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00:00Getting you ready for Super Bowl 60 this weekend in Santa Clara 630 p.m. Eastern and yes,
00:06let's take out the microscope on the game once again. Line open Joe, four and a half. Line sits
00:10four and a half. Total 46 and a half. We had to move down to 45 and a half, which it still sits
00:16there today. Hump day Wednesday. Money will pour in later in the week. A slightly different ticket
00:21deviation here from 70% of the tickets on Seattle down to 68% of the tickets now on Seattle. So
00:28there's a slight move there. But Joe, you were spread line for Super Bowl Sunday is what?
00:33Yeah, Adani had talked to the guys in the risk room again yesterday and they are convinced
00:38get that over money in sooner rather than later. They don't see this thing dropping any lower
00:45than the 45 or 45 and a half in the market. They are thinking much closer to 46 and a half,
00:5247 when it's all said and done, which means not only the public money, but there could
00:58be some sharp money sitting on the sidelines for the total. But they still don't anticipate
01:04a whole lot of craziness with the spread there, Adani. They're anticipating four and a half,
01:10five, depending on the part of the country, regionally, also in the sports books that you're
01:15working with. You might see a half a point tick up, obviously, or tick down in the Northeast.
01:22You know you're going to get a lot more New England money. Out West, you're going to get
01:25more Seattle money, so choose accordingly. Super Bowl 60 this Sunday, trying to ramp it
01:32up, trying to get excited here. Maybe not at the level that we see in the previous years
01:35where it was superstar team versus superstar team. We're expecting a very competitive game
01:39in Santa Clara between the New England Patriots and the Seattle Seahawks. Once again, if we
01:44take a look at that game board here, a four and a half point favorite as the technically road
01:49team, Seattle Seahawks at minus four and a half in that total of 45 and a half. I'm interested
01:54to see where that line goes. I don't know, Joe, if we're getting back to the fives or higher,
01:59which I like to call no man's land. I'm thinking we might get some money coming in late week on the
02:03New England Patriots. Am I wrong that we might be more likely to see fours than we do fives? I don't
02:09know. And again, I think regionally is a good point, Donnie, because I can tell you the books in
02:15the Northeast here, or really east of the Mississippi, likely going to see some Patriot money,
02:21more Patriot money than Seattle money by the public. And if anything is going to push it,
02:26that is likely going to push it there. But I would imagine, and we've already seen it, Donnie,
02:32that the public is already out in full force and the books are already saying it. They are going to
02:38be a very big public favorite. So for the most of the country and most of the books, Donnie,
02:44it appears that Seattle is going to get all of the public love when they start going to the window.
02:48But as far as maybe some of the pro money, that may be what equalizes it. So I think we see more
02:55line freeze than we see crazy line movement here. Let's take a look at the head-to-head matchup
03:01between these two head coaches here. Mike Vrabel, 73 and 51. Mike McDonald, 26 and 10. If you're
03:07asking me who has the better coaching resume, well, maybe it's Vrabel who's been around longer,
03:11but the better team in this organizational matchup, it's going to be with Seattle and Mike McDonald for
03:16me, Joe. Yeah. But, and what we know is that in the Superbowl history tells us the best team
03:24doesn't always win. And it certainly doesn't mean that they always cover. So I do think that there
03:31is no way around it. Vrabel, not only as a player, but now his second go around as a head coach,
03:38it's obvious. He has the command and the, the attention of that team, a very young team. And
03:45we always say, Donnie, right? Teams take on the persona of their, of their head coach, right?
03:49McDonald's a defensive guy. Vrabel's a defensive guy. It is not a shock that both these teams
03:54begin and end with defense, right? But, you know, then there's the OCs here. Kubiak has been great,
04:01going to take on the job of, uh, of the Raiders, but you know, how many did we say yesterday that
04:07he and McDaniel has been in now? That's a ton of experience there, Donnie, for a young quarterback.
04:12That's crazy. Exactly. Yep. Mike McDonald, who once coached in the Baltimore under John Harbaugh,
04:19here's him talking about that Harbaugh influence. I don't, I don't think, I don't think it's possible
04:24to overstate his influence on me. Uh, I love John Harbaugh. He's a, um, he's my, one of my biggest
04:31mentors, uh, was willing to take chances on me when other people weren't and, and, uh, and invested
04:38in me and my career throughout and, and, and stretched, you know, like the things that I felt
04:44like I could do. He, he had a vision for me in my career that I probably didn't have for myself. And,
04:49um, all those principles that are part of his program that he's about as a person,
04:53uh, resonated with me. And, uh, those are a lot of the foundational principles that we,
04:59that we brought to Seattle. And, um, and he's also, he's a great friend. He's got great family.
05:04So I can't tell you how much I love him. By the way, taking a look at that, can we get,
05:09let's just say still shot of McDonald talking right there. Can we put a still shot up here?
05:14Cause I want to just want to bring something up about, you know, fitness. Like, is he wearing a
05:18muscle suit or is he the most jacked head coach in the history of professional sports show?
05:22Like what does he got? Like 42 inch pythons? Like what's, what are we doing? He looks like
05:27he's enormous. I don't know. I mean, my goodness, look at that. Yeah. Uh, you know what? Now you're
05:33kind of making me think that maybe him and Vrabel in a Royal Rumble might not be a, uh, my, that could
05:39be a pay-per-view ticket, uh, worth paying for there better than anything we saw with the Pro Bowl
05:45games last night. That's for sure. Jacked up head coaches, which means teams coming out hot in the
05:50Super Bowl. That's going to make a big difference. You want the lead at halftime to make those
05:53adjustments to carry on and win a Super Bowl. Look at the spreads in the first half here,
05:57Joe Seahawks minus three and a half in a total. That's a set of 23 and a half putting you right
06:02on those hooks, man. Joe, if I gave you a free bet first half plus three and a half or minus three
06:07and a half, where are you going? Yeah. Uh, I would probably look at the under here, Donnie. I, uh,
06:15I do think that, uh, that is going to have some value. I think there's a, there's a few different
06:21ways to line up your bets from a prop betting perspective and what you think is going to
06:27happen in this game where it could be a very profitable Sunday for you. If this is your first
06:32time going with it, a lot of correlation in this game, Donnie, a lot of correlation,
06:37a lot of things to figure out. You got Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, and then
06:41you have no more professional football until we see these guys back in September. We've got you
06:46covered. Here's what we do on the sports right now. We'll be right back. The Super Bowl, which will be
06:51dominated yearly in the late eighties and early 1990s here by the NFC. So you might find yourself,
06:57Joe, thinking like, Hey, the NFC has got a huge lead and who's won the Lombardi over the AFC or vice
07:01versa. How about this graphic? Will the Seahawks add another Lombardi to the NFC's lead or the Patriots
07:07even it back up for the AFC? Did you know, Joe, 28 Super Bowl championships here for the NFC, 27
07:12for the AFC. How about that? Yeah, that's pretty close right down the middle, right? And obviously
07:19the game has changed. The rules have changed, especially over the last decade here. But still,
07:25that's pretty impressive after all the changes, Donnie, that we're almost 50-50 with a chance to
07:31even it up this year is actually pretty impressive. The New England Patriots are the LeBron James,
07:36of the NFL. Is that possible here? Take a look at this graphic. Depending on the outcome of Super
07:40Bowl 60, the Patriots will either have the most wins or most losses in Super Bowl history. Let's
07:46just say six wins, six losses. How about that? Do you get credit for going to the Super Bowl? Because
07:51LeBron James never gets credit for making it to the NBA Finals unless he wins it.
07:56Well, that's because, you know, the Patriots are in uncharted territory. LeBron is being compared to,
08:03you know, the GOAT, which would be Michael Jordan, who, yeah, every time he made it, he won. So there
08:09is a difference there. But I would say that you got to be in it to win it, Donnie, right? Isn't that
08:15the bottom line? And nobody has been in it more than the Patriots have over the last couple of decades.
08:20So it just shows you they got something rolling there.
08:25How about this? Gets back to Eagles fans. It always does. Milton Williams finds himself in the
08:30Super Bowl damn near every single year. Here's Milton, the star defensive tackle of the New
08:34England Patriots, talking about Eagles fans.
08:36So he basically said Eagles fans aren't as passionate, but then again, Philly fans don't
09:00care. They're so passionate. They'll go to jail for their team. Sounds like Milton just,
09:03and by the way, he's a professional athlete in the, playing for the Patriots in a Super
09:08Bowl. What did you want him to say? Was he supposed to come out like, look, man, I took
09:12the bag in New England. Yeah, we're here in the Super Bowl. Fans suck. Rather be in Philadelphia.
09:16No, of course he's going to tell you that, Joe.
09:18Yeah. Well, and listen, I think he's, there is some truth to it here. I mean, they can both
09:23be extremely passionate fans, but you know, Philadelphia, that fan base has been known to maybe
09:30kick it up a notch there. And I don't know, egg coordinators, houses and things along those
09:36lines. So yeah. But again, I'll never forget when the Patriots signed them there and got them. And
09:43boy, oh boy, the Patriot media there in New England was like, this is just what a waste this is. My
09:49goodness. What a waste of money. I don't think it was a waste of money here, Donnie. Call me crazy.
09:54And maybe, just maybe the Eagles could have used his services once again.
10:00And by the way, Kevin Batula, the offensive coordinator is no longer the offensive coordinator.
10:03He is lucky that we actually have a couple of Super Bowls under our belts because we're
10:07getting soft now. You're egging houses. That might've been if we never won Molotov cocktails,
10:11bricks and stones, and even driving cars into people's houses at this point. So we have mellowed
10:17with our Super Bowl championships here, but how about let's flip it back to the Super Bowl
10:20gear and Super Bowl 60. John Gruden used to be a head coach in the NFL. John Gruden
10:24does have a ring on his finger, but John Gruden also had Rich Gannon as a quarterback
10:28while he was a head coach. Here, look at this. Let's run into Gruden and also Gannon on the
10:35streets of San Francisco. Hey, I'm walking down San Francisco. I'm here for the Super Bowl
10:40and I run into this guy. I mean, the last time I saw Rich Gannon, we were fighting on the
10:46sideline, man. How the hell are you? I'm walking down the street. I'm minding my old business.
10:50I'm getting ready to go back to my hotel and some guy's yelling at me. I think, oh my gosh,
10:54yeah. Somebody wants an autograph. More importantly, I'm in the Bay Area. Somebody's
10:57going to yell at me. Go, the Raiders suck. I'm going. And all of a sudden I turn around
11:00and he says, chuck the ball down. Throw it. Don't hold it. I'm like, wait a minute. I know
11:04that voice. Hey, we're going to the Oakland Coliseum. We're going to go revisit some of our
11:10greatest memories. Dude, that place was special. It was, wasn't it? I love the place so much.
11:15The only thing that I get some chills sometimes is when I'm out there, blue 85, blue 85. He's
11:21like, no, no, get the three for the eight casino. No. We're playing Tennessee on Monday night
11:27football. He's going easy, easy. Hey, 98 bunch crunch. He goes, shut the f*** up, blue 85.
11:35You remember that? Steve Wisniewski was like this. He goes, what? I love you, man. I love you,
11:41bro. Okay. We'll get to the end soon. See you guys. Yeah. What was your snap count? Let's
11:45hear it. I had a cool one, bro. Let me hear it. Set. Blue 85. Blue 85. Love you, Gannon. See
11:55you, man. I'll text you again.
11:59What a gift and a curse it must have been to play under John Gruden because you probably
12:03had some really good times, but boy, when he was angry and wanted to get his point across,
12:07he must've been such an SOB to play for, man. Yeah, he was, you know, we all, we all
12:12noticed the Signetti expressions, right? On the sideline as the head coach. That was Gruden
12:19before Signetti. Nobody had the better facial expressions on the sideline than John Gruden.
12:26And, uh, and now Signetti is, is cut from that cloth, but my goodness, uh, how, who was filming
12:32that by the way, just somebody show up randomly and just film that and be like, oh, it's
12:36Rich Gannon. Oh, look at that. It's his, it's his coach. That's absolutely priceless.
12:42Which is great because you're on a city street and somebody's yelling at you. He's like, man,
12:45that's that voice sounds familiar. And of course it's Gruden and they can remind themselves.
12:50So plays 25 years ago, as if it was yesterday, that shows a pretty good connection right there
12:54between the two, which means quarterbacks in the Superbowl rising to the occasion.
12:59They're two pretty good quarterbacks. This one, Sam Darner looking to say, you know what?
13:02I was thrown on the scrap heap. I am about to be a Superbowl champion and maybe Superbowl
13:07MVP. And then there's Drake May. I'm barely in this league and I'm already going to start
13:10winning and winning big with a Superbowl process here. And maybe an MVP myself. Take a look at
13:15these passing props for both of these guys. Haven't changed much Joe over the past two days. You see
13:19the 20 and a half passing prop here for Drake May and two 28 and a half for Sam Darnold. Touchdown
13:24passes comparable plus one 34 for two touchdown passes for May minus one Oh eight for two touchdown
13:29passes from Sammy D. Yeah. And listen, I, it just depends on game script and what you think
13:36is going to happen here. Now I do think both quarterbacks are going to have to get it done
13:42here because I don't believe that Seattle and Kenneth Walker are going to have a ton of room
13:47to run in this game. And you know, on the other side there, I think it's going to be difficult
13:53for Ramondre Stevenson and company to be able to get it done, but it's going to have to be about
13:59the explosive plays, right? So both these guys could rack up a lot of stats, Donnie, along the
14:05way in this game, because ultimately it might just come down to which one of them makes the big play
14:11there through the air and who doesn't. Two good rushing defenses coming into this football game for
14:17Superbowl 60. Kenneth Walker, the third is a running back. His number is coming down a little bit
14:21here, Joe 73 and a half is his rushing prop. The lead dog in the backfield here for the Patriots
14:26feels like it is Ramondre Stevenson taking over that role. He's at 49 and a half, but lurking there
14:31trading on Henderson, only 17 and a half yards. His number dwindled in that previous game. They
14:36played in the AFC championship game, but do we see any pathway to victory Joe for one of these
14:40running backs on a prop betting market? Well, we know Henderson, right? Is the big play guy,
14:46the explosive play guy, he can rip one off that. It feels like a, like a light number.
14:51And we did just see, let's not forget. I mean, we, we did see Seattle kind of all of a sudden,
14:57Ben don't break. It wasn't like the Rams didn't put up a ton of points on them here. But if I was
15:03going to look at anybody in the, in that prop market for yardage, it might be the tight ends,
15:08Donnie. They might have the most success here, more so than the running backs in this spot.
15:13Taking a look at some of those wide receiver positions here, Jackson Smith and Jigba by far
15:18and away the lead dog, 93 and a half as he's listed here with his receiving prop. Stefan digs 44 and a
15:23half and a lot of value down across the board. And the guy that always sticks out is, Hey guys,
15:27maybe you want to use Rashid Shahid. He's only listed at 21 and a half on the odds board.
15:33Yeah. I mean, I, I liked that. I liked the Hunter Henry. I liked the Varna. I liked those props,
15:39Donnie up and over. Uh, they are going to be the, you know, the, uh, the safety valve,
15:44so to speak here with guys. And we saw what the tight ends, by the way of the Rams did to that
15:50defense of Seattle. I am sure McDaniel noticed as well. They aren't taking any factors here.
15:58Touchdown prop market show. Kenneth Walker, the third of minus one 95. They're basically telling you,
16:02don't bet this guy. He's going to score. Take somebody else. We'll certainly go over a lot more of
16:07these profits and more right here on the early line on the sports grid network, getting ready
16:11for the brothers coaching in the NFL. So the floor brothers and all you need to do is be tethered
16:18to Sean McVay out there for the Los Angeles Rams. And you get yourself a head coaching job. It's
16:22worked up pretty well for most of them. Here's Matt talking about being a head coach.
16:27If I had walked in the house in Mount Pleasant and said, one of you is going to be the head coach,
16:31the Arizona Cardinals won't be the coach of the green Bay Packers. You would have said what
16:34I'd say you're full of. It's just, yeah, it is pretty surreal. I mean, just humble beginnings.
16:42My dad at central Michigan. I played, I walked on at Western Michigan and played a D2 ball. Mike
16:49played at Elmhurst college D3 ball. And I think we have a really great appreciation for just guys that
16:57are essentially playing for the love of the game. And I think that is kind of in our core and who we are
17:04and then we've been so, so fortunate to be around.
17:10How about that? Talking about his brother. And by the way, he did fly out to go to his brother's
17:15press conference here, how much it meant to him and the family. And we also have another video here
17:19with Mike L, the brother talking about the players coming to the press conference.
17:23Guys in the back to the current players.
17:25I really appreciate you guys showing up. When I got the list of how many guys were coming and who was
17:33coming, it touched me, man. And I cannot wait to start building relationships with you guys. I can't
17:38wait to get to work with you guys. I promise I'll pour it all for you guys every single day. And I can't
17:45wait to just get this show going. You know, we'll get through today. We'll get through tomorrow. I told every single
17:50one of you, I'll be reaching out to you. But this is for you guys. And the staff that we're going to
17:54put together is a pour into you guys. When I got some of those FaceTimes on that Sunday, whether it
18:01be for my family, some friends, the ones that fired me up the most was coming from you guys. And it got
18:06me just more excited to get going. So I appreciate you guys. Can't wait to get to work.
18:12Wait till he goes to the first breakfast there at the facility and he gets a bill for like $19.99
18:17for his Cheerios and his toast there, Joe. He's not going to be happy about being in Arizona.
18:23Great. Wait, you mean $22 for a side of bacon? Like, wait a minute. What? What is going on?
18:29But I'm the head cut. Yeah, it doesn't matter. It's the Bidwells. Yeah, no, no. Yeah, no. There is
18:34wait until he gets a load of that building and the and the ownership group here and how cheap they are.
18:40Well, as soon as he's got to go in there and ask for, I don't know, extra cleats or something. Wait,
18:45wait and see what happens, Donnie. Yeah, probably signed a five-year deal, but it's paid out over
18:49the next 35 years here to maybe like a dollar a day as a head coach. Congratulations there on being
18:54out with Carlos, but we'll see if he can succeed. An offensive guy follows after a defensive guy,
18:59Jonathan Gannon. Maybe it works in their favor. How about Pittsburgh? They're ready for the draft
19:03in 2026. Pittsburgh, some of the renderings here. They're officially on the clock.
19:09Wow. Look at that. Boy, it's, you know, so good to see that the NFL just, you know,
19:16not about the money, just about making sure they they spread the draft to every. Oh, wait a minute.
19:23What's it? Oh, oh, it is about the money. Oh, it's about the bidding, Donnie. I'm sorry. It's
19:27the NFL about the money. So just when I thought they'd want to go to, you know, some of the legendary
19:32cities and football. Yeah, no, it has everything to do with the money. What a shock there, NFL.
19:38So, you know, where the draft guys would like to be there. Like, Hey, we're going to invite
19:42the top 20 down Miami, Los Angeles, Las Vegas, a nice destination city. They even had these guys
19:49like, there's a reason why it's in green Bay. I'm not going to green Bay to celebrate. I'd
19:52rather be in a party atmosphere. Call me when I'm drafted. I'm not going to green Bay at this
19:57point. How about this? Sometimes we overthink ourselves, Matt Ryan. I'm sure he wants to do
20:02a really good job as the president of operations in Atlanta. They say like, yeah, we got to have
20:05some conversations about our starting quarterback. What's the conversation? It's Penix. Is there
20:10any other conversation, Joe? Yeah, I don't think it is. I think basically he's sending
20:16the message to Penix and that, yeah, nothing is, nothing is guaranteed, but listen, he wasn't
20:23going to make the decision. He basically deferred it to Stefanski, but Stefanski was even less
20:28committal than he was. He talked about how he's got some really nice moments in the NFL,
20:36but it didn't sound overly, nobody said, this is our guy. We are in vain. We're going to do
20:42everything. It was like, is that some nice moments? Okay. It doesn't sound convincing to me.
20:49Could Kurt Cousins return to there? Because we know Stefanski loves his veterans, right? Nobody
20:56loved Flacco Morton Stefanski when he had young quarterbacks that he wasn't 100% trusting of.
21:03It'll be interesting to see what happens here. I'll tell you what is interesting to see is who's
21:07the quarterback going to actually be for the Cleveland Browns. The team Stefanski actually
21:11left Joe because why? New Browns head coach, Tom Munkin wouldn't commit to Shador Sanders as a team
21:16starting quarterback. No kidding. At least he's speaking the truth right there. Yeah. He's excited
21:21working with these quarterbacks. We're excited about getting another quarterback in town.
21:24Oh yes. I mean, and maybe the best part about, uh, about him was, uh, Munkin just going up there
21:32and saying, I didn't take this job because of Jim Schwartz. I mean, just Jim Schwartz is likely
21:37putting in his, uh, putting in his resignation as we speak here. Uh, but Hey, listen, the only
21:45saving grace right now for the immediate Browns future is that defense until you can figure out
21:52the quarterback spot. And right now, Don, they don't have a quarterback, not one. They can
21:57consider a franchise quarterback and Shador ain't it. No, absolutely not. And by the way,
22:04like Mike LaFleur took the job with Arizona. Don't you think for one minute, he went into that,
22:08you know, general manager meeting along with the bid wells as the owners and goes, yeah,
22:12I don't know what I'm going to do with this quarterback position. He has a plan. He's just
22:15not going to unveil it. And he also says he's not going to address the quarterback situation.
22:19He has a lot of respect for Kyler Murray. That's hint for, that's not my quarterback.
22:24He might've been a decent quarterback before. I don't think he's going forward with us though.
22:29Yeah. Well, cause I think it's out of his control, right? Because the bid wells, uh, have to,
22:34they overpaid and they should not have paid them and they're still going to pay her. I mean,
22:38you can't get rid of them without there being significant dead money that comes along with it.
22:44So you're probably stuck with him for at least one more season. You better make nice until you
22:49can figure something else out. They better make nice. So they figure something out at this point,
22:53you know, us should make nice here. DK Metcalf and that Detroit fan suing for $100 million.
22:59Yes. It feels like he's suing everybody too, Donnie. Not just him. Chad Johnson, Shannon Shaw.
23:08Like they're going, he's just, he's going scorched earth right now. I can't wait to see
23:13if a settlement comes out of this. Cause then I think there might be a few other guys willing to do
23:18the same antagonistic things there and see if he can get a player to punch him. My goodness.
23:24Look like that fan looks like he loves the media. It'll be interesting when he gets a check and then
23:28they go, we have to sign an NDA loan and do a check. We're never going to hear the end of this
23:32one. You know that we'll be right back. Final segment of the day. Going to include some best
23:36bets here. We'll take a look at where the public wants to go in our fade, the public poll, but also
23:40more important Cleveland, we weren't sure the head coach was going to be bit of a surprise.
23:44It was Todd Munkin. We're going to hear from Todd Munkin here on what the team's plans are.
23:47And also I think he included Jim Schwartz in those plans either. Let's hear from him.
23:52My anticipation is we're not going to change the system. Very difficult to go against.
23:57I'm not planning on changing the system. We're built for the system that they're in
24:01currently. And I'm not going to get into staffing because that's not at this time to get into that,
24:08but they can be rest assured that we're going to keep the same system. We're still going to let
24:14them attack. We're still going to let them play free. I can't see any other way. They're a big
24:20reason why I took this job. The defensive players. I didn't take this job because of Jim Schwartz.
24:28I have a lot of respect for Jim Schwartz, as I would hope he has for me. But I took it because
24:34the players that are here, the ownership, Andrew Barry, and the ability to build this roster from
24:40the ground up on the offensive side. So, and I said this to the other guys. I didn't think I'd say it,
24:46but I'm going to say it. When I was preparing for the Cleveland Browns, I wasn't trying to chip Jim
24:53Schwartz. I was chipping Miles Garrett. And when I was sliding a protection to the outside backers or
25:00Grant Delpit that were blitzing off the edge, I was sliding the protection of the players.
25:05And when I was worried about throwing to the right against Denzel Ward or Tyson Campbell to left,
25:10that's who I was worried about throwing at. That sounds ridiculous that they must hate each
25:16other. Those two guys, even before Jim Schwartz thought he should get that job. There's no reason
25:20to go to a press conference and say like, the defense coordinator could have been anybody. I
25:23don't even care. And by the way, if Jim wants to come back and come back, but it's the players on
25:26there. He has no way he's coming back to the Cleveland Browns. They must have hated each other over
25:31the years. I just love this. I mean, that is just priceless because you know, I mean, listen,
25:38every report up until yesterday, we have heard is that Monk and I hadn't said anything about the
25:44future of Jim Schwartz, right? With Cleveland. But we also know that the Haslams love Jim Schwartz
25:50and they had no intention. He's under contract. So they had no intention of letting him go no matter
25:57who they picked as the head coach. But my goodness, you want to talk about shots fired? What do you do
26:03now? If you're Jim Schwartz? Oh my goodness.
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