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STRAIGHT TALK EP 9 - WANJIRA WANJIRA - WHEN WE LOSE OUR FEAR THEY LOSE THEIR POWER

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00:00:30Welcome to Straight Talk, where we engage Kenya's brightest minds in the issues

00:00:35facing our nation. I'm your host, Yvonne Chege. This episode, we're joining...

00:00:40...by Wanjira Wanjiru. She's Kenya's social justice activist.

00:00:45The creator and co-founder of Madhari Social Justice.

00:00:50She's a political activist and generally somebody who's...

00:00:55...very engaged in the issues going on in our country and we're so...

00:01:00...blessed to have her on this episode. Thank you so much for joining us.

00:01:05Thank you for having me. You have a motto that...

00:01:10...is so pure. It says, when we lose...

00:01:15...our fear, they lose their power. Tell me what that...

00:01:20...motto is about. When we lose our fear, they lose their power.

00:01:25It's just a factual truth. And oftentimes...

00:01:30...I wonder why people just don't lose their fear. We are always complaining about...

00:01:35...the corruption in this country, the police brutality in this country.

00:01:40We are very good at expressing our...

00:01:45...dissatisfaction with the status quo and what's going on.

00:01:50And I always say...

00:01:52...when we just come together, everybody that's...

00:01:55...disgruntled. The other side has no power over us.

00:01:59So...

00:02:00...your fear keeps you stifled. It keeps you enslaved.

00:02:05Exactly. And it's only because we have fear that...

00:02:08...oppression keeps repeating itself.

00:02:10It's a tool of the oppressor.

00:02:13Does that then...

00:02:15...lend towards your motivation towards getting...

00:02:20...into activism?

00:02:21I got into activism sort of by...

00:02:25...lived experience. I was very young at the time. I just...

00:02:30...finished high school. I had experienced...

00:02:32...police brutality, of course, growing up.

00:02:35...in Mathare. But my elder brother was also killed by police.

00:02:38When I got older...

00:02:40...is when I began to see it as a systemic issue.

00:02:44And now that may...

00:02:45...made me feel like...

00:02:46...we cannot normalize this. Especially as a...

00:02:49...as a community.

00:02:50...it was mostly happening in informal settlements.

00:02:52And now we started challenging it.

00:02:54Not...

00:02:55...not from a point of fear...

00:02:57...but from a point of power...

00:02:59...a sovereign...

00:03:00...citizens of this country.

00:03:02Putting aside that we come from a poor...

00:03:05...neighbourhood.

00:03:06It's just that we are Canadians.

00:03:07We are sovereign citizens.

00:03:08And this...

00:03:09...cannot be...

00:03:10...allowed to continue to happen.

00:03:11Your older brother was killed by police.

00:03:14Mm-hmm.

00:03:15Was there any...

00:03:18...retribution...

00:03:20...or...

00:03:21...justice served in that instance?

00:03:25Uh...

00:03:26...may his soul rest in peace?

00:03:27Um...

00:03:28...no...

00:03:29...there wasn't.

00:03:30It was written that he was killed by Pangani police...

00:03:34...during the...

00:03:35...207...

00:03:36...208...

00:03:37...post-election violence.

00:03:38And during that time they...

00:03:40...there was a lot that was happening in the country.

00:03:42There was also the cleansing of...

00:03:44...uh...

00:03:45...young...

00:03:45...people.

00:03:46Um...

00:03:47...so my mum never got to put up a case.

00:03:50And a lot of women are...

00:03:53...following that trajectory.

00:03:55...given how long...

00:03:56...the judiciary takes...

00:03:58...to deal with this issue.

00:04:00...so it becomes like a reminder of the wounds...

00:04:03...the government inflicted on you.

00:04:05...by killing a child...

00:04:06...every time there's a court case...

00:04:08...and a drug zone.

00:04:10...year after year after year.

00:04:12So most parents are choosing to just...

00:04:14...accept that...

00:04:15...and their child is gone...

00:04:16...and leave it at that.

00:04:17And many people do that in Kenya.

00:04:19There's...

00:04:20...very many instances...

00:04:21...especially with the protests that happened...

00:04:23...two years ago...

00:04:24...people...

00:04:25...who have been killed...

00:04:26...by stray bullets...

00:04:28...within protests...

00:04:29...and there's...

00:04:30...no justice...

00:04:32...that has occurred...

00:04:33...how...

00:04:34...as an...

00:04:35...an activist...

00:04:36...it must seem...

00:04:37...very helpless.

00:04:38Um...

00:04:39...I think...

00:04:40...this is where my motto comes in.

00:04:42We see a police...

00:04:43...kill a young man...

00:04:44...when...

00:04:45...we know that this policeman...

00:04:46...has surely...

00:04:47...suddenly...

00:04:48...killed this young man...

00:04:49...yet...

00:04:50...we want to run...

00:04:51...to the judiciary...

00:04:53...or the court system...

00:04:54...that...

00:04:55...will take...

00:04:56...forever...

00:04:57...to deliver justice...

00:04:58...it just doesn't make sense...

00:05:00...to me...

00:05:01...sorry...

00:05:02...we have to deal with these people...

00:05:04...immediately...

00:05:05...so that it becomes a lesson...

00:05:07...to every other policeman.

00:05:08What is that?

00:05:10What is the dealing...

00:05:12...immediately...

00:05:13...from your perspective?

00:05:14What do you think I mean?

00:05:15...it's for you...

00:05:17...to suggest...

00:05:18...an eye for an eye...

00:05:19...a son for an eye...

00:05:20...or a son?

00:05:23...yeah...

00:05:24...oh...

00:05:25...well...

00:05:26...let's pivot...

00:05:27...you grew up in...

00:05:28...Madhari...

00:05:30...how...

00:05:31...okay...

00:05:32...you mentioned one instance...

00:05:33...here...

00:05:34...a very traumatizing...

00:05:35...your brother being killed...

00:05:36...by police...

00:05:37...I'm sure prior...

00:05:38...to that...

00:05:39...there were other...

00:05:40...instances that...

00:05:41...motivated you...

00:05:42...into getting into activism...

00:05:43...can you share that with us?

00:05:45...please?

00:05:46I think it's...

00:05:48...realizing that...

00:05:50...there's nobody...

00:05:51...from outside...

00:05:52...of our community...

00:05:53...that's going to come and bring...

00:05:55...the change...

00:05:56...that...

00:05:57...we want...

00:05:58...it's recognizing that...

00:06:00...poverty is...

00:06:02...manufactured...

00:06:03...and...

00:06:04...systemically entrenched...

00:06:05...it is not natural...

00:06:06...it is not an act of faith...

00:06:08...it is not laziness...

00:06:10...it's a political choice...

00:06:11...poverty is...

00:06:13...manufactured...

00:06:14...absolutely...

00:06:15...and I know this...

00:06:18...because I see...

00:06:19...how hard...

00:06:20...people work...

00:06:21...in this...

00:06:22...informal settlement...

00:06:23...and the political...

00:06:24...elite...

00:06:25...benefit...

00:06:26...of...

00:06:27...poverty...

00:06:28...I will give you...

00:06:29...a...

00:06:30...example...

00:06:31...okay...

00:06:32...during the...

00:06:33...Kazi Kwa Vijana...

00:06:34...uh-huh...

00:06:35...when the government...

00:06:36...was paying young people...

00:06:37...to clean...

00:06:38...the environment...

00:06:39...they were being paid weekly...

00:06:40...my mom has a shop...

00:06:42...in Matare...

00:06:43...so young people...

00:06:45...would take a loan...

00:06:46...we had a book...

00:06:47...you come...

00:06:48...you take things...

00:06:49...the mind...

00:06:50...you choose...

00:06:51...umichikuwa mkate...

00:06:52...maziwa...

00:06:53...ninini...

00:06:54...and then on Saturday...

00:06:55...when you...

00:06:55...you've been paid...

00:06:56...you come and clear...

00:06:57...the loan...

00:06:58...this was...

00:06:59...such a perfect time...

00:07:00...in Matare...

00:07:01...I was still a...

00:07:02...human rights monitor...

00:07:03...at MSJC...

00:07:04...and during this...

00:07:05...period when we had...

00:07:06...Kazi Kwa Vijana...

00:07:07...we documented...

00:07:08...zero cases...

00:07:09...of...

00:07:10...of police brutality...

00:07:11...this means...

00:07:12...that no young man...

00:07:13...was snatching phones...

00:07:14...or...

00:07:15...and works...

00:07:16...because they were...

00:07:17...they were engaged...

00:07:18...they were occupied...

00:07:19...they were working...

00:07:20...and being paid...

00:07:20...and able to provide...

00:07:21...yes...

00:07:22...gafla bin vu...

00:07:23...NYS...

00:07:24...

00:07:25...a...

00:07:26...scandal happened...

00:07:27...and all those billions...

00:07:28...were stolen by the...

00:07:30...political elite...

00:07:31...NYS1...

00:07:32...NYS1...

00:07:33...okay...

00:07:34...

00:07:35..and then...

00:07:37...kazi kwa vaya...

00:07:38...yikaisha...

00:07:39...mhm...

00:07:40It ended in January, I remember, February, that has to

00:07:4528 days. We documented 14 cases.

00:07:50of young men who've been killed by police.

00:07:55So we are coming from a transitional period where people were being taken care of by the government.

00:08:00They were having, even if little, they were having something to

00:08:05go by weekly. And now that social protection has been taken care of.

00:08:10They were taken away and look at how these people are being treated.

00:08:14This is a poor mother.

00:08:16He steals a handbag, he pays with his life.

00:08:18He steals a phone, he pays with his life.

00:08:20This is a politician. He steals billions of money.

00:08:25He goes to become governor.

00:08:28Why do we have

00:08:30such an equal application of the law?

00:08:32Or he's rewarded.

00:08:34Yeah.

00:08:35Yes.

00:08:36The more you steal, the more you're rewarded.

00:08:38Yeah.

00:08:39Yes.

00:08:40So you see how an equal it is, you see how the system is, you see how systemic it is.

00:08:45You see how intentional it is, you see how political it is.

00:08:48They are not accidents.

00:08:50They are not accidents or fate.

00:08:51They are political choices.

00:08:52They are systemic.

00:08:53They are political choices.

00:08:54It's systemic.

00:08:55And I argue that it must be systemically uprooted just as it is.

00:09:00It has been systemically entrenched.

00:09:01We'll get to that.

00:09:03Uprooting corruption.

00:09:05Because it's a very difficult thing.

00:09:10When somebody begins, right, especially someone beginning early,

00:09:15within their political career, corruption is a menace, right?

00:09:20But the more you grow, the more opportunities you find.

00:09:25the more your principles might change, right?

00:09:28Because the...

00:09:30Incentive might be more, how do you fight?

00:09:35If you were to be elected, for example, 2027...

00:09:40And somebody comes to you, I'll give you 300,000 to do this.

00:09:45That is illegal.

00:09:46How likely are you to not take the money?

00:09:50300,000 is a drop in the ocean.

00:09:52Oh!

00:09:53But anyway, my point would be...

00:09:55That it's not enough for just me as an individual to be in...

00:10:00in a political office.

00:10:02It is enough for like-minded individuals.

00:10:05To occupy these political spaces, which is why I am vouching...

00:10:10and pushing for the Jameses to occupy these political spaces...

00:10:14So that this...

00:10:15ideas that we have and are speaking about outside of the political space...

00:10:20we can go there and implement them together.

00:10:23Because what happens is...

00:10:24You go...

00:10:25You go there and you are overpowered, outnumbered, you are alone.

00:10:30You isolate it.

00:10:31You isolate it.

00:10:32It just becomes very difficult.

00:10:33But when we go there...

00:10:35as young people with this mindset, with this ideologies, with this...

00:10:40plans, I think it's going to be more realistic to deal with corruption.

00:10:45I sense this hopelessness about corruption.

00:10:48Do you know that in China...

00:10:50we kill corrupt officials?

00:10:53So again...

00:10:54political choice...

00:10:55political choices...

00:10:56It's political choices...

00:10:58but also political will as well.

00:11:00Right?

00:11:01In China, they had a law and there was a general will.

00:11:05from what I understand...

00:11:07to generally curb the vice.

00:11:09In Kenya...

00:11:10I'm not sure.

00:11:11Then it has to be the political will of the people.

00:11:15We have to decide...

00:11:16what do we do with corrupt officials?

00:11:18Because it's not fair...

00:11:19that we pay on...

00:11:20out of these taxes...

00:11:21and receive zero...

00:11:22zero...

00:11:23social protection services...

00:11:24even...

00:11:25education...

00:11:26it's just not fair...

00:11:28that thousands of Kenyan students...

00:11:30are at home...

00:11:32because the government...

00:11:33cannot...

00:11:34give these people...

00:11:35well education...

00:11:36you're right...

00:11:37because parents cannot afford it...

00:11:38Kenyans should be so...

00:11:40angry right now...

00:11:41like...

00:11:42what do you mean?

00:11:43What do our taxes do?

00:11:44Why are doctors striking?

00:11:45What do these taxes do?

00:11:47Well...

00:11:48many people would say then...

00:11:49right...

00:11:50our power...

00:11:51as an electorate...

00:11:52comes from the ballot...

00:11:53right...

00:11:54you go to...

00:11:55the polls...

00:11:56every five years...

00:11:57and you choose...

00:11:58the people you elect...

00:11:59if you...

00:12:00elect...

00:12:01a corrupt...

00:12:02individual...

00:12:03a person...

00:12:04who is...

00:12:05morally lacking...

00:12:07then you...

00:12:08kind of...

00:12:09should...

00:12:10expect...

00:12:11what comes to you...

00:12:12and you can see it...

00:12:13now...

00:12:14happening...

00:12:15Uganda...

00:12:16right...

00:12:17there's alleged...

00:12:18elections...

00:12:19we've seen...

00:12:20ballot rigging...

00:12:21we've seen...

00:12:22ballot stuffing...

00:12:23we've seen...

00:12:24um...

00:12:25heavy...

00:12:25police presence...

00:12:26internet...

00:12:27shut down...

00:12:28as well...

00:12:29how...

00:12:30optimistic...

00:12:33are you about...

00:12:34the Uganda...

00:12:35election...

00:12:36it was a lie...

00:12:38just like the...

00:12:39Tanzanian election...

00:12:40and...

00:12:41canons are beginning...

00:12:42to feel like...

00:12:43elections are probably...

00:12:44a lie...

00:12:45and...

00:12:45I don't even like...

00:12:46the idea...

00:12:47of waiting...

00:12:48every five years...

00:12:49to decide...

00:12:50the trajectory of...

00:12:50our lives...

00:12:51because what's happening...

00:12:52now...

00:12:53what's happening...

00:12:54now...

00:12:55right now...

00:12:55is so bad...

00:12:56we...

00:12:57we should be able...

00:12:58to...

00:12:59hold our leaders...

00:13:00I mean...

00:13:01the whole country...

00:13:02came out...

00:13:03in 2024...

00:13:04to say...

00:13:05we do not want...

00:13:06this kind of leadership...

00:13:07Does democracy...

00:13:08in East Africa exist?

00:13:10no...

00:13:11no...

00:13:12even in Kenya...

00:13:13I think...

00:13:14we like to think...

00:13:15in Kenya...

00:13:16we are...

00:13:17very...

00:13:18mature...

00:13:19and...

00:13:20um...

00:13:21uh...

00:13:22evolved...

00:13:23do we have...

00:13:25democracy...

00:13:26in Kenya...

00:13:27as we look...

00:13:28at our neighbours...

00:13:29and judge...

00:13:30very...

00:13:30certainly...

00:13:31what our neighbours...

00:13:32are doing...

00:13:33that makes me...

00:13:34want to think...

00:13:35because...

00:13:35when we look...

00:13:36at...

00:13:372022...

00:13:382002...

00:13:40there was democracy...

00:13:41democracy...

00:13:42happened...

00:13:43in this country...

00:13:44we saw...

00:13:45Kenyans come...

00:13:45together...

00:13:46and decide...

00:13:47that...

00:13:48Daniela Rakmoy...

00:13:49is no longer...

00:13:50going to be the...

00:13:50president of this...

00:13:51country...

00:13:52and I think...

00:13:53it was the first...

00:13:54serious uprising...

00:13:55American people...

00:13:56which...

00:13:57demonstrated...

00:13:58do you remember?

00:13:592002...

00:14:00yes...

00:14:00you remember...

00:14:01when...

00:14:02everybody...

00:14:03rallied...

00:14:04behind...

00:14:05Kibaki...

00:14:05and...

00:14:06Moy...

00:14:07was defeated...

00:14:08after...

00:14:09a 24-year...

00:14:10dictatorship...

00:14:10so...

00:14:11you're hoping...

00:14:12we kind of...

00:14:13have...

00:14:14that kind of...

00:14:15moment...

00:14:15we're gonna...

00:14:16have to have that...

00:14:17yes...

00:14:18in 2027...

00:14:19uh-huh...

00:14:20we're gonna...

00:14:20all rally...

00:14:21behind...

00:14:22one presidential...

00:14:23candidate...

00:14:25we're gonna...

00:14:26have to have...

00:14:27separate...

00:14:28tallying...

00:14:29for votes...

00:14:30it's not...

00:14:30going to be...

00:14:31just...

00:14:32IEBC...

00:14:33we do not trust...

00:14:34IEBC...

00:14:35for obvious reasons...

00:14:35we're gonna...

00:14:36have to have...

00:14:37uh...

00:14:38uh...

00:14:39community protection...

00:14:40because we know...

00:14:41that there is...

00:14:42high likelihood...

00:14:43for violence...

00:14:44we've had that...

00:14:45violence is also...

00:14:46being organized...

00:14:47here and there...

00:14:48we're gonna...

00:14:49have to defend...

00:14:50the Kenyan democracy...

00:14:51as we know it...

00:14:52or...

00:14:53lose it...

00:14:54altogether...

00:14:55I don't like to be...

00:14:57pessimistic...

00:14:58or...

00:14:59or lose it...

00:15:00all together...

00:15:01yeah...

00:15:02it's a...

00:15:03it's a really...

00:15:04catch-22...

00:15:05what...

00:15:06what makes you...

00:15:05say you have no...

00:15:06trust in IEBC...

00:15:07what has given you...

00:15:09any kind of...

00:15:10proof...

00:15:11that they won't...

00:15:12be able...

00:15:13to hold...

00:15:15a credible election...

00:15:16one...

00:15:17it's because...

00:15:18what has happened...

00:15:19when they have dared...

00:15:20to...

00:15:21remember...

00:15:22Chris...

00:15:23he was murdered...

00:15:24for daring...

00:15:25to say...

00:15:26the truth...

00:15:27about...

00:15:28the elections...

00:15:30two...

00:15:31is how...

00:15:32the previous elections...

00:15:33were handled...

00:15:34the IEBC...

00:15:35the commissioners...

00:15:36were split...

00:15:37we had those...

00:15:38who were...

00:15:39for...

00:15:40and those...

00:15:41who were...

00:15:42against...

00:15:43three...

00:15:44they're just not...

00:15:45doing enough...

00:15:46for voter registration...

00:15:47and...

00:15:48four...

00:15:48they're not doing...

00:15:49their bit...

00:15:50as a commission...

00:15:51as an electoral...

00:15:52commission...

00:15:53other civil society...

00:15:54organizations...

00:15:55have to take up...

00:15:56this...

00:15:57role...

00:15:58and responsibility...

00:15:58um...

00:16:00yeah...

00:16:01so...

00:16:02there's just not...

00:16:03enough...

00:16:03ah...

00:16:04also...

00:16:05their...

00:16:06their...

00:16:07their utterances...

00:16:08recently...

00:16:08uh...

00:16:09that...

00:16:10the...

00:16:112027...

00:16:12elections...

00:16:13are like...

00:16:13clear...

00:16:14to be...

00:16:15zikona...

00:16:16wezekano...

00:16:17zinaheza...

00:16:18zinaheza kua...

00:16:19Sasa...

00:16:20goeni...

00:16:21Electoral Commission...

00:16:23Kiambia wa kenya...

00:16:24zinaheza kuwa...

00:16:25and we will be able to raise elections.

00:16:29You see?

00:16:30Yeah.

00:16:30So there's, and a lot of people are saying,

00:16:35Kenyan should stop kidding themselves

00:16:37that they're going to remove Rotor by the ballot.

00:16:40So there's voter apathy.

00:16:42There is.

00:16:43Many people don't want to.

00:16:45Engage in those shenanigans.

00:16:47In the shenanigans, the long lines, all of the things.

00:16:50That will come along with going to vote.

00:16:53But.

00:16:55Then you ask yourself, then does democracy really exist?

00:16:58Yeah.

00:16:59What, what, what.

00:17:00What is the alternative?

00:17:01You see, Yvonne, after what happened in Tanzania and

00:17:05what happened in Uganda?

00:17:06You cannot blame Kenyans for just being, oh my God.

00:17:09Yeah.

00:17:10Why would I do it?

00:17:12What's the point?

00:17:13Someone's going to shoot at me for no reason.

00:17:15Because I went to cast my vote.

00:17:17Why would I do it?

00:17:18Because this is your country and your love.

00:17:20You have it and you cannot protect it.

00:17:22Otherwise, what's the alternative?

00:17:25Another round of dictatorship.

00:17:28Another round of dictatorship.

00:17:30Why would we just continue with life?

00:17:33You know, sometimes people are like.

00:17:35You know what?

00:17:36If I can go to work in the morning, pay my school fees.

00:17:40See my husband.

00:17:41Have a soft life.

00:17:42Why would I bother with this business?

00:17:45Called politics and voting and elections.

00:17:48What.

00:17:49What.

00:17:50What objective does it serve to me as a person?

00:17:54Because.

00:17:55Uh.

00:17:55That's an illusion that people put themselves in.

00:17:58It could crumble.

00:18:00In a minute.

00:18:01With.

00:18:02Bad leadership.

00:18:03And we've seen it happen.

00:18:05In other countries.

00:18:06Um.

00:18:07Why people should care about elections.

00:18:10Is because it's very important.

00:18:11Who's driving the politics in your country.

00:18:13Because politics are.

00:18:15exploring the respect.

00:18:16Every aspect.

00:18:17Every aspect of our lives.

00:18:18Even the hospital would we go through.

00:18:19The school.

00:18:20our kids go to, our priorities as a country.

00:18:25You would say are so misplaced, who needs a stadium?

00:18:30When hospitals cannot care for the populace.

00:18:34Good point.

00:18:35Our monies are being spent so carelessly and being said that they are so scarce.

00:18:40Yet we see extravagance.

00:18:42If we keep complaining about this...

00:18:45and do nothing about it, then it's really on us.

00:18:50We have to be so hungry in 2027.

00:18:52We have to be so united in 2027.

00:18:55We have to be so serious about this country.

00:18:58Fiercely so.

00:19:00The political elite are as afraid as they were in 2024.

00:19:05July.

00:19:06We have to be clear.

00:19:10Who owns Kenya?

00:19:12Is it these politicians?

00:19:14Or the...

00:19:15the people of Kenya?

00:19:16That's the big question in 2027.

00:19:20I think it's interesting.

00:19:22You have great points.

00:19:24You're saying we have to be...

00:19:25angry.

00:19:26We have to be united.

00:19:27We have to be clear.

00:19:28Right?

00:19:29And organized.

00:19:30And organized.

00:19:31I'd better add that.

00:19:32Organized as well.

00:19:33Yeah.

00:19:34Angry, we do very well.

00:19:35Anywhere you go in the first four years before an election cycle...

00:19:40Everyone is angry.

00:19:42United is where the challenge comes.

00:19:45Year five, somehow.

00:19:46Tribe comes in.

00:19:47Year five, somehow.

00:19:48Tribe comes in.

00:19:49Um...

00:19:50Areas come in.

00:19:51Mutuako syndrome comes in.

00:19:54And all of a sudden...

00:19:55a guy who's been...

00:19:57swindling your funds for five years...

00:19:59gets real.

00:20:00elected.

00:20:01For no reason, absolutely.

00:20:02How do we...

00:20:03How do we change that mentality?

00:20:05I think the Gen Z's have already changed our CCCC.

00:20:10that need to go on a Yoshidaya...

00:20:12tribe.

00:20:13Because it really doesn't make sense.

00:20:15My Uber driver this morning was telling me how...

00:20:18How...

00:20:19How...

00:20:20the Luya tribe has...

00:20:22uh...

00:20:2328 sub-tribes.

00:20:24Mm-hmm.

00:20:25Maragoli.

00:20:26Da-da-da-da-da-da-da.

00:20:27And how it's so difficult to have just one person.

00:20:30to be the flag bearer.

00:20:31And in my head I was just like,

00:20:33where is that bearing in presence?

00:20:35in present day politics.

00:20:36What does it matter if you are...

00:20:38Maragoli...

00:20:39or...

00:20:40Bukusu...

00:20:41or...

00:20:42I...

00:20:43I don't know the sub-tribes.

00:20:44But those things are so irrelevant.

00:20:45We are pushing for issue-based politics.

00:20:48Can you deliver education...

00:20:50for Kenyans?

00:20:51Can you deliver healthcare?

00:20:54Can you...

00:20:55deliver a higher quality of life?

00:20:57Can you implement...

00:20:58the Constitution of Kenya Treaty?

00:21:00In 2010?

00:21:01Those are the issues we should be talking about.

00:21:04And we have seen...

00:21:05that tribe is really a divide and rule tactic that maybe has worked

00:21:10over the years, but now we're just like, it doesn't matter who is present.

00:21:15It doesn't matter what tribe you come from. It matters who is president. It doesn't matter.

00:21:20What tribe you're coming from. What matters is the kind of politics.

00:21:25You're bringing to our country. Are you advancing our lives?

00:21:30Or regressing our lives?

00:21:34Is it about

00:21:35a bad thing to want to identify because I am okay. I'm not trying

00:21:40to describe the list, but I understand where it comes from. I want to identify with a person I've

00:21:45voted for. And I would like them to look like me.

00:21:50To sound like me. To speak my language. That's not a bad thing.

00:21:55The bad thing is it just doesn't matter if I speak like you, if I look like you, if

00:22:00my last name matches yours, what matters is, do you have the same view?

00:22:05What matters is the situation I have for this country. If I put you in a position of leadership.

00:22:10Are you going to drive us forward? Because think about it.

00:22:15It really doesn't matter who. Let me give you a perfect example.

00:22:20Yes.

00:22:21When Kenya gained independence in 1963, Joe McCain

00:22:25Kenya became the first president of this country. His tribesmen

00:22:30the majority of them fought for land and freedom, right?

00:22:35Do you know what Kenyatta did to these people?

00:22:40Yes.

00:22:41What did he do? Something that we will never

00:22:45forgive him for and future generations of this country. He told the British

00:22:50they could stay. Like you, they have our land.

00:22:55He told them you can stay. He bombed the freedom fighters who said we are not leaving.

00:23:00The forest without the land because the fight was not for you to become president.

00:23:05It was for us to get back our land, which we do not have because if

00:23:10he told the Muzungus, they can stay and keep our land. So he bit

00:23:15trade people who speak like him, people who look like him, people who

00:23:20have names that are similar, his kinsmen. So it's not really.

00:23:25Let's talk about identity. Let's have identity.

00:23:30Let's talk about identity. This is our identity of values of values.

00:23:35of a corrupt free country, of a country that is

00:23:40able to take care of health care for its people, education for its students.

00:23:44We share.

00:23:45In these values, and then it becomes easier to unify around these values.

00:23:50Because when we say we identify with tribes, can you imagine the fragmentation?

00:23:55That would cause.

00:23:56Already we have 42 tribes.

00:23:58There are sub-tribes within this.

00:24:00So if everybody is identifying with their tribes,

00:24:05it will cause further fragmentation.

00:24:07And the goal for 2027 is unity.

00:24:10So on what basis can we unite?

00:24:12That we do not want a Kenya where young people...

00:24:15are killed for voicing that they want an end to corruption.

00:24:20That they want a parliament that works for the people and not the president.

00:24:25his finance bill to be kicked out.

00:24:28Do you get me?

00:24:29No, I understand.

00:24:30You're saying despite or not despite, we can all be different.

00:24:35Yeah.

00:24:36We can all have our different languages.

00:24:39Yeah.

00:24:40Languages.

00:24:40Tribes.

00:24:41Tribes.

00:24:42Cultures.

00:24:43Yes.

00:24:44But we should unite and recognize...

00:24:45Kenya is uniting in terms of values.

00:24:47Right?

00:24:48Yeah.

00:24:49Unity.

00:24:50Justice.

00:24:51Peace.

00:24:52What...

00:24:53Yeah.

00:24:54The national anthem speaks...

00:24:55Yes.

00:24:56Right?

00:24:57Like a beautiful Kenya.

00:25:00And...

00:25:00Even...

00:25:01A magical Kenya.

00:25:02I wanna shout out the cultural...

00:25:05space.

00:25:06The entertainment space.

00:25:07The entertainment space.

00:25:08Because they're bringing this diversity.

00:25:10And the beauty of Kenya.

00:25:11In song.

00:25:12Like you'll hear a law artist has collab.

00:25:15With a kikuyu artist.

00:25:16Or...

00:25:17At Swahili...

00:25:18Mtawana imba shu...

00:25:19Mtawana imba shu...

00:25:20Mtawana imba sheng.

00:25:21Alafu anaintegrate.

00:25:22Kijaka and everybody else is vibing to that.

00:25:25Like just...

00:25:25Just bringing the beauty...

00:25:26Of our diversity.

00:25:27And that's so cute.

00:25:28I'm so glad.

00:25:30We have...

00:25:31Other different tribes.

00:25:32In this country.

00:25:33It's not just kikuyus.

00:25:34Or luo.

00:25:35Or khalis.

00:25:36I'm so glad we have all of these diversities.

00:25:38Because then that...

00:25:39Uh...

00:25:40Brings...

00:25:40The beauty of Kenya.

00:25:41As a whole.

00:25:42We are able to.

00:25:43I'm able to have...

00:25:45Luo sisters.

00:25:46I'm able to have...

00:25:47You know?

00:25:48It's so cute.

00:25:50But it doesn't...

00:25:52Dictate...

00:25:53Our politics.

00:25:54Our...

00:25:55Our politics.

00:25:56Are dictated.

00:25:57By our shared vision.

00:25:58For our country.

00:25:59Because now...

00:26:00We are brothers and sisters.

00:26:01Now we are allies.

00:26:02Now we are building something.

00:26:05Together.

00:26:06For our...

00:26:07For ourselves.

00:26:08And for posterity.

00:26:10I think you are highlighting also that maybe...

00:26:13Politicians may be...

00:26:15Utilize our tribe to...

00:26:17Divide and rule.

00:26:18Divide...

00:26:19Us.

00:26:20Us.

00:26:21And we live...

00:26:22As Kenyans.

00:26:23Very happily.

00:26:24With one another.

00:26:25As neighbors.

00:26:26And brothers.

00:26:27And friends.

00:26:28Other than on the one year.

00:26:30In which we have an election.

00:26:31Exactly.

00:26:32Yes.

00:26:33Exactly.

00:26:34Okay.

00:26:35You are a co-founder of the Madare Social Justice Center.

00:26:40Yes.

00:26:41When did you...

00:26:42Come around to doing that?

00:26:45I was 19, that was in 20.

00:26:50Just after high school.

00:26:52What was the objective of this project?

00:26:55To end the normalization of police brutality in Madhari, to awaken the police.

00:27:00That is why it's...

00:27:05Madhari Social Justice Center.

00:27:08So social justice is a constitution...

00:27:10And it's those things we are talking about.

00:27:12Healthcare.

00:27:13Our constitution says we have...

00:27:15The highest attainable standard of healthcare.

00:27:18Highest!

00:27:20Yes.

00:27:21You get the highest attainable.

00:27:22Yes.

00:27:23You get the highest attainable.

00:27:25The highest attainable standard of healthcare.

00:27:27Yes.

00:27:28Like that's a constitutional right.

00:27:30It's not...

00:27:30It's not utopia.

00:27:31It's not a crazy demand.

00:27:34It might be a bit...

00:27:35Of utopia.

00:27:36But yes.

00:27:37The amount of money these guys spend on nonsense.

00:27:40But you see, you're saying that Kenya can be utopia.

00:27:44We can with the right...

00:27:45The right objectives and political leadership we can create.

00:27:49The right objectives and political leadership we can create.

00:27:50Utopia.

00:27:51Right here where we live.

00:27:52Yeah.

00:27:53Exactly.

00:27:54With the right...

00:27:55Uh...

00:27:56With the right...

00:27:57Uh...

00:27:58Mechanisms for...

00:27:59If you deviate.

00:28:00Yeah.

00:28:00from this collective path that we are on you're gonna have to face consequences

00:28:05which I think is why China is so successful because it doesn't matter who you are

00:28:10if you steal our resources you pay with your life people should be so afraid

00:28:15about stealing our resources are from our collective funds

00:28:20because that's not there that's not there

00:28:25people just IBA and it's sort of being like a culture like everybody knows

00:28:30like it's this is how things are in Kenya I think for us as Gen Z

00:28:35as young people we are like we totally cannot normalize this because if we

00:28:40continue going down the hill it's just gonna get worse and worse

00:28:45I mean we had free primary education

00:28:50it was a crime to not take your child to school

00:28:53you'd be hunted down by the area chief

00:28:55right now

00:29:00education is so expensive

00:29:03it's cool

00:29:04it's cool you

00:29:05uniform alone is like what 30,000 uniform

00:29:10and this is a couple of years after Kibaki

00:29:15so if we continue going on this trajectory and life is supposed to get

00:29:20better as the years go by

00:29:22better as the years go by I think that is the natural trajectory of life

00:29:25life so we can see that it's getting worse which is why we are fighting so hard that this

00:29:30regression stops as as soon as possible and we start working on the

00:29:35right path and the regression is in every policy I think one of the things for

00:29:40Madare social justice centre is police brutality

00:29:45but we've seen over the past even just three four years

00:29:50the increase of extrajudicial killings increase of police protection

00:29:55mortality extra like increase of just a lot of

00:30:00brutality brutality and state sanctioned violence

00:30:05what how how are you guys going to proceed

00:30:10with this current trend we have published a report

00:30:15which is titled the who is next report

00:30:17our theatre team the social justice centre

00:30:20of travelling theatre is working on a film but now it really becomes a question for

00:30:25Canada a power is not working

00:30:30has not worked for for for it's supposed to be the body that deals with

00:30:35police successes I also have to mention that we have the most notorious killer cop

00:30:40in in court we have an ongoing case

00:30:45I think of Ahmed Rashid I think the whole country

00:30:48I think the whole country show him should the two boys for

00:30:50easily when they they had their hands up in surrender but that's my new to compare

00:30:55to the gen z killings that happened uh yeah compared to the gen z killings

00:31:00that happened in 2024 the abductions i mean

00:31:05it's now it's no longer a secret and there's no there's no

00:31:10drive towards any public inquiry

00:31:15there are those but you see with the current

00:31:20regime we're not gonna get anywhere with that no desire

00:31:23towards justice i've been going

00:31:25for the case of rex masai i've been going when rasheed has a mention in court

00:31:30this was in 2017 when the two boys were shot

00:31:35initially it's 20 20 6 we're still in court

00:31:40so what what change are you hoping for also it's individual cases

00:31:45this is something that requires systemic change because it's one kilo cup here

00:31:50one kilo cup there one kilo cup there uh but it doesn't mean that

00:31:55if you put this one in jail you're gonna reform the system

00:31:58i think we need to

00:32:00abolish the current police system and start from scratch

00:32:05how we recruit police how we train police because i don't think they have

00:32:10a patriotic training they have a training to clobber and

00:32:15respect orders and we saw you remember that policeman who

00:32:20is going to put gas he come he come pass one corner he didn't

00:32:25he didn't even have insurance he was acting on orders

00:32:37you

00:32:30and the other policeman who shot on gen z's and killed his own brother

00:32:35he was like yeah yeah it's so crazy

00:32:39it's so crazy

00:32:40These things are ridiculous. I think future historians will be looking at some of...

00:32:45the things that were happening in this country in the present time and they would just be, this was so...

00:32:50It's possible, yes, to...

00:32:55highlight the indiscretions in the...

00:33:00the poor behaviour of police forces. Absolutely, right?

00:33:05But there might be other factors involved as well.

00:33:10There are other factors involved as well.

00:33:14Yvonne.

00:33:15Do you remember when Albert O'Drong was killed in Kenya?

00:33:20We had a lot of finance matched

00:33:22and demanded that

00:33:23action is taken.

00:33:25And now we are talking about a promotion.

00:33:28For this...

00:33:30person who is said to have murder at O'Drong.

00:33:35So...

00:33:37And let's remember where police originated.

00:33:40from.

00:33:41Here in Kenya, it was to protect the interests of...

00:33:45the British.

00:33:46Against the natives, which is us.

00:33:48Now, the people.

00:33:50So, they have...

00:33:51So, they have...

00:33:52My grandmother was telling me about...

00:33:54um...

00:33:55When...

00:33:55When she was a baby.

00:33:56When she was like six, seven.

00:33:57There were this...

00:33:58sort of police.

00:33:59It was...

00:34:00It wasn't officially police.

00:34:01They were called Sari.

00:34:02Sari, yeah.

00:34:03Sari.

00:34:04They used to look for people.

00:34:05who have not gone to do communal.

00:34:07Communal work, which was digging trenches.

00:34:10Which is now dividing the...

00:34:12constituencies.

00:34:13And they were so violent.

00:34:15She told me how...

00:34:17her dad...

00:34:18was beaten by those Sari.

00:34:20guys.

00:34:21When they came to...

00:34:22their heart and found that...

00:34:23he was home.

00:34:24He was sick.

00:34:25My grandmother...

00:34:26My grandmother's...

00:34:27My great-grandmother had gone to the communal work.

00:34:29But my...

00:34:30My grandfather...

00:34:31Couldn't go.

00:34:32He was ill.

00:34:33He was ill.

00:34:34And the response to my...

00:34:35My great-grandmother...

00:34:35was...

00:34:36Alipigwa na...

00:34:37Rungu...

00:34:38Akafe.

00:34:39Akafe.

00:34:40Akafe.

00:34:40wakance.

00:34:41My grandfather fell.

00:34:42She would just found...

00:34:43a botangal.

00:34:44Akafe...

00:34:45That's a lot of pain.

00:34:46My grandmother...

00:34:47thought he had died...

00:34:49And she just started crying...

00:34:50And throwing out...

00:34:51grundsitating a knife...

00:34:52fork...

00:34:53to help.

00:34:54Gone into Akafe.

00:34:56Akafe.

00:34:58I was unconscious...

00:34:59And she just started crying...

00:35:01me cr values.

00:35:03And a me...

00:35:04like that policeman who's been arrested because he shot

00:35:09somebody's child like this like it's a chicken

00:35:14so you're saying again the motive of the police isn't necessary

00:35:19to enforce security it is to enforce the will of

00:35:24the upper class

00:35:26yeah

00:35:28but

00:35:29how do you change that you see demolish abolish defund you really

00:35:34can't abolish the police we can't abolish the police and not to abolish

00:35:39and have no protection it's to abolish so that we can rebuild the kind of

00:35:44police system that we want for ourselves and of course why you feel like it's an

00:35:48impossibility

00:35:49because not with this current regime because this is not a regime for the

00:35:53people

00:35:54it is a regime for the anti-people

00:35:56so when we have a

00:35:59people's regime

00:35:59it will be so automatic

00:36:02if we have a

00:36:03abolish

00:36:04abolish the police

00:36:05if we had a people's regime would we have to abolish the police

00:36:09because then the police would

00:36:10ultimately you know how they say the head reflects the neck or the neck

00:36:14reflects the head right perhaps right now the police operates based

00:36:19based on what the leadership is demonstrating

00:36:24if we had leadership that said we are for the people

00:36:29can we then try and reform the police

00:36:34in a manner that works for the Kenyan people

00:36:36for the past two three days

00:36:39decades

00:36:39it's been talks of police reforms

00:36:41so there's the trust is

00:36:44completely eroded

00:36:45we cannot reform a police force

00:36:49that is used to brutalize canyons and get away with it

00:36:52that is used to

00:36:54steal from canyons and get away with it

00:36:55the police stations are now extortion dense

00:36:57ukishikwa utoki evo

00:36:59unatoado

00:36:59unatoaka

00:37:01then i'll

00:37:01abolish the police

00:37:04so we rebuild

00:37:05we start afresh

00:37:07so we rebuild we start afresh

00:37:09yeah

00:37:10i have i have and i'm not the only one who had do you know

00:37:14how do you atinao you've you've become good you have reformed

00:37:19you've been killing people

00:37:20you've been stealing from people

00:37:22now

00:37:24you want to tell us you have reformed

00:37:25now we trust you with our lives

00:37:26you can't reform a gang

00:37:29you cannot

00:37:29you cannot legalize a gang

00:37:31you cannot

00:37:32and they

00:37:34have been operating like gangs allegedly

00:37:36ni system ya majombazi

00:37:38wate

00:37:39wate

00:37:40wate

00:37:40akuna kwa reform

00:37:41ni kuyabolish

00:37:43tuanzetena

00:37:44okay you speak like you have political aspirations

00:37:49do you have ideas about 2027

00:37:54the canon elections

00:37:55did i speak like i have political aspirations

00:37:59okay

00:38:00um i just want better for this country

00:38:04i and i feel like it's not something out of reach

00:38:09it's something that's very possible

00:38:11and um i will be contested

00:38:14for

00:38:14a member of county assembly

00:38:16in madari constituent

00:38:19i'd initially wanted to go for member of parliament

00:38:21uh but uh

00:38:24resources

00:38:24and

00:38:25it must be very challenging

00:38:27especially

00:38:29especially within nairobi

00:38:30the amount of money you need to run

00:38:32um

00:38:33and

00:38:34you see that's the other thing

00:38:35why do we have to have money politics

00:38:37it keeps good candidates away

00:38:39why

00:38:39why are our politics money politics

00:38:41like

00:38:43ukismama

00:38:44from the beginning

00:38:47from the beginning

00:38:49yes

00:38:49so it's problematic

00:38:50that our politics are money politics

00:38:53and not issue-based

00:38:54politics

00:38:54and not

00:38:55conversational politics

00:38:56about how we're gonna advance

00:38:58can

00:38:59collectively

00:38:59and i think that's one of the things

00:39:01that need to change as well

00:39:02because a politician will

00:39:04tell you

00:39:04and i've seen

00:39:04and i've heard

00:39:05in my constituency

00:39:06say

00:39:09makura yako

00:39:09sawa

00:39:10sinilikupea do

00:39:11tuonane after

00:39:12five years

00:39:14so this money

00:39:15takes away your voice

00:39:17to hold them accountable

00:39:18it shouldn't

00:39:19of course it shouldn't

00:39:20but

00:39:21the money politics

00:39:24is one of the things

00:39:25that even perpetuates corruption

00:39:26because when you are there

00:39:28in a position

00:39:29of leadership

00:39:29you start accumulating money

00:39:31in preparation

00:39:33for the next election

00:39:34you start stealing

00:39:35to give people

00:39:36or you have to recoup your money

00:39:38you've spent so much

00:39:39of your own money

00:39:40let me tell you a sad story

00:39:42in my

00:39:43concern

00:39:44constituency

00:39:44hospital ward

00:39:45there was a lady called susan

00:39:47i was still in high school

00:39:48when she was

00:39:48viral

00:39:49but sure

00:39:49it was just when this

00:39:51mca thing started

00:39:52it was the first time

00:39:53we were vying for

00:39:54um

00:39:55we were voting

00:39:55for a member of county

00:39:56assembly

00:39:57in susan

00:39:58two

00:39:59took laws

00:39:59and she was so confident

00:40:02she spent all her

00:40:04savings

00:40:04that she was going to win

00:40:06and then susan did not win

00:40:09she got so sick

00:40:10so stressed

00:40:12she died

00:40:14within a period of two months

00:40:16after the results

00:40:17she was so

00:40:18like

00:40:19her whole life

00:40:19just

00:40:20was so messed up

00:40:21by

00:40:21how that went

00:40:23she couldn't believe

00:40:24that she could put

00:40:25her everything

00:40:26into this course

00:40:28she could take

00:40:28close

00:40:29and then she doesn't get

00:40:30the money

00:40:31so

00:40:31this

00:40:32manipulator

00:40:34as mca

00:40:35how do you change that

00:40:36how does that change

00:40:37because that's

00:40:39something

00:40:39everyone who vies

00:40:41there isn't a person

00:40:42i haven't spoken to

00:40:44vies for public office

00:40:45that doesn't complain

00:40:46how much money

00:40:47you have to spend

00:40:49it is

00:40:49a common denominator

00:40:51with

00:40:52anyone

00:40:54who wants to run

00:40:54but somehow

00:40:56that's something

00:40:57that has never changed

00:40:59there's never a legislation

00:41:00cap

00:41:01on how much

00:41:02people spend

00:41:03on

00:41:03police

00:41:04you

00:41:04political campaigns

00:41:05and nobody seems

00:41:06to want

00:41:07to do anything

00:41:08about

00:41:09the fact that

00:41:10the amount of money

00:41:11you spend

00:41:12for an election

00:41:13is

00:41:13ex

00:41:14exorbitant

00:41:14it's wrong

00:41:15yeah

00:41:16i don't intend

00:41:18to give people

00:41:18my

00:41:19money

00:41:19to vote

00:41:19for me

00:41:20that's for one

00:41:21and i think

00:41:21that's gonna be

00:41:22interesting

00:41:22so i'll also

00:41:23be documenting

00:41:24myself

00:41:24we're doing

00:41:25the campaign

00:41:26period

00:41:27what about

00:41:28handouts

00:41:29yeah

00:41:30that is handouts

00:41:31t-shirts

00:41:32none of that

00:41:32what i

00:41:34what i intend

00:41:34to do

00:41:35for my

00:41:36campaign

00:41:36you know

00:41:37there are

00:41:37those

00:41:37hesabos

00:41:39you must

00:41:39have

00:41:39you must

00:41:41have

00:41:41hesabos

00:41:41for your

00:41:42security

00:41:42you must

00:41:43have

00:41:43hesabos

00:41:44you

00:41:44for your

00:41:44team

00:41:44you can't

00:41:45come

00:41:45and spend

00:41:45a whole

00:41:46day

00:41:46campaigning

00:41:48for me

00:41:48and

00:41:49then

00:41:49you're

00:41:49just

00:41:49going

00:41:49back

00:41:50home

00:41:50i have

00:41:50to

00:41:50figure

00:41:50out

00:41:51how

00:41:51you

00:41:52get

00:41:52home

00:41:52i have

00:41:53to

00:41:53figure

00:41:53out

00:41:54what

00:41:54you

00:41:54going

00:41:55eat

00:41:55that

00:41:55day

00:41:56because

00:41:56you

00:41:56are

00:41:56essentially

00:41:56working

00:41:58so

00:41:58there

00:41:58are

00:41:58those

00:41:58hesabos

00:41:59you

00:42:00but

00:42:02then

00:42:02this

00:42:03hesabos

00:42:03of

00:42:03giving

00:42:04you

00:42:04people

00:42:04money

00:42:04is

00:42:06not

00:42:06something

00:42:06that

00:42:06i

00:42:07would

00:42:07encourage

00:42:08people

00:42:09to

00:42:09do

00:42:09especially

00:42:09the

00:42:10young

00:42:10people

00:42:10that

00:42:10are

00:42:10vying

00:42:11we

00:42:11need

00:42:11to

00:42:11be

00:42:11the

00:42:11generation

00:42:12that

00:42:12does

00:42:12away

00:42:13with

00:42:13us

00:42:13kind

00:42:14of

00:42:14politics

00:42:14vote

00:42:15for

00:42:15me

00:42:15because

00:42:16you

00:42:16believe

00:42:16in

00:42:16me

00:42:17and

00:42:17our

00:42:17people

00:42:18are

00:42:19people

00:42:19who

00:42:19are

00:42:19looking

00:42:20for

00:42:20hope

00:42:21Raila

00:42:21didn't

00:42:22give

00:42:22people

00:42:22to

00:42:23go

00:42:23to

00:42:23his

00:42:24rallies

00:42:24because

00:42:25they

00:42:25believed

00:42:25he

00:42:25would

00:42:26deliver

00:42:26hope

00:42:27for

00:42:28them

00:42:28even

00:42:28if

00:42:29he

00:42:29didn't

00:42:29but

00:42:30it

00:42:30is

00:42:30believing

00:42:31what

00:42:31can

00:42:31you

00:42:32really

00:42:32do

00:42:32for

00:42:32us

00:42:33the

00:42:33thing

00:42:33the

00:42:33people

00:42:33who

00:42:34give

00:42:34money

00:42:35are

00:42:35people

00:42:35who

00:42:36have

00:42:36nothing

00:42:37else

00:42:37to

00:42:37give

00:42:37other

00:42:39than

00:42:39money

00:42:40so

00:42:41that

00:42:41you

00:42:41can

00:42:41vote

00:42:41for

00:42:42them

00:42:42and

00:42:42I

00:42:43think

00:42:43also

00:42:43money

00:42:44politics

00:42:44locks

00:42:45out

00:42:46the

00:42:46people

00:42:47who

00:42:47would

00:42:47otherwise

00:42:48take

00:42:49this

00:42:49country

00:42:49forward

00:42:50but

00:42:50they

00:42:50don't

00:42:51have

00:42:51money

00:42:51so

00:42:51politics

00:42:52becomes

00:42:53a

00:42:53game

00:42:53of

00:42:54the

00:42:54wealthy

00:42:54I've

00:42:55always

00:42:55said

00:42:56though

00:42:56as

00:42:56well

00:42:56if

00:42:57someone

00:42:58is

00:42:58handing

00:42:58out

00:42:58money

00:42:59take

00:43:00it

00:43:01take

00:43:02it

00:43:03I'm

00:43:03sorry

00:43:03yes

00:43:04absolutely

00:43:05the

00:43:06likelihood

00:43:07is

00:43:07it's

00:43:08some

00:43:08thing

00:43:08it's

00:43:09taxpayers

00:43:09money

00:43:10right

00:43:10but

00:43:11it

00:43:11shouldn't

00:43:11dictate

00:43:13where

00:43:13you

00:43:13tick

00:43:14on

00:43:15the

00:43:15day

00:43:16in

00:43:16which

00:43:16you

00:43:16need

00:43:16to

00:43:17do

00:43:17what

00:43:17you

00:43:17need

00:43:18to

00:43:18do

00:43:18it's

00:43:18usually

00:43:18the

00:43:19problem

00:43:19our

00:43:19people

00:43:19are

00:43:20so

00:43:20loyal

00:43:20if

00:43:21they

00:43:21take

00:43:21your

00:43:21money

00:43:21they

00:43:21can

00:43:22vote

00:43:22for

00:43:22you

00:43:22because

00:43:23they

00:43:23feel

00:43:23like

00:43:24mungu

00:43:24anawaona

00:43:24they

00:43:25feel

00:43:25like

00:43:25also

00:43:26the

00:43:26fact

00:43:26that

00:43:26ume

00:43:27wapeahido

00:43:27like

00:43:29you

00:43:29are

00:43:29working

00:43:29for

00:43:30this

00:43:30seat

00:43:30like

00:43:30you

00:43:31really

00:43:31want

00:43:31it

00:43:32I

00:43:32think

00:43:32that's

00:43:32the

00:43:32translation

00:43:35but

00:43:35now

00:43:36our

00:43:36civic

00:43:36and

00:43:36political

00:43:37education

00:43:37should

00:43:37be

00:43:38and

00:43:38especially

00:43:39people

00:43:39who

00:43:39are

00:43:40already

00:43:41holding

00:43:41political

00:43:42seats

00:43:42that

00:43:43these

00:43:44are

00:43:44our

00:43:45taxes

00:43:45please

00:43:46take

00:43:47all

00:43:47this

00:43:47money

00:43:47we

00:43:49need

00:43:49to

00:43:49have

00:43:49that's

00:43:50the

00:43:50unity

00:43:50I

00:43:50was

00:43:50talking

00:43:51about

00:43:51it's

00:43:51also

00:43:52unity

00:43:52of

00:43:52action

00:43:52when

00:43:53these

00:43:53people

00:43:54come

00:43:54with

00:43:54campaign

00:43:55moneys

00:43:55should

00:43:56we

00:43:56take

00:43:56this

00:43:56money

00:43:56absolutely

00:43:57play

00:43:58because

00:43:58these

00:43:59are

00:43:59our

00:43:59taxes

00:43:59but

00:44:00then

00:44:00how

00:44:00are

00:44:01we

00:44:01voting

00:44:01we

00:44:02need

00:44:03to

00:44:03decide

00:44:03a

00:44:04system

00:44:06overhaul

00:44:07fagia

00:44:08wote

00:44:08tunafat

00:44:09fagia

00:44:09kila

00:44:10mtumunyalikuwa

00:44:11ayo

00:44:12bunge

00:44:13moneys

00:44:14vote

00:44:14yes

00:44:14or

00:44:15your

00:44:15finance

00:44:15bill

00:44:16people

00:44:16should

00:44:16not

00:44:16be

00:44:17so

00:44:17forgiving

00:44:17people

00:44:18should

00:44:18don't

00:44:19be

00:44:19so

00:44:19forgetful

00:44:20it

00:44:20really

00:44:21still

00:44:21is

00:44:21people

00:44:22you

00:44:22versus

00:44:23those

00:44:24guys

00:44:24it

00:44:24still

00:44:25is

00:44:25and

00:44:26I

00:44:26think

00:44:26right

00:44:26now

00:44:27they've

00:44:27got

00:44:27it

00:44:27so

00:44:27comfortable

00:44:28because

00:44:28the

00:44:28people

00:44:28they

00:44:29think

00:44:29people

00:44:29have

00:44:29gotten

00:44:30so

00:44:30laxed

00:44:31and

00:44:31people

00:44:31have

00:44:32fun

00:44:32forgotten

00:44:32but

00:44:32I

00:44:33promise

00:44:33you

00:44:33people

00:44:34have

00:44:34not

00:44:34forgotten

00:44:35people

00:44:35still

00:44:36hold

00:44:36as

00:44:36much

00:44:36anger

00:44:37and

00:44:38I

00:44:38think

00:44:382027

00:44:39will

00:44:39be

00:44:39the

00:44:39battlefield

00:44:40really

00:44:40of

00:44:41so

00:44:42who

00:44:43who

00:44:43takes

00:44:43care

00:44:44now

00:44:44so

00:44:46you

00:44:46are

00:44:47saying

00:44:47and

00:44:47Madari

00:44:48Social

00:44:49Justice

00:44:49Center

00:44:51yeah

00:44:52is also

00:44:53involved

00:44:53in a lot

00:44:53of

00:44:54community

00:44:54building

00:44:55and

00:44:55civic

00:44:56education

00:44:56as

00:44:57well

00:44:57and

00:44:57that

00:44:57must

00:44:57be

00:44:58part

00:44:58of

00:44:58what

00:44:59you

00:44:59are

00:44:59teaching

00:45:00as

00:45:00well

00:45:00yeah

00:45:01like

00:45:01your

00:45:02vote

00:45:02regardless

00:45:03yeah

00:45:04of

00:45:05whether

00:45:05someone

00:45:06gives

00:45:06you

00:45:07money

00:45:07you

00:45:07or

00:45:08oil

00:45:09or

00:45:10something

00:45:11in

00:45:12you

00:45:12terms

00:45:12of

00:45:12encouraging

00:45:13the

00:45:13way

00:45:13in

00:45:14which

00:45:14you

00:45:14vote

00:45:14doesn't

00:45:15mean

00:45:15that

00:45:16when

00:45:16you

00:45:16get

00:45:16into

00:45:17that

00:45:18sacred

00:45:19ballad

00:45:19that

00:45:20you

00:45:20go

00:45:20along

00:45:21with

00:45:21what

00:45:22yes

00:45:22they

00:45:23did

00:45:23now

00:45:23we

00:45:24are

00:45:24teaching

00:45:25political

00:45:25education

00:45:26there's

00:45:26a

00:45:27difference

00:45:27between

00:45:27civic

00:45:27education

00:45:28and

00:45:29political

00:45:29education

00:45:30political

00:45:31education

00:45:32has

00:45:32an

00:45:33in-depth

00:45:33analysis

00:45:34of

00:45:35our

00:45:35politics

00:45:35and

00:45:36especially

00:45:36now

00:45:37for

00:45:37us

00:45:37who

00:45:37are

00:45:37mostly

00:45:38localized

00:45:38at

00:45:39Mathare

00:45:40which

00:45:41which

00:45:42is

00:45:42the

00:45:43same

00:45:43as

00:45:43in

00:45:44Kibera

00:45:44as

00:45:44in

00:45:45Kaiole

00:45:45as

00:45:45in

00:45:45especially

00:45:46with

00:45:46all

00:45:46of

00:45:46this

00:45:47social

00:45:47justice

00:45:47centers

00:45:48that

00:45:49are

00:45:49everywhere

00:45:49and

00:45:49doing

00:45:50the

00:45:50exact

00:45:50same

00:45:50thing

00:45:51we're

00:45:51doing

00:45:51in

00:45:51Mathare

00:45:52Mkuru

00:45:52Justice

00:45:52Center

00:45:53will

00:45:53have

00:45:54conversations

00:45:55about

00:45:55housing

00:45:56for

00:45:56example

00:45:57yesterday

00:45:57we

00:45:57saw

00:45:57that

00:45:57their

00:45:58houses

00:45:58were

00:45:59being

00:45:59demolished

00:46:00a

00:46:00government

00:46:00that

00:46:01demolishes

00:46:01your

00:46:02houses

00:46:02without

00:46:02an

00:46:03alternative

00:46:03is

00:46:04not

00:46:04a

00:46:05government

00:46:05that

00:46:05deserves

00:46:06your

00:46:06presence

00:46:07even

00:46:07let alone

00:46:08your

00:46:08vote

00:46:08like

00:46:09that's

00:46:09an

00:46:10enemy

00:46:10of

00:46:10the

00:46:10people

00:46:12so

00:46:12MSGC

00:46:14is

00:46:14conducting

00:46:14community

00:46:15dialogues

00:46:16where

00:46:16we're

00:46:16having

00:46:17very

00:46:17honest

00:46:17conversations

00:46:18about

00:46:18the

00:46:19kind

00:46:19of

00:46:19politics

00:46:20we

00:46:20have

00:46:20in

00:46:21our

00:46:21country

00:46:21and

00:46:21especially

00:46:22in

00:46:22our

00:46:22community

00:46:23if

00:46:24you

00:46:24remember

00:46:24it

00:46:25is

00:46:25in

00:46:25our

00:46:25community

00:46:26that

00:46:26we

00:46:26have

00:46:26the

00:46:27gunzies

00:46:27it

00:46:28is

00:46:29in

00:46:29our

00:46:29communities

00:46:29that

00:46:30we

00:46:30have

00:46:30people

00:46:30who

00:46:30are

00:46:31hired

00:46:31as

00:46:31people

00:46:32political

00:46:32goals

00:46:32yeah

00:46:33so

00:46:34we

00:46:34have

00:46:34a

00:46:34conversation

00:46:35about

00:46:35that

00:46:35like

00:46:36let's

00:46:36talk

00:46:36about

00:46:37and

00:46:37we

00:46:37know

00:46:37those

00:46:37people

00:46:38some

00:46:38of

00:46:38them

00:46:38let's

00:46:39talk

00:46:39about

00:46:39your

00:46:39role

00:46:40as

00:46:40a

00:46:40gunzi

00:46:41and

00:46:41how

00:46:42it

00:46:42impacts

00:46:42your

00:46:43life

00:46:43long

00:46:43term

00:46:44how

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00:53:44the

00:53:45council

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00:53:48Kibuda

00:53:48Kibwana

00:53:49when he

00:53:50was

00:53:50governor

00:53:51in

00:53:51McQueen

00:53:51county

00:53:52he

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00:53:53really

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00:53:53job

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00:53:54have

00:53:54to

00:53:54commend

00:53:55him

00:53:55Kenyan

00:53:56wanted

00:53:56to

00:53:56make

00:53:56him

00:53:57president

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00:54:05of

00:54:05McQueen

00:54:06would

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00:54:07hospital

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00:54:08school

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00:54:29country

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00:54:31balances

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00:54:34parliaments

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00:54:36finance

00:54:37bill

00:54:37taught

00:54:37us

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00:54:38checks

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00:54:39the

00:54:39parliament

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00:54:47the

00:54:47constitution

00:54:47says

00:54:48we

00:54:48could

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00:54:48exercise

00:54:49our

00:54:49power

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00:54:51the

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00:54:52council

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00:54:56power

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00:55:16does

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00:55:22place

00:55:23how

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00:55:25disseminate

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00:55:26system

00:55:26from

00:55:27the

00:55:27ground

00:55:27up

00:55:28it

00:55:28happens

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00:55:28happen

00:55:28in

00:55:28Makoeni

00:55:29this

00:55:30is

00:55:30to

00:55:30show

00:55:30us

00:55:30that

00:55:30this

00:55:31is

00:55:31very

00:55:31possible

00:55:32in

00:55:32Kenyans

00:55:33was

00:55:33so

00:55:33happy

00:55:33with

00:55:34how

00:55:34Makoeni

00:55:34performed

00:55:36now

00:55:37as a

00:55:38grassroots

00:55:38activist

00:55:38we

00:55:39have

00:55:39done

00:55:39so

00:55:39many

00:55:40community

00:55:40dialogues

00:55:41and

00:55:42it

00:55:42was

00:55:42also

00:55:43birthed

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00:55:44that

00:55:44and

00:55:44also

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00:55:45experience

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00:55:46social

00:55:47justice

00:55:47activists

00:55:48we

00:55:49had

00:55:49Madhari

00:55:49Social

00:55:50Justice

00:55:50Center

00:55:51Kayole

00:55:51Community

00:55:52Justice

00:55:52Center

00:55:53Kibira

00:55:53Justice

00:55:53Center

00:55:54Dandora

00:55:55Kamukunji

00:55:57and

00:55:57we

00:55:57would

00:55:57come

00:55:57together

00:55:58in

00:55:58a

00:55:59sort

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00:55:59a

00:55:59parliament

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00:56:00I

00:56:00would

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00:56:01example

00:56:02the

00:56:02issues

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00:56:02the

00:56:02people

00:56:02of

00:56:03Madhari

00:56:03somebody

00:56:04else

00:56:04would

00:56:04represent

00:56:05Kayole

00:56:05or

00:56:06Kibera

00:56:07and

00:56:07then

00:56:07we

00:56:07would

00:56:08see

00:56:08the

00:56:09interconnectedness

00:56:10of

00:56:10all

00:56:11of

00:56:11these

00:56:11issues

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00:56:14how

00:56:14to

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00:56:15them

00:56:16so

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00:56:17people

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00:56:22it

00:56:22was

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00:56:23nice

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00:56:23never

00:56:23wanted

00:56:24to

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00:56:24any

00:56:25working

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00:56:27so

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00:56:28moment

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00:56:29people

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00:56:34for

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00:56:37this

00:56:38experience

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00:56:39say

00:56:39let's

00:56:39devolve

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00:56:40further

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00:56:41communities

00:56:43and

00:56:43it

00:56:43will

00:56:43be

00:56:44easier

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00:56:45communities

00:56:45like

00:56:46the

00:56:46informal

00:56:47settlements

00:56:47but

00:56:48I

00:56:48know

00:56:48also

00:56:49other

00:56:50places

00:56:50people

00:56:51are

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00:56:51in

00:56:52different

00:56:52forms

00:56:52so

00:56:53it's

00:56:54like

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00:56:55have

00:56:55community

00:56:56leaders

00:56:56we

00:56:57have

00:56:57women

00:56:58leaders

00:56:58we

00:56:59have

00:56:59church

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00:57:01we

00:57:02don't

00:57:02church

00:57:02is

00:57:02not

00:57:03very good

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00:57:03but

00:57:03what

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00:57:07already

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00:57:08luckily

00:57:09the

00:57:09people's

00:57:09councils

00:57:10will

00:57:10have

00:57:10the

00:57:11people

00:57:11of

00:57:11that

00:57:11region

00:57:13choose

00:57:13who

00:57:13is

00:57:14going

00:57:14to

00:57:14represent

00:57:17the

00:57:17community

00:57:18in

00:57:18the

00:57:18council

00:57:19trusting

00:57:20that

00:57:20they

00:57:20will

00:57:20fight

00:57:21for

00:57:21their

00:57:21interest

00:57:22and

00:57:22according

00:57:23continue

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00:57:23have

00:57:23regular

00:57:24meetings

00:57:25but

00:57:25it's

00:57:26mostly

00:57:26to

00:57:26have

00:57:27checks

00:57:27and

00:57:27balances

00:57:28to

00:57:28fight

00:57:29for

00:57:29that

00:57:29social

00:57:30justice

00:57:30and

00:57:31implement

00:57:31it

00:57:31if

00:57:32we

00:57:32have

00:57:32a

00:57:33people's

00:57:34council

00:57:34we

00:57:35wouldn't

00:57:36be

00:57:36having

00:57:36stadiums

00:57:37all

00:57:37over

00:57:37and

00:57:37hospital

00:57:38hazina

00:57:39dawa

00:57:40na

00:57:41madaktari

00:57:41wana

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00:57:43so

00:57:43the

00:57:43people's

00:57:44council

00:57:44is

00:57:45the

00:57:46people

00:57:46exercising

00:57:46their

00:57:47power

00:57:47directly

00:57:47together

00:57:49with

00:57:49the

00:57:49people

00:57:50who

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00:57:50our

00:57:51power

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00:57:52it's

00:57:54an

00:57:54attempt

00:57:54and

00:57:55I

00:57:55would

00:57:55invite

00:57:56candidates

00:57:56to

00:57:56engage

00:57:57us

00:57:57on

00:57:57that

00:57:58I

00:57:59think

00:57:59there's

00:58:00no

00:58:01harm

00:58:01and

00:58:02no

00:58:02nobody

00:58:02should

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00:58:03fear

00:58:03in

00:58:04trying

00:58:04right

00:58:05especially

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00:58:06status

00:58:07quid

00:58:07you

00:58:07isn't

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00:58:09right

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00:58:11wrap

00:58:12up

00:58:12maybe

00:58:13you'd

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00:58:14encourage

00:58:14somebody

00:58:15out

00:58:15there

00:58:16who's

00:58:16thinking

00:58:17about

00:58:17maybe

00:58:17running

00:58:18for

00:58:18MCA

00:58:19MP

00:58:20standing

00:58:21up

00:58:22for

00:58:22political

00:58:23office

00:58:23what

00:58:24would

00:58:24you

00:58:24tell

00:58:24them

00:58:25I

00:58:25would

00:58:25like

00:58:25to

00:58:25tell

00:58:26them

00:58:26to

00:58:26go

00:58:26for

00:58:26it

00:58:27a

00:58:28lot

00:58:28of

00:58:28people

00:58:28are

00:58:29held

00:58:29back

00:58:29by

00:58:29fear

00:58:30but

00:58:31if

00:58:31you

00:58:31don't

00:58:31try

00:58:32how

00:58:32you

00:58:32know

00:58:33also

00:58:35we

00:58:36have

00:58:37a

00:58:37plan

00:58:37to

00:58:37really

00:58:38work

00:58:38together

00:58:38as

00:58:39young

00:58:39people

00:58:39in

00:58:4020

00:58:4027

00:58:41nobody

00:58:41is

00:58:41going

00:58:42to

00:58:42walk

00:58:43alone

00:58:43we

00:58:43are

00:58:44going

00:58:44to

00:58:44do

00:58:44this

00:58:44together

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00:58:47it

00:58:48wasn't

00:58:48just

00:58:48protesting

00:58:49it

00:58:50was

00:58:50a

00:58:50political

00:58:50message

00:58:51it

00:58:51was

00:58:51saying

00:58:52believe

00:58:52you

00:58:52want

00:58:52to

00:58:53change

00:58:53the

00:58:53politics

00:58:54of

00:58:54our

00:58:54country

00:58:55we

00:58:55want

00:58:55to

00:58:55do

00:58:56away

00:58:56with

00:58:56this

00:58:57politics

00:58:59of

00:58:59tribe

00:59:00politics

00:59:00of

00:59:00division

00:59:01politics

00:59:01of

00:59:02just

00:59:02empty

00:59:03rhetoric

00:59:04we

00:59:04want

00:59:05to

00:59:05move

00:59:05to

00:59:05issue

00:59:05based

00:59:06politics

00:59:07and

00:59:07we

00:59:08want

00:59:08to

00:59:08realize

00:59:08that

00:59:09in

00:59:0920

00:59:1027

00:59:10moving

00:59:11forward

00:59:11I

00:59:12also

00:59:12want

00:59:12to

00:59:12say

00:59:13that

00:59:13it

00:59:13is

00:59:13time

00:59:13that

00:59:14Kenya

00:59:14has

00:59:14new

00:59:14politics

00:59:15time

00:59:16is

00:59:16ripe

00:59:17for

00:59:18us

00:59:18to

00:59:19take

00:59:20back

00:59:20our

00:59:20country

00:59:21as

00:59:21the

00:59:21people

00:59:22of

00:59:22Kenya

00:59:22and

00:59:23advance

00:59:23the

00:59:24cause

00:59:24for

00:59:25humanity

00:59:26do

00:59:26not

00:59:27dare

00:59:27give

00:59:28up

00:59:28on

00:59:30this

00:59:30country

00:59:30do

00:59:31not

00:59:32lose

00:59:33hope

00:59:34on

00:59:35our

00:59:35struggle

00:59:37do

00:59:38not

00:59:38relent

00:59:38and

00:59:39do

00:59:40not

00:59:40surrender

00:59:40because

00:59:41I've

00:59:41noticed

00:59:42that

00:59:42there's

00:59:43a

00:59:43lot

00:59:44of

00:59:44pro

00:59:45establishment

00:59:46propaganda

00:59:47that

00:59:48is

00:59:48causing

00:59:49some

00:59:49people

00:59:49to

00:59:49be

00:59:50discouraged

00:59:51or

00:59:51disheartened

00:59:52but

00:59:53remember

00:59:53who

00:59:53you

00:59:53are

00:59:54guys

00:59:54every

00:59:55time

00:59:55you

00:59:56want

00:59:56to

00:59:56give

00:59:56up

00:59:57remember

00:59:58what

00:59:59we

01:00:00have

01:00:00been

01:00:00able

01:00:00to

01:00:01do

01:00:01remember

01:00:02what

01:00:03great

01:00:03people

01:00:04in

01:00:04our

01:00:05country

01:00:05have

01:00:06shown

01:00:06in

01:00:07moment

01:00:07of

01:00:08despair

01:00:09the

01:00:09courage

01:00:10the

01:00:12patchy

01:00:12dutism

01:00:13that

01:00:14is

01:00:14upon

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01:00:15now

01:00:15to

01:00:15carry

01:00:16don't

01:00:17give

01:00:17up

01:00:17kenna

01:00:17do

01:00:18not

01:00:18be

01:00:18afraid

01:00:19we

01:00:20must

01:00:21be

01:00:21able

01:00:21to

01:00:21defeat

01:00:22the

01:00:23enemies

01:00:24of

01:00:24the

01:00:24people

01:00:24the

01:00:25anti

01:00:25people

01:00:26and

01:00:26our

01:00:26power

01:00:27guys

01:00:29remember

01:00:30who

01:00:30you

01:00:30are

01:00:31thank

01:00:32you

01:00:32so

01:00:32much

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01:00:33quote

01:00:33you

01:00:34as

01:00:34we

01:00:34end

01:00:35and

01:00:36you

01:00:37say

01:00:37again

01:00:37when

01:00:39we

01:00:39lose

01:00:39our

01:00:40fear

01:00:40they

01:00:41lose

01:00:42their

01:00:42power

01:00:43absolutely

01:00:44so

01:00:44it's

01:00:44to

01:00:45attempt

01:00:45to

01:00:46lose

01:00:46our

01:00:47fear

01:00:47at

01:00:47every

01:00:48moment

01:00:48in

01:00:49everything

01:00:49we

01:00:49do

01:00:50yes

01:00:50in

01:00:51fact

01:00:51not

01:00:51never

01:00:52be

01:00:52afraid

01:00:52to

01:00:53fail

01:00:53yes

01:00:55thank

01:00:55you

01:00:55so

01:00:55much

01:00:56for

01:00:56tuning

01:00:57in

01:00:57to

01:00:57straight

01:00:58talk

01:00:58i'm

01:00:59your

01:00:59host

01:01:00yvonne

01:01:00join

01:01:01us

01:01:01again

01:01:07you

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