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00:00Kenny Loud is suing her neighbors, Keith and Tammy Kavanis, for the return of two dirt bikes, repossession fees, and defamation of character.
00:10Order. All rise.
00:16Now this is case number 114 on the calendar, the matter of Loud versus Kavanis.
00:20You're welcome, Judge. Parties have been sworn in. You may be seated. Why don't you folks have a seat?
00:24Miss Loud, you and the defendant were neighbors. You purchased two dirt bikes at some point, and then according to your complaint, you and your husband separated.
00:32You couldn't maintain the payments on the bikes, so you sold them to your neighbors.
00:37Yes, ma'am.
00:37And they acknowledged that you did, in fact, sell them to them, and the price for the two bikes was, I believe, $1,800. Is that correct?
00:45Yes, ma'am.
00:46You made only $300 worth of payments, is that right?
00:50Yes, ma'am.
00:50Three payments of $100 each.
00:52Yes, ma'am.
00:52And your last payment was in February?
00:55Yes, ma'am.
00:56She wants the money. Do you have a defense?
00:58We attempted to make the payment, and she refused it.
01:01Show me.
01:03Here's the return. That's the receipt for the money, the certified letter, and that's where they refused it and sent it back.
01:11We called her...
01:12March 23rd. When was your payment due?
01:19On the 15th.
01:20Of what?
01:20We called her on March 15th.
01:22So she sent us a text on March 14th, and we had gone out of town and we had forgotten about it, so we called her and told her we were out of town and asked if it would be okay if we paid it on the 20th when we returned, and if not, my nephew had access to our funds, and he could bring it down to her right then, because it's only a few houses down.
01:38And she said, no, it's okay, wait when you return on the 20th.
01:42And then she went on, and then she went on and started talking about other issues.
01:45Your Honor.
01:45Go ahead.
01:46Okay, and when they were out of town, they did not call me. I called them on Sunday.
01:50Sunday what day?
01:51Sunday was March 15th, I believe.
01:53And they told me at that point that they were out of town and that their nephew could pay me the money. I had talked to their nephew during the week. He did not mention anything about the money, and neither did I, because in February...
02:03Why didn't you pick this up? Did you get this certified now?
02:06I wasn't at home. I had somebody staying with me due to the threats that he had said to me when I went to collect the money March 20th.
02:14Hold on, hold on, hold on. I don't understand this. This is addressed to you.
02:17Oh, did I?
02:18This is addressed to you.
02:21This envelope...
02:22I may have brought the wrong...
02:23And this name is addressed to you.
02:26I'm sorry, if the receipt...
02:27Don't show me the receipt. That you filled out.
02:30I brought the wrong...
02:31That you filled out, Madam. This is addressed to you.
02:34I know. I'm sorry, Your Honor. I brought the wrong envelope.
02:36Well, that's not my problem.
02:37I know. I know. I've messed up.
02:40It's very messed up. It's very messed up.
02:43The thing is, she came to our house, and she refused on the 20th when we returned, and she refused...
02:47You have no defense for not paying up for the bikes. What's your defense?
02:52The defense is that she came to our house on the 20th. When we returned, we told her we were going to pay on the 20th. She was not home.
02:57She showed up at our home, intoxicated, demanded the dirt bikes back.
03:00And we said, no, Kenny, you said that it would be okay when we returned on the 20th that we would pay you.
03:04He was there. He was a witness, and saw that she refused.
03:06I want to know today, as you stand here, what your defense is. Right now, you have the two dirt bikes.
03:12We had the cash to give to her. We've tried to get her a suitcase.
03:15Right now, you have the two dirt bikes.
03:17The deal was that I lost a job, so we did not have to pay on the 15th. The deal was that we could pay...
03:23The contract does say the 15th, but she said she would work with us.
03:26She would work with us.
03:26I want to know, you're standing here today, what is your defense for not paying her for the merchandise that you have?
03:37That she would not take the payment when we tried to take it to her.
03:39Well, what do you think she's doing here, to check out my makeup?
03:42She wanted the bikes back.
03:44She wanted the bikes back.
03:45She wanted the bikes back.
03:45Her ex-husband returned, and he wanted the bikes back.
03:48She told us, in February, he wanted the bikes back.
03:51Hey, I mean, are you just thick? Are you people just thick?
03:54We offered her the payment on the 15th.
03:57What defense do you have today for keeping the bikes and not paying for them?
04:02The fact that you were annoyed?
04:03We attempted. We had the money. We want to pay them. We want to pay them. We wanted to pay it.
04:07Oh, so you want to pay it?
04:08Yes, we wanted to make every payment on time.
04:10We wanted to make the payments early.
04:11Fine, well, you didn't make your payment on time.
04:14All right, so right now, they owe you $1,500 on the dirt.
04:18On the dirt bikes?
04:20What?
04:20On the dirt bikes, I want the return of the dirt bikes. I don't want the money. I want the dirt bikes.
04:24That's not the deal. You're getting your $1,500 back. I don't care what you want. You made the deal.
04:29Now, you have some other repossession fees. I want you to show me where you paid a bill for repossessing the dirt bikes.
04:38I have not paid anything yet.
04:39Good, and you don't get that?
04:40I have an invoice.
04:41Then you don't get it.
04:42Even with the invoice saying that, because I still have to pay it.
04:45No, I don't want it. But I'm curious. When did you hire somebody to repossess the bikes?
04:51I think it was around April 9th.
04:52Do you have that on the invoice?
04:54I don't know. I think the invoice is just dated the day that they sent it to me. June 1st is the date of it.
05:01No, not interested. Take it. Throw it in the garbage. They didn't get the property.
05:05But I still have to pay the money.
05:06That's your problem, if you're going to pay the money. And I don't think you are. So far, they owe you $1,500.
05:11Now, you want to get to the last part of your lawsuit, which is defamation of character.
05:16Yes, ma'am. I was the assistant leader in a Girl Scout troop. She was the leader.
05:20And both of our daughters were in it. And on Friday, March 20th, is when I went over there to get the dirt bikes.
05:26And then Saturday is when she sent an email to all of the parents, to the girls in the Girl Scout troop,
05:33saying that I was no longer going to be the assistant leader.
05:36Let me see.
05:36I had not resigned.
05:43I just want to see what she says in it.
05:44I have mine also, if you want to compare the two.
05:46Shh, shh, shh, shh.
05:53This is not defamation.
05:54She says, as some of you know, I am needing an assistant to help me with the troop.
06:00Kenny no longer will be the assistant, so I need help ASAP.
06:03She doesn't say anything else about you.
06:05I was forced out of the group by her.
06:08Who cares?
06:09I don't care.
06:10I talked to the...
06:11That's not defamation.
06:13Show me something that indicates that she defamed you in some way, madam.
06:18Okay, because of that email, I found out about that email, and I called corporate Girl Scouts,
06:22and then they came in, and at that point she had said, well...
06:26Don't tell me what she said.
06:27She said it to...
06:28Yeah, they owe you $1,500.
06:30Now I'm going to entertain, in 30 seconds or less, your counterclaim.
06:34She kept calling counsel over and over again.
06:36They were just...
06:37Don't tell me what they were just...
06:38And she told them that I...
06:40You can't tell me what she told them, that's hearsay.
06:41I have a letter from the counsel.
06:43I don't care if you have a letter...
06:44She told them that I stole money.
06:45Just a second.
06:46I don't care if you have a letter from counsel.
06:48I don't read letters from counsel.
06:50Letters from counsel are hearsay.
06:52You have anything that she wrote?
06:54I have the letter that she sent...
06:56To?
06:56To all the girls.
06:57Well, she sent it to counsel to send it to the girls, and saying that I told them stuff,
07:02which I didn't.
07:02And then the letter from counsel says that she had me investigated for selling money.
07:07I don't care.
07:09That's hearsay.
07:10Do you understand?
07:11That she had me investigated for selling money.
07:13That's hearsay.
07:18Real cases.
07:19Real people.
07:20Judge Judy.
07:22Kenny Loud says, neighbors Keith and Tammy Kavanis owe for the return of two dirt bikes.
07:28The defendants are counter-suing for harassment and defamation of character.
07:33This is not defamation.
07:34She's saying that I understand that Tammy Kavanis communicated with you by email or in person
07:39about a week and a half ago that I had quit the troop.
07:43That's not what she said at all in her email to the troop that you gave me.
07:46She just said I will be needing a new assistant, and Kerry will no longer be.
07:50She didn't say you quit.
07:51Show me where it says you quit.
07:54I have the resignation.
07:55I don't have it.
07:56I didn't ask you anything.
07:58Do you still have that email?
08:00Do you still have it?
08:07Kenny will no longer be the assistant leader.
08:09That's what she says.
08:10She will no longer be.
08:10She doesn't say you quit.
08:12And it's all a matter of semantics anyway.
08:13It's nonsense, ladies.
08:14You owe her $1,500 for the dirt bikes that you have.
08:18Your counterclaims dismissed.
08:19That's all.
08:19If I was excused, you may step out.
08:21He threatened to F up my truck and threatened to get somebody to kick my...
08:25and all kinds of stuff.
08:26No, actually, I never made any calls to her whatsoever.
08:29Because he's white trash, and...
08:31She texts us and texts us, and she kept coming to my house, and...
08:34That's the type of person he is.
08:35No, I...
08:35She even stole her cat.
08:37She stole her cat.
08:39Nothing happened with the cat.
08:40Of all things, she stole her cat.
08:41She sent me a text, said meow.
08:42Cat came down to my house, and I was being a smark.
08:45Sent a text message.
08:46So I had to call the cops to have my cat returned.
08:48When the cops came, they left right away because they didn't even have the cat.
08:51People...
08:51You just can't trust people.
08:52And I hope that they move out.
08:54And now, the next case.
08:56All parties in the matter, Dean versus White.
08:59Step forward.
09:0026-year-old Emily Dean is suing the mother of her late husband's son,
09:05Taishra White, for the cost of her stepson's orthodontist bills.
09:09Ms. Dean, you were married to the defendant's former boyfriend.
09:13Yes, ma'am.
09:14And your husband passed away recently.
09:17They had a child together.
09:19Yes, ma'am.
09:20The child was primarily living with you and your husband at the time of his death.
09:25Is that right?
09:26Yes, ma'am.
09:26And at the time, he was about 13?
09:28Yes, ma'am.
09:29How old is he now?
09:3013.
09:3113.
09:32This is your lawsuit.
09:33While he was living with you and your husband, you got braces for him.
09:37Yes, ma'am.
09:38Because he needed them.
09:39Yes, ma'am.
09:40And you took out a loan.
09:41Yes, ma'am.
09:42In order to do that.
09:43Your husband is no longer here.
09:45You want his mother to take over the responsibility of the rest of the loan.
09:49Yes, ma'am.
09:49And to that, his mother says she is not responsible for the loan because she never signed the loan papers.
09:56Correct.
09:57Okay.
09:57Can I see any paperwork that you have from the dentist?
10:00Yes.
10:01This is the recommendation to get the minor braces due to he had a...
10:07Just a second.
10:07Let me read.
10:08I can read it.
10:08Okay.
10:14So this was the referral that was done in May 21, 2007.
10:18Yes, ma'am.
10:19And at that time, was he, in fact, living with you or was he just living with you and your husband?
10:24Yes.
10:24Okay.
10:25How much was the total bill?
10:27The total bill was $3,000-some-odd dollars, Your Honor.
10:31Yes.
10:31If I could say something, please.
10:32Yes.
10:33About the recommendation and the dentist bills and all the records, I have never seen any of that.
10:38Doesn't make any difference.
10:39And about the...
10:40You paid.
10:42Just a second.
10:43I read your answer.
10:45You paid, according to you, what you thought you could pay, which was $800.
10:50To keep the piece, Your Honor.
10:50Just a second.
10:51I don't care whether it was to keep the piece or not.
10:53It has really nothing to do with the loan, Ms. White.
10:55It has nothing...
10:56I want you to listen to me very carefully.
10:58It has nothing to do with the loan.
11:00It has to do with your responsibility as a parent to give your child whatever necessaries your child needs.
11:07Your Honor, I understand that completely.
11:08No, you don't.
11:09I don't think you do at all.
11:11Your Honor.
11:11Just listen to me.
11:12Who are you?
11:13I'm a husband.
11:14It has nothing to do with you.
11:16Judge, listen to me.
11:17It has nothing to do with you.
11:18This is not your child.
11:20Yes, it is.
11:20It has nothing...
11:21No.
11:21It has nothing to do with you.
11:22He is my child.
11:23No?
11:23He stays with me in my house.
11:24I don't care whether he stays with you.
11:26Listen.
11:27Listen to me.
11:28It has nothing to do with you because you have, at this point, no financial responsibility with regard to the child's dental care.
11:35I do, too.
11:36He's in my house.
11:37I'm married to him.
11:38Listen, this is not a discussion that you and I are having.
11:41We don't have discussions.
11:42I'm telling you what the law is.
11:44You have no financial responsibility for the child's braces.
11:48You don't.
11:49His mother and his father have a responsibility to ensure that the child gets whatever necessaries the child needs.
11:57Now, as far as the plaintiff is concerned, I'm telling you what the law is.
12:02This has nothing to do with her obligation under the loan.
12:06She is suing you because the child who required braces, because I must assume, and if you don't think that's true, you can sue the dentist for malpractice.
12:16The child that I must assume needed braces as a necessary, just like food, clothing, shelter, medical care.
12:26That's a necessary.
12:28Put him out.
12:29Please.
12:29I just had a question.
12:33I don't answer your question.
12:34Medical care pays for them.
12:36He is on medical.
12:39You're not paying attention.
12:40You want to talk instead of listen.
12:42Just as your husband has no financial obligation to this child, absent a showing that the state is paying any money for the child, neither does the plaintiff.
12:56When she was his stepmother.
12:58Okay.
12:59She took on that responsibility because I assumed that the child's father couldn't get a loan in his name.
13:05She assumed that responsibility while she was married to your former boyfriend.
13:11She was the child's stepmother.
13:14She is no longer the child's stepmother.
13:17A situation that came very close to home because I understand that you don't think that she should have any visits with him.
13:25No, that's not true.
13:27In any event, you are responsible, Ms. White, for necessaries for your child.
13:33Yana, can I say something?
13:35Yes, now you can say something.
13:37Okay, Malik had Medi-Cal at the time.
13:39Now, when you have Medi-Cal, there are certain points that you have to, you know, come up to with your mouth for them to say that they can have them.
13:46Well, Medi-Cal denied him because he didn't have enough points.
13:49So, Medi-Cal said that, you know, he didn't need them.
13:51Let me ask you this question, ma'am.
13:53You think you're a good mother?
13:55Yes, I'm a very good mother.
13:56Well, then, I want you to think about this.
13:57Because he didn't have bad enough teeth, bad enough teeth to qualify for free braces, do you think that that means that the child didn't benefit from having braces?
14:09That requires a yes or a no.
14:12No, but, I mean, could you let me talk a little bit?
14:14No, I want you to, you think that these people put braces on your child because you didn't need them?
14:18That's not what I'm saying, Your Honor.
14:19Then I want you to tell me what you're saying.
14:22Do you think that his father and his stepmother obligated themselves financially because they paid for a substantial part of this loan back?
14:30I wasn't involved.
14:30I'm speaking.
14:32Because they wanted to torture him?
14:34No, Your Honor.
14:35Do you think that they put on the braces because a doctor, a private doctor, said that your son could benefit, his whole mouth could benefit from having braces?
14:44Yes, Your Honor.
14:45Yes.
14:45Your Honor, please let me say something, please.
14:48I'm begging you.
14:48Go ahead.
14:49The thing is that I wasn't involved in the process at all.
14:53When they told me about the loan and everything, they had already did everything.
14:57Fine.
14:57It has nothing to do with the loan.
14:59I could have went and got a second opinion.
15:00Excuse me, Your Honor.
15:00Put your hand down.
15:01No.
15:02I could have went and got a second opinion.
15:03We could have went somewhere else to try to get something that we both can afford.
15:06I have three other children.
15:08I wasn't involved in anything.
15:09It was all about a control issue.
15:10Oh, we're doing this.
15:11We're doing this.
15:11Here, you pay this.
15:14Involve me in something.
15:15And she wants me to pay all of it.
15:17Listen to me carefully.
15:18She wouldn't have come here if the child's father was still alive.
15:22No, she wouldn't have.
15:22No, Judge, listen to me.
15:23She wouldn't have come here if your child's father was still alive.
15:28If she came here, I would have said, listen, he's a parent, just like she is.
15:32You obligated yourself to pay for this.
15:34Child's father, he pays for it.
15:36But she has no responsibility to pay for the necessaries for your child.
15:43She's been paying for it all this time.
15:45It has nothing to do with the loan.
15:47You're not understanding me.
15:49Your head is fixed in the loan.
15:51It has nothing to do with the loan.
15:52Okay.
15:53I'm trying to get it through to you.
15:55You don't understand.
15:56These braces are necessaries, just like you give your child breakfast, lunch, and dinner.
16:01And as the parent that's left, you are responsible in the law for all the necessaries of this child.
16:10All of them.
16:11She's not responsible anymore for anything with regard to this child.
16:16You are responsible for everything.
16:19Having nothing to do with the loan.
16:21The only reason she had the loan is because of her husband.
16:24Listen, you are responsible for your child's medical and dental care.
16:29And there's an outstanding balance now of $1,127.
16:33That's your responsibility.
16:35And if your husband...
16:36All of it?
16:36All of it.
16:37All of it.
16:38So she doesn't receive responsibility and paying half of it?
16:41She's not her...
16:42No, it's not her child.
16:43It's your child.
16:45It's your child.
16:46So she can go out and get a car, and he totaled it, and, oh, here, you pay it because this is your child.
16:51Without consulting me at all.
16:52No, a car is not a necessary.
16:54If your child, however, needed an emergency appendectomy, and they took the child to the hospital,
17:01and there was a $20,000 medical bill, and the child's father died,
17:06you would be responsible for the entire $20,000 medical bill because you are his mother,
17:12and you are the only surviving parent.
17:14And whether they consulted you and you could have gotten the appendectomy cheaper or not,
17:18it doesn't make any difference.
17:20It's your responsibility.
17:21You are his mother, not hers.
17:25So...
17:25It would have been his father's if he was alive, but he's gone.
17:30Wow.
17:31That's the law.
17:31Judgment for the plaintiff in the amount of $11.27.
17:34Thank you, Your Honor.
17:34Parties are excused.
17:36You may...
17:37You may...
17:38Do not Ooo...
17:42Don't talk to me about it.
17:43Thank you so much for being safe.
17:46I'm glad we're making the app.
17:47I've worked out for this shit.
17:48I'm glad we've got to be safe.
17:49I think you are my friend, okay?
17:50You are not willing to like this shit?
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17:53Yeah, I'm ashamed of that.
17:54We'll let you move on back.
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19:34No, it's not her child.
19:37It's your child.
19:39It's your child.
19:40She can go out and get a car and he totaled it and, oh, here, you pay it because this is your child without consulting me at all.
19:46No, car is not a necessary.
19:48If your child, however, needed an emergency appendectomy and they took the child to the hospital and there was a $20,000 medical bill and the child's father died, you would be responsible for the entire $20,000 medical bill because you are his mother and you are the only surviving parent.
20:07And whether they consulted you and you could have gotten the appendectomy cheaper or not, it doesn't make any difference.
20:13It's your responsibility.
20:15You are his mother, not hers.
20:18It would have been his father's if he was alive, but he's gone.
20:23Wow.
20:24That's the law.
20:25Judgment for the plaintiff in the amount of $1,127.
20:27Thank you, Your Honor.
20:29Parties are excused.
20:30You may...
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