at them.
14:47And watching all that tragedy.
14:52I mean, I feel the pain every time I see that images of my country.
14:59I never thought that something like that happened in my country.
15:08I said, until when?
15:13How many Amnesty law from President Chavez?
15:23So what then?
15:29From the year 2014, there are 35 people murdered.
15:37And they didn't have any justice and we don't know.
15:41That is Captain Guillon that was killed 15 days after my son.
15:46He was killed.
15:47And he was killed just like that.
15:50Let's celebrate.
15:51Because what you do is celebrate.
15:53So we need to reflect.
15:59We are willing.
16:03We are willing.
16:07Let's park.
16:09Let's seek for peace and coexistence.
16:12But I am afraid.
16:13I am afraid.
16:19Because those expression of them is not from peace.
16:25We listen now to the statements of Jorge Arreaza.
16:30Deputy of the National Commission.
16:33Good evening, Venezuela.
16:35Acting President.
16:37Victims of political violence in Venezuela.
16:44Comrades of the program for co-existence and peace.
16:50Listening to Ines, to Soraya, Mary Eugenia.
16:57Unnesty law that was approved unanimously.
17:01Article 9 has very clear the distribution.
17:07Human rights.
17:10Crime violation.
17:14Crimes against humanity.
17:17That it doesn't apply amnesty.
17:20The second.
17:22Intentional homicide.
17:28Third.
17:30Drug trafficking.
17:32First.
17:36Cares an organization.
17:46People who ask for interference.
17:53or ask for balance against our country or ask for military intervention in our country.
18:08Those who collaborated with state or corporation to manage the country for the way of force.
18:23January 30, the acting president, she made two proposals to the country.
18:31First, an amnesty law for co-existence.
18:36It has a last name for democratic co-existence.
18:42And the second, an integral and third, to seek justice, to seek justice for co-existence.
18:59January 5 was inserted and it was approved.
19:06It was a consultation and it was approved unanimously on the first consultation.
19:16And that same very morning, we met with mothers and families of people who were detained.
19:26We met with academics, with political consultants.
19:35You had in front of you deputies that were there in 2014 and 2017 that were there promoting violence.
19:49But they rectified.
19:52Then 14 February, we went to the second session.
19:58There we found an article that generated polemic.
20:02And then 19 February was approved unanimously.
20:07It means that all deputies of the different blocs from the opposition, they approved the amnesty law.
20:18But it was after hearing it.
20:24But we asked all of them if they were willing to forgive, excluding only those who are not.
20:37Because we know how difficult it is for you.
20:48So, from Friday and from December, there were already 800 people released from prison.
21:01And that was under that measure.
21:04To date, thanks to the law, 177 excarcelations and 2021 released.
21:20And we have received through more than 3,000 proposals.
21:29And we are still receiving it.
21:32And there are people taking that back to close.
21:41Because we would like to remember that the spirit of that law that was asked by acting president is the
21:48democratic coexistence, the peace.
21:52There is no way to the peace.
21:54The peace is the way.
21:56Let's not go to confrontations that created the conditions that led to this event.
22:05And that we can understand each other.
22:09And we bet on that will happen.
22:13And if it's not possible, that would not be in the hands of the Bolivarian revolution.
22:22And that what we need to do is to unite us as a bloc, as a monolith, to defend our
22:32sovereignty.
22:33As the Conrad Soraya that was violated.
22:48Thank you very much.
22:52Now we listen to the statements of Dr. Delcy Rodriguez, the acting president of the Bolivarian Revolution.
23:07We recognize long time ago because we have been very close of each and every cause.
23:16I can speak also as a victim.
23:19And I hear the pain that a mother can feel when she lost a son.
23:28At the violence 2014-2017, there were officials from the state fighting that violent manifestations.
23:43Something that characterized that were not specific manifestations.
23:50Demonstrations that were very violent demonstrations.
23:55They used war artifacts.
24:00And there were officials from the state.
24:06The captain of the Conrad Soraya that is an example.
24:15The most terrible expression of hatred.
24:21Crime of hatred.
24:25And if we take a look back to the history of Venezuela, we will realize that political violence,
24:34having several factors, because they have been several factors that led to the social exclusion,
24:44the political exclusion that those who have projects of delivering the national sovereignty,
24:58that I call, we have violence of the 1960s, they were dreamers, and they had dreams of
25:14a country with freedom, and we had also a political class that had betrayed, and then
25:21we have the January 23 that treason became national project, a project that had as a main
25:34pillar the handover of Venezuela.
25:44You know what happened?
25:45You know what it means to Venezuela, to bring bad sectors of Venezuelan society, the poorest,
25:55to bring them to the table and they were recognized as people.
26:00But that doesn't mean that that German of hatred, the hatred of classes of racism, discrimination
26:12to the people who is different.
26:17And in the Chavez period, what will live with Commander Chavez, the coup d'etat financed by
26:30all the countries, the absence of the assassination of Commander Chavez.
26:37And those were present also the hatred, class hatred.
26:43The law of hatred was approved on the Constitution, on the Constitution, that is, that law six,
26:57precisely, in a very complex situation, derived from the January 3rd, aggression on January 3rd.
27:13The first thing that I thought was, in this program, this program of coexistence, because the hatred
27:25have been so present, have been so present in a sector of this country, this political country,
27:41that even asked for foreign intervention, though that, since they couldn't handle it with national
27:52politics, they asked with missiles and bombs.
27:59That couldn't be resolved by politics, it was asked to a power, a military power, a nuclear power,
28:08from this hemisphere to come and solve it in this country.
28:11And I thought, the first thing that we need to heal is the hatred.
28:16And well, there is a group of humans, of diverse programs, that are in the program of democratic
28:26coexistence.
28:27This expression of intolerance, of not recognizing the different, that have a different creed,
28:37that do not recognize mainly the right to dignity of that person of diversity.
28:52Do not recognize Olanda in his condition of black people.
29:02Do not recognize and respect the other one.
29:06Venezuela needs to heal, needs to heal, because this has gone too far, have taken us to solve
29:23a world in a world that with media power that sought false against Venezuela, false information
29:39against Venezuela, that was then later the kidnapping of President Nicolás Maduro and First Lady
29:53Syria Flores.
29:54Let's think that Venezuelan, as Venezuelan, have come too far.
29:59And think, let's think as Venezuelan, if this is what we want for our country.
30:05And I say, because I wanted to make this meeting, because I wanted to thank you.
30:23The release, the release of oneself, because forgiveness is releasing.
30:29But also what the victims have said, accepting forgiveness.
30:37And I think that is not something that you can have on the law.
30:40I was saying that compromise of repetition is, if not, if of no repetition, the compromise of this
30:52not happening again, is a human condition, personal human condition.
31:03I remember, because I was Minister of Communication at that time, John Walker that was decapitated.
31:13So imagine from where we came, and we have always give our alert that that needed to stop.
31:24And the law of sanity of Commander Chavez and the President Maduro has always seeks the healing of human,
31:34the healing of the nation.
31:41The human being needs to find also forgiveness.
31:45And you can find it in many ways.
31:48Sometimes we think it's justice.
31:51And I said it in my personal view.
31:54Justice never will give our loved ones back.
32:01But we need to say that there is a deficiency in justice for the victims.
32:09And that's why we have activated not only the amnesty law, but also the program of coexistence
32:18that has been incorporated to the processes of justice.
32:23And we are assessing the justice for farmers, for the workers of the country, and justice for the victims.
32:32I ask you to be present in the program, to be part of the program actively.
32:41There is this discussion of the amnesty law, this commission of the amnesty law.
32:48Because justice must be for all and for everyone.
32:51And Venezuela, the Venezuelan state, has been on the social level of aggression and threat
33:03that the powers as a state and the diverse powers has also been on the threat.
33:14And I ask justice for all Venezuela.
33:21And I said it before.
33:27We need to overcome because there is a genesis there in this back.
33:37And we need to heal Venezuela.
33:41So truly we can raise the flag of no repetition.
33:48I also get worried, Soraida.
33:52And I need to thank, because extremism, I need to thank.
34:12And I said the doors of Venezuela, the arms of all Venezuelans are open for those who want
34:21to come back in this process of healing of hatred.
34:26But I also must say, I have knowledge of some sectors that they are not properly assessing what
34:42is happening in the country.
34:46They are measuring as a political defeat.
34:54January 3rd, Venezuela lost.
34:57All Venezuelans lost on January 3rd.
35:01We all lost.
35:03Nobody won in this country on January 3rd.
35:07And I'm seeing that there are sectors assisting in a proper way to the law of amnesty.
35:22They already have plans.
35:24And in the right time, I will show them to the country so that everybody knows who they are,
35:34who, from the United States and Europe, they want to derail this process.
35:39They want to perturb the peace of Venezuela.
35:45And let the people of Venezuela who judge and the people of Venezuela who say what we need to do,
35:52because it's enough.
35:54No repetition.
35:56And I said, and I call to a genuine justice, true justice, because it's enough.
36:04This process that we are building, each and every one of you, we need to take care of it.
36:12And that's why I thank you, that you participate aptly.
36:19I know, I know how difficult it is.
36:23I have faced it.
36:25I have faced it.
36:28I have faced it to sit with the executioners of my father.
36:38And I have faced the executioners of our heroes of January 3rd.
36:45And we are doing this for Venezuela, for the Venezuelan people, for our young people.
36:52Because our youth is the future of our country.
36:56And we need to do it for our sons, our daughters, for the future of Venezuela.
37:01Because it's the sacred one.
37:04The most sacred thing we have is sovereignty and independence.
37:09Today is the seventh anniversary of that attempt to undermine sovereignty in the Battle of the Bridges.
37:20That's why I try to enter from the West.
37:30Also under a false flag on the humanitarian crisis in Venezuela.
37:35In the false flag of a humanitarian crisis.
37:39In desperation of the hegemonic powers for the wealth and resources of Venezuela.
37:45And we have a map.
37:47And we have always said, it's diplomacy that will keep us in track.
37:56And it will be economic cooperation and commercial cooperation where we can access our wealth.
38:12And we will do it with the most important things that we have, that is human wealth.
38:20And if there is somebody who will come and derail the situation of Venezuela, let them find the will, the
38:32unwebbing will of Venezuela people.
38:36Thank you brother and sister of Venezuela for your participation.
38:41And we were live at the Miraflores Baras with the victims of the political violence in Venezuela in the context
38:48of this amnesty law that was approved unanimously by the Venezuelan National Assembly.
38:56After the Venezuelan acting president, Darcy Rodriguez was assessing and receiving the victims of this political violence that were asking
39:05for justice.
39:06And she was saying that the most important thing to have Venezuela is the healing of the hatred, the healing
39:14of the Venezuelan people.
39:15And always be in touch, in contact.
39:19And she asked the Venezuelan acting president, Darcy Rodriguez, asked to those present to actively participate in the process of
39:27reconciliation and in the process of the program of democratic coexistence.
39:33We'll keep you informed about this and more news in upcoming news briefs.
39:36Stay tuned with Telsure English.
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