00:03How are you guys feeling today talking through it all?
00:08It's a hard thing to let go of because we all just enjoyed it, embraced it so thoroughly.
00:17Yeah, it's a little tough.
00:21You know what I do like?
00:22There's one thing I will say is that you guys were offered this year all of the episodes to watch.
00:26I don't know if they gave them to you.
00:28They did, correct?
00:29And so in being able to talk to you, it's different than in years past because we weren't able to say a darn thing.
00:35And this time, you guys, I actually get to hear from you what you responded to.
00:38And so often people are responding to things that I also was responding to.
00:43And so it's actually, I feel like it's a unique opportunity that we're having with you guys.
00:48But that being said, I wish that we were, this was another season.
00:52And I would gladly give all that up to be able to have a few more seasons.
00:56Caroline and Kevin and I were talking about it as well.
01:01And Caroline in particular said it was the hardest goodbye she's ever had because she was going to miss the characters, which is like not just the people, but the characters.
01:11Like she said, she wished she got to see Shirley one more time.
01:13Could you guys do anything in particular to say goodbye to your characters?
01:18I don't think I have said goodbye to my character.
01:26No, I don't think I have either.
01:27Yeah.
01:28I have not.
01:28Yeah.
01:29It's not.
01:31No.
01:31No, I haven't really.
01:33I've just kind of been in a state of deep denial.
01:37Yeah, me too.
01:38That's what I was just going to say.
01:39It's almost like by talking to people about it, which I knew this was all coming, you know, because we were about to drop the show, is I was like, oh, well, that's it's still active and alive.
01:48And then I forgot.
01:48Well, actually, no, the can is like done and we're not allowed to change anything.
01:53Oh, there was a moment when I was doing the, you know, how you do ADR, the audio part of like adding some certain sounds and all that.
01:59And I remember when they said, OK, we're done.
02:01And I was like, no, no, no, there's got to be more lines.
02:03I've got to add a few more lines for a year because I did not want the last time I spoke Rose's words to be there.
02:11I really walked out and just like wept and wept because I was like, I need to keep being Rose.
02:16I'm not able to let go.
02:18Oh, it's heartbreaking.
02:19But I mean, the ending was a perfect bow on the top of a beautiful five seasons.
02:26So I don't want to say too much because we'll include the video in our post.
02:30But we really enjoyed it.
02:34Now, Abe and Rose have had quite a journey since the beginning of the series.
02:40What does this last chapter of the show look like for them, as you can say?
02:48Well, yeah, like you say, they've they've had a long but roller coaster ish kind of marriage.
02:58And somehow they've really through all of the upheaval and all of the strife over the past five seasons,
03:07they've they've somehow managed to figure out a way to come to become closer and more appreciative of their of their bond.
03:17And we see them as long haulers.
03:21I mean, they're they're going to be there for each other and and for their and for their children, for their daughters and for their grandchildren.
03:32Right.
03:33I mean, and they regenerate like they're so unique and that they like find like one thing gets like cut off and then they kind of find something else.
03:43And then they say goodbye to this and no more money and then a new apartment or they go off and they live with their, you know, in-laws.
03:49And it's just it was so delightful, like people have asked us throughout the day about the trajectory of the character and what was it like when we knew what was going to happen.
03:56And, you know, the truth is, Tony and I didn't know a thing.
03:58We signed on to this project based on how much we love the writing.
04:02And then we just kind of let Amy and Dan give us the episode as it was happening and not know what would happen the next episode or the next year or whatever.
04:10And that's so thrilling.
04:12It's so thrilling to be so surprised by people, you know, exercise and just, you know, staying open and ready for ready for anything and everything.
04:24Absolutely.
04:25A big practice in patience, too, I would think.
04:29Now, there was a poignant moment in the season four finale between Moish and Abe where Abe was reading Moish's obituary.
04:37What does their bond look like in this final season?
04:43Moish and Abe's bond?
04:46Yeah, that's interesting because we don't intersect that many ways except over Miriam, right?
05:01Over Mitch.
05:02I think that in that particular episode you're talking about, there's something that, like, a piece that's just as an onlooker to what happened then.
05:11It's, like, suddenly, like, so much rancor and, like, you know, like, structure and animosity, like, problems just kind of dissipated after that.
05:23Like, suddenly he looked at you.
05:25Didn't he have, like, tears in his eyes?
05:26Like, I didn't know you thought about me that way.
05:29And that kind of allowed for a couple of weeks.
05:30Yeah, it's kind of a truce.
05:31A little bit of a truce.
05:32Right.
05:33So, mm-hmm.
05:35Now, Amy and Dan are ending the show on their own terms, as we discussed.
05:39How do you guys feel about the show's ending?
05:42And were you satisfied with it?
05:45Oh, very.
05:46The way the final...
05:48You mean the very final scene?
05:49I haven't seen the episode yet.
05:51I haven't seen it either.
05:52But reading it and shooting it, I thought they really, really did a beautiful job of bringing it all to a close.
06:01You know, I can't wait to actually ask them.
06:03We haven't...
06:04Things sort of sped up in the end, and obviously everybody was sort of tired because they'd been working very, very hard.
06:09And I would love to ask Amy and Dan, which maybe you know the answer again, you ask them.
06:13Like, did they know from the get-go in the pilot how they did want to end it?
06:19I think they did.
06:20Do you think they did?
06:21I think they did.
06:21I don't know if they knew all the specifics, but in the broader scheme, I think they did know where they went.
06:28And you think that that concept of that scene between...
06:31We're not supposed to say it or spoilers.
06:33They saw that scene as the vision of what they were headed to?
06:35I do.
06:36I think she did.
06:37Wow.
06:37I'm going to ask them after we finish today.
06:39Yeah.
06:39I'm really, really interested in that.
06:41Yeah.
06:42And finally, what do you think, like, at the end of the day, from beginning to end, pilot to last episode, that Rose and Abe really want for Mitch?
06:51Well, I think they want to see her navigate her way through the world to succeed at what she's trying to do, to not lose heart.
07:20I think they see her as, and I think they see themselves as fighters, as survivors.
07:27And I think they trust that hopefully she's, you know, she's got some of that in her and whatever happens, she's going to land on her feet.
07:38I think that, you know, Rose has always seen her daughter as, you know, a version of herself.
07:47But towards the very end, I think she did recognize, you know what, she's her own, like, bird.
07:53She's flying in her own way.
07:55And I think that she's always been also a little, like, awestruck by her daughter.
08:01I do think that.
08:02I do think that she thought, this is a spectacular human.
08:05And by the way, that, you know, interesting that Tony's character, Abe, like, it took him longer.
08:10As is the case with men.
08:11But I do think that Rose knew that.
08:15Amazing, guys.
08:16Well, thank you so much for taking the time with me today.
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