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00:00Counter-suing, claiming the Silvers have filed a frivolous lawsuit.
00:06Order, all rise.
00:15The Honest, this is case number 582 on the calendar, the matter of Silver v. Horner.
00:19Parties have been sworn in, Judge. You may be seated.
00:22Mr. and Mrs. Silver, you are suing the defendant who is a process server.
00:25It is your claim that Mr. Horner overstepped his bounds while attempting to serve a summons on, I believe it was you, Mr. Silver, is that correct?
00:33That's correct.
00:34And it is your claim that he trespassed in your home, caused you some emotional distress.
00:40Yes.
00:40Mr. Horner says he was within his rights in serving the summons the way he did.
00:45And he is counterclaiming because he says that you have no right to sue him and you're wasting his time.
00:51So I have a few brief questions.
00:53Mr. Horner, how long have you been a process server, sir?
00:56I've been a process server for over 20 years.
00:58My company...
00:59Okay, shh. Don't tell me about your company.
01:0120 years.
01:02And when were you hired to serve a summons on Mr. Silver?
01:07Sometime in the early week of August.
01:10Give me the date.
01:11I'm not exactly sure the date.
01:12I know I served him on the 15th, so it was approximately a week prior to that I was given the summons to serve him.
01:16One week prior?
01:17Yes, ma'am.
01:18Had you made any attempts to serve... Put that down.
01:20Had you made any attempts to serve him?
01:23Yes, I did.
01:24When was the first attempt?
01:25The first attempt was probably the day I got the service, and I saw that it was a secured, locked complex.
01:32So what efforts did you make to serve him?
01:33If you don't mind, I'd like to go to my steps to access.
01:36No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
01:37I don't want you to read anything.
01:39Okay.
01:39I want you to tell me what you did.
01:41What I did is I contacted the owner and management of the complex.
01:44Where Mr. Silver lives.
01:45That's correct.
01:46Go ahead.
01:47And I said that I'm a process server, and I have a summons to serve on one of their tenants, and I would like to gain access with their permission and direction.
01:55And what were you advised?
01:57I was advised that someone would meet me there to show me into the property.
02:00What was the name of the person you spoke to?
02:03I do not recall, ma'am.
02:04That's too bad for you, Mr. Horner.
02:06What was the name of the person that let you into the property?
02:09I do not recall, ma'am.
02:11It was a manager.
02:12That's also too bad for you, Mr. Horner.
02:14Someone who was in a professional capacity as you, it seemed to me, would keep very careful notes about who you spoke to, especially about getting into a locked premises, and the person who let you into that premises.
02:25However, ma'am, it's part of the guidelines of a process server to respect and keep confidential the guard for the owner.
02:32Then you don't say, I don't remember, sir.
02:34Then you say, I can't give you that information.
02:36That's a different story.
02:38Do you understand?
02:39Yes, ma'am.
02:39Good.
02:40Now, there is no privileged communication between you and the management company of a building or you and the security guard of a building.
02:47You are neither a priest nor a journalist nor a physician or anybody else, so I want you to give me the name of the person you spoke to at the complex.
02:56Ma'am, for this reason, I do not take notes, and I don't care who the person is that lets me in.
03:03And I'd like to quote a law on this subject, if you don't mind.
03:07Oh, no.
03:08Okay.
03:08Okay.
03:09Oh, no.
03:10So, what happened on the 8th of August, sir?
03:13Somebody let you in, and?
03:16On the 15th of August.
03:17Oh, no.
03:18So, you didn't go in on the 8th.
03:19No, I did not go in.
03:20So, then my question.
03:21I contacted them.
03:22I contacted them.
03:23I want you to pay attention.
03:24I speak English.
03:25My English is very clear.
03:26It's how I made a living for 35 years.
03:29I said to you, when did you make the first attempt at service?
03:34Not, Mr. Horner, when you called somebody on the phone.
03:37So, I want you to tell me, when was the first time you attempted to serve Mr. Silva?
03:43The first attempt is when I went to the property and discovered that it was locked.
03:47And that was on the 8th?
03:49That was on the 8th, correct.
03:50You discovered it was a locked premises, so you went back to your office, and then you
03:54made a phone call.
03:55I actually directed this to somebody that works for me and said, please find me, the owner
04:01manager, tell them I'd like to speak to them, and make an appointment for me to go there
04:06with their permission to gain access to the property.
04:08And when were you given access to the premises?
04:11On the 15th of August.
04:13So, the answer is, you only attempted service really one time, and that was on the 15th?
04:18That's correct.
04:20See how easy that was, Mr. Horner?
04:22Yes, ma'am.
04:23I've been cross-examining longer than you've been alive.
04:25Now, where did you first come in contact with this person?
04:31Outside the gate that allows access to the premise.
04:35And they opened the locked premises for you?
04:38That is correct.
04:39Where did you go?
04:40He let me in, and I went into the building of Mr. Silver.
04:43And what did you do once you got into the building?
04:45I went to the door, rang the doorbell.
04:48You mean to their apartment?
04:50That's correct.
04:50Who answered the door?
04:52Mr. Silver answered the door.
04:53And what did you do when Mr. Silver answered the door?
04:55I said, I'm a process server.
04:57I showed him my identification, which I have here, if you'd like to see it.
05:00No.
05:01And I said, I have some papers here for you.
05:04And he jumped back, tried to close the door, and I threw the papers inside and said, you've
05:08been served.
05:09Best of luck to you, sir.
05:10You might want to contact your attorney.
05:14So far?
05:17First, Mr. Silver.
05:18Totally false, Your Honor.
05:20We are the owners of the building.
05:22It's a condominium.
05:23We own it.
05:24The manager is not on the premises of the building at all.
05:29There's no way of contacting the manager unless you know who it is.
05:33Well, they might have been able to...
05:33I'm on the board.
05:34This is me.
05:35Mr. Silver.
05:36Who manages the building?
05:38We have a private company that does some work for us.
05:41Name of the managing company, Mr. Silver.
05:44I believe, and there's another name.
05:47Are those the people you contacted?
05:49That is correct.
05:50Fine.
05:50There's no way, Your Honor, that...
05:51Don't tell me that there's no way.
05:53That's very possible, Mr. Silver.
05:54Now, Mrs. Silver, I'm going to direct your attention to the 15th of August.
05:58Yes.
05:59And I want you to tell me what happened, to the best of your recollection, when Mr. Horner
06:03came to serve the summons.
06:05There was a knock on my door.
06:06Being that I live in a building that you have to have a key to get through three gates and
06:13a buzzer to get into the main area, I figured that it was somebody that I knew.
06:18So I walked to the door.
06:20First, I said, who is it?
06:21And I heard something that sounded similar.
06:24I'm here for George, or is George here?
06:27I just heard George.
06:28I did not hear Silver.
06:29Is that your husband's first name?
06:31My husband's first name is George.
06:32George, so I opened up the door a little bit, and the next thing I knew, in true Gestapo
06:37fashion, he shoved the door open.
06:40I was the one that was there.
06:41He shoved the door open, and he elbowed his way in, and he walked in, and he cut a turn
06:47into my living room, went through the living room, into the family room, into the bathroom,
06:52and as he was into the back going into the bedroom, my husband heard it, came out of the
06:58bathroom, wrapped in a bright red terrycloth towel, which is not a pretty picture.
07:03He walked out, and he said, what's going on?
07:06What's going on?
07:07He was wet, and he said, Mr. Silver, or George Silver, or what?
07:10I just heard him asking his name.
07:12I was, by that time, was very, very upset.
07:15He handed him the paper.
07:16He said, this is for you.
07:17He turned around.
07:18As he walked back, I tried to question him, and I was also brusquely shoved aside, and
07:24he walked out, and even to this day, I'm not the scary type, but even to this day, when
07:30I'm alone, I don't answer the door.
07:32He doesn't look so scary to me, Mrs. Silver.
07:34Well, I didn't.
07:34It's a frightening experience.
07:35Yeah, I'm shaking now.
07:37It's a frightening experience.
07:39Judge Judy continues in a moment.
07:41It's neat service when you serve the defendant themselves.
07:46Substituted service would have meant service on Mrs. Silver.
07:49You and I understand each other, Mr. Horner?
07:51We understand.
07:52I've been around for a long time.
07:53I understand.
07:53And later today...
07:54She has undermined him.
07:56She has belittled him.
07:57She has brainwashed him.
07:58My son had to have her taken away to a mental institution for three days.
08:02I mean, she went chasing her around with knives.
08:05Real cases.
08:06Real people.
08:07Judge Judy.
08:08George and Marsha Silver claim.
08:10Process server Richard Horner used excessive force while serving a warrant.
08:15The Silver's claim, Richard strong-armed his way into their home.
08:18Now, Mr. Horner, Mrs. Silver tells a story that is slightly different from yours, sir.
08:23Your Honor, that is ridiculous, and I'd like to tell you why.
08:26Can I give you some evidence so you can see what I'm talking about?
08:29What is it?
08:30It's code sections.
08:31I'd like to call your attention to two...
08:32Don't show me code sections.
08:34I'm not interested in code sections.
08:35That's not evidence, sir.
08:36All right.
08:37You're well aware of the fact, Mr. Horner,
08:39and you were advised before you came here...
08:41Yes.
08:41...that I am not bound by any code, any local statute.
08:45You're well aware of that.
08:46I'm well aware of that.
08:46Then I want you to give me evidence, sir.
08:48Okay.
08:49I will give you evidence.
08:50You gave me a story that is totally dissimilar from that of Mrs. Silva.
08:54Okay.
08:55Let me give you my answer.
08:57My answer is very simple.
08:58There is no reason for me to do that because the law prescribes the following.
09:03A, a registered process server, which I have been for several decades, and I'm not only...
09:08I understand, sir, Mr. Horner, if what you're going to tell me is that you can serve on
09:11someone of reasonable age within your suitable discretion at the home and consider the proper
09:16service.
09:17The only problem is, sir, it removes one step from the personal service.
09:21Okay.
09:21Do you understand?
09:22Yes.
09:22You and I understand each other, Mr. Horner?
09:24We understand.
09:24I've been around for a long time.
09:25I understand.
09:26It's neat service, neat service when you serve the defendant themselves.
09:31That's correct.
09:32Is that right, Mr. Horner?
09:33However, let me show you...
09:34No, no, no.
09:34No, no.
09:35So, it's just so everybody else understands, including Byrd, who may not remember this from
09:39our old civil days.
09:40If you substitute service, and what you're talking about, Mr. Horner, is what we call in
09:46the trade substituted service.
09:47That is correct.
09:47Isn't that right, Mr. Horner?
09:48That is correct.
09:49Substituted service would have meant service on Mrs. Silva.
09:53Then you would have had to have done an affidavit, and then perhaps a hearing to determine whether
09:58or not he actually got the summons.
09:59It's not neat.
10:01So, it's not the same thing.
10:02Put your hand down.
10:03Yes, ma'am.
10:03What I was going to offer to you as evidence is that I do not need to come into contact
10:09with him as long as we're within reasonable distance, both physical and speaking distance.
10:15Listen to me, sir.
10:17You have to see him.
10:18That's correct.
10:19That is correct, sir.
10:19And that's what happened.
10:20And according...
10:20Just listen to me, sir.
10:22He's lying.
10:22And according to Mrs. Silva, you did not see him until you were inside the apartment.
10:28I would never do that.
10:30I have in 23 years, Your Honor, with over 1,000 services each year, personally, I do not
10:38need to because I can make more money by hanging out and waiting for him.
10:43I don't charge a flat fee, Your Honor.
10:44Do you have a listed or an unlisted phone?
10:46It's listed, Your Honor.
10:47I want to know, Mr. Horner, why is it that you did not try to telephone Mr. and Mrs. Silva
10:53or Mr. Silva and say, I have a summons that has to be served?
10:56I never do that.
10:57Why not?
10:57Because approximately 50% of the people would avoid service.
11:01Let me ask you this question, Mr. Horner.
11:03When you were given the summons to serve Mr. Silva, the summons of necessity had to describe who he was, his age, physical condition, etc.
11:16Correct.
11:16So if you have a physical description, because usually a summons, at least if possible, contains
11:24a physical description of the person to be served, we both know that.
11:27How old are you, Mr. Silva?
11:2973, Your Honor.
11:30If you were going to serve a summons on someone who was 73 years old and, according to my eye,
11:36slightly overweight, I might say that discretion would be to pick up the telephone and say,
11:47look, Mr. Silva, I have a summons to serve on you.
11:49I see that you're 73 years old.
11:51I don't want to frighten you.
11:52I don't want to frighten your wife.
11:53I don't want to have to come at some ungodly time.
11:56That, to me, is what somebody with 20 years' experience does when they're dealing with serving
11:59somebody who is in their 70s.
12:02I beg to differ.
12:02Well, that's too bad.
12:03Judgment for the plaintiff in the amount of $1,500, I think you stepped out of bounds,
12:07Mr. Horner.
12:07That's all.
12:08Thank you, Your Honor.
12:08If I was not excused, you may step out.
12:13Approximately once a year, a wise guy decides that they can undo the process service.
12:18He got off very easily.
12:20Unravel their problems in court.
12:22First of all, it was a complete lie.
12:24When we left, he threatened me and said, you're not done with me yet.
12:27Absolutely false.
12:28It's not personal.
12:29I don't care.
12:30This guy has got to be stopped.
12:32He's a bully, and he uses Gestapo tactics, and he shouldn't be allowed to do this.
12:38And now, the next case.
12:40All parties in the matter of Tremblay versus Hoyt.
12:42Step forward, please.
12:44Telemarketer Diane Tremblay is suing her son's ex-girlfriend, 23-year-old collection agent
12:49Jamie Hoyt, for breaking an apartment lease.
12:53Jamie says Diane's son was abusive.
12:56Ms. Tremblay, Ms. Hoyt is your son's former girlfriend.
13:00Yeah.
13:00And is this the son?
13:02Yes, he is.
13:02According to what I read, you and your son and Ms. Hoyt shared an apartment together.
13:08Each of you were responsible for a third of the rent, or $600.
13:12Ms. Hoyt left one month prior to the expiration of the lease.
13:17You want her to pay her $600.
13:19Correct.
13:20And Ms. Hoyt says that your son's behavior rendered it dangerous for her to live there,
13:27so she left.
13:29That's your defense.
13:30Is that right?
13:30Correct.
13:31When did you move out?
13:33It was around the first two weeks of January.
13:36I don't know the exact date, though.
13:38Had you paid January's rent?
13:40Yes, I had.
13:40So the month that you hadn't paid was February?
13:43Correct.
13:44Is it correct that she left within the first two weeks of January?
13:47Yes, but her belongings were there until the end of the month.
13:51I don't care.
13:51But she had paid the rent?
13:52Yes, she did.
13:53Tell me what happened.
13:54What caused you to leave?
13:56It was a few things, actually.
13:59Eric and I fought a lot, and when we would fight, we could go 12 rounds most of the time.
14:06You mean physically or verbally?
14:07We would just scream at each other.
14:09And the fact that Diane also lived there, she would take her son's side, so it's not like I was just fighting him.
14:16I was fighting her as well.
14:18And I just got to the point where I just couldn't fight anymore.
14:21I would come home, and sometimes we would fight all night long, and neighbors would hear us fighting and ask us what was going on the next day.
14:28It got to be embarrassing to leave my house sometimes.
14:31The fact that Diane drinks the way that she does also made it hard to live there because I have alcoholics in my family, and I know what it's like to live with one.
14:41And that's pretty much it.
14:42You knew that when you moved in.
14:44Yes.
14:44So that's not anything new.
14:46So there was no real precipitating factor that caused you to leave.
14:49Well, the day that I left, we, Eric and I, were in our fighting match as usual, and we were in the closet, and...
14:56Why were you in a closet?
14:57Because I was packing my things, and we had gotten to the fight, and we had a small, I guess it's like a square, laundry basket.
15:06And I don't know if it was on purpose or if it wasn't on purpose, but it was dropped on my head by Eric when we were fighting.
15:17And I just left my stuff there, and I left.
15:21Oh, Your Honor, this has been going on for three solid years with Jamie and Eric.
15:26She moved in.
15:27She was a complete stranger, and we took her in because she had...
15:30Her mother had kicked her out of her house.
15:31And we took her in, and she paid no rent whatsoever.
15:34Then we moved, and she signed a year lease and stayed for nine months.
15:40She left.
15:41They were quarreling.
15:42She usually started the fights.
15:45She would attack him.
15:46She would bite him.
15:47He had physical bruises all over his body where she attacked him several times.
15:52Eric never did anything but to try to defend himself.
15:55And then after that, she moved back in again.
15:59She stayed for almost a year, paid nothing.
16:01And they fought on and off.
16:03But it was a continual thing.
16:04Well, why did you permit that?
16:06Ms. Tremblay, I actually stayed out of their fighting.
16:09I actually...
16:10She says that I interfered.
16:11Why did you permit her to move in?
16:13Eric let her come back in.
16:15Jamie does what she wants.
16:16Just a minute.
16:17How old is he?
16:17She walks out.
16:19She comes in her window.
16:20How old is he?
16:22He's 22 years old.
16:23But when she wants to come in, she'll climb in her window.
16:26You know.
16:26Ms. Tremblay.
16:27She comes in any time she wants.
16:28Ms. Tremblay.
16:30Hmm.
16:31My son had to have her taken away to a mental institution for three days.
16:34I mean, she went chasing around with knives.
16:36Ms. Tremblay.
16:37Knives.
16:38And she was put away.
16:39I've moved out.
16:40During all these, you know, years.
16:42I mean, it's been horrible.
16:44And she has been the one that...
16:46She has undermined him.
16:48She has belittled him.
16:49She has brainwashed him.
16:50Are you finished?
16:52Are you finished?
16:53Are you still living in the same apartment that you were living in when she moved out?
16:57Yes.
16:57My son and I are.
16:59You don't have a third roommate, do you?
17:00We do right now because we need help with the rent.
17:04Because Eric was laid off.
17:05He's entering the military very soon.
17:08Well, they'd take him tomorrow if they're going to take him.
17:10He's all signed up.
17:12So what's the holdup, Eric?
17:13He had to lose a few pounds.
17:15No, I'm actually enlisted now.
17:17I'm in the debt program.
17:18The actual MOS that I'm...
17:20Sorry.
17:21The actual MOS...
17:22When was the last time you worked full-time?
17:24Back in October.
17:26It's been a couple months.
17:28No, a couple is two.
17:29He's had a hard time finding work.
17:32Well...
17:32Listen, it was not a good arrangement.
17:34You weren't happy with the arrangements.
17:36He wasn't happy with the arrangements.
17:37And she wasn't happy with the arrangement.
17:39Before it became just a verbal confrontation between your son and the defendant, she left.
17:45Very smart.
17:47Deal with it.
17:47Your case is dismissed.
17:49Parties are excused.
17:50You may step out.
17:51I never climbed in and out of windows.
17:54Climbing in and out of the windows?
17:55Yeah.
17:55She's done it whenever she's felt like it.
17:56When she's moved out and she wanted to come back in for something, some reason or other,
18:01it's all true.
18:02When you're in love, you know, you do whatever love tells you to do.
18:06She lies continually.
18:07She has stolen from us.
18:08His mom doesn't like me for no apparent reason.
18:11This is just going to be something that's going to be ongoing between them for the rest
18:14of our lives.
18:14At least just be friendly with each other.
18:16I see us having a good future together, just one without my mother.
18:19No need for name-calling anymore and screaming matches.
18:23He's been brainwashed.
18:24The best that you're in love, is suing his neighbor, electrician Caesar Vargas, for shooting
18:34his Rottweiler named Bones.
18:36Caesar says Bones was in his front yard threatening his daughter.
18:40Order. All rise.
18:50Justice case number 192 on the calendar,
18:52the matter of White v. Vargas.
18:54President, sworn in, Judge, you may be seated.
18:56Ladies have seats.
18:57Mr. White, according to your complaint, sir,
18:59the defendant is a neighbor of yours.
19:01Yes.
19:02And he shot your dog.
19:04Yes, he did.
19:06Shh.
19:08The dog survived.
19:10Uh, yes.
19:10I still have the dog, but I still have the dog.
19:12Another blinding white.
19:16We're satellites revolving.
19:20Close but far apart.
19:24A billion glowing pixels.
19:27Trying to touch a heart.
19:32I see a photo.
19:35Framed in perfect hue.
19:37A filtered smile.
19:42A life that can't be true.
19:47We built this network.
19:49A maze of fiberglass.
19:53Now the silence screams as the connections quickly pass.
20:00Welcome to the digital desert, where the air is thin and cold.
20:08A million voices buzzing, but no story to be told.
20:16We stand on solid ground, but our feet begin to sink.
20:25We've traded real emotions for a temporary relink.
20:31This synthetic sun is setting on a generation lost.
20:41In this climax, we're counting up the cost.
20:49We're counting up the cost.
20:50You sent a hundred emojis
20:58With a tear and a laugh
21:02But I can't tell your feelings
21:06Reading the telegraph
21:09We measure worth by metrics
21:14By a number
21:16Some little five-year-old might be afraid of a 150-pound Rottweiler
21:21That comes walking up to them
21:23Even if it's the friendliest dog in town
21:25So that being the case
21:28Let me get to Mr. Vargas over here
21:30Mr. Vargas, I gather that initially you denied that you shot the dog
21:34But then you said to him, yeah, I shot your dog
21:35Your dog was in my front yard
21:37And my child was out there
21:38Was your child outside?
21:40Yes, she was
21:40How old is your child?
21:42She's 13
21:42This your child?
21:43Yes
21:44You have a picture of the dog?
21:45Yes, I do
21:46Sure, let me see it
21:48Looks like an absolutely lovely, lovely dog
22:02For you to keep in your house
22:05Under your control
22:06Not to think it's just such a wonderful dog
22:08Everybody's going to love it
22:10Well, I don't feel that way
22:11I know the dog looks like it could be, you know, very dangerous
22:14But he's not by any means
22:15As a matter of fact, my neighbors all know the dog very well
22:18Because, like I said, the dog's kind of a
22:19He's been raised around humans
22:21He's never been with other dogs
22:22He thinks he's human himself
22:23Everybody comes over
22:25You know, he meets him at the front door to be petted
22:26He's a loving dog
22:27All the neighbors love him, of course
22:29Like I said, he's never had any incident before
22:31Where he's caused any damage to anyone
22:32Or even threatened anyone
22:33Listen
22:34Mr. White, this dog is doing what this dog has been trained to do
22:39Which is, he's a block dog
22:41He feels as if he has sort of control to go outside if he wants to
22:46People adore him, they may give him a treat
22:48Your neighbor adores him
22:49Which is all very nice
22:51But this is a very large animal
22:53This isn't a chihuahua that can't cause substantial damage
22:56If somebody is walking in a baby carriage
22:59And for some reason this dog gets spooked by something
23:02And even if the dog doesn't go over and try to hurt them
23:06They can start running
23:07The baby carriage can tip over
23:08The baby can become injured
23:10Through no fault of the dogs
23:12Through your fault
23:13That's your fault
23:14But isn't that the reason they have dog pounds and a dog catcher
23:17In case your dog does get out
23:18Or a dog registry for lost dogs
23:20What if you think that this dog
23:22Because you don't know the dog
23:24All you see is this huge dog
23:26On your lawn
23:27Wait a second
23:27Your daughter is screaming outside
23:29Is that what was happening?
23:31Step up
23:31Now you tell me
23:33What happened when you saw the dog?
23:35When I saw the dog
23:36It was barking at me
23:38And showing its teeth
23:39Like in an angry way
23:40Were you frightened?
23:42Yes
23:42Where were you standing?
23:44In my driveway
23:45And where was the dog?
23:46At the end of the driveway
23:47And what happened next?
23:49I called my dad's name
23:51And he had gone and get his gun
23:53And he took care of it
23:55And you shot the dog?
23:56Didn't kill it
23:57No
23:58That's what pounds are for
24:00Well like I said
24:02Go ahead
24:02I'm listening to you
24:03Say I was inside the house
24:05I was looking out our bay window
24:07And looked across the street
24:08They were outside
24:10Who's they?
24:11Caesar
24:12The kids
24:13The whole family
24:14Kids?
24:14Right
24:14Yes
24:15Didn't see the dog
24:16All I seen was
24:18Him standing at his garage
24:20Two sounds
24:21That sounded like a shotgun
24:22But it was getting close
24:23To the 4th of July
24:24So I thought maybe
24:25It was firecrackers
24:26Ran back to the back door
24:28And opened up the garage door
24:29And that's when I seen
24:30The puffs of smoke
24:31Coming from his garage
24:32But like I said
24:34I did not know
24:34At that point in time
24:35The dog had been shot
24:36Just a minute
24:37So you saw his daughter outside?
24:39Yes
24:39But the dog wasn't barking
24:40And they weren't screaming
24:41Listen
24:41How long have you been neighbors?
24:43Three years
24:44Have you ever seen
24:45The dog out before?
24:46Yes
24:46Did you ever shoot
24:48The dog before?
24:48No
24:48Did you ever say anything
24:50To him about the dog before?
24:52No
24:52But the dog has been out before
24:54Right
24:54And it's true
24:55Over the last three years
24:56You've not had a problem
24:57With him
24:57Is that right?
24:58No I haven't had a problem
24:59At all with him
25:00Except for the fact
25:01That a couple weeks
25:02Prior to this
25:03I had been riding
25:03My motocross bike
25:04In some trails
25:05There in my neighborhood
25:06While bringing the bike
25:07Back home
25:08I passed his wife
25:08On the sidewalk
25:09She was walking
25:10Down the sidewalk
25:10With a stroller
25:11And she hollered
25:13Something at me
25:13Like slow down
25:14And I went on by her
25:16And went on home
25:17With the bike
25:17And maybe 20-30 minutes later
25:20The police showed up
25:21At my house
25:21And said that they
25:22Had a report
25:22Saying that I was
25:23Riding the bike
25:24In their yard
25:24I told them at that time
25:25That I wasn't riding
25:26The bike in anybody's yard
25:27I'd taken it down
25:27To the trails and back
25:28And so
25:29Were you going too fast sir?
25:31No
25:31You don't think so?
25:32I don't believe so
25:33No
25:33It's allowed
25:34Why do you think
25:35After three years
25:36Of no problem
25:37All of a sudden
25:38You would have a problem
25:39With them?
25:40If I'm a good neighbor
25:41And if I'm driving
25:42A motorcycle
25:43And his wife is walking
25:44With a baby
25:44In a baby carriage
25:45Right
25:46First of all
25:47You don't have
25:48A Rottweiler
25:49Roaming around
25:50In a neighborhood
25:51Where there are babies
25:53In baby carriages
25:54Period
25:55Right
25:55End of discussion
25:56My dog doesn't roam
25:57In the neighborhood
25:57Yes
25:57Your dog gets out
25:58And has gotten out before
25:59He has broken out
26:00Of the fence
26:00Like all dogs
26:01Get out of their fence
26:01No no no no no no no no
26:03Sir
26:04You say that that's okay
26:05It's not okay
26:06Well I don't agree
26:07That it's okay
26:07And I do my best
26:08It's not okay
26:08I do my best
26:09To keep the dog
26:10In the fence
26:10Your best isn't good enough
26:11Like I said
26:12Your best
26:13Mr. White
26:14Isn't good enough
26:15Judge Judy continues
26:17In a moment
26:17If you're driving a motorcycle
26:20And you pass a woman
26:21And she says to you
26:22Hey slow down
26:23And what you said is
26:24You just kept on going
26:25Well yes
26:26No just a minute
26:26That's what you said
26:27Yes I did
26:28That's what I did
26:28I just kept on going
26:29That to me is rude
26:30Rude
26:31And later today
26:33I agreed to loaning the money
26:34To keep him out of jail
26:35Your Honor
26:35I worked on her computer
26:36At least four times
26:38So what
26:39You're hustling me sir
26:40Real cases
26:42Real people
26:43Judge Judy
26:44Phillip White says
26:45Neighbor Caesar Vargas
26:47Shot his Rottweiler
26:48Bones
26:48Caesar says
26:50Bones was threatening
26:51His daughter
26:52If you're going out
26:53And you have carpenters
26:54In your house
26:55That you know
26:55Are going to be
26:56Taking wood in
26:57And taking wood out
26:58And you're not going
26:58To be there all day
26:59You take your dog
27:00To a kennel
27:01And you say
27:01I want to make sure
27:02My dog doesn't get out
27:03Because it's dangerous
27:04For my dog
27:05To be out in the street
27:06To cause a car accident
27:08So I'm going to take
27:09My dog to the kennel
27:10For the day
27:11Because I'm not around
27:12To supervise
27:13This 150 pound dog
27:15That's what you do
27:16Well if the man
27:17Had shot my dog
27:18To defend his family
27:19I would have thought
27:19That was one thing
27:20That's what he says he did
27:21That's what he says he did
27:22And why then
27:22He told me that
27:23He didn't do it
27:24Why did he deny
27:24Because he didn't want
27:25To get into an argument
27:26When the police asked him
27:26Why he shot the dog
27:27He denied it to them also
27:28Why do you think
27:29He shot your dog
27:30I think he shot my dog
27:31Because he
27:32Has out of vindication
27:33Or maybe possibly
27:34Shooting the wrong dog
27:36Like I said
27:36My dog's real fat popular
27:37My dog lived on
27:38All right Mr. White
27:39You ain't going to get it sir
27:40Listen to me
27:41You know why
27:42You're not going to get it
27:42You're not going to get it
27:43For two reasons
27:44First of all
27:44If you're driving a motorcycle
27:46And you pass a woman
27:48Walking with a baby carriage
27:50And she says to you
27:51Hey slow down
27:52Right
27:53And that's your neighbor
27:54And what you said is
27:55You just kept on going
27:57Well yes
27:57No just a minute
27:58That's what you said
27:59Yes I did
27:59That's what I did
28:00I just kept on going
28:01That to me is rude
28:03Rude
28:04Because you stop the motorcycle
28:06And you say to your neighbor
28:07I'm sorry
28:08I didn't realize
28:08I was going too fast
28:10I'm sorry if I frighten you
28:11That's what you say
28:12To a neighbor
28:12You don't say
28:13Well obviously my neighbor
28:15And I aren't that close
28:16So I mean
28:17I don't care whether
28:17You're close or not
28:18My neighbor is there
28:19Tell the police
28:20What difference is it
28:21If it's your neighbor or not
28:22If a woman walking
28:23With a baby carriage
28:24Says to you
28:24That you're driving too fast
28:26Then you stop
28:26And you say I'm sorry
28:27You seem to think
28:28Everything you do is okay
28:29No
28:30Pay the vet bill
28:30It's your responsibility
28:32And go and say I'm sorry
28:33To your dog
28:33Bye bye
28:34I have no excuse
28:36You may step out
28:37I was just frightened
28:38For my child
28:39I don't believe the time
28:40That the dog was threatening anybody
28:41I grabbed my shotgun
28:42The dog avoids people
28:43He's never attacked
28:44Or done anything
28:45He's never played with children
28:46I wasn't aiming
28:46I just shot towards him
28:48I feel very unfair for the dog
28:49I just hope it doesn't happen again
28:51And none of my brothers and sisters get hurt
28:53And now the next case
28:55All parties on Cochran versus Matthews
28:58Step forward please
28:59Retired computer specialist
29:01Loretta Cochran
29:02Is suing her former friend
29:04Computer technician Chris Matthews
29:06For an unpaid loan
29:07For child support
29:08Chris says he worked off the debt
29:11Miss Cochran
29:12You claim a loan to the defendant
29:14In the amount of $5,000
29:16You claim that you have given him
29:18Certain credits
29:18He owes you slightly less than $5,000
29:21On the loan
29:22Mr. Matthews says that you had an agreement
29:24And the agreement was that it was
29:26A barter arrangement
29:27That you gave him $5,000
29:29And he agreed to do some work for you
29:32And half of the civilized world
29:35In exchange for the money
29:36That he needed to pay back child support
29:38Is that right sir?
29:39Yes ma'am
29:40How do you know him?
29:41I know him from the local flea market at home
29:43He ran a computer shop
29:45And you?
29:46I ran a booth there
29:48Selling beanie babies etc
29:49Tell me about this loan Miss Cochran
29:51Well Chris needed to back pay
29:54His back child support
29:55How did you find that out?
29:56Well he was talking about it at his shop
29:59Where other people were
30:00He was working on my personal computer
30:01And he was talking about
30:03How he needed to raise the money
30:04To get to pay his child support
30:05And I agreed to loaning the money
30:07To keep him out of jail
30:08When you say you agreed to loaning the money
30:10Either he asked you for the money
30:13Or you volunteered
30:14No he asked for the money
30:15What did he say?
30:16That's what I want to know
30:17Oh gee
30:18He wanted some help
30:19On paying the back child support
30:21What prompted you
30:22To give him such a large sum of money?
30:25Well he really promised to pay it back
30:27Within
30:27Tell me what he said
30:29He said that he was getting
30:31A $4,000 income tax refund
30:33And that he would be able
30:35To pay me back within 90 days
30:36So I thought for a short time
30:38Yes I can do this
30:39He was probably concerned
30:40That he was going to go to jail
30:41Unless he paid
30:42Yes
30:43Did he say that to you?
30:44Oh yes
30:45Well I want you to tell me
30:46What he said Miss Cochran
30:47Well he said he was going to
30:48Have to go to jail
30:49If he didn't raise the money
30:50By February the 6th
30:52He had to go to court
30:53And so we went to the bank
30:55On January the 27th I think
30:58And got the money
30:59And gave him a cashier's check
31:00So he could pay the bill
31:01So he said that he would pay you back
31:04When he got his income tax refund
31:06Which would have been $4,000
31:07And then make up the rest
31:09Yes
31:09Did he pay you anything?
31:10He paid me nothing
31:11When did you first ask him for the money?
31:14After he went to court
31:15And you know had some time
31:16Had passed by
31:17And I said let's talk about this
31:19And he would tell me
31:20To come over to the flea market
31:21Come over to the shop
31:22He would have some money
31:23I'd go over he wouldn't have any money
31:26Weeks and months went by
31:27He moved his business
31:29And went into business
31:30With some other guys
31:31And he paid everybody else
31:33But he won't pay me
31:33All right Mr. Matthews
31:35Now I'll hear you sir
31:36Yes ma'am
31:36I don't dispute the fact
31:38That I borrowed the money from her
31:40We had made an agreement
31:41That I would pay the money back
31:42And then business had dropped
31:44And I came back to her
31:45And I said I don't have the money
31:46I don't know when I'll have it
31:48I'll pay you
31:49She made the agreement
31:50That I could work it off
31:51On working on her computers
31:53Friends computers
31:54Tell me about that
31:55And I guess they would
31:56Reimburse her that way
31:56Tell me about that sir
31:58Tell me about this new agreement
32:00When was it
32:01Where were you
32:02When you made this new
32:03It was about March
32:03And it was at her home
32:04What were you doing at her home
32:06Working on her computer
32:07Okay
32:07Go ahead
32:08And she had said
32:09Hey you know
32:10You could do this kind of work
32:11We can knock it off the bill
32:13You know
32:13Until you can get straight
32:14And what not
32:15Yeah for a couple
32:16Shhh
32:16Go ahead
32:18And I kept doing this work
32:20And
32:20Doing what work
32:21On the computers
32:22Well how many computers
32:23Did you work on
32:23I worked on her computer
32:24Twice a day
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