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00:00you can call me a fool for believing you can call me a fool for talking about mary is god or
00:11even messing with mary like that you know you could say that and hey i understand because i
00:15feel like a fool i came just trying to find a place to fill my spirit i thought it was being
00:21the moment that i came to the conclusion that we had really gone to the dark side
00:30is when cameron told me that he had intercourse with mary on a saturday and not only did she get
00:38up there and preach to us on a sunday she put him up there too and all that was going on and i had
00:45no idea like i didn't know that she was like that as much as i know about her i didn't know that she
00:50would lay on her back with a member of our church i just know that if my grandmother was here
00:59none of this would be happening
01:01wow my favorite picture right there
01:17just an amazing woman rumor has it that this is me in this picture at a young age
01:27being born into a church where my grandmother was the pastor and the leader was very strict
01:38it was just all about no sin
01:42i refer to robert as my gramps it's because he was married to my grandmother for as long as i can
01:56remember my dad left when i was five and gramps he was just the father figure that mary and i never
02:04really had we had to revisit what we were to each other once he married my sister
02:09that's a different kind of person and the reality set in that i lost him
02:14it just upset me more than anything i didn't yeah so
02:20when the real housewives of salt lake city was announced mary being married to her step-grandfather
02:31was the only thing that people could talk about i am still not over the fact that she married
02:36basically her grandpa i don't care if he's her grandfather by blood or marriage the point is
02:41this is a man that used to sleep with her grandmother
02:44but in my reporting i discovered there was much more to the story
02:48robert was married to mary's grandmother mama mama was the founder and pastor of faith temple church
02:59when mama married robert he was about 20 years younger than her
03:03robert and mama never had any children of their own mama had mary's mother rosalyn from a previous
03:10marriage making mary robert step-granddaughter after mama died robert married mary robert was 20
03:20years older than mary together they took over mama's church faith temple
03:24if my grandmother saw me today she would be my number one cheerleader
03:30she would say mary keep up the good work i know that's what she'd say
03:34i don't think that the members of faith temple would agree with mary thinking mama would be proud of her
03:42knowing the state of the church today
03:45this is mama she's my grandmother faith temple was mama's church
03:54god called up that's why y'all here you have an ear to hear
04:00the faith temple provided a good foundation security safety we were very close back then
04:08it was like everybody in the church was family
04:12mama taught us love she taught us support
04:18and i want her story out there because robert and mary tainted mama
04:24i want the people to know the truth
04:29i absolutely believe that mary and robert are running a cult
04:33mary is responsible for destroying the church and the legacy that was attached to it
04:41former faith temple members had said that mary and robert
04:46ruined everything that mama built and so in order to understand where faith temple is today
04:53we need to go back and understand mama's history
04:56my name is dorothy shannon i'm 95 years old i was a member of the temple church for 76 years
05:12and mama was beginning of it i was mama's best friend we worked together as missionaries
05:20in indianapolis from 57 till 60 and the lord began speaking go to my city salt lake city
05:29cosby was a part-time preacher in indianapolis she knew nothing of utah
05:36only that god had souls for her to save in the west she was an indiana-born minister who set out on
05:43foot to salt lake city in 1961 she and her four children she told them she said well we're gonna walk
05:50she and her four children traveled by bus hitchhiked and walked to salt lake city
05:57pentecostal preacher brings a new voice to historically mormon salt lake city
06:10you're talking about a young black woman coming to a predominantly white state
06:16one of the women in indianapolis told her why are you going to salt lake city she said there's nothing
06:22out there but white folks and salt they didn't know anything about pentecostalism at first i didn't
06:28know about something see i didn't know anything about the west i never had been any place i just felt
06:34like i was a stranger in the morning and then there was white saints that came there was no color
06:42barriers there mama accepted all people if you were a soul and you loved god mama loved you
06:48mama began preaching from her living room which was known as the saint's house and these sermons were
06:57so loud sometimes that people just passing by would peek their head inside and become part of this
07:03grassroots movement this is how she grew her church from nothing into a bigger congregation
07:11outside of preaching mama was working housekeeping jobs and saving money in order to open up her
07:18first church in 1968 cosby built her first salt lake church on indiana street five times a week
07:25these cinder block walls came alive with the rocking sounds of mama
07:33don't you believe a church should be a quiet sacred kind of place usually they think you're supposed to be
07:38real quiet but uh we're narcy we believe in making a joyful noise into the law and that's what he's needed
07:46pentecostal is the receiving of the holy ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues they called us the holy rollers
07:56that's where that term came from the holy ghost is simply the spirit of god so it was prophesied that god
08:04would pour out his spirit upon all flesh and when you receive the holy ghost you allow god's spirit to go in
08:12you hands may be going up we've seen people shake we've seen people cry if something would end or i
08:21couldn't live it if i couldn't do it it's not religion it's salvation people are up praising god we're
08:29thanking god we're making that joyful noise unto the lord like james brown elvis tina turner they all got their
08:38background from the pentecostal church
08:46when mama started preaching she gradually took you to a place where it was high octane like you
08:53was being in contact with the divine she said she need a church home she wants to go down in jesus name
09:01she would show up to church and give everything
09:14mama was always doing things that would sustain faith temple mama wanted us to be established in a
09:22way where we didn't have to go outside to get money so my grandmother started opening up these small
09:29businesses that we had when mama arrived in salt lake city in the 1960s only one percent of the
09:35population was black it was a massively underserved community so when mama opened up a variety of
09:41businesses specifically geared towards the black residents people flocked to her businesses because
09:47there wasn't anything for them at that time everything that mama did was for the church
10:02although mama established faith temple in salt lake city she still remained connected to indianapolis
10:10she went back there for teachings that were known as tent meetings
10:14back in the 70s going back to indianapolis for the tent meetings that became like synonymous with faith
10:23temple the church was just growing like ridiculous we had a tent meeting in indianapolis indiana on the
10:30south side the least 40 to 50 converts that came back with us to utah that meeting
10:37and robert was one of them when robert cosby came to faith temple the arena changed he's a monster
10:58and robert came to salt lake i think around 72 or 73 mama she moved him into the guest room mama's approach
11:21was that she was a mother but he wasn't seeing it like that everybody
11:28somebody else kind of saw what mama did not see they were like that boy got it bad mama just wasn't
11:35having it she was kind of hung up on the age difference the age difference is about 20 years
11:41it wasn't an issue for the members in the church it was made clear to mama that the whole purpose of them
11:49getting together was because he was to finish the ministry that she had started and created
11:55in 1975 mama married robert cosby he said i was 22 years old when i married mary's grandmother whose
12:04granddaddy was i then and just so you know when robert senior and mary's grandmother got married
12:10mary was three years old after they got married he was made the bishop if he didn't love her he fooled me
12:19and i was right there with him he appeared he really loved mama but something happens afterwards
12:29my mom's relationship with robert he was this guy that he would do anything for but he has so many
12:37different sides to him you may see a guy who seems very pious and whatever else but you have to
12:44understand that at any given moment he can become anything i'll give an example when mary said i would
12:53say arrange marriage and if you notice he breathes in after that he says she said if anything ever
13:03happens to me bobby i want you to marry one of my girls because they'll look out for you and he goes into
13:10that mode things didn't happen to me it'd be more than a daughter and it's like okay he was angry
13:19robert cosby was like jekyll and hyde
13:27this is demetrius my brother here and this is me
13:32and of course this is my mom at three weeks old i was adopted by her robert cosby adopted demetrius and
13:42i as well demetrius is my natural brother we thought that he was always our father ever since we were
13:49little kids i hated him i couldn't stand him if you look real close you could see my brother's hand
13:57on my shoulder pulling me back to protect us
14:06he used to have some meetings called the brotherhood
14:09robert and some other elders would have meetings with all the young boys in the church every saturday
14:18he was trying to teach us to be man he'd go out he'd make us do push-ups and he'd make us run around
14:29the church and keep us up all day literally all day and it started becoming
14:38abusive he would make us hold books up out like this and then he would have us run in place
14:53you know because he was in the military and some other elders were in the military so they were
14:59putting that in us as kids
15:01for example taking a pin and putting it under your knees so you wouldn't
15:22anyway it's a memory
15:31yeah okay you got me on that one so
15:37your knees wouldn't hit this pan
15:40or it's sticky obviously
15:45uh i remember a kid
15:48and he couldn't do a push-up or a sit-up and i remember one of the guys one of the elders
15:53kicked them you kicked the kid
16:04it was all in the premise of god holiness in hell and mama didn't know because she had nothing to do
16:12with that we felt that if she found out that he was doing these things to us that it would end up
16:18ultimately hurting her so we felt we were taking one as they say kind of taking one for the team
16:23that was until demetrius spilled the beans on them demetrius said okay mom i don't want to go to
16:30the meat because they're beating on us he said we have to do dying cockroaches while they hold needles
16:34under our legs punching us and he just told everything and the look on her face
16:41i i can't even describe it it was it was hurt there was anger it was almost like it just took her gut
16:52out she said bobby is is that true what they're telling me no i'm just trying no potatoes they
16:58exaggerating they exaggerating and she says those meetings are done and then she just sent us
17:05she said y'all go downstairs and i don't know what the conversation was after that
17:20mind control cult leaders want total control over their followers in mind control cults especially when
17:31it comes to children it's horrendous that corporal punishment is often used to hit children with a belt
17:42with a paddle striking them which we now know creates trauma but it's this cultivation that you better
17:51follow the rules or else there'll be violence there is a line in the bible spare the rod spoil the
18:01child so that verse is taken out of context to mean do it literally but it's a very important point
18:09because it's creating dependence and obedience the more i go down the mary cosby rabbit hole the
18:17crazier the story gets mary is estranged from her mother
18:31when i was younger i had five siblings and we never had enough i mean i was there i grew up poor and so
18:37i felt like you know i didn't say that mary says a lot of things and it's just contradictory to the way
18:45that we were raised and the way that we we came up i mean we were on the welfare and we didn't have
18:51anything and it just the the struggle was always there don't get on tv talking about you had money
18:57because you know that that's not the case
19:01in 1972 mama's daughter rosalyn gave birth to mary mary had a difficult relationship with her mom
19:09though both remained part of the church when she was around 19 20 years old her and her mom had a
19:16falling out mama played a central role in raising mary why are you called mama really god called me mom
19:25that's that was the starting of it and i'm an overseer of a group of people and they're more like my
19:32too one thing that me and mary have in common is my grandmother was more of a mother figure to us our
19:41mother is rosalyn kazares we don't have a relationship with her i just don't remember her being around a
19:50lot she was a young mom and my father had left when my mom felt like she couldn't control a situation
20:00my grandmother would move in and really help
20:09well there's myself mary yeah this was a group that we used to sing in cosby and company mary was
20:19annoying i'm i i just have to be honest mary was a troublemaker and she needed a lot of attention
20:29she was wild she would run away from home a lot so we get the call from mama look for mary she's gone
20:39again troublemaker man
20:45you seem to like dudes with reputation and a little bit of money mary's always been a materialistic female
20:53that was her type of guy back there unfortunately i had a lot of young female friends that i get phone calls
21:02we're looking for your cousin what's going on now
21:09i can recall one instance where mary had caused some trouble between some of the other students and
21:15she began to follow me home and she runs up behind me and she says i need to walk with you i need to
21:21walk with you i think these girls want to jump me mary kept nonsense going on there's a difference when
21:26you enroll in school versus attending attending class was not on her agenda it seems like there was
21:33always some kind of manipulation or scandal on mary's behalf you know there's some people everywhere
21:39they go they start a fire right i feel like she's one of those people she just was all about herself
21:46and all about the men around her that could do something for her she tended to lean on me
21:55when we became adults mary came to live with me i got up to go to work one day and my car was gone
22:04it's one thing to take somebody's car for a night but then she took it for two weeks and i had to go
22:10find her she was doing stuff that was bringing a reproach on the church my grandmother knew and she
22:20couldn't continue to let mary get away with that which is why she got disfellowshipped
22:29most churches have some way to excommunicate people if they
22:33you know do things that they're not supposed to be doing we call it disfellowshipped and it just
22:37means that you can come and listen and watch but you're not allowed to participate in the service
22:44until you find your way back to god it was 1997. i remember robert calling me
23:03crying and i was like what what what he said danny she left me and he didn't know what to do
23:13i remember him saying he was distraught
23:18i just kept saying it'll be all right it'll be all right
23:22yeah it was probably the most devastating thing i've ever experienced in my life
23:26mary had a real hard time even just being at my grandmother's going away just sitting there knowing
23:39that she was disfellowshipped in the state that she was in it was really hard for her i remember
23:44personally her just being really down mama was everything to us she was the glue she was definitely the glue
24:02when mama passed away it was like the blanket got lifted and then all the ugly
24:08and then all the monsters came out and when they came out there was no one there to check any of it
24:17the expectation as far as a succession plan was bishop robert cosby would take over and
24:25continue teaching us and continue teaching us because he was her husband you want to be safe
24:31no trust who trust me
24:35i know you trust god but you trust god trust me
24:44it seemed like he was doing that maybe the first few months
24:49and then all the problems started after that the reality was he never got to see himself
24:58as an equal until my grandmother left and then he didn't know what to do
25:02that's where mary got into the picture i thought that the story was that your grandmother before she
25:09died said she wanted your current husband your then grandfather to marry you to replace her so basically
25:17robert senior was 20 years younger than my grandmother my grandmother felt like she robbed
25:23his youth and so she says if something ever happens i want you to marry one of my girls because i
25:28know they'll be loyal to you and treat you good like you treated me mary cosby was kicked out of the
25:34church the mama the grandmother wanted her out of the church like get your life together this doesn't
25:42make sense nothing makes sense rigamortis didn't even pick in before mary started walking down the
25:48aisle with her grandfather but why would mary want to marry her step-grandfather and why would he
25:54aside from maybe being creepy want to marry his step-granddaughter hmm the day that i went to my
26:05grandmother's services i picked mary up and mary was disfellowshipped i just remember me and her had a
26:13conversation about it and i think gramps went on this mission to try to revive her spiritually next
26:23you know she's in his house and they're doing god knows what robert he was devastated he had just lost
26:30the love of his life and then you've got this young girl who is her granddaughter who is consoling
26:36him i mean he told us they went to dinner every night and she'd make him talk about mama and it helped
26:43heal him i remember my gramps bought mary a bmw random okay you know there's like 25 grandchildren
26:53i'm right here i'll you know wait for mine but anyway she was showing him a new way of
27:00living in christianity you know the things that we just weren't doing you know like the drinking
27:05and stuff it's also alleged that the congregation was starting to talk and take notice that mary was
27:10spending so much time with bishop cosby you are a young woman and you're not some naive little girl
27:20how robert all of a sudden decided that he's supposed to marry mary i don't know where that came from
27:28when my grandmother left she left me her empire homes churches daycares a mortgage company restaurants
27:38including her husband
27:42some of the things that she's saying about it being an inheritance which is one of the biggest lies that
27:50she told she every time she opens her mouth she's telling the story but more importantly for him to allow
27:57her to get on tv and say mama wanted her to have this and that and the other he knows better it made
28:06people uncomfortable and then he started using god he started bringing god into it and asking different
28:12members is god talking to you about him marrying mary i was like what
28:16my gramps called me up and asked me if the lord is telling me anything about him and mary he was
28:27saying that god was telling him to marry my sister it was like okay this is weird the only thing that i
28:36said to him i said do i still get to call you gramps it was almost like is this guy crazy now he goes
28:42there's no relation we're not related i said i know we're not related that's common sense but that's
28:48your granddaughter and he said don't worry god will make it plain to you the biggest thing that i would
28:55say in my mind horrifies me is that mary was married at the time did you know that mary cosby was
29:05allegedly married before she married robert why would mama want mary to marry bob senior if divorce
29:13isn't allowed in their church the pieces aren't fitting if anybody sold they sold for money this
29:19is it right here
29:24suzanne from detroit michigan said mary there are rumors online that say you were allegedly married before
29:30marrying your step-grandfather is there any truth to this yeah did you leave your husband to marry your
29:35step-granddaddy no i did not leave my husband he no in the reunion show when mary's asked about
29:41her first marriage she gets flustered when pressed about the timeline of when that marriage ended and
29:47when she started things up with robert did you divorce him to marry your step-grandfather we got
29:54divorced because he
29:58we just got divorced for irrevocable differences just put it that way and it had nothing to do with
30:03robert's a year nothing mary isn't being entirely truthful about the timeline of her divorce in her
30:10marriage to robert i found that she got a divorce from her first husband september 8th of 1998.
30:18a new marriage certificate was issued to mary and robert september 27th of 1998. so 19 days later
30:27after she's granted her after she's granted her divorce she marries robert the timeline shows there
30:32was some crossover happening mary's not telling the full story about what happened
30:41dana is mary's first husband he loved the mess out of mary
30:48she wasn't ready to get married and she's always been one that is after money right and he certainly
30:56didn't have any money she went from struggling with dana to overnight going to fancy restaurants
31:05with robert mary's kink is money it's not even really power he wanted mary all he had to do was show
31:12us some cash you show mary some cash and you're king i just think that her motive was lifestyle related
31:28gramps and mary were trying to do something so they had this whole meeting on dana
31:33they really set up the narrative like the reason why mary went through that whole disfellowship thing and
31:41all that was really because of him because he doesn't want her close to god and he's jealous of
31:47her anointing he was just basically ridiculed in front of the entire church and being accused that
31:55he hates mary and being told to say it it was two or three hours of just beating him down dana's been a
32:04member of this church his whole life he was chastised he was rebuked humiliated
32:09all i know is with mama that meeting wouldn't have took place mama loved dana she would have never
32:18done that i think robert mary did it to dana because they had decided they were going to get married
32:25they had to get rid of him we had a meeting on a friday saturday morning they were at
32:33dana's house with divorce papers for him to sign
32:44i was against gramps and mary getting married i spent a lot of time with this internal torment
32:51thinking i was going to hell
32:54there was this element of if you go against mary and robert you are going against god and therefore
33:01your salvation is at risk they put this fear on you god's going to replace you god don't want
33:07everybody you know you're hearing stuff like that she made god like the boogeyman you know he's gonna
33:13get you if you have an opinion about something if you don't agree with something then you are the outcast
33:22and you are of the devil and you are stopping god's progression they did all of that so gramps and mary
33:30could get together very cult-like mind control cults if they're religious they typically like to use god
33:41or the divine as a weapon or a tool of complete control and domination there are those religious
33:50figures who emphasize love god with all your heart mind and strength god bless y'all i love y'all
33:57y'all know i do don't you so it's a love doctrine but these mind control cults are focusing on the fear
34:06and domination notion of god that unless you do what you're supposed to do you're gonna get wiped out
34:13a lot noah and the flood the use of god as the omnipotent power that's going to harm people is just
34:23a reflection of phobia indoctrination so they emphasize fear and control rumors begin swirling
34:32at faith temple that robert and mary are planning to get married robert's telling everyone this is god's
34:38plan that god wants him to marry mary meanwhile mary's mother rosalyn is adamantly against this
34:49and it will come to a head at what's known as the walkout service it was out of control it's wild west
35:05say god save them there was a walkout service where rozzy cazaris mary's mother came in and
35:18got up in the pulpit
35:19they had been trying to convince my mom that
35:33mary and my gramps were supposed to get married and my my my mom wasn't having it
35:38none of you didn't call it that's my side of the story you just went against me because you got
35:43something in your heart anyway
35:47she's supposed to bring in the choir so they can sing but they came in like because of war zone
35:53and as she stood there she pounded and stomped and held her mic and this church is coming down
35:59she had a group with her and i mean there was people that i had loved and they looked at us
36:11as if we were just pure enemies members that were with her were arguing with members that were with
36:16him and this was going on in a service they were name calling and hints of violence you know i remember
36:29people getting hit with umbrellas so i called the police and i tell them there's a riot and they
36:35stormed down the aisle they turned just mean i mean there was people pushing people out of seats you
36:53know moving people and shoving and like getting in people's faces and it was horrifying
37:08it shows like the dramatic effect that robert making that decision to mary mary had on the church
37:15it's not anything that my grandmother would have approved of you know i know he's not blood but it
37:24is incest because he's the only grandfather that we really knew
37:30just straight sodom and gomorrah so now it's no longer melma's church what everyone knew and loved
37:38as faith temple like faith temple had completely changed it has new leadership and two new branches
37:43that don't with each other at all this is the craziest story on housewives it has to be
37:54my grandson mary got married in a private ceremony i just decided if i'm gonna be here i'm gonna wait
38:06and see what happens you know what are they gonna do so i waited to see
38:13shortly after the announcement of marriage it's mary is now the choir director you're rolling mary into
38:21positions of power and you know you're telling mary that she's over these elders who have been in this
38:27church for years because she's my wife he said this one is going to come back in the form of mama
38:35and that's when the trouble started
38:39i said did you know moment well then you ought to know me
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