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00:00I am Lisa Brogman, Kirsten Brogman is our daughter, our only daughter.
00:22On January 1, 2021, Kirsten was working at a pizzeria.
00:31I told her, "I'll pick you up tonight, just tell me what time" because she was about to close the place.
00:38She replied to me via text message, I'm going to meet up with some friends.
00:45And then I replied, take care, behave yourself, and she said, you can count on it.
00:52I woke up around midnight, checked my phone, and there were no messages from Kirsten.
01:02I sent a message, is everything alright?
01:05And she didn't answer.
01:07I called and the call went straight to voicemail.
01:14I lay in bed, but I couldn't sleep.
01:19I kept calling Kirsten every 10 minutes and received no answer.
01:29I was worried and knew something was wrong.
01:34Mother's intuition.
01:36Something bad was happening.
01:39Kirsten will be 28 years old in a few weeks.
01:48She was always very intelligent, but she was kind of lost in high school.
01:56She had some issues with Nortas, but she graduated with honors.
02:05Kirsten lived with us last year.
02:09She didn't have a car.
02:11I had to pick her up on her way to and from work.
02:15Dennis is worse than me.
02:17The Little Pepper.
02:19She had energy.
02:28Sometimes she was stubborn.
02:31And that's been the case from the beginning.
02:33Because when I went into labor,
02:37Actually, she was sitting down.
02:39She didn't want to come out, so I had to perform a cesarean section.
02:44She's not an angel, but she's our angel.
02:49My name is Rex Brogman.
02:53I am Kirsten Brogman's father.
02:57She was an ordinary American girl.
03:00Who liked to have fun.
03:04She was a very good person who enjoyed life.
03:11I used to work in the probation department in Marion County.
03:15Rex worked in the Marion County Justice Department.
03:20He later came to work on probation and we got married.
03:24while we were working in the probation department.
03:28We live in Indiana.
03:32In a suburb called Lawrence.
03:34It's a small municipal corporation.
03:39It has its problems, but the schools have a good reputation.
03:44And it's a good place.
03:46On Saturday morning, Kirsten did not arrive home.
03:54Her cell phone was turned off.
03:56I decided to call Ed.
03:58Kirsten was very discreet about her friends and who she hung out with.
04:04And we didn't know any other friends of hers.
04:08Only Ed.
04:09I'm Ed, Kirsten Brogman's ex-boyfriend.
04:14And I was with her the night she disappeared.
04:21We dated on and off for about 10 years.
04:24We weren't together anymore, we were just friends.
04:26But even so, we still used to go out together once a week.
04:31That night, Kirsten called me and said
04:33Hi, it's New Year's Eve.
04:34Shall we go out and do something?
04:36I left work around 10 PM, 10:30 PM.
04:40My plan, actually, was to meet Kirsten and some friends at a bar.
04:48I texted Ed, asking if he knew where Kirsten was.
04:52And I replied no.
04:54I was hoping she would be home.
04:57And her mother said she wasn't there.
05:00He replied, saying that he had been with her the previous night, with some friends, at a bar.
05:10And that she had left.
05:13And he didn't know where to go.
05:21I told him I couldn't reach her on the phone.
05:26And that I was getting scared.
05:28I didn't quite understand.
05:30what was happening.
05:32But I imagined that perhaps
05:33They two had argued.
05:36Then Kirsten went to one side.
05:38And they went to the other one.
05:41But I didn't understand.
05:42because Kirsten hadn't spoken to us.
05:44to go get her.
05:45Or even because
05:46Ed didn't call us.
05:49I immediately went outside and started retracing the path I thought she might have taken.
06:03Everywhere, from the most isolated areas
06:06...even some rather strange alleyways.
06:09And I asked everyone if anyone had seen her, seen anything, heard anything.
06:15Almost an hour later, around 11:40 in the morning, he replied saying that he had looked for her and hadn't found her.
06:27At that moment, I felt nauseous.
06:33Something bad had happened.
06:37My wife said Kirsten still hasn't returned, and I have a bad feeling about it.
06:42I said, maybe she turned off her cell phone.
06:45Maybe I left my cell phone somewhere else.
06:48Maybe the battery has died.
06:49Just wait a little longer.
06:52I met Kirsten in high school.
06:55We used to work on some subjects together.
06:58She was a freshman and I was a senior at Lawrence Central High School.
07:01We hung out with the same people.
07:04Me and Kirsten still
07:05We interacted.
07:08We kept that up, but we just remained friends.
07:10Ed is very charming.
07:14He is a person with many goals.
07:21Kirsten wanted to see him achieve those goals, and they had fun together.
07:30Ed was very protective of her and he tried to help her in any way he could.
07:35I would say that Kirsten was, well, in short, unpredictable.
07:39Kirsten is Kirsten.
07:41She does whatever she wants to do.
07:44Kirsten was a very affectionate little girl.
07:51She did well in elementary school.
07:53But when she entered high school, there was a noticeable difference in her behavior and emotions.
08:05The way she interacted with me and her mother bothered us.
08:11And we didn't know how to deal with it.
08:14I took her to receive counseling.
08:18She started taking medication and felt a little better after that.
08:25So, the counseling helped her at that time.
08:29At around 3:15, I called the pizzeria where she worked.
08:37Because I knew she was going to work that afternoon.
08:43I spoke with an owner and manager who said that Kirsten had neither shown up nor contacted him.
08:51Kirsten rarely missed work, except for some important reason.
08:57We have a cat, Henry, because of Kirsten.
09:01He was a stray cat that hung around outside the house.
09:06And I didn't know that, for a long time, Kirsten had been bringing him inside at night.
09:13She would take him to her room and stay with him at night.
09:18And then I would let him leave in the morning before we woke up.
09:22Until we realized he was always around here.
09:26So, we brought him home and he became our cat.
09:32She loved being with animals.
09:34Her mother is like that, and I think she takes after her mother in that way.
09:38I remember going to a small farm with her, a zoo, with domesticated animals.
09:43And it was difficult to get her out of there, out of those places.
09:46She enjoyed helping animals in need.
09:50In another incident, she was driving home at night,
09:56when he almost ran over a dog.
09:58She stopped the car and, according to her, the dog ran towards her and got into the car.
10:06Well, I'm not sure about that, but she brought him home.
10:11It was a male pitbull.
10:12We had three dogs here for a while.
10:16Until we found a good home for the dog she brought.
10:21She wanted to rescue them all.
10:26OK.
10:28Kirsten had a little dog, Tifa.
10:32She is love.
10:33Kirsten loved her.
10:37Kirsten has always loved animals.
10:42That's one of the things that makes me believe she didn't disappear, didn't vanish, of her own accord.
10:51She would never abandon the dog.
10:54Lawrence Police.
10:55Hi, I want to report that my daughter has disappeared.
11:03It was about five o'clock in the morning on Sunday, January 3rd,
11:07when I called the Indianapolis Metropolitan Police to report a missing person.
11:14What is her first and last name?
11:15Her name is Kirsten and her last name is Brogman.
11:21I think calling the police and filing a police report made everything feel much more real.
11:28It was surreal to me that my wife was calling the police and reporting our daughter missing.
11:41That feeling in the pit of your stomach when you know something has happened to your daughter.
11:46but he doesn't know what it is and can't do anything about it.
11:49This feeling of helplessness made me nauseous.
11:54When was the last time you spoke to her?
11:56On Friday night, around ten o'clock.
12:00No one has spoken to her or seen her since then.
12:04She neither went to work nor made contact.
12:08The police gathered all the information and said they would assign a detective the following day, on Monday.
12:16And that wait seemed like the longest in the world.
12:21We decided to go out and find our daughter ourselves.
12:25Nothing else matters except resolving this.
12:34On Monday, January 4th, Rex and I went to the bar where she was last seen.
12:42And we looked around the region.
12:45We started walking around here, trying to find anything that might be a clue as to what happened to her.
12:57We were going to see if we could find any of her belongings, some clothes.
13:03That's the mattress I found when we were walking around here that day.
13:09I was afraid I might find something underneath it that I didn't want to see.
13:14But I went to look and...
13:17Fortunately, there was nothing underneath it.
13:19That's when something in particular caught my attention.
13:24A drainage ditch.
13:27This is a very long stretch of the drainage ditch.
13:32It was a reasonable area to cover, and at some point we separated.
13:37I was over there, on the north side.
13:39Lisa was here in the south.
13:40And we followed the course, looking down at the water.
13:46And immediately I remember thinking,
13:48Oh my God, if someone did something really bad to her,
13:53This would probably be a logical place for me to leave a body.
14:02That's basically what I did that day.
14:04He would get up and rummage through things, rummage through others.
14:08I picked up a branch and started leaning against the objects, looking at the water.
14:14There was a strange feeling.
14:16I was...
14:19Scared.
14:20I was afraid of finding something I didn't want to see.
14:24I was hoping to find something, and at the same time I didn't want to find anything.
14:29I remember a nauseating feeling.
14:31What am I going to do if I look down and...
14:34Will my daughter come?
14:38On Monday, January 4th,
14:42My wife and I spent a good amount of time searching in the drainage ditch.
14:49Our hope was to find some kind of clue as to what had happened to our daughter Kirsten.
14:56My concern is that she might have actually fallen into the ditch.
15:03Or maybe she met someone who hurt her and, I don't know, left her there.
15:09Just thinking about it made me nauseous.
15:12But we didn't find anything.
15:18He was...
15:19Frustrating and disappointing.
15:23And after looking at the drainage ditch,
15:29Rex and I were heading home.
15:31And I saw someone on a bicycle coming towards us.
15:36As the bicycle approached,
15:40I noticed it was Eddie.
15:45He said he was there looking for Kirsten.
15:50I was bored.
15:51And I wondered if Eddie had anything to do with her disappearance.
15:58I spoke with Eddie.
16:03and wanted to know more details about what had happened that night.
16:09He then told me everything.
16:12They were all at the bar.
16:14They were drinking.
16:16I believe there was a fight.
16:17and that he was getting a little agitated.
16:20They offered to take her home.
16:22But she didn't accept the ride.
16:25I'm upset that he left her there.
16:32Kirsten and Eddie,
16:33between comings and goings,
16:35They were together for almost ten years.
16:37Their relationship,
16:39I think it always has been.
16:40somewhat tumultuous.
16:43They seemed to get along well.
16:44and they did things together,
16:47But then something would happen.
16:49and one of them would explode at the other.
16:52And then they were together again.
16:56I was trying to tell them
16:57who felt their relationship was strained,
17:02But Kirsten believed that she truly loved Eddie.
17:05And she wasn't going to give him up.
17:09Kirsten's mother was more emotional than Rex.
17:12Rex was looking more serious.
17:14At that moment,
17:16I wasn't worried.
17:17What were they thinking about me?
17:20I entered a state of agitation.
17:23Type,
17:24Where's Kirsten?
17:25Let's find her.
17:27I love her very much.
17:30The only hope we had
17:32The goal was for the police to be able to resolve the issue.
17:35I am Detective Nicole Boktin
17:39from the Missing Persons Unit
17:40Indianapolis Police Department
17:41and I was assigned to investigate
17:43the Kirsten Brugman case.
17:45I felt it immediately.
17:47Something was wrong there.
17:51Her cell phone was turned off.
17:53which was a warning.
17:55But it was even worse.
17:56The fact that she didn't go to work.
17:58Upon learning that Kirsten
18:01She would never leave her little dog behind.
18:03I came to believe
18:04that she didn't leave
18:05of their own free will.
18:09I heard that Kirsten
18:10I was with four other people.
18:12that night
18:12And I managed to find out.
18:13Who were they?
18:15Kirsten and Ed
18:17and her friends
18:18They were all drinking.
18:19And she drank a little more.
18:24Kirsten had a problem.
18:26with alcohol.
18:27Both me and her father
18:29We were worried about that.
18:32We spoke to her.
18:33several times,
18:36but she spoke
18:37who didn't want to talk about it
18:39and leave.
18:40And that was frustrating.
18:42For her father and for me.
18:44She would get angry quickly.
18:46It almost exploded.
18:50It was particularly difficult for me.
18:53Because I am an alcoholic.
18:55recovering
18:56and I saw my daughter
18:58to go through the same difficulties
19:00that I went through.
19:03I was telling her,
19:04Look what alcohol did!
19:06with his father.
19:08Why do you want to run?
19:09That's a risk, you know?
19:11And to go through all of that?
19:14But her normal response
19:15He was a father,
19:16just because everyone drinks
19:17It doesn't mean they are alcoholics.
19:19and she wouldn't admit it
19:22who had some kind of problem.
19:25So, finally,
19:26We are seeking professional help.
19:28and we took her to see a doctor
19:30with the psychiatrist,
19:31which helped.
19:33But, in the end,
19:35She didn't want to go anymore.
19:36But before disappearing,
19:44she
19:44It seemed to be putting
19:46life back
19:47Back on track.
19:49We were very
19:50hopeful
19:50that things
19:51They would improve a little.
19:55I don't know
19:56because Kirsten
19:57I was drinking
19:58that night,
19:58but she got drunk
20:00And then I said
20:01We'll take you.
20:02at home,
20:03I can call
20:04A taxi for you.
20:05I can call
20:05for your mother,
20:06whatnot,
20:07what do you think?
20:08The bar was about to close.
20:09Anyway.
20:10Then,
20:11they left around
20:12at 12:15 AM.
20:15Already in the parking lot,
20:17for some reason,
20:18Kirsten
20:19He got angry.
20:20and in a moment,
20:22There was a discussion.
20:23between them.
20:24The four friends
20:25They left.
20:26leaving her
20:29in the parking lot.
20:32I imagined
20:33that she perhaps
20:33had called
20:34a taxi
20:34or connected to mom,
20:36but she never
20:37He arrived home.
20:41The first thing
20:42what I was thinking is
20:43if there were cameras
20:44in that area.
20:46I picked up the phone.
20:46And I started calling them.
20:47requesting the videos
20:48if there were.
20:51I achieved
20:52Three videos.
20:54I was very excited.
20:55to begin
20:55watch the first video,
20:57because I wanted to know
20:58what had happened
20:59with Kirsten.
21:03He showed
21:04Kirsten
21:05having a change
21:06verbal in the parking lot
21:07and the car
21:10Moving away.
21:12The video
21:13confirmed
21:14everything that the four
21:15People had told me.
21:17Then,
21:17it was determined
21:18none of them
21:19He was a suspect.
21:21Watching the video,
21:22I saw that there was no
21:23other cars
21:24in the parking lot,
21:25then,
21:26She didn't see anyone.
21:27and it didn't come out
21:28with no one from there.
21:29It only shows
21:30She's leaving.
21:36After Kirsten
21:37He left the bar,
21:38the second video
21:39sample
21:39walking down the avenue
21:40Short Ridge
21:41around
21:4212:40 AM.
21:45The latest video
21:46It's her walking
21:46through the parking lot
21:47of the Association
21:48Young Men's Christian
21:49ACM.
21:50and Kirsten
21:52It appears now.
21:54She is walking.
21:55along the sidewalk,
21:57pass by here
21:58and keeps going
22:01next to the fence
22:02this way.
22:03If you notice,
22:04It says here that it is
22:051h59.
22:06So we know
22:07that at this hour
22:08She was still alive.
22:10When Kirsten
22:11turn at that corner,
22:12this particular camera
22:13He doesn't film it.
22:14Another camera,
22:15although,
22:15film right here
22:16on that corner.
22:18She is walking.
22:18next to the fence.
22:20She picks something up.
22:21on the ground
22:22and then he keeps walking.
22:26Right here
22:26says that they are
22:272 AM.
22:29If we continue
22:30watching the video,
22:30we see that she
22:31keep walking
22:32and it continues
22:33along the fence.
22:35The problem
22:36from this video
22:36That's because he has
22:37a minor flaw.
22:40The video skips
22:41for a moment,
22:42which shows us
22:43that the camera
22:44It wasn't working.
22:46Here we see
22:47which is 2 am
22:48and now
22:49It's 2:30 AM.
22:51And she doesn't show up.
22:52over there.
22:54And it is not seen.
22:55again.
22:56That's too much.
22:57Disappointing.
22:59This leap
22:59in time
23:002 hours
23:00for 2h30
23:01It worries me.
23:02because we don't know
23:03what happened
23:04Neither there nor where she went.
23:06Nobody knew.
23:06to say why,
23:07but for some reason
23:08the camera stopped
23:09to film
23:10for half an hour.
23:11It's a flaw.
23:11very unhappy.
23:14She left
23:14from the parking lot
23:15on foot
23:15in that direction,
23:17a car passed by,
23:18she caught it
23:18and took her.
23:20I don't know.
23:23The detective
23:25Boktin
23:25He asked us
23:26to watch
23:27to the video
23:28and see
23:29if it was
23:29Kirsten.
23:31Undoubtedly
23:32It's Kirsten.
23:34The way
23:34that she walks
23:35and furthermore
23:36the backpack
23:37white
23:38that she used
23:39it was too much
23:40eye-catching.
23:42To attend
23:42that video
23:43It was very difficult.
23:46I keep imagining
23:47if it would be
23:48the last time
23:48that we were going to see her.
23:50I can only do that
23:51to think where
23:52she is,
23:53Where did she go?
23:55I am scared,
23:56I'm very scared.
23:57The region
24:12where Kirsten
24:13it disappeared,
24:14that remains
24:14on the court
24:15800
24:15from the avenue
24:16Short Ridge,
24:17It is an area
24:17with many
24:18violent crimes.
24:20In the first
24:21or second
24:21week
24:22after her
24:22disappear,
24:23There was a rape.
24:25a homicide
24:25and a homicide
24:26involving
24:27a thief
24:28good.
24:29If she
24:30were
24:30trying
24:31come home
24:32she would have
24:32gone to the other
24:33direction.
24:34But maybe
24:35she was
24:36confused
24:36and thought
24:37that was
24:37going to
24:38the building
24:38of apartments
24:39where the
24:40Ed lived
24:41with mother
24:41from him
24:41that remained
24:42a few blocks
24:43north
24:43from here.
24:44But never
24:45We'll find out.
24:48They exist
24:48three buildings
24:49different
24:50between my
24:51apartment
24:51and the YMCA.
24:53If Kirsten
24:54was coming
24:55here
24:55no
24:56would be
24:56direction
24:56Okay.
24:57But
24:57all
24:58It's possible.
25:00She could
25:00to have gotten lost.
25:04I decided
25:05go to the location
25:05where Kirsten
25:06it was filmed
25:07For the last time.
25:09This goalpost
25:10yellow
25:10that's where
25:11She arrived.
25:12After
25:13she turned
25:13to the left
25:14here
25:14and left
25:16focus
25:16from the camera
25:17just barely
25:18time.
25:19It was time
25:19enough
25:20for her
25:20to descend
25:20how far
25:21this
25:21this structure
25:22black
25:23here.
25:24Why
25:24here
25:25there is
25:26another camera.
25:28This other one
25:28camera
25:29shows the part
25:29east
25:30of a
25:30condominium
25:31of apartments.
25:34Then
25:35she returned
25:36to focus
25:37from the camera
25:37walked
25:38in this same
25:39place
25:39and continued
25:40In that direction.
25:42She continued
25:42Over there.
25:46Now
25:46she was
25:47towards
25:47south
25:47in the direction
25:48of the condominium
25:49of apartments.
25:50She turned
25:50a little
25:51here
25:51And that's it.
25:55With the jump
25:56time
25:56from the camera
25:57we don't
25:58we see
25:58if she
25:59it went out
25:59from the parking lot
26:00if a car
26:01entered
26:02in the parking lot
26:03if she
26:05entered
26:05in a car
26:05or if she
26:06simply
26:07jumped
26:08the fence.
26:09She disappeared.
26:13I saw
26:14that there was
26:14lots of movement
26:15in the buildings
26:15of apartments.
26:18Then
26:19we went to hit
26:20in some
26:20apartments.
26:21We decided
26:22form a group
26:23of the unit
26:25of missing persons
26:26and we begin
26:26hitting
26:26door
26:27at the door
26:27and speak
26:27with the residents.
26:30We take
26:30the leaflet
26:31by Kirsten
26:31and we show it
26:32to the people.
26:35Hope
26:35perhaps
26:36It's that someone
26:36had seen
26:37something.
26:39But because it is
26:40an area
26:40with many crimes
26:41someone who lived
26:42in the condominium
26:42residential
26:43I could have known
26:44of something
26:44but I was afraid
26:45to appear
26:45and count
26:46for the police
26:47what I knew.
26:50Short time
26:51after the investigation
26:52to start
26:52I have been
26:53with parents
26:53by Kirsten
26:54to update them
26:55of the activities.
26:57I sat down.
26:58in the office
26:59of the detective
26:59Bogd
27:00thinking
27:01that some
27:02bad thing
27:03had happened
27:04that had
27:05occurred
27:05a crime
27:06but
27:08we didn't have
27:09evidence.
27:10I stay
27:11even more
27:12scared
27:13according to
27:14time
27:14raisin.
27:15that
27:17There won't be
27:18an ending
27:18happy
27:19but I have
27:20very good
27:21friends
27:22and a family
27:23that always
27:23distant
27:24To have hope.
27:27Then
27:27I try
27:28I have a friend
27:29which also
27:30it works
27:30in the community
27:31police officer
27:32who managed
27:34organize
27:35a search.
27:37Node
27:38Saturday
27:39January 16
27:41around
27:42from the location
27:42where Kirsten
27:43it disappeared
27:44there was a search
27:46Rex
27:48and me
27:48We were there.
27:49he was
27:50very difficult
27:51see people
27:52leave
27:53and it was difficult
27:55see them
27:56to go back
27:56especially
27:58why
27:59in
28:00true
28:01nothing was
28:02found
28:03I
28:07I want
28:08find
28:08one
28:09response
28:09but
28:10I have
28:14fear
28:14of this
28:14response
28:15us
28:17we want
28:18one
28:18conclusion
28:18for the
28:19family
28:19all
28:20us
28:20us
28:21we import
28:21very
28:22why
28:23us
28:23we put
28:23in position
28:24from them
28:25and it is
28:25devastating
28:26when
28:27you
28:27this
28:28burning
28:28their
28:29neurons
28:29without
28:30achieve
28:30to arrive
28:30to hire
28:30none
28:31the
28:33that
28:33height
28:34to the
28:34clues
28:35they were
28:36disappearing
28:36us
28:37we did
28:37all
28:38what
28:38we could
28:39we use
28:40the unit
28:41from the
28:41cavalry
28:42and a
28:43drone
28:43to
28:44search
28:44for the
28:44Kirsten
28:45us
28:45we left
28:46and we examined
28:47the region
28:47we put
28:48the face
28:48her
28:49in the
28:49media
28:49social
28:50us
28:50newspapers
28:51us
28:52billboards
28:53with the
28:53face
28:53her
28:54in
28:54highway
28:54interstate
28:55no
28:56we have
28:57more
28:57what
28:57to do
28:58in addition
28:58of
28:58wait
28:59what
28:59somebody
28:59call
29:00to
29:00the
29:00unit
29:00and
29:01say
29:01hey
29:02I
29:02the
29:02vi
29:02here
29:03I
29:03the
29:04vi
29:04there
29:04all
29:07day
29:07as if
29:08were
29:08the
29:08last
29:09why
29:10nothing
29:11it happens
29:11with
29:11relationship
29:12the
29:12to think
29:13our
29:13daughter
29:13if
29:15there is
29:15some
29:15person
29:16what
29:16he knows
29:16of
29:16some
29:17thing
29:17Please
29:18put yourself
29:19in place
29:20of
29:21her father
29:22and of
29:23my
29:23has been
29:24suffering
29:25for us
29:26our
29:27We want to know
29:29what there was
29:30It was six.
29:43weeks
29:44provided that
29:45she
29:45it disappeared
29:46and
29:47I saw
29:49one
29:49post
29:50node
29:51Facebook
29:52of what
29:53a woman
29:54unidentified
29:55had been
29:56found
29:57the description
29:58general
29:59hit
30:00with
30:00the
30:00from the
30:00Kirsten
30:01it was
30:02same
30:02weight
30:02put
30:02return
30:03of
30:03fifty
30:04fifty
30:04and two
30:04kilograms
30:05two
30:06three
30:07centimeters
30:07of
30:08difference
30:08in
30:08height
30:09and the
30:10same
30:10color
30:10of
30:11hair
30:11as
30:12the
30:13description
30:13it was
30:14very
30:14similar
30:15with
30:15the
30:15her
30:16I
30:16I called
30:17to
30:17the
30:18detective
30:18boat
30:19and
30:20with
30:20the
30:20office
30:21of
30:21coroner
30:22to
30:22to know
30:22more
30:23on
30:24that one
30:24and the
30:25weeks
30:26what
30:26if
30:26they passed
30:27while
30:27we expected
30:28the return
30:28of
30:28office
30:29of
30:29coroner
30:30they were
30:30difficult
30:31by one
30:34side
30:34us
30:34we wanted
30:34that it was
30:35she
30:35to
30:35to arrive
30:36the
30:36one
30:36conclusion
30:37but
30:37put
30:37other
30:37side
30:38no
30:38we wanted
30:39what
30:39were
30:39she
30:40like this
30:40we would have
30:40hope
30:41of what
30:41she
30:41yet
30:42he was
30:42alive
30:42when
30:44the
30:44result
30:44of
30:44DNA
30:45it arrived
30:45he was
30:45confirmed
30:46what
30:46no
30:46it was
30:46the
30:47Kirsten
30:47then
30:48there was
30:48hope
30:48what
30:49she
30:49were
30:49alive
30:50I was left
30:52happy
30:53in
30:54but
30:55there
30:55I
30:55also
30:56I felt
30:56what
30:56We're back
30:57the
30:57stake
30:58zero
30:58in
31:02March
31:03of
31:032021
31:04I
31:05I spoke
31:06with
31:06Rex
31:07on
31:08the
31:08possibility
31:09of
31:10hire
31:10one
31:11detective
31:11particular
31:12if
31:14the
31:14people
31:14hired
31:15one
31:15would have
31:16somebody
31:16dedicated
31:17to the
31:17case
31:17her
31:18the
31:18time
31:18whole
31:19when
31:19the
31:19Lisa
31:20and the
31:20Rex
31:20me
31:20they said
31:21I
31:21I was left
31:21very
31:22happy
31:22why
31:22for
31:23me
31:23no
31:23matters
31:24who
31:24solve
31:24the
31:24case
31:25only
31:25I want
31:25what
31:25she
31:25return
31:26for
31:26home
31:26my
31:30name
31:31and
31:31Crystal
31:31and
31:32I
31:32I am
31:32detective
31:32particular
31:33the
31:39family
31:40Brogman
31:40entered
31:41contact
31:41with me
31:41in
31:42March
31:42of
31:422021
31:43to
31:44to help
31:45the
31:45Kirsten
31:45I
31:46I worked
31:46in
31:46police
31:47put
31:47return
31:48of
31:4811
31:48years
31:48my
31:50specialty
31:51they are
31:51people
31:52missing
31:53investigations
31:53and investigations
31:53criminals
31:54I
31:55with you
31:55find
31:5590%
31:56of
31:57people
31:57missing
31:58what
31:58investigate
31:59when
31:59I met
32:00Lisa
32:00and the
32:00Rex
32:01Brogman
32:01they
32:02they were
32:02clearly
32:03desperate
32:04put
32:04answers
32:05and they wanted
32:06to know
32:06what
32:07he had
32:07happened
32:08with
32:08question
32:08I passed
32:10the first
32:10days
32:11just
32:11examining
32:12the
32:12region
32:12talking
32:13with
32:13people
32:14what
32:14could
32:15me
32:15give
32:15information
32:16of
32:16what
32:16he had
32:16happened
32:17I
32:18I had
32:18what
32:19to go back
32:19and
32:19see
32:19you
32:20videos
32:20of
32:20cameras
32:21of
32:21surveillance
32:21from the
32:22night
32:22what
32:22she
32:22it disappeared
32:23the
32:26what
32:26I
32:26vi
32:26and
32:26what
32:26there is
32:27one
32:27about
32:28around
32:29of
32:29land
32:30from the
32:30ACM
32:31and
32:33he has
32:33one
32:33condominium
32:34residential
32:35south
32:35from the
32:35ACM
32:36called
32:37Abbey
32:38Meadow
32:38Apartments
32:39Next
32:44step
32:45and
32:45to understand
32:46what
32:46they exist
32:47four
32:47angles
32:48different
32:48of the
32:48videos
32:49of
32:49cameras
32:49of
32:49security
32:50I
32:50I attended
32:51the
32:51all
32:51various
32:52times
32:52and
32:53put
32:54weeks
32:55only
32:55to
32:55see
32:56if
32:56there was
32:56some
32:56evidence
32:57new
32:57what
32:57I
32:57it could
32:58discover
32:58and
32:59what
32:59no
32:59you have
33:00been
33:00view
33:00before
33:01then
33:02one
33:03thing
33:03what
33:03I
33:03I observed
33:04he was
33:05one
33:05utility
33:06and
33:07put
33:08return
33:08of
33:092h38
33:09from the
33:10morning
33:10you
33:10see
33:11to go out
33:11of
33:11condominium
33:12Abbey
33:12Meadow
33:13he
33:15go
33:15for the
33:16north
33:16from the
33:16avenue
33:17Shortridge
33:18and
33:19there
33:19close
33:20of
33:203:15 AM
33:20from the
33:21morning
33:21you
33:22see
33:22the
33:22same
33:23utility
33:23passing
33:24for the
33:25north
33:25from the
33:25avenue
33:25Shortridge
33:26then
33:29he
33:29return
33:30to
33:30avenue
33:31Shortridge
33:31the
33:32behavior
33:33that
33:34vehicle
33:34it was
33:35without
33:35doubt
33:36suspect
33:36that one
33:39height
33:40I
33:40I thought
33:41what
33:41that
33:41person
33:42could
33:42to have
33:42caught
33:43the
33:43Kirsten
33:43and
33:45some
33:45thing
33:46could
33:46to have
33:46happened
33:47us
33:48we continue
33:49the
33:49watch
33:49to
33:49to know
33:50if
33:50the
33:50vehicle
33:50he had
33:51some
33:51connection
33:52with
33:52the
33:52condominium
33:52Abbey
33:53and if
33:53that
33:54person
33:54lived
33:54there
33:54but
33:55no
33:55we saw
33:56the
33:56vehicle
33:56node
33:56condominium
33:57Abbey
33:57Meadow
33:57of
33:57new
33:58the
33:59photo
34:00of
34:00utility
34:00he was
34:01disclosed
34:01to the
34:01public
34:02in addition
34:02of the
34:03leaflets
34:03with
34:03the
34:03history
34:04from the
34:04Kirsten
34:04and
34:05we hope
34:06to receive
34:06answers
34:07when
34:10the
34:10Crystal
34:11it started
34:12the
34:12investigation
34:13she
34:14it achieved
34:15to obtain
34:15some
34:16two
34:16videos
34:17what
34:18they showed
34:19one
34:19car
34:20what
34:21we think
34:21to be
34:22one
34:22utility
34:23leaving
34:24of
34:24condominium
34:25Abbey
34:25it seemed
34:27be
34:28just
34:28driving
34:29over there
34:29stopped
34:30and it continued
34:31gave
34:32to see
34:32the light
34:33of the brake
34:33light up
34:34and delete
34:35the idea
34:36that
34:36utility
34:38he was
34:39of some
34:39mode
34:40involved
34:41node
34:41disappearance
34:42her
34:42then
34:44that
34:44could
34:44to be
34:45very
34:45important
34:45I
34:46I needed
34:46discover
34:47who
34:47it was
34:47the
34:47owner
34:47of
34:48vehicle
34:48who
34:48he was
34:49driving
34:49that
34:50it meant
34:51what
34:51we could
34:51to have
34:51one
34:52suspect
34:52some
34:58two
34:58weeks
34:58after
34:59no
34:59there was
35:00nothing
35:00none
35:01track
35:01none
35:02revelation
35:02useful
35:03but
35:05the
35:05FBI
35:06and
35:06our
35:06partner
35:06and
35:07they
35:07they know
35:07what
35:07the
35:08Kirsten
35:08it disappeared
35:09one
35:10agent
35:10of
35:10FBI
35:11it saw
35:11the
35:11video
35:12what
35:12us
35:13we achieved
35:13of the
35:14businesses
35:14in
35:15front
35:15to the
35:15condominium
35:16Abbey
35:16and
35:17it achieved
35:17to affirm
35:18what
35:18you knew
35:19who
35:19it was
35:20the
35:20owner
35:20of
35:20vehicle
35:21I discovered
35:24what
35:25the
35:25car
35:25he was
35:25connected
35:26the
35:26one
35:26murder
35:26what
35:27occurred
35:27node
35:27condominium
35:27residential
35:28working
35:33with the
35:34FBI
35:34I achieved
35:35identify
35:35the
35:35utility
35:36we call
35:37the
35:37laboratory
35:38to
35:38test
35:39the
35:39vehicle
35:39and
35:40they
35:40confirmed
35:40what
35:41the
35:41Kirsten
35:41no
35:42entered
35:42in that
35:43car
35:43in
35:49September
35:49of
35:502021
35:51the
35:51case
35:51he was
35:52losing
35:52many
35:53strength
35:53then
35:55we talk
35:56in
35:56organize
35:57one
35:57vigil
35:57for the
35:58Kirsten
35:58no
35:59there were
35:59clues
36:00that one
36:00height
36:01on
36:01the
36:02disappearance
36:03from the
36:03Kirsten
36:03it was
36:04frustrating
36:05and
36:05disappointing
36:07we did
36:08one
36:08vigil
36:09by her
36:10node
36:10Saturday
36:1118
36:12of
36:12September
36:13us
36:13we expected
36:14gather
36:15lots of
36:16people
36:16from the
36:17neighborhood
36:18what
36:19could
36:20us
36:20give
36:20any
36:21information
36:22the
36:22detective
36:23particular
36:24entered
36:24in
36:24contact
36:25and
36:25he said
36:25what
36:26we could
36:26attract
36:27attention
36:27from the
36:28media
36:28to disclose
36:30more
36:30name
36:31her
36:31both
36:33the detective
36:33particular
36:34as
36:35my
36:35wife
36:36me and
36:36friends
36:37we did
36:38a beautiful
36:38work
36:38spreading the word
36:39the
36:40vigil
36:40the detective
36:41particular
36:41in fact
36:42went to
36:43condominium
36:43residential
36:44and left
36:45leaflets
36:46in each
36:47door
36:47of all
36:49the buildings
36:49and
36:50you
36:51ours
36:51friends
36:52they distributed
36:53or posted
36:53on Facebook
36:54it was a
36:56thing
36:56very simple
36:57gathered
36:58just
36:58about 40
36:59people
36:59I knew
37:00everybody
37:01that was
37:01there
37:01in that
37:02day
37:02but
37:03it cost
37:03the penalty
37:03and me
37:04I was left
37:04happy
37:04for doing it
37:05he was
37:06very
37:07significant
37:07to
37:08Lisa
37:08and for
37:09me
37:09and
37:09us
37:10we stayed
37:10more
37:11animated
37:14us
37:16we received
37:16some
37:17clues
37:17immediately
37:18after
37:19to do
37:19the
37:19vigil
37:20but
37:22none
37:22it was
37:22substantial
37:23and not
37:23gave
37:24not at all
37:24but
37:25now
37:26nobody
37:26more
37:27he speaks
37:27nothing
37:27and that
37:28has been
37:28very
37:29discouraging
37:30us
37:31no
37:31we have
37:32nothing
37:32to
37:35my wife
37:36and for
37:36me
37:36has been
37:37one
37:37mountain
37:37Russian
37:37of emotions
37:38one of
37:40bigger
37:40fears
37:41It's thinking
37:41never
37:42we will know
37:43what
37:43it happened
37:44with her
37:45us
37:46We're back
37:46for the
37:46point
37:47in what
37:47we have
37:47what
37:47to sit
37:48and wait
37:49somebody
37:49come to
37:49us
37:50and us
37:50to say
37:51hey
37:51us
37:51we saw
37:51some
37:52thing
37:52in
38:04March
38:04of
38:042022
38:05a clue
38:06It emerged in
38:06Franklin
38:07Indian
38:07in a bar
38:08and
38:09a customer
38:11in truth
38:12called
38:13local police
38:13and told
38:14what
38:14he believed
38:16that one
38:17girl
38:17that was
38:18at the bar
38:18together
38:19common
38:19boy
38:20possibly
38:21it was
38:22Kirsten
38:22I
38:24I thought
38:24what was
38:25excellent
38:25finally
38:26there was
38:26something new
38:27in case
38:28after
38:37of several
38:38efforts
38:38and phone calls
38:40we received
38:42the video
38:43we watched
38:46and
38:46our
38:46it seemed
38:47same
38:48what was
38:48she
38:48it was a
38:55video
38:55good
38:56quality
38:56despite
38:57not
38:58to be
38:58possible
38:59achieve
39:00see
39:01the
39:01woman
39:02while
39:05we watched
39:06I repeated
39:07for me
39:07same
39:08the woman
39:09it seems
39:09same
39:10with
39:10she
39:10or
39:11I am
39:11I
39:11what
39:12I want
39:12what
39:13they
39:14if
39:14seem
39:14same
39:15but
39:17there
39:18us
39:18we saw
39:18one
39:18thing
39:19what
39:19it seemed
39:20quite
39:21strange
39:22the
39:23woman
39:23he was
39:24acting
39:24of a
39:24way
39:25strange
39:25node
39:25video
39:26she
39:27he was
39:27quite
39:27curved
39:28with
39:29one
39:29aspect
39:29very
39:30strange
39:31she
39:32no
39:32showed
39:33none
39:33emotion
39:34when
39:35she
39:35was walking
39:35it was
39:36almost
39:36as
39:36one
39:37robot
39:37that
39:39part
39:39me
39:40he left
39:41alarmed
39:42my
39:42first
39:43thought
39:45he was
39:45if
39:47she
39:47she
39:47suffered
39:48washing
39:48cerebral
39:49why
39:50the woman
39:50of
39:50video
39:51no
39:51it was
39:52Kirsten
39:52no
39:53he had
39:53personality
39:54her
39:54I
40:10I believe
40:11what
40:11somebody
40:11he knows
40:12of
40:12some
40:12thing
40:13I
40:14I have
40:14many
40:15hope
40:15what
40:15us
40:16we can
40:16discover
40:16what
40:17there was
40:17with
40:17the
40:17Kirsten
40:18and
40:18to think
40:18answers
40:19to
40:20the
40:20family
40:20I
40:24I believe
40:25what
40:26somebody
40:26it saw
40:27some
40:28thing
40:28in that
40:29night
40:29or
40:30of
40:30early morning
40:31when
40:31the
40:31Kirsten
40:32it disappeared
40:33I
40:33no
40:33with you
40:34to believe
40:34what
40:35nobody
40:35it saw
40:36nothing
40:37there was
40:39moments
40:39during
40:41all
40:42that
40:43situation
40:45in what
40:46I
40:47I thought
40:47if
40:47the
40:47Ed
40:48he had
40:48some
40:49thing
40:49let's see
40:49with
40:50the
40:50disappearance
40:51her
40:51they
40:53they had
40:54one
40:55relationship
40:55volatile
40:56but
40:57I
40:58I think
40:58what
40:58he
40:59no
40:59he had
41:00nothing
41:00let's see
41:01with
41:01that
41:01the
41:03idea
41:03of what
41:03the
41:03Ed
41:04he would be
41:04the
41:04responsible
41:05emerged
41:05in
41:05my
41:05head
41:06I think
41:06what
41:06why
41:07they
41:07they had
41:08trips
41:09and
41:09arrivals
41:09node
41:09relationship
41:10put
41:10all
41:11you
41:11problems
41:11what
41:12they
41:12they had
41:12but
41:13he was
41:14only
41:14one
41:14thought
41:14what
41:15it happened
41:15I
41:15I have
41:1699.9%
41:17of
41:18certainty
41:18what
41:18he
41:18no
41:19he had
41:19nothing
41:20let's see
41:20with the
41:20disappearance
41:21from the
41:21Kirsten
41:21my
41:30relationship
41:31with
41:31Kirsten
41:31it was
41:32one
41:32good
41:32relationship
41:33and
41:34I
41:34I have
41:34good
41:35memories
41:35and
41:36also
41:36some
41:36sad
41:37with
41:37she
41:37missing
41:38I
41:40no
41:40I know
41:40more
41:40the
41:40what
41:40to feel
41:41I
41:43already
41:43I felt
41:43of
41:44all
41:44in
41:45relationship
41:45the
41:45that
41:45but
41:47now
41:48I
41:48I am
41:48emotionally
41:49numb
41:50you
41:52only
41:52to care
41:52people
41:53until
41:53right
41:53point
41:54and
41:54he has
41:54things
41:55what
41:55no
41:55they are
41:55node
41:55your
41:55control
41:56cute
42:06keep
42:07hope
42:07has been
42:08difficult
42:08both
42:11Rex
42:11as
42:12I
42:13just
42:13we exist
42:14in that
42:15last
42:15year and
42:16quite
42:16we are
42:17giving
42:18each
42:18step
42:19of
42:19one
42:19time
42:20when
42:23that
42:23it happened
42:24I
42:24I felt
42:24as if
42:25the
42:25life
42:25had
42:25been
42:26sucked
42:26of
42:26me
42:27all
42:28just
42:28stopped
42:28I
42:31already
42:31I lost
42:31people
42:32dear
42:32all
42:32world
42:33already
42:33it lost
42:33people
42:33dear
42:34family
42:34friends
42:35but
42:36when
42:36somebody
42:37disappears
42:37you
42:38think
42:38what
42:38one
42:38thing
42:38terrible
42:39it happened
42:40you
42:42no
42:42he knows
42:42what
42:43to do
42:43with
42:43your
42:43sadness
42:44with
42:44one
42:44grief
42:45it's like
42:46I
42:46I am
42:46sad
42:47or
42:47of
42:47grief
42:47put
42:48nothing
42:48or
42:49she
42:49this
42:49alive
42:50and
42:51one
42:51type
42:52different
42:52of
42:52pain
42:53I
42:55no
42:55I know
42:55as
42:55to the
42:56people
42:56with
42:57entities
42:57dear ones
42:58what
42:58disappeared
42:59put
43:00years
43:01and
43:01years
43:02follow
43:03in
43:03front
43:03no
43:05I know
43:05same
43:05I
43:06only
43:07I hope
43:07to have
43:08strength
43:08to
43:08to do
43:09that
43:09I
43:11only
43:11I want
43:12to say
43:12to
43:13any
43:13person
43:13what
43:13may
43:14to know
43:14some
43:14thing
43:15on
43:15the
43:15disappearance
43:16from the
43:16our
43:16daughter
43:17what
43:17put
43:17please
43:17if
43:18present
43:18and the
43:19single
43:19order
43:20what
43:20I
43:20can
43:20to do
43:21for the
43:22love
43:22of
43:23God
43:23put
43:23please
43:23if
43:23present
43:24and
43:24us
43:25of
43:25some
43:25information
43:26God
43:26God
43:27God
43:27God
43:27God
43:28God
43:28God
43:29Amen.
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