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00:00You are the president of the Tenants Association.
00:03He clearly doesn't like you.
00:05I heard him screaming about me, saying that I do whatever I want.
00:09Ruining my reputation.
00:10That's his opinion.
00:11Let somebody else be president of the board.
00:13I really enjoy my work.
00:15Well, this is part of your job.
00:16You have to deal with people who disagree with you.
00:18This is Judy Justice.
00:37Margaret McNulty is suing her neighbor, Angel Rittenberg,
00:42for defamation, harassment, and assault.
00:46Court come to order.
00:48All rise.
00:51Have a seat, please.
00:53Judge, case 4029, McNulty v. Rittenberg.
00:58You're welcome.
00:58Ms. McNulty, you are the president of the Tenants Association where you live.
01:03Correct.
01:04Mr. Rittenberg lives in that community.
01:07Yes, ma'am.
01:08How long have you been president of the association?
01:10Ten years now.
01:12And Mr. Rittenberg, how long have you lived in that community?
01:14June of 2021.
01:16It is your claim, Ms. McNulty, that the defendant defamed you,
01:21and some nonsense about an assault where you weren't injured at all,
01:26where the defendant allegedly grabbed a wallet out of your hand, a checkbook out of your hand.
01:32I'll hear that, but it's actually nonsense.
01:36Your claim for defamation, however, I will hear.
01:39I would like to know what you claim he said about you, how he said it, how he published it.
01:47Okay. He sent out mail with a self-addressed stamped envelope to come back to him,
01:52to every person in the building.
01:54Do you have a copy of that letter?
01:56The first one, no.
01:58Then if you don't have a copy of that letter, it doesn't exist.
02:01Do you have a copy of the second one?
02:02Yes.
02:03I'd like to read it.
02:15Okay.
02:16Well, this is a letter that he sent out as treasurer of the association,
02:21and he's questioning the last voting procedure that was held in the association.
02:27And there's nothing defamatory in here.
02:30It gets worse.
02:31There's nothing defamatory in here.
02:32He's questioning some of the things that he claims occurred during the election process
02:37that were not according to regulations, both association regulations and HUD regulations.
02:47So he's claiming irregularities, and he's sending this out to the people at the end.
02:52He's requesting that Margo, which would be you, adheres to established rules and regulations,
02:58including making all board meetings open to tenants and complying with federal guidelines to ensure
03:04fair and transparent elections.
03:05And he CC'd somebody from HUD and SFHA.
03:12San Francisco Housing Authority.
03:13And that's not the first one that they put out.
03:15Well, that's okay.
03:16He's allowed to do that.
03:17He says here a couple of things.
03:19He makes some statements.
03:20He says, Margo, that's you, counted the votes prior to depositing them in the ballot box.
03:25And that's a lie.
03:26Now, Mr. Rittenberg.
03:28Yes, ma'am.
03:28What evidence do you have that the plaintiff counted the votes prior to depositing them
03:35in the ballot box?
03:36Well, I have witness accounts, people that were at the meeting.
03:40You weren't there.
03:41No, I wouldn't.
03:41Do you have a witness here?
03:43Yeah, Stacy was at the meeting.
03:46Okay.
03:46Your last name is?
03:48Stacy Cole.
03:49Ms. Cole, this says that Ms. McNulty, at the last meeting, this is dated July of 2024,
03:57counted the votes prior to depositing them in the ballot box.
04:01Did you witness that?
04:03No, ma'am.
04:04Did Ms. McNulty ever tell you that she counted the ballots prior to putting them in the ballot box?
04:11No, ma'am.
04:12Sir?
04:13Apparently, I had the wrong information.
04:15Good.
04:15Now you can sit down.
04:17Okay.
04:17Thank you very much.
04:20Margot controls the keys to the ballot box.
04:23Do you control the keys to the ballot box?
04:24There were no keys to the ballot box, and we couldn't use it that day.
04:27We had to make a pile in front of the ballot box, so no.
04:31Okay.
04:32What else did he do to defame you, Ms. McNulty?
04:36Um, he put out that I was late for a meeting for SFHA, so that-
04:41May I see what you're talking about?
04:42I'm hoping he has it, because that's actually the first one.
04:44No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, madam.
04:46I didn't think I'd be telling him, sir.
04:47He doesn't have to prove anything.
04:48This is your case.
04:50You have to prove that he defamed you.
04:54I can prove this.
04:55This further backs up my story.
04:57Well, tell me what it is.
04:58This is something that he accompanied in the surveys that he sent out in the self-addressed
05:04stamped mailings, which were like three waves of them so far.
05:08May I see this?
05:09And this says- Okay.
05:10And in every language, too.
05:14And he'd poster the walls with it as well.
05:16Just a second.
05:20Okay.
05:20Well, this is his opinion.
05:21If you were present at either meeting, you witnessed Margot's disrespect for the bylaws and rules
05:26and what she thinks of us and how she disregards your rights as members of the association.
05:31Okay.
05:32I do not disregard their rights.
05:33Well, that may be.
05:34That's his opinion.
05:35That's what he thinks.
05:36All right.
05:37My report I sent in the survey said Margot and Z had arrived 20 minutes late.
05:40The truth is there is no official notation of the time they arrived, but it was after the
05:45meeting was called to order.
05:46I was inaccurate by stating that they arrived 20 minutes late. I don't know how many minutes late
05:51they arrived. It was wrong for me to make this statement with no facts. And I apologize to Margot.
05:57Moving forward, I promise to be factual and truthful and stick to the facts, especially when reporting
06:02back to tenants. Did you write this, sir?
06:04Yes. The apology? Yes.
06:06Yes. Okay. Because you were wrong that she arrived late.
06:09Yes.
06:10Okay. He said he was wrong. He apologized for it. What's next?
06:13It's a sarcastic apology, but-
06:14What's next?
06:15Okay. He's doxed my personal correspondence.
06:18He what?
06:18Doxing.
06:19What is that?
06:20You know doxing? It's when you share correspondence that's supposed to be private with other people.
06:24What private correspondence are you talking about?
06:26Oh, my texts.
06:27Your texts to whom?
06:28Texts to various people. He's put them on together and handed them out.
06:34Just a second. These are texts that evidently people who you sent texts to share them with him?
06:41I know.
06:42Well, then somebody gave them to him.
06:43Then somebody shared them with him. Then they are no longer your personal texts with somebody.
06:49Well, it's the private integrity that you expect privacy in your conversations and there's no integrity or public trust.
06:57Well, if you sent a text to somebody, he can't go into your computer and hack your computer and take
07:06out those texts.
07:08He's not permitted to do that. But if the person to whom you corresponded voluntarily gave those to him.
07:16He can't share that, can he?
07:18Yes, he can.
07:21He can say, I think she is the worst president of the Tenants Association.
07:27That's his opinion. He can't say Miss McNulty robbed a bank in 1967, unless you did.
07:45Margaret McNulty claims her neighbor, Angel Rittenberg, owes for defamation, harassment, and assault.
07:52Angel is countersuing Margaret for defamation and the costs of mailing residents.
07:57OK. Miss McNulty, I want to explain something to you. If you send someone a letter, I send a letter
08:04to Sarah.
08:05It's a private letter. If Sarah decides to share it with Whitney and Whitney says,
08:14look, I got this letter from Sarah that I got from her. I didn't hack anything. I didn't steal her
08:18mail.
08:19And she says, I'm going to show this letter to Kevin. She can do that.
08:23Your private communications?
08:25I just explained it to you.
08:26OK, Yvonne, I'd like to mention that, even though these are just a couple of the things that we're mentioning
08:30so far,
08:31that there was an instigating point in this, like something that started all this,
08:34with his hate mail against me, which you haven't concluded yet, I understand.
08:39Well, I haven't seen it yet, but so far what I've seen is sort of benign.
08:42It's somebody on the board who, for some reason, doesn't like the president of the board,
08:48or doesn't like the policy, or doesn't like the presentation,
08:53and he's communicating with the rest of the tenants. And so far, I haven't seen anything defamatory.
08:59There was a candidate that came recently to our building, and we wanted to celebrate them,
09:03or give them a platform to speak to the tenants. And I heard him in front of everyone screaming about
09:09me,
09:09saying that, I do whatever I want, ruining my reputation. And he's gone so far as to government
09:14agencies, to this candidate, that, I mean, I'm a political, I'm starting my political career now.
09:19You have to understand something. He's allowed to express his opinion. He's not allowed to say
09:23anything that's untrue, that's not an opinion. He can say, I think she is the worst president of
09:32the Tenants Association that you could ever elect. That's his opinion.
09:38He can't say Miss McNulty has a venereal disease. He can't say Miss McNulty robbed a bank in 1967,
09:49unless you did. He can't say Miss McNulty kills animals in her apartment, unless it's true. He can't
09:58say things that are not his opinion that aren't true. So far, he's said she does whatever she wants to
10:05do. That's his opinion. He sends out notices to tenants. When he gets it wrong, he said,
10:11I think I got it wrong. He clearly doesn't like you.
10:14Clearly.
10:15OK. That's not a crime.
10:16You just stated that he's not allowed to put out lies about me. That first letter that you were reading,
10:20if you go on there, there's everything there is a lie. And I can prove that things are lies.
10:26Like what?
10:26You know, he can have his own opinion, but he's taken things and...
10:29I would like you to read it to me. Tell me if this is your exhibit. Tell me what it
10:34is.
10:40The board has been replaced with members Margot has chosen and who are aligned with her actions,
10:46potentially allowing unchecked control over decisions, including financial matters.
10:51That's his opinion. Yeah. Go ahead.
10:53OK.
10:53He's allowed to say that.
10:55Scheduling appears to have been structured to support an agenda aligned with the needs of the...
10:59Also his opinion.
11:00OK.
11:00Appears to have been structured. Also his opinion.
11:02OK. This violates your rights to fair election.
11:05He's going on and on about this election being fair,
11:08where we covered everything by the book.
11:10That's his opinion.
11:11Oh, then he can say... Isn't that a lie, though?
11:13No, it's not a lie. It's his opinion.
11:15He thought the election was unfair.
11:16OK. He's done this hate mail campaign to people that it makes a difference for my future.
11:21I've started a company that's educating the subsidized housing, board of officers,
11:28and training. And so he's disparaged my reputation.
11:31Show me. You tell me that he's disparaged you by saying things that were a lie to a governmental
11:38agency. You mean the fact that he CC'd HUD?
11:42The fact that he went to HUD for even this printout.
11:44That's OK. He can do that.
11:46He can just go around and ruin my reputation for people.
11:49What he's doing is he's sending a copy of this letter, and there's nothing defamatory that you've
11:55proven in this letter. And he sent it to HUD.
12:00That's the mayor's office of housing.
12:02He's allowed to do that.
12:03OK. I didn't finish on these. It gets worse.
12:06Well, I want to see them, madam. That's why you're here.
12:08So far I've looked at them, and it is clear that he doesn't like you and thinks that you're not
12:15doing a proper job in your job as president of the association. He's allowed to feel that way,
12:22and he's allowed to voice his opinion about that. He's not allowed to say things about you that are
12:29blatantly a lie. This is his opinion. He thinks the election is unfair and skewed to your people.
12:35Well, that's his opinion, and you can't prove otherwise. He may not be able to prove it,
12:40but that's his opinion. And having lived in many buildings with many, many boards,
12:44I can tell you that you feel that way about some. You feel that way about others. You feel
12:49some are behaving properly in everybody's best interests. You think some people are acting like
12:55dictators when they're president of the association. You think that some mishandle elections by scheduling
13:02them at an inappropriate time. You think all of those things. That's your opinion. And you're
13:06allowed to write that down. And if it's hurtful to you, and if you feel as if it's hurting your
13:11reputation, and if being the president of the board has become too onerous a situation for you,
13:18let somebody else be president of the board. I really enjoy my work.
13:21Well, this is part of your job. You have to deal with people who disagree with you.
13:24Okay. Does this- That's it.
13:26So none of these things- That runs with it, unless you have something else to show me.
13:30Well, things that are his opinion are one thing, but these things that he has that are-
13:35that are not true. Like what?
13:37Like that we didn't check the ballots for, uh- How do you know?
13:40I have the Proctor's signature, uh, note of our statement about that everything went
13:44according to the rules. I'll hear that witness.
13:47She was afraid to fly, so. Okay.
13:49We hear the assault. Well, I hear the assault. There was no- I'll see the medical records.
13:54No, it wasn't that.
13:55It was humiliation in front of my tent- members and tenants in Perkinale and- There's no-
14:00Hostile.
14:01You have to understand that there is no crime of humiliation.
14:04You had an argument with him and he pulled a checkbook out of your hand.
14:07That's what happened, according to you.
14:09That's correct.
14:09That's not a crime.
14:10I mean, if you went to medical treatment because you hurt your finger-
14:14I broke my finger now.
14:15All right. Let's get real.
14:17Well, all these things add up.
14:18Money owns- This is his counterclaim.
14:20You have no case.
14:21Comes with the territory of being president of a tenants association.
14:25Some tenants like you and some tenants don't.
14:28I've never been foolish enough to be president of a board.
14:32I have enough trouble just having this job.
14:37Margot has blatantly disregarded my preference when it comes to my name.
14:42Not a crime.
14:43You know, if I sued everybody that called me another name,
14:46I would be busy from now until she receives AARP letters.
15:02Margaret McNulty is accusing her neighbor, Angel Rittenberg, of ongoing defamation and an assault.
15:10Angel is countersuing, claiming Margaret owes for defamation and mailing expenses.
15:15Now, sometimes it's a thankless job.
15:18People usually like it because they like power.
15:21You know, I live in Florida.
15:23I've been in lots of buildings with-
15:25All of them had boards and all of them had presidents and everybody votes.
15:30I could actually never understand it, but I'm grateful for some because
15:34associations need somebody to keep the place organized.
15:37But you're always going to find people that disagree with you and don't think you're doing a good job.
15:42Well, there is something like-
15:42You have to forge on.
15:44Can I just make one point about this?
15:46Because I inadvertently, innocently put something out about him and his name,
15:51he's just started this campaign of everything going against me.
15:54So it's actually snowballed in directions that have taken it to other places.
15:58Maybe they're not here to testify, but it was not done maliciously at all.
16:03He just had such sensitivity to it that he took it out of me.
16:06I've read the papers and I've read the fact that the kerfuffle started because Mr. Rittenberg likes to be called
16:13by another first name other than his given name at birth. And you posted something that used his
16:21given birth name instead of the name that he prefers to be called. Am I correct?
16:25Yes, ma'am.
16:25Okay. Not a major geschichte, but evidently clearly bothered you.
16:29Yes.
16:30The fact that I innocently put that out without doing it on purpose.
16:34I don't know whether it was innocently or not. That's your statement that it was innocent.
16:39It was intent and impact.
16:40In the scheme of life, Mr. Rittenberg, somebody called you by the wrong name.
16:45It's not the end of the world.
16:47No, ma'am. It's not.
16:48Okay. And I assume that that's not...
16:51It shouldn't be the reason that you have taken on Ms. McNulty in her job as president of the
16:57association. But so far, there is nothing defamatory that I have seen that you wrote about her that
17:03is actionable. Okay? That's it. I'm done with you.
17:08Okay. Now, I'm done with you. Now, Mr. Rittenberg, I'm going to deal similarly with your countersuit,
17:14which I'm going to read. Margot has blatantly disregarded my preference when it comes to my name.
17:20Not a crime.
17:22Not a crime.
17:22You know, if I sued everybody that called me another name, I would be busy from now until she receives
17:31AARP letters. She has acted in her own self-interest on the board.
17:37Also, not a cause of action, sir. I'm reading your claim. In order to assist my neighbors to
17:43make the right decision, I mailed out information regarding Margot that she wasn't openly sharing,
17:47and she should have. You're talking about all this stuff that you mailed out.
17:51Right. So, okay. So, you mailed it out. Yeah.
17:53And it was part of her duty to be transparent. And since she wasn't, she should have to incur all
17:59the
18:00costs that I incurred sending out all this stuff. That's what your case is.
18:05Yes.
18:05Do you know what I think about that, sir?
18:07You probably don't like that.
18:08No.
18:09Yeah.
18:09You're absolutely right.
18:10Oh, Johanna.
18:10So, your counterclaim is dismissed. We're done here.
18:12Have a pleasant evening. Goodbye and good luck. Live in peace.
18:16May I ask for expenses for sending out the letters to residents, notifying-
18:21Just a second. I just said to you.
18:23Notifying them of the irregular election.
18:25I just said to you, it's ridiculous.
18:27Okay.
18:28If you want to send out letters, you can send out mass mailings to whoever you like,
18:32but that's not your responsibility. And if you choose to act as an independent person and send
18:37out mail, that's not her responsibility to pay for it, because in your mind you say,
18:42she's supposed to be transparent. You want to do that? That's fine. Nobody's going to pay for it
18:47but you. You want to be good, Sam? Do it. What I'm telling you is, sir, life is short.
18:52If you think that's-
18:54It's so important.
18:56I know you don't like it, but I didn't want you to leave before you-
18:59We're done.
19:00I caught him in a lot.
19:00Whose court is a jury?
19:05Well, I think it was unfair.
19:06I really appreciate the judge's decision to dismiss the whole thing.
19:11I just think pettiness.
19:13Honestly, it was a bunch of hot air.
19:15We could get along, but he's not like in the circle anymore.
19:20I just wanted this thing to be over with so we can all go back to living in peace.
19:26Well, the only way to deal with a non-actionable cause of action is to dismiss the case.
19:31I'm just surprised that you listened for that long, knowing that there was no cause of action.
19:35But maybe in all that paperwork, we were hoping there would be something as we got through, but-
19:39She was offended, and to her-
19:41Mm-hmm.
19:42Being offended.
19:42Being offended was a sufficient cause for defamation.
19:46He's entitled to have his opinion as treasurer.
19:50He didn't come from off the street.
19:52He's part of the association.
19:54At least he was.
19:55And he's allowed to have an opinion as to whether she's doing a good job,
19:58whether she controls the board, whether she fixes the election time that's inconvenient.
20:02Yeah.
20:03He's allowed to have an opinion about all these things.
20:06The thing is, I think he started with her because she called him by the wrong name.
20:11Sure.
20:12I think it escalated from there.
20:13But my sense is that all these people who were here from the building,
20:16they have sides.
20:18They either side with him or they side with her.
20:20That's what happens when you live in a building and you get too intimate.
20:23Yeah.
20:24I know you and I have both dealt with New York City co-ops and we just sign our papers,
20:28send them back.
20:29We want nothing to do with the meetings and the board and the voting.
20:33We say, you know what?
20:34Whoever's super involved, you guys just take the reins on that.
20:39You're devoting your time.
20:40That's my belief, at least.
20:42Well, that's what we've done.
20:44But you do need people.
20:45Oh, of course.
20:46It's an important job.
20:48A governing body.
20:49And you hope that you elect people that are doing it for all the right reasons,
20:54not for themselves, not for the power, but to do good work for the place where they live.
21:01I have a feeling with this lady, it's a whole bunch of stuff.
21:04But that's why it's very important to vote and to have your say.
21:07If it is very important to you, like it seems to be to the defendant, that's your next step.
21:12Not wasting all your time sending out these letters and then expecting to get paid for it.
21:18Then wanting to get paid for the postage.
21:21Yes.
21:21I think that's ridiculous.
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