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The Cult of the Real Housewife - Season 1 Episode 3 -
A Message of Fear and Contro
A Message of Fear and Contro
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00:00When the Faith Temple congregation found out that Mary and Robert were going to get married,
00:29it caused a huge fracture among the congregation.
00:41Mary's mother, Rosalyn, ends up leaving, and half the congregation walk out the door with her.
00:49The other half that remained were loyal to Robert and Mary,
00:52and so that's where the church physically splits in half.
00:59Mary's mother, Rosalyn, then starts her own church with the congregation members that left Faith Temple with her.
01:05My mom had a fit because she wanted the church. She wanted my grandmother's place.
01:11Mary Cosby says that her family was so jealous because she was the chosen one.
01:17My mom felt like she was the one that should have been Mary Robertson here.
01:24I don't believe it.
01:26So today I'm excited to be joined by Mary's mother, Rosalyn Cazares, and her stepfather, Mark Cazares, to hear their side of the story.
01:33I come to find out Mary Cosby's mother watches Up and Atom on YouTube.
01:39So I reached out to have a conversation.
01:42On the show, Mary says that Mama chose Mary as the chosen one to take over the church and marry Robert Cosby Sr.
01:50That's not true.
01:51That's not true.
01:52But Mary believed that because she was manipulated by Robert.
01:55Rosalyn and Mark feel like Robert Cosby was a much older man who had a very heavy influence.
02:01Mary was the young, beautiful 20-something that got caught up. She's a victim.
02:08And all the lies that he told were to maintain the structure of the church and the finances.
02:13I think that they felt like Robert Cosby was able to persuade Mary into a new life.
02:20By the way, here's a couple hundred thousand dollars. And it's your birthday. Here's a brand new BMW to go with.
02:26A much wealthier life.
02:33When my grandmother passed, people didn't know what to do. She was the head of our church.
02:39We believe in a true living God.
02:41So I just got up and I thought there was something pulling me that this is what you're supposed to do.
02:48Whether people like it, whether they accept it, whether your mom is okay with it.
02:52I knew I had to do it.
02:54But after Mama's death, when Mary steps in, there's a clear shift that happened.
03:00Things turned up a notch.
03:02They started using their position in the church to chastise members, lecturing them from the pulpit in front of the whole congregation.
03:10Isolation became more frequent.
03:15You can't talk to other members who left with Rosalyn.
03:19Everything just becomes a little bit more intense, according to members.
03:23That's when Faith Temple starts looking like a cult.
03:34Faith Temple, it just started becoming very strange.
03:37They put a camera right in the middle of the church so they could sit and watch everything that was going on.
03:48There were times when Robert and Mary were out of town in either her residence in New York or her residence in Florida.
03:55So Mary had cameras set up.
03:57Mary would watch the people in the service.
04:02She would send a messenger down and they're giving people messages that she doesn't like what she feels.
04:08What's wrong with you?
04:09Stop thinking you're cute.
04:11You're not cute.
04:12And people would get phone calls based on what she witnessed over that surveillance.
04:17Mama has done it in the past and that's going to try to be their little justification.
04:24Mama watched the service to see who preached and how well they did and get encouraged off of it.
04:29Oh, they get beautiful.
04:31That's what that it was to keep an eye out on people.
04:42If you wanted to confess at Faith Temple, you could write a letter.
04:47With Mama, she may address it with you at a later time and she may not.
04:53With Robert and Mary, they would deal with confessions a lot of times by public humiliation.
05:02The confession itself would be brought out in front of the entire church.
05:08The tone in their voice would be anger and it would be like getting after your child.
05:15They did something really rotten and you're just setting them straight.
05:20I remember this one girl that I love dearly.
05:23She had relations with somebody else in the church.
05:26And Mary came to me and blurted it out that this girl had been doing this.
05:31Just the deepest, darkest things that you would tell somebody, they're in turn telling people what's being told to them.
05:39The members became very, very separate because after they heard something that you had confessed, they might completely avoid you.
05:46They may not even say hi to you.
05:48Pretty soon you got to the point where there was very few people that you socialized with, that you talked to, that you trusted.
05:56I've seen surveillance and public confession used by a number of different cults.
06:06Surveillance is used in mind control groups as a device to gather information about what members are talking about in order to identify potential problem people.
06:18Public confessions are used to not only use personal information that people are ashamed of, but to shame them publicly to the group in order to break their egos down.
06:33It's a message of fear as well as control to all the other members because you better stay in line, otherwise it could happen to you next.
06:43My own cousin, my first cousin, his best friend is terrified.
06:49Wait, what?
06:51People are saying that she's a cult leader, that she has them on food stamps.
06:57While looking into allegations that surfaced on the show, I spoke to Faith Temple members who laid out a series of accusations that depicted a form of financial abuse.
07:06Some congregation members were expected to work for free for Mary and Robert to be at the house, to be their maids, to do chores for them.
07:14They were expected to donate their time and their lives to the church and to Mary and Robert.
07:19In early 2000, before Mikel passed, I lived with Robert and Mary and worked in their home.
07:29Working for Robert and Mary started because I started to accept Mary's position as Robert's wife and now first lady of the church.
07:42So in between jobs, I would, you know, try to help them.
07:45My full-time responsibilities were housekeeping and running errands, kind of like a personal assistant.
07:50In the five years that I worked for Robert and Mary, I was never paid.
07:59I was collecting unemployment at one stage and I guess that was what they thought I would live on.
08:05But no, I wasn't paid.
08:08I was more like a slave plantation.
08:10Mary and Robert did very little for themselves.
08:19They had people cleaning, they had people doing, you know, bills.
08:22They had people doing grocery shopping.
08:24But it's much different than what appears in the show.
08:27Will you pay Charlene Taylor to bring my tray?
08:33Hey, uh, Charlene, bring Mary's tray, please.
08:36Wherever you're at.
08:37My sister, Pat, worked at the house for many, many years.
08:47We're getting bad times in here, we're going to get a call stuff over.
08:53Pat and I became friends when we worked in Robert and Mary's home.
08:58I recall times Robert and Mary talked to Pat so badly.
09:02Things like, you're a slave, you're going to work here until you die.
09:08Because if you don't, you're going to die anyway.
09:12And you're going to hell.
09:15Pat would take insults.
09:17Pat was called a liar and a thief.
09:19But this almost 80-year-old woman still believed what Robert and Mary had embedded in her.
09:31I remember Pat told me one time something, she wouldn't go into any detail, but she was crying profusely.
09:38And I said, Pat, what happened?
09:40She said, today was so bad.
09:41She said, just so bad.
09:43And I said, bad how?
09:45She said, I just wish I could go to sleep and not wake up.
09:47Until she didn't.
09:48In mind control cults, for the member to be asked to do free labor by the leader who claims to be God, or claims to be God's representative on earth.
10:10It's viewed as an honor that you're special and like giving over your money.
10:20This is another form of getting people to sacrifice and invest themselves further.
10:26And if you don't do what you're told to do, you're often punished.
10:31My brother, Don, gave very heavily to the church.
10:38The push for money never stopped.
10:48My brother, Don, they were after his money with a vengeance.
10:52It aggravated me.
10:54It aggravated me a lot.
10:56I love fashion.
10:57Also, you have to understand that the Housewives of Salt Lake City was airing at this time.
11:02I'm running out of spaces.
11:03I'm actually going to, I'm going to buy a place just to put my clothes, like an apartment.
11:07Can you believe that?
11:08So I was watching that and going, what?
11:10You know.
11:11So at that point, you had no idea the wealth that Robert and Mary had.
11:16I had no idea.
11:18So I told my brother, listen, I don't want you to keep giving large amounts like this.
11:22Pretty soon your money will be gone.
11:24He was a bus driver.
11:26How much money did he have?
11:28And then all of a sudden, Mary called me up and kicked me out of the church.
11:33I felt like a person without a country.
11:41That's how bad it is.
11:43You know, you feel like God has rejected you.
11:46And then when my sister Pat died, I was informed that I was not allowed to come to her funeral services.
11:55I think it was one last assault that they could put on me.
12:02It was one last assault.
12:05Robert and Mary absolutely drive wedges between family members, friends.
12:12Not to be able to go to their funeral is criminal.
12:19You're not even allowed to show your last respect for this person you've known your whole life.
12:27My own sister.
12:29I mean, look how old I am.
12:31And I can't show my family respect when they pass away.
12:36It's unbelievable, the pain.
12:40Unbelievable.
12:42In mind control groups, the goal is always to create dependent, obedient followers.
12:55And so the leadership does not want allegiance horizontally to family members, friends, at all.
13:04They want that allegiance to be vertical to them.
13:08There's a tremendous amount of interpersonal manipulation and control.
13:13So if there's a family, for example, and one person's questioning and not wanting to just blindly obey,
13:21they will often segregate that person, punish them, and threaten the other people to get that person in line or else.
13:32It breaks down the normal relations, emotional ties of a family.
13:42In Fay Temple, under Robert and Mary, you destroy your family to put Robert and Mary first.
13:48I was extremely close to Mary for a good 10 years.
13:58Very early on, Robert and Mary invited me on a trip with them to California.
14:05When we were at the hotel, the three of us were out on this balcony just looking at the ocean.
14:11At one point, Mary went in the room and I talked to Robert.
14:16Really, we were actually even talking about God's creation and just how beautiful it was.
14:21That was that. And I didn't think anything of it.
14:26After the whole trip was over and we got back in town, Robert and Mary called me.
14:33And she brings up when we were on the balcony, she said it was like she wasn't even there.
14:37And it was like, I wanted her life.
14:38That means I want her husband too, because I want all of it.
14:41And I was just, I was shocked.
14:45Robert was my husband's grandfather.
14:46That's the way I looked at him.
14:48But I did love him as my bishop.
14:50And he said that that's what happens sometimes is people get their love confused.
14:55You just have to work on it.
14:56I know that under the LDS church, if a member is having an issue, they'll meet with their bishop.
15:05But the way Robert and Mary did it was different.
15:09Robert would call and say, you need to come up the house.
15:12That's when my real counseling sessions began.
15:18They would refer to jealousy and be and lust as Satan's trait.
15:23And so you had to work on yourself to get rid of those.
15:27Robert would say, do you love me or are you in love with me?
15:30And so I'd say, of course, I love you. You're my bishop.
15:33But no, I'm not in love with you.
15:36Robert said, you're getting your love confused because you're in love with me.
15:40I trusted Robert.
15:44And so I was asking God, I said, you know, Lord, help me see if I'm doing something that I don't realize.
15:53Mind control cults use gaslighting to disorient people from having confidence in their perceptions, in their beliefs, in their experiences.
16:03So, for example, a cult leader can say something one minute and an hour later say, I never said that confidently.
16:13And for the person who thinks that's a person of God, he couldn't lie.
16:18So there must be something wrong with me.
16:21The problem is always with the member, never with the leader.
16:24There was plenty of times where I was close to leaving.
16:34And the next thing you know, there was a lot of, you know, dropping of love bombs.
16:39It was as if they could tell.
16:42They needed to, like, show me love again and give me hope spiritually and all of that.
16:48And I kept making excuses for them.
16:50But then things with Robert got more frequent and more intense.
17:00I'm getting phone calls and text messages to come up to the house.
17:04And it just got to where it was almost every day.
17:07I mean, there was fear, literal fear.
17:10Mary and Robert would text me regularly at work.
17:16And if you don't answer right when they call or respond to a text within minutes, then you're going to get a flow of text messages.
17:23Roberts would say stuff like, oh, now you're ignoring me.
17:26Or I know you're not in a meeting.
17:28You better call me back, young lady.
17:31And Mary's would just rant how horrible I am and how I'm the worst friend ever.
17:36And just all kinds of things.
17:39I'm better than you.
17:40If you have something to say, it's better you say it to my face.
17:43The way Mary treats people on Even Housewives.
17:46I don't need all the fake inductions in my face to make my face look like whatever.
17:50And I don't need tummy tucks and faceless and eyebrow lifts and breast implants.
17:54When Mary was sending those text messages to Whitney, she has no idea.
17:58Everything is fake.
17:59I've never had plastic surgery, never.
18:01I don't need it like you do.
18:02Like, she got a tip of what Mary's capable of.
18:06When it comes to that step.
18:07I have donated to her church.
18:09Why are you going out of your way to hurt me?
18:11The depth of low that she'll go as far as really wanting to hurt somebody.
18:16They have no idea what she's capable of.
18:20If I saw their name on the phone, I would get full-blown physical anxiety.
18:26When I look back and I can rewind it as a story, it's like the way it just evolved more and more and more and more.
18:31It was like torture.
18:34Once smartphones and social media got established, the entire manipulation of the mind went to a whole nother level.
18:45With texting, groups can mind control people throughout the day.
18:50So, smartphones are the ultimate mind control devices.
18:55And that's why we shouldn't be dependent and obedient to this device.
19:01The people on the other side of the device using it to influence our minds.
19:06Kim would be up there at the house seven days a week.
19:12I always wanted to go up to the house, but they never included me with them.
19:17And I felt that they were just kind of pulling her away.
19:20My marriage was not bad to where I did not want to be home.
19:24They turned it into if I went home, I was putting Danny above God.
19:30And that me going up to the house was what God wanted.
19:34And then later, they started involving my daughters.
19:38And my daughters start now going up to their house.
19:42It felt like a total separation.
19:45Like Danny's over there and now Kim and the girls are over here.
19:50And if I said something against what they were doing, then I'm the off one or I'm the one that's the devil.
20:00What are you doing?
20:03Nothing.
20:05As far as my life and our life is when the turmoil started.
20:10Where my daughters didn't really know me and I lost track of our marriage.
20:19It became hell.
20:21The whole situation put a huge strain on my marriage.
20:25They could have had us both around.
20:26That would have been fine.
20:27But very seldom was there a couple at their house.
20:30It was always one or the other.
20:32Because it was always about division.
20:34So now every time Robert and I talked, we would argue, we would fuss.
20:40And Kim then would look at me like I'm crazy.
20:43Like how dare I talk to this bishop like this.
20:46I'm in the dome right now.
20:48Are you hired?
20:49One Sunday, I decided to stop at the church.
20:54When service was over, Robert asked for people to go get prayer.
20:59So I went down and he came and he put his hand on my head and shoved me with his hand.
21:07I remember falling back about three steps and I looked at him real odd and I'm like, really?
21:17Later on, Mary sends me a text message that the whole church witnessed God leaving you.
21:23And it was that day that Mary believed that there was no way for me to ever get back in the church.
21:30When that happened, I knew I was done.
21:34I never went back to the church.
21:36And that was right when Housewives came out.
21:38If you come for me, I will send Jesus after you.
21:51When I spoke with former Faith Temple members, they described how Mary and Robert use this idea of heaven and hell to control people.
22:01The Christian belief is that to go to heaven, you have to accept Jesus Christ as your savior.
22:08And the only way to heaven is through the gospel, through Jesus.
22:12Robert and Mary then began to use Mary as this conduit to salvation.
22:19It was drilled into congregation members that you need to accept Mary as a spokesperson for God.
22:28And the only way to heaven is through the preachings of Mary.
22:33And so they needed to also please Mary and Robert.
22:37Otherwise, you're going to be condemned to hell.
22:40There's the love.
22:45Y'all love me.
22:48Mary was doing this whole Real Housewives thing.
22:50And I think she seen the writing on the wall of those who would go for it and those who wouldn't.
22:59And I would be in the category of somebody who would not be okay with that.
23:03So they just start doing things to drive me out of the church.
23:07The instance that really started a downward spiral for me is that my knees are bad.
23:14My knees are bad and my knees have been bad since I was eight.
23:17I was born with a deformity where they pop out of socket.
23:21My gramps was up there teaching Bible class and the power got hit and then I started reacting.
23:29The next thing I know, I was in the aisle with no legs working.
23:33I looked up in the pulpit at them and they were laughing at me.
23:38I was just shocked at the level of manipulation that they had going on.
23:43Things just started getting worse and worse.
23:47Why are you telling you all that? You know you ain't.
23:50She's my pastor and my sister.
23:53I felt like this is torture, but this is what it's going to take for me to get into heaven.
23:58So it was just a vicious cycle of humiliation.
24:03Eventually, I just started having a mental breakdown.
24:16It became very hard to sit under the gramps and Mary.
24:20I'm doing all I can do to be saved, but it's not good enough for them.
24:24So just the manipulation of that.
24:28It was the beginning of the decline for me.
24:31I just felt like literally the devil was in the room just laughing at me.
24:35Saying everything that you've done, it was for naught.
24:37You've just wasted your time.
24:39I mean, the devil straight told me to commit suicide.
24:44And then next thing you know, I heard the Lord say,
24:48Look up, your redemption draweth nigh.
24:49In other words, I could see the light and I heard something speak to me and say it's a cult.
24:56And so I've left the church.
25:00Being able to snap out of what I was in and walk out of there intact is just, you know, amazing to me.
25:07Because people don't get out.
25:13The whole notion of heaven and hell is something that's been around for a long time in Christianity and other world religions.
25:21But in mind control cults, it really is very intensified that only in this group can you go to heaven.
25:30Unlike legitimate churches, the members are trained to believe their leader is the gateway to God.
25:39And those that follow are going with me to live with Jesus.
25:48So there's an enormous amount of rejection that people give to that person.
25:53And they're trained to be blindly obedient and dependent on that person.
26:00If you don't do exactly what they tell you, you're disobeying God and you risk your salvation, you're going to be damned for eternity.
26:07The people that were watching Real Housewives were like, we love Mary because she's funny, she's cute, she's quirky.
26:19Then when Robert Cosby came on the show, he was very angry.
26:25That's when it got real for the audience.
26:28Were you hesitant when Mary said that she wanted to join the show?
26:34Very much.
26:35You was?
26:36No, you wasn't.
26:37For me?
26:38No, you was not.
26:39Yes, for me.
26:40I knew everything that's happening right now was going to happen.
26:45On other Real Housewives franchises, all the husbands would be present.
26:50And Robert Cosby kind of pulled back.
26:52What's really going on?
26:58One day, Robert called, and now Danny's literally right next to me.
27:09I mean, he can hear the phone call.
27:11I was listening to this conversation, wondering what the world is going on.
27:17He was saying the weirdest things I've ever heard from a pastor and from somebody who's supposed to be my granddad.
27:29He's saying to Kim, if I fly you to Las Vegas, would you come?
27:35I'm like, what?
27:37He's kept saying, tell me you love me.
27:39And Kim said, no, sir.
27:43So he got really mad.
27:44I said, you call me back when you can talk.
27:50I hung up the phone and I said to Danny, something is wrong with him.
27:54It was like a relief that I actually said it out loud that I knew this is not normal.
27:59Looking back on it, I just see how it was just a game.
28:02Because then if I would have said yes, I mean, who knows?
28:06I learned later that I wasn't the only person that he was doing this to.
28:11I spoke with another person that was under them and she showed me text messages.
28:18It was like all of a sudden a chain was ripped off me.
28:22And it literally freed me.
28:25This is just who he is.
28:26It has nothing to do with me.
28:28And so I left Faye Temple completely.
28:37So today we're going to do part four of Unmasking Mary's Cult.
28:42Let's talk about Robert alleged coming on to other women in the church.
28:47Some of the ex-cult members contacted me and shared their experience, what went on at Faith Temple.
28:54Talking about Robert coming on to them.
29:00And these people were crying.
29:03Some didn't feel strong enough to talk.
29:06I would talk to victims that would cry on my shoulder and tell me their stories, what happened to them.
29:13But they didn't want to come forward.
29:17You go to the leader of the church because you're going through a hard time.
29:21So you're very vulnerable.
29:24But then you get hit on.
29:26It took a toll on the victims till this day.
29:30Well, my message is that if it's out publicly, you could prevent this from happening to someone else.
29:37You can do a lot of stuff in the dark.
29:38But when people start to realize what's going on, it's not so easy.
29:46The world is watching you now.
29:49When I think about cult leaders, they all want power, money and sex.
29:55Sex is not about love with a cult leader. It's about power.
29:59They want complete control over a person and there's no accountability.
30:06If they do something wrong, they never admit that they did anything wrong.
30:10Because these people think they're above the law.
30:13I published my investigation in September of 2021 for the Daily Beast.
30:25This was the first time where you heard from multiple church members saying that they believe Faith Temple under Mary and Robert was a cult.
30:32I cannot believe Miss Mary Cosby.
30:50Is it a cult? Where was she getting all her money from?
30:53It did pick up chatter questioning Mary, questioning Robert and asking, is this really a cult?
31:01Will the show actually address these accusations?
31:04And then Mary skips the reunion.
31:19Mary Cosby did not attend the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City Season 2 reunion.
31:25The controversial Housewives skipped the annual end of season showdown.
31:29The reunion, it's a chance for everyone to take accountability.
31:33Delia from New Orleans said, I've heard rumors that there's a support group for ex-members of Mary's church.
31:39Does anyone know if this is true?
31:41It's true. It's 100% true.
31:43I've had ex-members of her congregation come up to me and say that I have it right, that we have it right.
31:48Okay.
31:50By Mary dipping out, she wasn't held accountable for what she did or the accusations.
31:55At this point, it was like an avalanche coming down on her and Robert and she just didn't want to sit in the hot seat.
32:03Honestly, I am in shock. I cannot believe she just completely ditched the reunion.
32:08Would she be coming back next season?
32:11People began kind of saying, well, maybe there is some truth to this because she didn't want to answer questions.
32:15It's clear that Mary will not be returning back for season three.
32:28It's like, yeah, good riddance. You should not be a part of this show.
32:30After Mary leaves the Real Housewives of Salt Lake City in season two, she kind of goes dark and we don't hear too much about her.
32:38Until season four rolls around, she pops up in a limited role and then she's welcomed back onto the show fully for season five.
32:45We got Mary back. This is historical.
32:56I love this new Mary.
32:58I ate dirt.
33:00Season five, you won't recognize Mary Cosby. Why? Because she doesn't want to talk about what we all want to hear about.
33:05Did I see the contract? No. But from what I gather, she didn't want to talk about her husband.
33:11Oh, that's so good.
33:12I had no clue that there is like an upscale beer.
33:15She didn't want to talk about her church.
33:17Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
33:24Like, what are we doing?
33:25What are we doing?
33:26So what you have to do if there are the two main plot lines that you don't want to talk about?
33:31Well, it's easy. Then you have to engage.
33:34It'll be okay.
33:35I know. I don't mean to be emotional.
33:36It'll be okay. That's so normal. Like, you're normal. You're human.
33:40I want to come on here and just express my appreciation and my love for Mary Cosby.
33:45My complete viewpoint on her has changed.
33:48She's genuinely opening up and I feel like we know her a lot better this year.
33:55Mary, like, honestly brought humanity to the show.
33:58And I think they need to keep paying Mary whatever they're paying her. Give her a raise.
34:03Mary turns back up on season five like nothing ever happened.
34:07And she doesn't really address why she was absent for season three or ditches the reunion.
34:12There's a new storyline, a new plot, and everything from before is just forgotten about.
34:17The internet really does have the memory of a goldfish.
34:20Everyone's carrying on about how much they love Mary Cosby
34:23and how she's the best housewife of all time.
34:27Hello?
34:29She definitely gets a huge pass because she's not been reprimanded.
34:37Where I stand on Mary is that she can do whatever she wants.
34:44And I'm here to support whatever her endeavors are here for it.
34:49I don't support her being a cult leader if that's what's going on, but I love watching her.
34:54Despite all the allegations and scandal, Mary's fully back into the spotlight.
34:59The final kind of accusation, allegation out there about you is that the church is some sort of cult.
35:06It's like ridiculous.
35:07Clearly, I'm not going to get on national television.
35:10Be it a housewife, it'd be it a cult.
35:12I think when anyone says, oh, why would I do this?
35:16It's a little bit of a deflection.
35:19For the congregation members, there's a lot of hurt and unresolved feelings there from Mary and Robert in their time at Faith Temple.
35:26So they wanted apologies that there was harm, that they don't speak to family members, that they did drain resources from them.
35:34And Mary kind of brushing it all off and saying, oh, it's not a cult, why would I run a cult?
35:39It doesn't actually get to what they were upset about in the first place.
35:45Now, God, in the name of Jesus, Lord, we ask you to sanctify this place.
35:50Yeah, yeah! How many free?
35:53Yes!
35:54I am the pastor of Soul Restoration Ministries, Move of God.
36:01God sent Mama here!
36:04This is the place!
36:06Most of the members in Soul Restoration are made up of ex-Faith Temple members that have either left or were excommunicated.
36:16And I said, Lord, I'll take them.
36:18Go, Doug!
36:19Come on, Doug!
36:20Come on, Doug!
36:22Then the Lord began to talk to me, and he would say, all that stuff that happened in Faith Temple, he said, you've got to forgive.
36:27Bless that one for me, but Jesus.
36:28In Faith Temple, Mary and Bishop took the place of God, and we paid for it.
36:41But when I left, I could see the light.
36:47Soul Restoration, it was like being rescued by someone that had Mama's love in them.
36:53It's a saying that protects your peace.
36:57That's what I had to do.
36:59I've got to do better.
37:00We all have to.
37:02Bless that wonderful name of Jesus.
37:07Oh, there's no other name I know.
37:19Where Faith Temple is today is kind of a big question mark.
37:23Mary, what's the update on your church? Are the renovations complete?
37:28Yeah, we're slowly getting back into it, but it's good.
37:32It's blessed.
37:34I just watched Mary saying that the church is great.
37:37I just, I don't know who that person is.
37:40And I don't believe they've done renovations on it.
37:44I just, I will never be under them again.
37:46And I will pray for the people that still are.
37:49I said, help me, Lord.
37:52He said, I only hug them and help me so.
37:55You apply something.
37:57He'll meet you there.
37:58You're not even gone.
38:00Who they vote?
38:02Keep her vote.
38:04Keep her vote.
38:06Keep her vote.
38:08I just watched Mary being as fake as a $3 bill.
38:15This service is really interesting.
38:17Prior to this service, the word got out that they were recording Real Housewives.
38:23I said, I'm not coming.
38:25I'm not coming tonight or ever again.
38:29And that was that.
38:31Haven't attended a church service since.
38:32Individuals that are still caught in those walls are not seeing the true signs.
38:46It takes something, and I don't know what that something is, for a certain person to wake up and say, oh gosh, I'm in a cult.
38:56Scared to death, grating, insulting, and couldn't talk to each other.
39:01Public humiliation.
39:02There's always a need for money sleeping, thank God.
39:05Whether you describe it as the universe sending you a message, God sending you a message.
39:09When things seem off, step back and take a look.
39:14You don't have to live under dictatorships, mind manipulations.
39:18You don't have to live under spiritual abuse, religious abuse.
39:23God bless you.
39:25God is love.
39:27If you don't feel love, you don't feel freedom.
39:30Find something else.
39:31Robert and Mary, they're the cons.
39:38The congregation is under a delusion.
39:43God don't wear Louis Vuitton, and the devil don't wear Prada either.
39:49But maybe he wears Chanel.
39:51He wears Chanel.
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