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00:00This program contains strong scenes that may not be suitable for all viewers.
00:09Herbert William Mullin was chosen by his schoolmates as the future winner.
00:18At age 25, he took the lives of 13 people, including men, women, and children, with a knife...
00:26He opened it up, took out the intestines, and left them outside.
00:30Pistol, people ran to save their lives.
00:34Stick and rifle.
00:36He shot, killed, and left the scene.
00:40He stated that he was on an extraordinary mission to save lives through assassinations.
00:46He was going to do something heroic and meaningful.
00:49Was the abominable serial killer a product of nature or nurture?
00:53We asked the investigators who had to unravel the mystery.
00:59The purpose of my work with Herbert Mullin was to try to discover what motivated him.
01:04And to the murderer himself.
01:06They are going to blame me for committing crimes.
01:11Was Herbert William Mullin born to kill?
01:14Madmen
01:39Madmen
01:40Eu venido um bom catholüyorum.
01:49I listened to my desires every day.
01:51I went to do the same.
01:55I made any wood from the affiliate.
01:57At least because day rather than month.
01:59In January 1973, police officer Terry Medina came across a crime scene.
02:28that I would never forget.
02:32You know, when you work in Homicide, both the time and I, there are things that come into play.
02:40in your mind that you wish they were never there.
02:48That chalet is one of the scenes that still haunts me.
02:52Medina was summoned to a chalet in the forest, near an old tourist attraction in the
02:59Santa Cruz mountains, known as Mr. Scott.
03:04It is in this place that they announce the phenomenon of the unknown, where the planet and gravity
03:14They don't exist, like in other places.
03:21The fact is that on the night the bodies were discovered, they certainly hadn't followed...
03:28the course of nature, as we know it.
03:31The chalet was home to 30-year-old Cat Francis and her family.
04:00Three bodies were found in the chalet.
04:06They belonged to Mrs. Francis and her two sons.
04:10And they were very small.
04:13The first thing I saw was that the Christmas tree had fallen and the decorations were...
04:20broken.
04:23It was supposedly a good time of year.
04:26It was obvious that there had been a very violent fight in the house.
04:36She fought... she fought hard.
04:41Cat's children were playing on the bed.
04:44The killer shot them and stabbed them with a hunting knife.
04:52He pulled one of them closer by the foot and stabbed him.
04:58Everything seems so peaceful when you listen to the birds.
05:08Who would have imagined that something so tragic could happen in such a peaceful and beautiful place?
05:15The unexplained murder at Mr. Spot was just one of many that would terrorize the tranquil town.
05:26The coastal community of Santa Cruz experienced four months of madness.
05:32You know, it was a strange period to say the least.
05:36The prosecutor said we were the murder capital of the world.
05:43A killer was attacking indiscriminately.
05:46The community and the people living in the county were on edge.
05:52Young women.
05:54He surprised her and killed her in a horrible way.
05:58Children.
05:58People were scared.
06:00There were no clues as to who was involved.
06:05The priest.
06:05Oh my God.
06:08This provoked anger in many people.
06:12Elderly.
06:13We didn't have anything like this in the city of Santa Cruz before.
06:17And I hope to God we don't have something like this again.
06:20No one was safe.
06:23Everything was happening with unbelievable frequency.
06:26There were so many.
06:28When would it stop?
06:29There was a lot of pressure against the police and the investigators.
06:33So many bodies turning up.
06:37They had been killed in very different ways, under different circumstances.
06:42From a legal standpoint, we couldn't make a connection between the people.
06:47On February 13, 1973, a single rifle shot was fired outside Santa Cruz, and the mystery began to unravel.
06:58Fred Pérez, 73, was tending to his garden when a young man arrived in the quiet neighborhood.
07:10He was driving on a Sunday morning.
07:13And there was an elderly gentleman working in his garden.
07:17He shot, killed, and drove away.
07:22A neighbor saw the car driving away, and the police quickly stopped it.
07:28The occupant was Herbert William Mully, 25 years old, a resident of Santa Cruz.
07:33A polite and seemingly quiet young man.
07:36He was shy, withdrawn, and quiet.
07:43If you looked at him, if you spoke to him, you would think he was a law-abiding citizen.
07:49He was interested in the community.
07:51He was a man of principle.
07:55That was written all over his face.
07:58But investigators soon realized there was more to that calm and polite young man.
08:06In Santa Cruz, California, 25-year-old Herbert Mullen,
08:11He was charged with the fatal acts of six people in the last three weeks.
08:16Herbert Mully was suspected of 13 murders.
08:20Mullen, who had been voted the most successful in his school class,
08:24and took students from schools,
08:27who was apparently involved with the drug culture of Santa Cruz.
08:29With Mullen in custody, the detectives,
08:34including the defense investigator, Harold Cartwright,
08:38They began searching for an answer to the question everyone was asking.
08:42Why?
08:43The purpose of my work with Harold Mullen
08:46The goal was to try and discover what motivated him.
08:48Cartwright's investigation would begin in Mullen's small hometown of Felton,
08:56nestled in the beautiful mountains of Santa Cruz.
09:01This is San Lorenzo Valley High School.
09:04Herbert Mullen graduated here in 1965.
09:08He was chosen as the likely winner by his colleagues.
09:11He was an excellent student in everything we could observe.
09:15He was well-liked and a good football player.
09:18even though it is quite small.
09:20Here was a wonderful young man,
09:22And a few years later he became a serial killer.
09:26That is to say, this doesn't happen to an average person.
09:31What happened?
09:38My name is Herbert William Mullen,
09:40and I was born on April 18, 1937,
09:44at 6:06 a.m.
09:46My earliest memory was
09:48I was crawling on my hands and knees
09:51and I was looking into a puddle.
09:56I saw myself
09:57and the redwood trees reflected
10:00and the sunlight,
10:03the sun,
10:04and I touched the sun with my finger
10:06and it created little circular waves.
10:10extending outwardly in all directions.
10:14I felt peaceful and calm.
10:16inquisitive
10:18curious,
10:19content,
10:20grateful,
10:21and hopeful.
10:22But what could have transformed this optimistic child?
10:29A murderer?
10:31I remember the first one,
10:33or one of the first times
10:35in which I managed to get a response from him.
10:38That's one of my questions.
10:40We were there.
10:41and he wasn't cooperating,
10:43until finally he looked at me.
10:45and stared at me intently across the table.
10:47and said,
10:47when God speaks to you,
10:49Listen!
10:50The investigators
10:51they were about to
10:52to discover
10:53one of the stories
10:54most bizarre
10:55in criminal history.
11:01In February 1973,
11:04Herbert William Mullin,
11:05resident of Santa Cruz,
11:07He was arrested.
11:07under accusation
11:08of having shot
11:09in a gentleman
11:10who worked
11:10in your garden.
11:14Mullin was questioned.
11:15by researchers and doctors
11:16and with walking
11:18from the investigation,
11:19began to reveal
11:20the details
11:21of 12 more murders
11:22who had terrified
11:23the community,
11:25everyone with a reason
11:26extraordinary.
11:27I stayed
11:27with my hair
11:28standing,
11:29what I mean to say,
11:30history gave me
11:31chills down my spine.
11:34Mullin's idea
11:35that he had
11:36to save the world
11:36after hearing voices.
11:39The voices
11:39they told him
11:40what
11:41He was good.
11:43and that
11:43was one of the people
11:45chosen
11:46and that
11:47it was
11:47God's plan
11:49that people
11:50should be
11:50sacrificed.
11:52He would be avoiding
11:53earthquakes
11:54cataclysmic
11:56killing people.
11:58The earthquake
11:58I would do
11:59California sinking
12:00and he would have
12:01what to do
12:02rituals
12:03and sacrifices
12:04to avoid
12:04that the earthquake
12:05would take you to California
12:06to the bottom of the sea.
12:09Mullin
12:09claimed
12:10that the victims
12:10they would have offered
12:11to him telepathically.
12:13Although the detective
12:16Medina
12:17don't have
12:17perceived
12:18at the time,
12:18in October
12:19from 1972
12:20he had
12:21state
12:21in the scene
12:22of the first
12:22of the murders
12:23by Herbert Mullin.
12:26At the time
12:27that I thought
12:28I'm going to another one.
12:29murder scene.
12:34The body
12:35it was one
12:35wanderer,
12:36Lawrence White,
12:37known
12:38as
12:38White.
12:39we were
12:43the fence
12:43of a
12:43kilometer
12:44and a half
12:44of the city
12:45from Santa Cruz.
12:47We went
12:48called
12:48for a
12:49area
12:49outside of
12:49road
12:50she
12:51he was
12:51one
12:51old
12:52dead
12:54and that
12:54had been
12:55beaten.
12:57Mullin
12:57I thought
12:58that
12:58people
12:58that were
12:59arranged
13:00to the sacrifice
13:00they would
13:01warn him
13:02telepathically.
13:03They wanted
13:04to die
13:04and it was
13:05exactly
13:05that
13:05that he
13:06did
13:06to happen.
13:07He
13:08saw a
13:08man
13:08in a
13:08highway.
13:10He
13:10drove
13:10until then
13:11and heard
13:11the man
13:11to say
13:12I am
13:12Jonah
13:12shoot
13:13in me.
13:15She
13:15It's gone.
13:16The first one?
13:16He
13:16parked
13:17one
13:17Chevrolet
13:17in a
13:1858
13:18opened
13:19the hood
13:20and called
13:21the signal
13:21blink
13:22i.e.
13:22has something
13:23wrong
13:23with the
13:23car.
13:24Who
13:24it could
13:25to arrive?
13:26THE
13:26poor
13:26White.
13:28He
13:28he requested
13:28for the
13:28old
13:29to stay
13:29looking
13:29the
13:29engine.
13:30Mullin
13:31it returned
13:31with
13:32one
13:32taco
13:33of
13:33baseball
13:33and while
13:35Lawrence
13:36White
13:36he was
13:36of
13:37back
13:37he
13:40the
13:40He killed.
13:42Of course
13:42you
13:43start
13:43the
13:43to look
13:44who
13:44they are
13:44you
13:45companions
13:45from him
13:45and
13:46in these
13:47cases
13:48generally
13:49we are looking for
13:49which
13:50would be
13:50to the
13:50connections.
13:52Good
13:52all
13:54you
13:54friends
13:55of
13:55White
13:55they wanted
13:55us
13:56to help.
13:57He
13:57no
13:58he had
13:58one
13:58enemy
13:58not even.
13:59Nobody
14:00it could
14:00to say
14:00there was
14:01one
14:01discussion
14:02there was
14:02one
14:02conflict
14:03he
14:04should
14:04money
14:05that was all
14:07the old man
14:08what
14:08caught
14:09until
14:09death
14:10in
14:10border
14:10from the
14:10road.
14:14THE
14:14investigation
14:15about
14:15death
14:16of
14:16Lawrence
14:16White
14:16no
14:17it gave
14:17in
14:17nothing
14:17but
14:19node
14:19day
14:1924
14:20of
14:20October
14:20Herbert
14:21Mullin
14:21I would go
14:21attack
14:22of
14:22new
14:22offering
14:23one
14:23ride
14:24the
14:24student
14:24university
14:25Mary
14:26Gil
14:26Foil
14:26of
14:2724
14:27years.
14:30He
14:31ia
14:31take her
14:32to
14:32one
14:32local
14:32specific.
14:33he
14:34realized
14:35what
14:35she
14:35no
14:35he was
14:35in
14:36your
14:36path
14:36of
14:36always
14:37he
14:38the
14:38surprised
14:39and the
14:39killed
14:40of a
14:40manner
14:40horrible
14:41there
14:41same
14:41node
14:41car.
14:44He
14:44no
14:45only
14:45the
14:45stabbed
14:46but
14:47he
14:48the
14:48opened
14:49took
14:53you
14:53intestines
14:54and
14:55he left
14:55to
14:55outside.
14:58THE
14:58boy
14:59that there was
14:59been
14:59popular
15:00at the time
15:00of
15:01college
15:01now
15:01he was
15:02killing
15:02without
15:03remorse.
15:03in that
15:04case
15:05there was
15:05blood
15:06her
15:07node
15:07mat
15:07of
15:08car
15:08from him
15:08and
15:09he
15:09me
15:10he said
15:10after
15:10what
15:10never
15:11he had
15:11achieved
15:11to clean
15:12the
15:12blood
15:12of
15:13mat
15:13of
15:13car
15:14but
15:15no
15:16there was
15:16any
15:17emotion
15:18when
15:18he
15:18He spoke
15:19on
15:19to kill
15:20people
15:21and
15:22now
15:22Herbert
15:23Mullin
15:23he was
15:24about
15:24the
15:24commit
15:25one
15:25crime
15:25what
15:25would shock
15:26the
15:26community
15:27deeply
15:28node
15:36day
15:36of
15:36All Souls' Day
15:37November
15:37of
15:381972
15:39Herbert Mullin
15:40entered the church of
15:41St. Mary
15:42in Los Gatos
15:42he was a priest
15:50tremendously
15:51respected
15:52a fighter
15:52of resistance
15:53French
15:53on Monday
15:54war
15:54world
15:55Himalaya
15:55had been
15:56created
15:56as a Catholic
15:57he had
15:58gone
15:59the church
15:59confess
16:00he was
16:28to the
16:28confessional
16:29confessed
16:30some
16:31things
16:31possibly
16:33their crimes
16:34previous
16:35then
16:37he opened
16:38the door
16:38from the confessional
16:39and stabbed
16:40the priest
16:40in the heart
16:41in the future
16:45Mullin
16:46I would say
16:46that the priest
16:47Domei
16:47offered
16:48in sacrifice
16:49the thing
16:51It was so
16:51horrible
16:52that the priest
16:53same
16:53after having
16:54been stabbed
16:55to bleed
16:55until death
16:56still had
16:57what to say
16:57words of forgiveness
16:59about what
16:59he had done
17:00It was almost
17:01like the scene
17:02of the crucifixion
17:03what could
17:08to have taken
17:08Mullin
17:09to commit
17:09a crime
17:10so shocking
17:11the policeman
17:12Terry Medina
17:13It also started
17:13to delve deeper
17:14in childhood
17:15de Mullin
17:15during the investigation
17:17during the investigation
17:18we had to interrogate
17:20his parents
17:21and knows
17:22his mother
17:23it was
17:23a person
17:25very pleasant
17:26one
17:27typical
17:28mother
17:28of the time
17:30Herb's father
17:32he was a guy
17:33normal
17:34he worked
17:34at the post office
17:35it was
17:37former marine
17:38naval
17:38but
17:40very strict
17:41to mean
17:41there was a clear
17:42principle
17:42certainly
17:43That's wrong.
17:44I understood
17:45the school
17:47of St. Stephen
17:47I was a good
17:49student
17:50I think
17:50from my point of view
17:52I always
17:52I did my job.
17:53at night
17:54I always
17:54I was in the first one.
17:55team
17:55I was a
17:56very good
17:57athlete
17:58I was thinking
17:58that me
17:58carried
17:59for a
18:00life
18:01charitable
18:02so that I
18:04if it were a good
18:04member
18:05from my family
18:05and the community
18:06the investigations
18:11detailed
18:11they didn't prove it
18:12nothing significant
18:13or abnormal
18:14about childhood
18:15de Mullin
18:15until the end
18:16of his adolescence
18:17after school
18:20he begins
18:21visibly
18:22deteriorating
18:23mentally
18:24Mullin started
18:25to change
18:25I spoke with my girlfriend.
18:46from him
18:47of the time
18:47from the school
18:48a beautiful young woman
18:49they stayed
18:51bride and groom
18:51to get married
18:52and there
18:53he started
18:53to act
18:54more and more
18:55most strangely
18:56and she
18:56sometimes
18:57was afraid
18:58from him
18:58he wouldn't let him
19:00that she would take
19:00no decision
19:02and I remember
19:03that he was hitting
19:04on the legs
19:05her
19:05when he got angry
19:07or he would get angry
19:08with her
19:08the young man
19:18Herbie Mullin
19:19it was beginning
19:20to manifest
19:21signs
19:21of paranoia
19:22serious
19:22we don't know
19:24the reasons
19:25that trigger
19:26the disorder
19:26paranoid
19:27there are many
19:28theories
19:28of what a
19:29of the reasons
19:29by which
19:30someone
19:30turns
19:31paranoid
19:31that
19:32he has
19:33impulses
19:34homosexuals
19:35repressed
19:36and that remains
19:38terrified
19:39with
19:40those
19:41impulses
19:42homosexuals
19:43and what happens
19:44It's that the person
19:45start to think
19:46They will try.
19:46catch me
19:47And they are talking
19:48from me
19:49They're going to hurt me.
19:50They are conspiring.
19:52against me
19:53They're going to force me.
19:54doing things
19:54that I don't want
19:55to do
19:56and that is not
19:57a problem
19:57identity
19:58sexual
19:59I think people
20:00They could be confusing.
20:01and to think
20:02Oh, they're gay.
20:03and they wouldn't like
20:04to be
20:04but it's too much
20:05more
20:06It's a feeling.
20:07horror
20:08So what would it have?
20:10caused this change
20:11behavior
20:12in a person
20:12who was dedicated
20:13to be a Catholic
20:14devotee
20:15when I spoke
20:15with sister
20:16from Herbie
20:16she commented
20:17that the first time
20:18that really became
20:19concerned
20:20with brother
20:21It was on one occasion
20:23where he went to dinner
20:25with her family
20:26and began to imitate
20:28everything the husband
20:29She did it
20:30if her husband
20:31picked up a fork
20:32or a knife
20:33he picked up a fork
20:34or a knife
20:36if the husband
20:36if he got up
20:37and go to the sink
20:38he stood up
20:39and went to the sink
20:41And this continued.
20:42for a while
20:43she described
20:44as if he were
20:45in a trance
20:46that Mullen really
20:47I wasn't in control
20:48than what I was doing
20:49he was being
20:50controlled
20:51by his brother-in-law
20:52this automatic repetition
20:55is known
20:56such as ecopraxia
20:57and it can be a symptom
20:58of schizophrenia
21:00it is often said
21:03that
21:04It was a disease.
21:04of young people
21:06the schizophrenic
21:07often
21:09does not show symptoms
21:10until the end
21:11of adolescence
21:12or around 20 years old
21:13despite existing
21:15exceptions
21:15Mullen also
21:19He claimed that his friend
21:20school
21:20of Indian woman
21:22led him to use
21:23psychotropic drugs
21:24Mullen abandoned
21:35Catholicism
21:36in favor of religions
21:37Orientals
21:37on behalf of
21:38conscientious objection
21:39your family
21:44began to believe
21:45that drugs
21:46were the cause
21:46of the changes
21:47extremes
21:48in behavior
21:48from him
21:49many people
21:51back then
21:51including their parents
21:53They thought that he
21:53I wasn't feeling well.
21:54because I was using
21:55marihuana
21:56and LSD
21:57I don't believe
21:59in that
22:00we never found
22:01nothing to indicate
22:02that at some point
22:03of your life
22:04the drug
22:05may have taken it
22:06out
22:06of reality
22:07that didn't seem like it
22:08that is the case
22:09this may have had
22:10some connection
22:11with ingestion
22:12of psychedelic drugs
22:13but that's all
22:15I wouldn't
22:16that someone
22:17became psychotic
22:18permanently
22:19unless the person
22:21already
22:22some trend
22:23or that had
22:24started
22:25showing
22:26some signs
22:27Mullen
22:28however
22:28disagrees
22:29in January 1973
22:54Mullen had killed
22:55a wanderer
22:55a student
22:56and a priest
22:57the next death
23:00It would be much more personal.
23:02he thought
23:04what January
23:05he was responsible
23:07because it ruined
23:08his life
23:08at the moment
23:09in which he offered
23:10marihuana
23:10then at some point
23:12he became
23:13obsessed
23:14with the idea
23:15of which January
23:15was responsible
23:16for everyone
23:17your problems
23:18the scene
23:19of the crime
23:20January
23:22It was awful too.
23:24Mullen
23:25at that time
23:26I already had a gun.
23:27he shot
23:31sir
23:31January
23:32and then he took
23:33a knife
23:33and stabbed
23:34his wife
23:35good
23:37this is the part
23:37confused
23:38of his delirium
23:39part
23:39whom he blames
23:40the person
23:41who introduced him
23:42drugs
23:43and all of that
23:44doesn't fit
23:45with the idea
23:45that the victims
23:46They are volunteers.
23:47but on the other hand
23:49It's more like
23:49since I have
23:50that kill people
23:51I should too.
23:52grab that guy
23:53and punish him
23:53but it doesn't match
23:54with his vision
23:56the death of the couple
23:58January
23:59would contribute
24:00with an explanation
24:00for the assassination
24:01by Mr. Spott
24:02that same morning
24:04Cat Francis
24:05had given to Mully
24:06the address
24:07by Jim in January
24:08She would pay dearly.
24:11thank you for your kindness
24:12he returned
24:14for the house
24:15by Francis
24:16and clearly
24:17demonstrated
24:18that was
24:18covering
24:18their tracks
24:19and there
24:21he killed
24:22the mother
24:23and the two children
24:24and the mission
24:27murderess
24:27of Mully
24:28was far away
24:29to end
24:30in 1973
24:38Herbert Mully
24:39He was arrested.
24:40for multiple murders
24:41that he claimed
24:42to have committed
24:43to save
24:44California
24:44of an earthquake
24:45cataclysmic
24:46several days
24:50after the arrest
24:51of Mully
24:52the detective
24:52Terry Medina
24:53he was called
24:54for another scene
24:55terrible
24:55in the forest
24:56of sequoias
24:57this area
25:01this
25:03in the state park
25:04Henry Cowell
25:05but it is not
25:06in the part
25:07of the park
25:08where people go
25:09where is
25:10the tables
25:11picnic
25:12and the places
25:13for camping
25:14it's the part
25:14isolated
25:15of the park
25:16lightly used
25:17an area
25:17mountainous
25:18I'm not coming.
25:25here
25:25provided that
25:27we were
25:28on site
25:28of the crime
25:29in a shelter
25:55improvised
25:56four teenagers
25:58campers
25:58were found
25:59murdered
26:00coldly
26:01with a bullet
26:03in the head
26:04but Herbert Mully
26:07was in custody
26:08then the murderer
26:10of the boys
26:10It was a mystery.
26:11when we arrive
26:13when we arrive
26:13the crime scene
26:14It was starting to get dark.
26:16the bodies
26:20they could not be
26:21removed
26:22someone would
26:22to stay there
26:23all night long
26:24I went
26:25one of the people
26:26who spent the night
26:27there
26:28and
26:32that was the scene
26:34of crime
26:35more
26:36sinister
26:39that I've already seen
26:40he was
26:42he knows
26:42the police
26:45they do not admit
26:46who feel fear
26:47But I'll tell you
26:49not knowing
26:52who is the suspect
26:54not knowing if
26:55the suspect
26:56He'll be back.
26:57everybody
26:59I had gone away
27:00of the mountain
27:00except for the two of us
27:02and the deceased
27:04I would say that
27:07We were scared.
27:09autopsies
27:11they would reveal
27:12later
27:12that the bodies
27:13of the boys
27:14they were there
27:14a week ago
27:15and that the projectiles
27:17belonged
27:18Herbert William Mully
27:19He had killed them.
27:23before his arrest
27:25to have chosen
27:26that camp
27:27sealed the fate
27:29of the boys
27:29he had violated
27:44some rules
27:45and been expelled
27:46of the property
27:47when he saw the boys
27:48violating the rules
27:50Mully found
27:50that they also
27:51They shouldn't be there.
27:52he wanted
27:54that people
27:55were punished
27:55for the infractions
27:56And that's not surprising.
27:58in someone
27:58with schizophrenia
27:59paranoid
28:00Mully
28:02claimed
28:03that teenagers
28:04they said telepathically
28:05who wanted to be
28:06sacrificed
28:07he entered
28:09in the tent
28:09and opened fire
28:11they stayed
28:14prisoners
28:15I can't even imagine.
28:19what happened
28:19through their heads
28:21Mully
28:24Mully
28:24found a rifle
28:25found a rifle
28:25at the campsite
28:26And it was that weapon.
28:27that he used
28:28on February 13th
28:29from 1973
28:30when he shot
28:32by Fred Pérez
28:33in the garden
28:34your thirteenth
28:36and last victim
28:37despite the episode
28:40with Fred Pérez
28:41to have taken
28:41the capture
28:42of Mully
28:42there was not yet
28:43explanations
28:44for the fact
28:45of a good boy
28:46to have transformed
28:47a cruel killer
28:48in series
28:49in their investigations
28:52about life
28:53of Mully
28:53Harold
28:54Cartwright
28:55discovered
28:56that in 1971
28:57the future winner
28:59I was living
29:00in cheap hotels
29:01in Tenderloin
29:02San Francisco
29:03It is necessary to understand
29:08that in the decade
29:0970
29:10Tenderloin
29:11in San Francisco
29:12was in full swing
29:14decadence
29:15he knows
29:16the area
29:16it was very precarious
29:17dominated by addicts
29:19in drugs
29:20and by drunks
29:21it was a place
29:22really bad
29:23here
29:24the pacifist
29:25and follower
29:26of Eastern religions
29:27had developed
29:28a surprising
29:29obsession
29:30I remember
29:38that the name
29:39of the coach
29:39It was Vick
29:40he used to
29:42describe the Mully
29:43how strange
29:44but I liked
29:45of the boy
29:45because he had
29:46great strength
29:47of will
29:48he was
29:50esparren
29:51of boxers
29:52with better physical conditioning
29:53and for sure
29:55He was getting beaten up quite a lot.
29:56but always
29:57He stood firm.
29:59Vick
30:02he described it
30:03like a guy
30:04of great courage
30:05Harry was getting very
30:21focused
30:21when someone
30:22I needed
30:23talk to him
30:23or was there
30:25to train him
30:26but that was all
30:27turn your back
30:28for him
30:28for a few minutes
30:30and you would be
30:31standing
30:31no corner
30:32while he was talking
30:33alone
30:34as if it were
30:36talking
30:37with another person
30:38I wanted
30:40to program
30:42myself
30:42to become
30:43a successful
30:43citizen
30:44and
30:45somewhere
30:46in my
30:47subconscious
30:47I focused
30:48on my
30:49father
30:49and
30:50how
30:51he had
30:51told me
30:52he had
30:52been boxing
30:53and so forth
30:54during his
30:55formative years
30:56and so
30:57possibly
30:58I engaged
30:59in that
30:59violent activity
31:00because
31:01of my
31:01desire
31:02to be
31:03more like
31:03him
31:04in terms
31:04of the success
31:06story of
31:07normal
31:08natural person
31:09in America
31:10it's not uncommon
31:12search for
31:13something
31:13what will make you
31:14feel better
31:15independently
31:17whatever it may be
31:17It's quite painful.
31:19to be unhappy
31:21at that point
31:22psychological pain
31:24It's a thing
31:25that many schizophrenics
31:27they will mention
31:28at some point
31:29who cannot stand
31:32the pain they feel
31:33in Tenderloin
31:36Cartwright
31:37located
31:38one of the hotels
31:39decrepit
31:39where
31:40Mullen
31:40lived
31:41I located
31:43the owner
31:44she had
31:45stored
31:46some boxes
31:47that he left
31:48when it moved
31:49they were
31:50full of manuscripts
31:52and drawings
31:53insane
31:54in addition to hundreds
31:55of pages
31:56that really
31:56they didn't
31:57any sense
31:58one of the symptoms
31:59of certain
32:00Types of schizophrenia
32:02or other types
32:03of disturbances
32:04learning
32:05It is hypergraphy.
32:06or the impulse
32:07that takes a person
32:08writing compulsively
32:09sometimes he writes
32:10on the walls
32:11in their own bodies
32:12They usually keep diaries.
32:13writes enormous letters
32:15to the precedent
32:15It's not that they
32:16need to write
32:18something
32:19in particular
32:20to be read
32:21It's just a record.
32:23compulsive
32:24details
32:26details
32:27details
32:27he wrote
32:29large quantity
32:30of literature
32:32and it was
32:32essentially
32:34indecipherable
32:34while he was there
32:36these writings
32:38apparently
32:39meaningless
32:40contained codes
32:41secrets
32:42which revealed
32:42a vision
32:43terrifying
32:44of intentions
32:44future
32:45by Herbert Mullen
32:46there was enough
32:48material
32:48on
32:50the twelve apostles
32:51one more
32:52clearly
32:53hinted
32:54that he was
32:54the thirteenth
32:55disciple of God
32:57Mullen
33:00it was beginning
33:01to be developed
33:01your theories
33:02how he
33:03would save California
33:04of the disaster
33:05natural
33:05he came across
33:08with a date
33:09death
33:10which is very
33:11significant
33:12Einstein's
33:13and Albert Einstein
33:14died in his
33:16date of birth
33:17April 18
33:19which also
33:21coincides with
33:22the earthquake
33:23of San Francisco
33:24from 1906
33:26no one can say
33:27what percentage
33:28of schizophrenics
33:29has that ability
33:30but it's very common
33:31thought
33:32magician
33:33about certain numbers
33:34occurs
33:35and it is one of his
33:36delusions
33:36then in the mind
33:39of a person
33:39with disorders
33:41delusional
33:41what she sees
33:42that Einstein
33:43died to protect
33:45people
33:45who were born
33:46on April 18
33:47and these people
33:49now they would have a mission
33:50to protect
33:50all the others
33:51then he was going to do
33:53something heroic
33:54he finished
33:55diving in headfirst
33:56on those dates
33:57and began to observe
33:58the numbers
33:58and mortality rates
34:00everywhere
34:01and observing
34:02natural disasters
34:03he thought
34:04look here
34:04mortality rates
34:05they were downloading
34:06And we had a hurricane.
34:08or an earthquake
34:08would be the earth
34:09trying to balance
34:11and he imagined
34:13what
34:13killing people
34:15he would increase
34:16the mortality rate
34:17and would avoid
34:18the earthquake
34:19Herbert Mullin
34:21I would choose the 13th.
34:22October
34:23from 1972
34:24to begin
34:26at four months
34:27of a massacre
34:27devastating
34:28that I would take
34:29lives
34:30of 13 people
34:31innocent
34:31his last victim
34:33she was murdered
34:34on the 13th
34:35but Mullin
34:41it would have been
34:41really
34:42driven
34:43through delusions
34:43and his insanity
34:45I couldn't
34:45spare him
34:46of punishment
34:47for their crimes
34:47in July
34:55from 1973
34:57The trial began.
34:58by Herbert Mullin
34:59a trial
35:01that would shock
35:02disconcert
35:04and to cause revulsion
35:05in the jury
35:06and also test
35:07the concept
35:08of insanity
35:09when these crimes
35:11horrible
35:12occur
35:12we stayed
35:14air-conditioned
35:15thinking
35:15what
35:16and
35:17these people
35:18They're crazy.
35:19and that
35:20set the stage
35:21for a battle
35:22to know
35:23if they are
35:24legally insane
35:25state of mind
35:27that was all
35:28what really
35:29marked this case
35:31good
35:33This is the room.
35:34where it occurred
35:34the trial
35:35presided
35:36by the judge
35:36Cranich
35:37this side
35:38That's where he sat.
35:39the team
35:40defense
35:41from the moment
35:44that Mullin
35:45it found
35:45with your lawyer
35:46appointed by the court
35:47your behavior
35:49It became bizarre.
35:50Herbert Mullin
35:51He said he didn't want me.
35:52because I don't look like it
35:53enough
35:54with Richard Nixon
35:55and that was not
35:56exactly the peak
35:57of popularity
35:58Nixon
35:59it was obvious
36:00that Mullin
36:01He was the strange fellow.
36:02as we move forward
36:04of the trial
36:05any questions
36:06that Mullin
36:07had been
36:07the author
36:08of all crimes
36:09it disappeared
36:10Mr. Mullin
36:12normally
36:13sat
36:15in this chair
36:17he used to
36:19interrupt
36:19the process
36:20sometimes
36:21I was getting very excited.
36:23in giving details
36:24to their lawyers
36:25when someone
36:26I was describing
36:27the location
36:28of a body
36:29or how many stabs
36:30were given
36:31and so on
36:32when someone
36:33act in this way
36:34It's obviously
36:35incriminating
36:36himself
36:36although it
36:38became clear
36:38for everyone
36:39that Mullin
36:39it was mentally
36:40sick
36:41Could it be?
36:42enough
36:42to avoid
36:43the complete
36:44responsibility
36:45for the crimes
36:45even
36:47a diagnosis
36:48of disease
36:49severe mental
36:50It's not the equivalent.
36:51insanity
36:52legal
36:52insanity
36:53legal
36:54refers
36:54responsibility
36:56moral
36:56mostly
36:57of the jurisdictions
36:58it is based
36:59in the rule
37:00English
37:00of Manhattan
37:01part of the rule
37:03of Manhattan
37:04says that when
37:04the accused
37:05doesn't know
37:06that what is
37:07doing
37:07That's wrong.
37:09It's not a homicide.
37:10intentional
37:10Well, he didn't know.
37:12that what was
37:12doing it was wrong
37:13From what I've seen
37:14he thought
37:15what was I doing
37:16the right thing
37:17against all expectations
37:20Mullin made it clear
37:22what I wanted to say
37:22Mr. Mullin
37:27witnessed
37:27which is very rare
37:28He came all the way here.
37:29and remained standing
37:31It ended up like this.
37:33and practically
37:34He gave us a lecture.
37:35Mullin stated
37:39that your family
37:40friends and neighbors
37:41they had conspired
37:42to lead him to kill
37:43a statement
37:46that he keeps
37:47everyone involved
38:13in the investigation
38:14of Mullin's crimes
38:15they consider the statements
38:17like delusions
38:18of a madman
38:18I've seen many cases.
38:21where
38:22It's so easy.
38:26blame
38:27the parents
38:29for things
38:30that go wrong
38:31if one of the parents
38:33knew
38:34exactly
38:35what Herb
38:37I was doing
38:37they would have
38:39delivered
38:40I
38:40I have
38:42absolute certainty
38:43from that
38:44once
38:46schizophrenic
38:48always schizophrenic
38:49his parents
38:50were people
38:51wonderful
38:52and the fact
38:53him thinking
38:53in that way
38:54it's part
38:56of your
38:56mental illness
38:57the person
38:58who is paranoid
38:59has the feeling
39:01that always
39:02There is a conspiracy.
39:03against her
39:04you can
39:05to test
39:06for her
39:07what
39:07what is she
39:08thinking
39:09That's not right.
39:10and then
39:11you become
39:12part of
39:13pseudo-community
39:14paranoid
39:15but madness
39:16of Mully
39:17would help him escape
39:18of punishment
39:19for their crimes
39:20the defense
39:22in the trial
39:23I have to admit
39:25He did a great job.
39:26I started thinking
39:29oops
39:31let's
39:31win this case
39:33they said
39:35what
39:36if you are
39:37Herbert William
39:38Mullen
39:38two
39:40two more
39:41is equal to five
39:43and that
39:46all
39:46which derives
39:48hence
39:49That's wrong.
39:50he had a premise
39:53where did he leave from
39:54and this premise
39:55she was insane
39:56and as a result
39:57everything he did
39:58after
39:59he assumed
40:00what did
40:01what I should have done
40:02what he really
40:03had been called
40:04to do
40:05which was what it meant to be a good citizen.
40:07dutiful
40:09and their duties
40:09included killing people
40:11after three days
40:14of deliberation
40:15the jury returned
40:16with the verdict
40:17Herbert William Mullen
40:19was judged
40:19mentally healthy
40:20at the time of his crimes
40:22and convicted
40:23for two charges
40:24intentional homicide
40:25qualified
40:25and eight
40:26intentional homicide
40:27simple
40:28some would describe
40:30Herbert Mullen
40:31like only
40:31another crazy person
40:32but there is something more
40:34about this killer
40:35from what we can see
40:36there are many
40:38schizophrenics
40:39paranoids
40:40that do not kill people
40:42Why is that?
40:43It happened to him.
40:45So what did he do?
40:47Herbert Mullen
40:48indifferent
40:48he was born
40:50to kill
40:51obviously the seeds
40:55They were there.
40:56some of the crimes
40:58that he committed
40:59It was as if he
41:00were
41:00getting revenge
41:02he killed people
41:04what did you think
41:05that they had caused
41:06your problems
41:07marijuana
41:08people
41:09that polluted
41:10nature
41:11for camping
41:11in the forest
41:12then
41:13we ask ourselves
41:15all of this
41:16it was done
41:17because
41:17of a
41:18real psychosis
41:20or he used
41:21psychosis
41:22to justify
41:22their crimes
41:23psychopathy
41:25It wasn't a fake.
41:26claim
41:26but it's false
41:28argue
41:29that was because
41:30of schizophrenia
41:31paranoid
41:32pre-existing
41:33that he took
41:35the rifle
41:35the knife
41:36and the staff
41:38to kill
41:38all those
41:39people
41:40your system
41:41of beliefs
41:42demonstrates
41:43that he knew
41:44that society
41:44considered
41:46those actions
41:47wrong
41:47and that he
41:48was violating
41:49the law
41:49if you enter
41:51in any hospital
41:52psychiatric
41:53and ask
41:53because the person
41:54It's there.
41:54you will hear well
41:55I heard voices
41:56saying that it was
41:56to kill me
41:57good
41:57Why didn't he kill himself?
41:59then I told
42:00and they put me
42:01at the hospital
42:01It is very rare.
42:02that someone
42:03obey
42:03hallucinations
42:04command
42:05a person
42:07that ends
42:08being born
42:09with schizophrenia
42:10latent
42:11and that becomes
42:13a chronic disease
42:14he was born
42:16to be sick
42:17but not
42:18to kill
42:19Herbert Mullen
42:21however
42:21continues to state
42:22that their crimes
42:23were the result
42:24of creation
42:25and not of nature
42:26I think
42:28what
42:29a state
42:31from California
42:31a court
42:32system
42:32psychiatry
42:33they
42:34They must have credentials.
42:35to that
42:36contention
42:37mine
42:37that I don't
42:38100%
42:39a guilty
42:40one
42:41no commission
42:41of crime
42:42what
42:42they must have
42:44one
42:44Lenienço
42:45and maybe
42:46exonerates
42:48and vindictive
42:49me
42:49one
42:50one
42:50one
42:50one
42:51one
42:51one
42:52one
42:52one
42:53one
42:53one
42:53one
42:53one
42:54one
42:54one
42:54I think
43:05that the disease
43:06mental
43:06the torment
43:07mental
43:08of these people
43:09I believe
43:11that should
43:11waking
43:12our sympathy
43:13but
43:14the story
43:15of the victims
43:17no
43:18he told me
43:18enough
43:19for the
43:20researcher
43:21that passed
43:21months
43:22investigating
43:22life
43:23and the mind
43:23by Herbert
43:24Merlin
43:24the answer
43:26for the question
43:26whether he should
43:27be released
43:28or not
43:28It's too much.
43:29simple
43:30think of everything
43:33lives
43:34that he
43:34destroyed
43:35to mean
43:37think of everyone
43:38not only us
43:39that he killed
43:40I think
43:41that he was
43:42completely
43:42crazy
43:43he knows
43:46Herbert Merlin
43:47and
43:50he was
43:50and always
43:51it will be
43:51the schizophrenic
43:53paranoid
43:54and me
43:55I hope
43:56that God
43:57allow
43:58that he
43:59never leave
44:00from prison
44:00in 2011
44:02the request
44:02conditional
44:03by Herbert Merlin
44:04It was denied.
44:04he will be able to
44:06appeal again
44:06in 2021
44:07Brazilian version
44:10time films
44:11São Paulo
44:12and there
44:16and there
44:17and there
44:18Caption by Adriana Zanotto
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