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Seth and Sean assess how CJ Stroud's pick six thrown vs the Patriots on Sunday stacks up against the all-time soul crushing plays in Texans history. This segment is not for the faint of heart.
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00:00On first half, C.J. grabs the snap, boots out to the left, but his man falls down, the ball is up for grabs, and it's picked off at the 20.
00:07Right side, Jones, 5, and Jones to the pylon. Jones is in, pick 6.
00:14That was a lollipop throw as C.J. could not get to his intended target.
00:19He slipped, and the ball ends up high in the air.
00:23Jones picks it off and takes it to the house, and the Patriots are back in front.
00:26Soul-crushing plays. Soul-crushing plays.
00:30That is, that might be at the top of the list for me, and then we're going to put it through a test right here as to whether it belongs at the top of the list.
00:38I know, Seth, that that didn't close out the game, that it only made it 14-10.
00:43Texans had plenty of chances to bounce back from that play, but especially when it gets exacerbated by two more interceptions to bring it to four on the day.
00:56That one for me, man, I'm having a hard time still processing that pick 6 by C.J. Stratton.
01:04You know, C.J. didn't name that play specifically when he talks in his press conference the other day.
01:11Sometimes it's just muscle memory takes over.
01:13It's not bad decisions necessarily.
01:14It's muscle memory.
01:15Yeah.
01:16So, like, yeah, there's no time to make a decision per se in that moment.
01:19Yeah.
01:20It's a bad QB decision.
01:22It's a bad decision.
01:22Yeah, your muscle memory, ideally with quarterbacks, you are, I know we love to make it look like guys are playing chess when they're up there,
01:30but a lot of the really good decisions just come down to muscle memory and stuff that they're not thinking about.
01:35They just see it.
01:36They know it.
01:36They do it.
01:37Yeah.
01:38He did not see it, know, or do the proper thing in that situation, so it's a bad decision.
01:42He did not.
01:42So, I started thinking yesterday, maybe the day before, I jotted down a list of, like, okay, what are the other plays in Texans history that have made me feel similar to this in retrospect?
01:54Yes.
01:55And I texted Mark Vandermeer, who to me is the ultimate Texans historian.
02:00I sent my list to him in part to have him take a look at it, but also in part to say, hey, do you happen to have the audio for these?
02:07You can email to me, and he chimed in, and I'm going to play his first because chronologically, it's the furthest one back.
02:17Vandy told me that there is no more soul-crushing play for him than Vince Young in overtime in December at NRG Stadium in Vince's rookie year.
02:28We all remember the Vince versus Reggie versus Mario stuff back in the day, that this play was it for Mark Vandermeer.
02:37Third down and 14, Young in the shotgun, gets the snap, he scrambles forward, escapes, 35, 30, Young at the 25, 20, 15, 10, 5, touchdown, Vince Young!
02:52The smile runs it in, 39 yards.
02:57Stop the Vince sanity!
02:58Great call.
02:59Oh.
03:00Just a great call.
03:01No, and you're right.
03:02It's everything leading up to that, Vince Young being the national championship quarterback for the University of Texas, a local kid.
03:08The Texans draft Mario Williams in 2006 instead of Vince Young, instead of Reggie Bush.
03:13Mario Williams did not get off to a great start.
03:16He was dealing with plantar fasciitis the entire season.
03:18Yeah, you were on the team that season.
03:20Yeah, yeah.
03:20And meanwhile, Vince Young was having a very promising rookie season.
03:25It couldn't be any lower in terms of where you felt the decision-making in the team was going than at that point.
03:32Then Bud Adams, Bud Adams being able to flip you off.
03:35He got over on you, yeah.
03:36Literally flip you off over the whole scenario and the whole ordeal, yeah.
03:41The thing about that cut to me was the crowd.
03:43That crowd was so loud, and it was still loud when Vince scored, and I think that says something.
03:48I think there were a lot of Vince.
03:49Oh, a lot of people just wearing a lot of dual.
03:52I think there were a lot of Vince Young fans in the building that day.
03:54Yeah, yeah.
03:55I think that's what it sounded like to me, at least.
03:56You were there.
03:57I just, I wasn't there.
03:58I don't remember where I was.
03:59I think I watched that one.
04:00I was recovering from a tournament.
04:01Oh, that's right.
04:02Yeah, that's right.
04:02Yeah, you had gotten hurt.
04:04Not more soul-crushing.
04:05I had gotten hurt, and I despised the defensive coordinator, so I was not around the building a lot like Tank Dell.
04:10I was like, screw this guy.
04:11You weren't there in your hoodie standing next to Gary Kubiak while he was giving victory speeches?
04:15No, no, no, no.
04:16Not more soul-crushing for me, though, only because I wasn't here.
04:19I didn't move back here until 2007.
04:210-2 to 0-6.
04:22Your time with the Texans, Seth, is kind of a blind spot for me because I wasn't here for it.
04:27I was here for this one, though.
04:30The Rosencrantz.
04:3137.
04:32Yeah, just to set the stage.
04:33Sorry, Ben.
04:34This is in October of 2008, game against the Colts.
04:37The Texans have a three-touchdown lead in the fourth quarter.
04:39They have a three-touchdown lead with, like, six minutes to go in the game against the Colts.
04:46And all Sage Rosenfels has to do is just hang on to the football, and they're burning clock and probably winning the game.
04:53And this happened.
04:53Third and seven at the Colts' 39-yard line.
04:56Dreesen in motion to the left.
04:57Eye formation behind Rosenfels, who bootlegs out to the left side.
05:01And he's got a lot of room.
05:02Flag down.
05:03Rosenfels across the 35.
05:05He's helicoptered.
05:06He fumbles the football.
05:07It's picked up.
05:08Take it across the 40, 45, 50.
05:10Right sideline.
05:11Bracket still going.
05:1230, 25, 20, 15, 10, 5.
05:15Touchdown, Colts.
05:16A disaster for the Texans.
05:19All right.
05:20It was a 27-17 lead at that point.
05:22Right, but they had led.
05:23Oh, at that way, yeah, there had been a point there, yeah.
05:26Yeah, the Colts were on a comeback at that point.
05:28Yeah, yeah, and it was, so it was, and so at the time it's 27-17, and there's under four
05:34minutes left, and this is a key thing.
05:36It was second and nine.
05:37Yeah.
05:38It wasn't a gotta have it moment or anything.
05:41It was a don't, don't, you're not going to, and you're also not going to win, you're not
05:44going to win the game in that moment either with getting a first down or whatever.
05:48It would help, but it was a, it was a really, really bad decision, yeah.
05:52The soul-crushing part of that one would be that this was at a stage in the franchise's
05:56history, where the Colts were still dominating the Texans, you know, and the Texans had won
06:02maybe one or two games against the Colts at that point.
06:04You know, I forgot, though, too, that after that, it was, okay, the Colts score a touchdown.
06:11So, 27-24, then the Texans fumble again on the next drive, and that's what ended up
06:19putting it all.
06:20It was Sage, I think, fumbling it again, if I'm not mistaken.
06:23Yeah, and then an interception to end the game when you're trying to make the final
06:27comeback.
06:28It's a bad five minutes for Sage Rosen.
06:29That was a really bad stretch of football, man.
06:32Yep, yep.
06:33I want to do one from the playoffs here.
06:35I want to make sure we get the playoff ones in.
06:37This was the 2011 play, and by the way, the Rosencopter, to me, the Stroud pick six because
06:43of the stakes, still more soul-crushing.
06:45But we're talking about blowing a chance to get to a Super Bowl here versus a week five
06:50Indianapolis game.
06:51That's just my emotions on it, the Rosencopter.
06:55The Rosencopter also, part of it is it's just a hell of a nickname.
06:59I don't know if it would have lived on in infamy if it weren't for the hilarity of it all.
07:03Remember, this is your backup quarterback.
07:05It's in the visual.
07:06I was just looking at a photo of it.
07:08He is, he's like eight feet in the air.
07:11Yeah.
07:11I don't know.
07:11And Mark Vandermeer on the call said Sage helicoptered.
07:16He actually used the word helicopter.
07:18And becoming named Rosencopter.
07:22And I swear, I don't know how it's, the fact that visually it looked impossible what had
07:28happened there.
07:29It was so visually stunning that it just made it, and the nickname is so awesome.
07:35Rosencopter, yeah.
07:36Yeah, you'll never forget it.
07:37All right, this one, this was one that hurt.
07:40This was the Texans' first season in the playoffs.
07:42They were in the divisional round.
07:44And they're playing the Ravens in Baltimore.
07:47T.J. Yates is the quarterback.
07:49And this is early and stand up early in the game.
07:52The Ravens punt, and R.I.P., man, Jacoby Jones, God bless him, this happened.
07:58High punt, it sails towards the left.
08:00It'll take a bounce at the 20, and a misplay by Jones.
08:04He tried to catch it.
08:06It's recovered by Baltimore.
08:08Inside the five, Jacoby Jones with a poor decision there as Jimmy Smith comes back to
08:16get it.
08:16All right, we're good.
08:17Yeah, and that set up the Ravens with a room service touchdown, right?
08:20Yeah, and then I guess the fallout from this, and with a few of these, it's a fallout afterwards,
08:25long-term, that makes it that much more painful, is that Jacoby goes on to be a Super Bowl hero
08:30for the Baltimore Ravens.
08:32Yeah.
08:32It's that whole dynamic of, man, oh boy, if we could have just gotten the best out of
08:37Jacoby Jones, but I guess it's just not meant to be.
08:39Who could get the best out of Jacoby?
08:41Oh, the team in which just benefited from that Jacoby Jones era.
08:46He's on Dancing with the Stars a year later, man.
08:48Yeah.
08:49It was crazy.
08:50He was on late-night television asking about a polar bear pooping in the snow.
08:54Oh, yeah.
08:54Yep, yep, yep.
08:55All right, there's people texting in.
08:57Why are you doing this, Sean?
08:59This week isn't tough enough.
09:00Because we need to, this is us flushing it out.
09:03We need you to toughen up, too.
09:04This is us.
09:05We need to build some calluses.
09:05Yes, this is us going through the exercise of flushing it out.
09:08This is the equivalent of, I have a sty on my eye right now.
09:11This is the equivalent of a hot compress and antibiotic ointment all over this CJ Stroud
09:16pick six.
09:17We're flushing it out right now.
09:19Yeah.
09:20It's pretty gross.
09:21You know what Brandi does when she has a sty?
09:22What's that?
09:22I don't want to even say it.
09:24Don't say pop it.
09:25Yeah, with a needle.
09:27No.
09:27No.
09:28I don't know how or why.
09:31I would suggest that nobody out there do it, but I don't know.
09:34Does she light the tip of the needle to sterilize it first?
09:37I don't know what she does.
09:38I don't look or ask questions.
09:39Oh, my God.
09:40I don't approve of it, but yeah.
09:43She's hardcore.
09:44All right, a couple more.
09:45And stick with us here.
09:46This list makes me hate this franchise.
09:48No, that's not what I'm trying to do.
09:50We're trying to flush out the pick six.
09:52We're trying to puncture the sty in our eye.
09:55That's right.
09:55That's right.
09:57And I've got so many more that we may need to rapid fire these.
10:00Richard Sherman's pick six to beat the Texans in week four of the horrible 2013 season.
10:08Schaub takes the give.
10:09Throws it backside right.
10:10And it's picked up by Sherman across the 50.
10:13No way.
10:1440, 30, 20, 10, 5.
10:17Touchdown, Seattle.
10:19It happens again.
10:21A pick six.
10:22Okay, that's no way.
10:24Pardon me.
10:25I'm playing part of these so all of you can realize how awesome a play-by-play guy Mark
10:29Vandermeer is.
10:29Oh, my gosh.
10:30I can't even remember.
10:31What a call.
10:32Sean, that season, if anybody can relive all of those pick sixes.
10:35I can remember one time I was doing the pregame show, and then I had to get over to KHOU
10:40because it was the San Francisco game, I think, right?
10:42It was a night game.
10:43Yeah.
10:43So I had to get over to KHOU back when it was still on Allen Parkway.
10:46And I remember I'm just, I'm listening in my radio.
10:49Yeah.
10:50And I pull into KHOU's parking lot there on Allen Parkway and Schaub throws a pick six.
10:55Yeah.
10:55And I bashed the dashboard of my car so hard.
10:58I was just sitting there slamming it.
11:00It was like a scene from a movie where somebody had just died.
11:02And I'm like, no.
11:03Dude, Amy and I had just, we had just landed in coming back from an OU game.
11:10Notre Dame game at Notre Dame.
11:12We had just landed, and we got in the car, and that pick six happened.
11:15I'm like, oh, my God.
11:16It got to the point with these pick sixes where you're almost hoping for it
11:20when you want the pain to be as bad as it possibly can.
11:23Yeah.
11:23And you're like, good.
11:24See?
11:24Yeah.
11:24Yep.
11:25Yep.
11:25There we go again.
11:26Yep.
11:26Yep.
11:27And that was another dumb one cut, much like a Rosencopter.
11:30This was even more egregious in that all he had to do was take a sack there.
11:33Texans had the lead.
11:34That's right.
11:35All you had to do was take a sack.
11:37Like CJ.
11:38Yeah.
11:39Why are you doing this, Sean?
11:40Because we're all going to toughen up a little bit right now, okay?
11:44Wattcat, 2015 playoffs, Kansas City.
11:48Alfred Blue runs the ball down into deep into Kansas City territory.
11:52And Bill O'Brien.
11:53Oh, it was beautiful.
11:53It was one of the best moments of Alfred Blue's career.
11:55It was.
11:56It was.
11:57The bad part.
11:57He juked himself out on that run, didn't he?
11:58That part was everybody catching up to him and then surrounding him.
12:02Yeah.
12:02Yeah.
12:02Like the 15-yard line.
12:04He, like, tried to juke somebody for no reason at all.
12:06Yeah.
12:06He was in the clear.
12:07But he could have just kept running.
12:08Yeah.
12:08He was in the clear and everybody surrounded him.
12:10So, the very next play, Bill O'Brien decided to trot out Vince Wilfork at fullback and J.J.
12:18Watt, whose groin muscles were on a string at that point.
12:21We find out later that, yeah, he was playing without a full anatomy.
12:26Yes.
12:26And this happened.
12:27J.J. Watt and Vince Wilfork have both checked into the game.
12:31First and goal at the two.
12:33J.J. Watt in the Wildcat formation.
12:36First and goal at the two.
12:37Here's the snap to Watt.
12:39Watt running right side, stacked up.
12:41And Watt still going.
12:42He's going to lose yardage as DeVito finally tags him down.
12:46That did not work.
12:47No, it did not work.
12:49It did not work.
12:50It did not work.
12:51He just had a running back running for 48 yards or whatever it was.
12:54It was just, now this is especially painful because twice the Texans unfurled their Tommy
13:00Togiai at fullback this year.
13:02Yeah.
13:02And it worked out once.
13:05But only because.
13:05When C.J.
13:06Improved.
13:07Only because C.J.
13:08made the best of a botched play.
13:10Yes.
13:11And then you see it again down on the goal line in the playoffs.
13:15And they take a touchdown off the board because they couldn't run it properly.
13:20And I know a lot of people are still upset about that call.
13:22I think it's because on the TV replay, it made it look, it made it look less obvious
13:27than it actually was.
13:28The problem was Togiai was still getting down into his stance when Dalton Schultz goes in
13:33motion.
13:33It was an easy call for the officials to make.
13:35It was just, it was, it was very poorly executed while you're trying to do something clever.
13:39Two more.
13:40We're going to get in here real quick.
13:412016 regular season at Denver.
13:43Brock Osweiler going back to the, to play the team that drafted him and had the only
13:49throw fumble that I've ever seen in my whole life.
13:53Osweiler in the shotgun formation.
13:56No backs.
13:56Brock with time.
13:58And the ball slipped out of his hands.
14:00Incomplete.
14:01Flag in the secondary.
14:03I think that ball slipped out of Brock's hand.
14:06The ruling on the field is a fumble recovered by the defense and dropped at this point.
14:12It is Denver's ball.
14:14And that's about as bad as it gets.
14:15Your quarterback doesn't get hit, but he fumbles the football on an errant throw attempt.
14:22The thrumble.
14:23You know what?
14:24That was relevant to what could have been a play that could have gone either way was
14:28the Daniil Hunter strip sack in the game room.
14:32Yeah.
14:32To show that he lost control of it before he started his forward arm motion.
14:36That's right.
14:36And that's, that, that, that, that's, uh, it worked out for the Texans, but still, yeah,
14:41that's when we learned like, oh yeah, just because you're pushing it forward, if you don't
14:45have control of it, all you're doing is, uh, what would have been an illegal forward, uh,
14:50fumble, like it wouldn't have counted if anybody had, if it was somebody from the Texans had
14:54recovered the forward fumble, uh, it wouldn't have counted right because it was a fumble
14:58and you guys, so it was, uh, it was Brock screwing up in multiple ways in the worst possible
15:03stop, stop, stop.
15:05We're dead already.
15:07You will, you will listen to your thrumble and you will learn your lesson.
15:11Y'all take a lesson from, uh, JV Tamales and Katie guys.
15:15I love the show and I can stomach the flushing out audio clips, but just please don't play
15:20Jack Easterby doing standup at the Apollo.
15:22We'll play that later.
15:24Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:26Last one, Bill O'Brien trying a fake punt up 10 at Kansas city as a 24, nothing lead is
15:32evaporating into dust.
15:34Here's Brian anger at the Houston 17 yard line.
15:37Weeks will snap it.
15:39Justin Reed calling signals on punt team on fourth down at four.
15:44And it's a fake Reed running to the right side and Reed's going to be short at the 34 yard
15:49line.
15:49He doesn't make it.
15:50What are you doing to that?
15:52And you could hear that crowd.
15:53It was 24, 14 Texans at that point, that crowd smelled blood.
15:58You could hear them in the background.
16:01Oh, I mean, they were into it.
16:05They knew that they were down 10 and they knew they were winning that game at that point.
16:09Had they.
16:11Yeah.
16:12One to 31 score.
16:13Scored in 51 to seven.
16:15And the rest of the way, the chiefs would run out of gunpowder.
16:19Uh, we need to remember that.
16:22They couldn't set off fireworks after the last touchdown.
16:25The Texans would score a touchdown at the end of the third quarter.
16:29That was, um, that was inspirational.
16:31Giddy up.
16:31Yeah.
16:32That was it.
16:32Yeah.
16:32It was, uh, let's see.
16:33They went, how many?
16:34One, two, three, four, five, six.
16:36The, the chiefs scored six touchdowns in a row.
16:39They scored unanswered by the four touchdowns they scored in the second quarter were a total
16:45of like 16 plays.
16:46The four drives.
16:47Like it was, it was comedically like brief.
16:52Yeah.
16:52How, how little time it took them to take a lead at halftime.
16:55At the very least, right.
16:57They didn't call a touchdown before that fake punt.
16:59Right.
16:59Or I mean, it's called to call a timeout before that fake.
17:01No, I don't think so.
17:02That was okay.
17:03I don't think so.
17:03Yeah.
17:03That would have made it feel even saving grace.
17:05That was like, like everybody's huddled together on the sideline.
17:08And you're like, Oh, I look, uh, looking over, looking over toward this chiefs to be
17:11sure they don't catch on to what's going on.
17:13Yep.
17:13Yep.
17:14Yep.
17:14Yep.
17:15Uh, Sean, some of these are literally making me LOL Rosencopter walk out.
17:19That's the point, man.
17:20That's the point.
17:21You laugh to keep from crying.
17:23All right.
17:24So we flushed it out.
17:25Pretty spectacular plays for the other team, you know, probably iconic place.
17:30Yeah.
17:31It's kind of probably like the way we talk about the revolutionary war to the compared to
17:35the way the Brits talk about the revolutionary war, which I've learned, by the way, the Brits
17:40don't think much about our revolutionary war.
17:42Oh, really?
17:43Well, they've had quite a few colonies go astray.
17:45Oh.
17:45Yeah.
17:46So I guess it turns out.
17:49Oh, yeah.
17:51Let's ask Warren Beatty about his past lovers.
17:54Yeah.
17:54All right.
17:55Whatever.
17:55Yeah.
17:55We're barely a chapter in the book, man.
17:57Yeah.
17:57Yeah.
17:57Yeah.
17:58Yeah.
17:58Yeah.
17:58Yeah.
17:58Yeah.
17:58Yeah.
17:58Yeah.
17:58Yeah.
17:58Yeah.
17:59Yeah.
17:59Yeah.
17:59Yeah.
17:59Yeah.
18:00Yeah.
18:00Yeah.
18:00Yeah.
18:01Yeah.
18:01Yeah.
18:01Yeah.
18:01Yeah.
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