00:00Let's say if I want to overcome a tangible fear, there is a tangible fear in life and
00:05I want to overcome that. Take a very practical one, going out in the night, being alone,
00:10being a woman, I will focus on the measures that I can take.
00:12Yes, obviously. The land is full of robbers and looters and ruffians and rapists and she
00:19says, but God is with me. God will take care of me. This is not spirituality. This is foolishness.
00:25Now, being a spiritual person, you will say, nobody will take care of me. I know I'll be robbed.
00:30So either I'm not going out or if I'm going out, I'll take due precaution.
00:38I don't live on beliefs. If you find somebody engaging in irrational conduct, for sure that
00:45person is not just not rational, he is also not spiritual. It's not about a particular
00:52principle or a particular way of behaving. It's about checking where you stand and where
00:58you are coming from. You are coming from a belief and that belief is baseless as all beliefs are
01:06and will put you in deep trouble as all beliefs do. It sounds rational. It sounds rational.
01:11Yes, yes. And there is no dichotomy there. So that means spirituality is rationality.
01:16So spirituality does not limit itself to rationality. It also examines the rational one.
01:31The follow up and extension of the two questions. One of the members asked about dissolution,
01:35dissolution of ego and the other one asked about detachment. I'm placing both the concepts in the
01:41perspective of profession. So in the field of education, how important it is for people who
01:47are educating young minds, whether they are in schools and colleges, how important it is for a
01:52professional to be identity less or rather beyond identities, let's say, or have multiple perspectives.
01:57So I have two questions. One is this, not having a specific rigid identity framework, how important it is?
02:04When it comes to day to day transactions, for example, being a teacher, one will carry an identity.
02:15And that's fine, because that's needed for your practical movement.
02:24But beneath and beyond all the identities that you carry, there has to be freedom from identities.
02:32There has to be a point that identities cannot violate a line that cannot be hopped over.
02:51So yes, I am sitting here and there would be a particular identity and I am talking to you in a
02:57particular way. It's a kind of role play. That's happening.
03:06But internally, there must still be freedom, which means an emptiness, which means kuch nahi.
03:12And the next part of the question is, we discussed in this session, that why does ego not receive
03:28anything that it really wants from any option, because it doesn't change from within.
03:33So, in one of the previous sessions, you have, I mean, we discussed in the session and you mentioned
03:39one beautiful statement, the effect cannot or does not change the cause. So, origin is the destination.
03:48So, in one of my sessions at my workplace, we were talking about realization comes at the end of an
03:57experience. However, no, so I am correcting myself. So, through the session, it is when I start, the origin is
04:04realization itself, then of course, the journey is learning oriented. How, I mean, I still have the
04:10conflict and dichotomy here. I am still not clear how realization would be at the origin point.
04:16Because realization is nothing. So, you don't have to start from a belief. Mostly, our actions initiate,
04:27originate from some belief, do they not? And the belief is about the mode of operation. And finally,
04:40about the result. If I act this way, that's what I would attain. That's the belief there. So,
04:49starting from realization or starting from the destination itself would mean that you are not
04:57starting from a belief. You are starting from understanding itself. And understanding is not
05:05belief. Understanding is not a conclusion. In that sense, understanding is quite empty. Understanding
05:13itself is nothing. That's where you start from. Are you getting it? When there is a belief,
05:26then there has to be an investment in the future. The belief says, here I stand, unfulfilled,
05:37act this way and you will receive a reward in the future. So, belief makes you invest in the future
05:46and dependent on the future. Which sounds nice, if you ignore the fact that dependent on the future,
05:54you become presently barren. The future is a concept. The future is an idea, is it not?
06:04All you have is this. And the belief says, act in a particular way. And in the future, you will attain
06:11something. Does a future ever arise? A moment when you will harvest the crop, does it ever arise? Or
06:22in every moment, is there a crop next waiting to be harvested? I am asking.
06:35Basically means, future is always fleeting, always evasive, always just an idea.
06:42And by investing so much in the future, coming to the end of the experience, as you said, waiting for that,
06:53you are robbed of the only thing that you have, the agency to act, the agency to choose right now.
07:01Now, we give that up. Whereas, when you are starting from realization,
07:13then there is no need to be dependent on the so-called end of experience.
07:18We will come to the end of the project and then receive the reward.
07:21There is no need to then wait for that. Right? You are starting from fulfillment.
07:28You have not postponed fulfillment to a distant future.
07:33That which you could have hoped for, expected from the end, is now available right in the beginning.
07:49Then action is light. Then you don't have to worry about what comes next.
07:54Then you don't have to wonder whether something will torpedo your boat.
08:07You have already reached. Now, even if the boat sinks, it's alright.
08:14At every point, you are complete.
08:16It's not as if you were planning a robbery in which the spoils would be attained at the nth step of the plan.
08:34And if you were intercepted at the n-1th step, then all your effort till n-1 has gone waste.
08:46That makes us worry. Does it not?
08:48I have invested so much into the future that involve 14 steps.
08:5312 steps I have already taken. But the result would come at the end of the 14th.
09:00And that puts you in a lot of stress. No?
09:0512 units of investment would be gone. Two more units have to be taken care of.
09:10You don't have to start from something. You have to start from whatever is right now, here.
09:29That's it. It's very simple. Just that we are not accustomed to it, so it sounds a bit strange.
09:34But then how do you put it? Let's say if I want to overcome a tangible fear.
09:40There is a tangible fear in life and I want to overcome that.
09:45If it's factual, there is no question of overcoming it.
09:49If by tangible you mean factual, one doesn't overcome it. One simply accepts it.
09:54Now there is no fear. Now there is an inevitability.
09:59That's fine. Something like death. How does one overcome death? One doesn't overcome death.
10:05One sees the finality of it. One sees how inevitable, inexorable it is.
10:14There are fears that relate to imagination, right? What if a plane crashes right now?
10:19No, let's take a very practical one. Going out in the night, being alone, being a woman,
10:24and we always have, I have. Take measures, know the probability.
10:27So accepting the fact that there is an assignment in the night and now I'll focus on the measures that
10:33I can take. Yes, obviously. What else? What else? What else?
10:40And this will categorize as realization? Beginning, starting from, no, not realization,
10:45as in acceptance will be the point of understanding. It's the very ground of movement.
10:51It's not a particular movement. It's not about this, this, this, this, this, this. It's the space
10:58in which the right movement happens. That is realization.
11:04It's not a principle. It's not a yardstick or a guideline you can adhere to.
11:10I don't live on beliefs, which may also mean that there is somebody who says, I believe in God,
11:22so I'll go out at night and God will take care of me.
11:25Now, being a spiritual person, you will say, nobody will take care of me. I know I'll be robbed.
11:30So either I'm not going out or if I'm going out, I'll take due precaution.
11:33Now, that's coming from a more spiritual mind. Instead, we'll say, you know, look at that one,
11:42very faithful, deep astha in God. The land is full of robbers and looters and ruffians and rapists.
11:53And she says, but God is with me. So let me put on my minis and wander out.
12:01Because God will take care of me.
12:04No, this is not spirituality.
12:06This is foolishness.
12:10I'm getting it. It's not about a particular principle or a particular way of behaving.
12:15It's about checking where you stand and where you are coming from.
12:20You are coming from a belief and that belief is baseless as all beliefs are.
12:28And it will put you in deep trouble as all beliefs do.
12:36Are you getting it?
12:39But this doesn't sound spiritual, does it?
12:42It sounds rational.
12:43It sounds rational, yes, yes. And there is no dichotomy there.
12:47So that means spirituality is rationality.
12:49Beautifully put, yes, obviously.
12:52Rationality is fully contained within spirituality, just that it's a subset.
12:59So spirituality does not limit itself to rationality.
13:02It also examines the rational one.
13:10Rationality is about examining the world, the ways, experiences, phenomena,
13:16how things are happening, right?
13:20Logic, science, experimental methods.
13:21In this situation exemplify, sir.
13:23For example, I'm stepping out in the night.
13:25So I'm examining the world, my mode of transport, the time, all that I'm examining.
13:31How do I examine myself?
13:32What do I look into within so that I'm prepared?
13:35So for example, if you are rational, if you are rational, then your conduct will coincide with
13:43that of the spiritual one to the extent that you will look at the law and order situation,
13:48your own defense preparedness and such things.
13:51To that extent, they reduce similarity.
13:53But at this point, spirituality will go one step ahead and ask you,
14:00what is the desire that makes you step out at this time?
14:03Now that's something that rationality will never ask you, never ask you.
14:11Rationality says you have a desire.
14:13Let's look at rational ways of fulfilling the desire.
14:21The superstitious, the so-called religious one will say,
14:25I have a desire and I'll fulfill it through irrational ways.
14:30For example, I'm going out and before stepping out,
14:33now I've received a Kavach.
14:40I just had a teleconference with Baba Ji
14:45and Baba Ji shot a Kavach to me
14:52at Mark 21.
14:55I received it like this.
14:56Get it?
14:58So, there is a desire.
15:00There is a desire and let's say the desire is,
15:02there is a 3 a.m. pizza joint.
15:06There is a 3 a.m. pizza joint and I want to go there and whatever.
15:09Let's say I have to catch a flight.
15:10No, I'm taking this, that's another.
15:13Or I have to catch a flight.
15:14The flight too could be to a pizza joint, so that's fine.
15:17The same thing.
15:20So, I have a desire.
15:23Right?
15:23What does the so-called religious one do?
15:28I have a desire.
15:29I'm going out.
15:30So, I'm praying and now I'll be taken care of.
15:32So, this is irrational.
15:34Irrational in terms of the method adopted to fulfill the desire.
15:42Now, what will the rational one do?
15:44We'll first check the desire itself.
15:46We'll first check the desire itself and then say,
15:50Okay, fine.
15:50This desire is coming from the right place.
15:54Now, let me arrange for my security.
15:58Even if the desire is coming from the right place,
16:00no heavenly force is going to come down to protect me.
16:03Yes, my desire is well placed.
16:06Still, I need to make logical arrangements.
16:10Supernatural protection won't happen.
16:14Won't happen.
16:15You get the difference between the three.
16:17The superstitious one, the rational one and the spiritual one.
16:21You get the difference.
16:24Rationality is wonderful.
16:26But for the fact that it doesn't hold a mirror to you.
16:34It's a wonderful thing.
16:36Except that it doesn't make you look within.
16:38But being spiritual will never, never mean being irrational.
16:47Mind you.
16:48If you find somebody engaging in irrational conduct,
16:52for sure that person is not just not rational,
16:55he is also not spiritual.
17:00Take it for granted.
17:01You find somebody behaving in irrational ways.
17:07That fellow cannot be spiritual.
17:13The spirituality is, you could say,
17:17broadly, rationality plus self-knowledge.
17:22All rationality is definitely contained in spirituality.
17:27Thank you, Eternity.
17:31Thank you, Eternity.
17:34Thank you, Eternity.
17:37Amen.
17:38Thank you, Conference.
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