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22:29This is the
22:59He talked to the
23:29And this is the
23:59now with his wife easy for us to talk about it but she lived it right Janie was a friend
24:05of Roxanna's and limo John's live-in girlfriend at the time and Roxanna even stayed in their
24:11house right after the murder hi how are you I'm fine thank you for meeting with us we're
24:18wondering what Janie can tell us about Roxanna and limo John's alleged there back then and
24:24maybe even more about what happened that night how did you meet Dave how did you meet Roxanna
24:30um so I met Dave first through John met Roxanne when she started dating Dave did you go to their
24:39wedding yes I was her bridesmaid oh I hate of honor whatever when and how do you think this connection
24:46happened between John and Roxanna right under Dave's eyes oh yeah because Dave confronted him
24:53about it oh we didn't know that we didn't know that oh no Dave told him to stop following his wife
25:00around town and John tells you that huh yeah what did John see in her what was the attraction I think
25:11she needed saving she was a damsel in distress and Dave wanted kinky sex and she was upset by that
25:20um when the investigators searched David's property they found some pictures on his computer of Roxanna
25:28in some kind of fetish style sex acts could this be another reason she was unhappy in the marriage
25:34possibly let's go back to the the day this happened so I got home earlier than usual John informed me
25:41that he was going out fishing it struck me as odd because I hadn't known him to go fishing at night you
25:50saw him out on the lake I did okay yeah so after a while he came back he was already dark by time I heard
25:58him come in and heard him start the washing machine put his clothes in the washer and does he strip down
26:05in the room where the washing machine is and put the clothes right in the washing machine right then
26:09in there and says what for the need for the urgency anything he said that he got wet getting out of the boat
26:18John's washing his clothes could mean that he was trying to get rid of gunshot residue or David's blood
26:24so after a while he got a call on his cell phone and he told me that the call was from the guy who
26:32lived across the street yeah Rick the prick and that Dave had been shot Roxanne was upset allegedly
26:40right but she did come to your house later that night I wanted to help and she was upset but when
26:46I got up the next morning to go to work and I found them holding hands on the couch as I stumbled to
26:52the shower I wasn't at the real happy camper when I went to the way by that point John and I had
27:00officially split he just told me that he did not love me anymore I was like it's too bad Dave had to die
27:10for you to get busted these are kind of like just the summer cottages the houses are not real fancy
27:23they're right on the lake too cold in the wind I'll just say they freeze not a lot of people you know
27:28come up here this lakeside community gives this case a unique possible scenario law enforcement looks
27:34at both egress and ways that the suspect got to the crime scene that lake provides a perfect exit and
27:41entrance to commit this crime we're gonna get over by John's property we're gonna kind of skate around
27:49like where he would have gone and then we're gonna end up over here on this side of the lake let's go
27:53check it out okay so I'm driving yeah I'm driving according to limo John and Janie he took his boat out
27:59on the water around 6 p.m. based on the phone records we believe that David's murder happened
28:05between 6 43 p.m. when he last spoke to Roxanna and 8 11 when John called her if John committed the crime
28:15that gives him roughly a 90-minute window but what are all the reasons why you're thinking he used a
28:21boat instead of driving you can say I was on the boat yeah alibi himself alibis himself if he drives to
28:27David's house if someone sees his car there and then they see all law enforcement and fire and
28:32rescue show up some of them say hey I saw John's vehicle over there a while ago driving from limo
28:38John's house to David's would have been faster but it would mean taking a main road and parking near
28:43David's house both of which could have drawn attention the lake on the other hand was dark and
28:48if somebody spotted him out there he had a perfect excuse so this this is his house right here the one
28:54with the white picket page in the right yeah he can walk right out his back door hop right on his boat
29:00so let's say right now he he gets on his boat he's gonna leave so I'm gonna do a conservative pace speed
29:06yeah so since he lives on the lake he has lake rights so if you go visit people around the lake this
29:25is somewhere where you could pull up and just tie off conservatively driving as fast as we just did
29:30it took how long to hear 10 minutes so from here do you know which way to go to get to Dave's house
29:43lead the way these homes here 95 of them are gonna be empty that time of year is that our house yep
29:52right here four minutes 47 seconds so if you think about after our boat ride okay this walk he leaves
29:58his house ties up he's here from house to house is 15 minutes at the most in my opinion wow so your
30:05timeline works easy easy very easy it's clear limo John could have pulled this crime off during the
30:11murder window the lake would give him a discreet way to approach David's house a believable excuse
30:17if anybody saw him on the lake and a simple way to ditch the murder weapon on the way home just toss
30:21it in the water it goes down 25 feet and the chances of us finding it now are zero
30:26okay what's the plan for today what you thinking I'm thinking me and you will go make contact with
30:42Roxanna Jason and Steve go talk to limo John okay they're not gonna call each other that fast as long
30:48as we're both sitting in front of houses we should be okay yeah I think so yeah yeah the plan is this
30:52morning to try and simultaneously approach both suspects Roxanna and John they don't talk anymore
31:00we don't think but you never know all right thank you guys what direction is John gonna go does he
31:07answer the door does he talk to us cordially for five minutes and then tell us to take a hike my
31:11experience has been they cooperate and when the hard questions come that's the end of it because they
31:15know they're locked in they know that they cannot get out of this spider web anymore I would think the
31:21only thing we could say is hey we're talking to Roxanna right now yep this is your opportunity to
31:25give to your side I would say something like we know John Viscosil is a shooter yeah and how long do
31:36you think he's gonna stay silent protect your ass before he flips on you right they don't have to
31:41talk to us so we need to start off nice and friendly and then the longer they agree to talk to us the more
31:46we'll try to drill down into their inconsistencies and start asking more pointed questions to see
31:52how they react John's not here but we need to talk to him now we're gonna call and hope he doesn't
32:05hang up on us hi Roxanna how are you I'm good what can I do for you do you remember me I'm Lieutenant
32:13Paulson with the Cenochia County Sheriff's Office do you remember me no I'm not okay it's just a bad
32:17time right now I got breakfast I'm you know can you can you give me 10 minutes at the most I guess
32:24we hi is this John this is him hi it's Detective Silsky with the Sheriff's Office how you doing sir
32:32um I am a lawyer this pertains to that shooting case years ago can you tell us anything about that
32:42about what about the shooting case I wasn't there I don't know nothing about it and he got shot and
32:48killed how did you and David meet uh I think it was match.com or something you guys were only together
32:54for about eight months and then you got married correct yeah it wasn't very long um okay I don't
32:59know how to describe it he he just turned out not to be the person I thought he was and what did you
33:05think he was and then what did it turn out not to be he was kind of into porno and stuff like that
33:12okay was that not your thing or no okay Roxanna's telling us the same thing she told Janie that she
33:20and David were not on the same page sexually that doesn't seem like enough of a motive to want someone
33:26dead but are we really getting the whole story here the file does make a mention that at some point
33:32y'all had a little bit of issues because you called him even after y'all were dating sending out pictures
33:38of as you know what to other women yes yes what about that what can you do they were out on the
33:45internet did he ever try to get you to do stuff like that too no no no investigators found pornographic
33:52pictures of Roxanna on David's computer it's pretty clear she is not aware that we know about those
33:58pictures you understand that there's a lot of things that kind of point toward some suspicious
34:03circumstances regarding you and Roxanna I guess you know but she was just a good friend at the time
34:10uh-huh and then she moved in here she only was there for a little while and she moved out here's the deal
34:16John there's other investigators talking to Roxanna at this very moment we're anticipating she's going
34:22to be cooperating with us I understand so I don't want her to tell us something that's not accurate if
34:32if you can tell us you know your side of this do you understand my lawyer told me not to talk to
34:37anybody without him being present so that's the way I'm going to play this now this is what's going on
34:43we're talking to you right now there's another group of investigators that's talking to limo John right
34:48now okay okay I can tell you that I have no doubt in my mind that John killed David I really don't
34:57think so you know John this whole murder is just a chain of related behavior and it leads right back
35:01to you you know that yeah I guess it all does you know I look it looks dead I know in a minute you
35:07know I'm fishing I had really no alibi other than I was out on the boat I think you know exactly what
35:13happened to David I really don't well it's also all the phone calls back and forth not just that
35:19day we talked him and I talked all the time but why we were good friends but he had a girlfriend and
35:24you were married and your husband had to go to him and say stop following my wife around everybody
35:28talks to other people but everybody knew there was something going on between y'all before
35:34there was your husband ended up dead I don't know who's been saying that it's a small town people
35:39talk how many times do you talk to her that day of the murder John god only knows I don't know maybe
35:45once maybe twice maybe three times I have no idea you got my cell phone because I don't remember
35:51your friend is shot in the head what was your comment that you made he never saw it coming
35:57he was shot in the head I never knew that you made those comments I didn't make any comments to
36:06anybody that he anything about he was shot that's all I know he was dead I have nothing more to say
36:12I think he was trying to get as much information from us as we were trying to get from him he wants
36:18to be a little bit of a friend and then when you start to pin him down about answering more questions
36:22he starts swearing he gets evasive he gets mad we know John killed David
36:27I really don't think he did it and you know he did it Roxanna how can we believe you when you
36:32sat here and told us that you didn't even get into the naked picture things with your husband and we
36:36have pictures of you come on Roxanna sure it was me oh I absolutely know it was you it's even in a
36:42file on a computer with your name on it that's okay to hide from that that's okay you passed that in
36:47your life but don't sit here and ruin the rest of your life by pretending like we believe you when you
36:52say I don't think limo John did it you know he did it we know he did it the question is are you
36:57going to tell what you know on him are you going to go down with him when he throws you under the
37:02bus that is the question anything I really don't because I guarantee you limo John Viscosil is going
37:07to talk as fast as he can when he's got handcuffs on his wrist I'm done you guys please I'm done you
37:13know 23 years later Roxanne looks like anybody's grandma doesn't look like she's scary or sinister
37:20or a mess or manipulator at all she's minimizing her relationship with John which isn't smart
37:26for the most part she's still pretty much telling the same thing she always said she's pretty cold
37:31though she is I didn't see her shaking no I didn't see her nervous signs of deception I didn't see any
37:37no she is good are y'all tired oh we're good yeah how are you guys doing one more day one more day
37:55we've made good progress in David van der Zee's case and uncovered new pieces of circumstantial evidence
38:02that further shows us who all was involved in killing him okay when you think about the whole
38:09case all these people that once upon a time we wanted to look into I love what they all told
38:15Jason and that David was not a great guy but he didn't deserve that as bad as that guy was I wish
38:22you would have found who did this because that's not right Rick fits he was a possible suspect but
38:29he's the one calling people to get people over to the area he got a call on his cell phone from
38:34the guy who lived across the street yeah Rick the prick and that Dave had been shot Rick's not going
38:40to be getting more people over to the area if he just killed somebody so all of our thoughts for
38:45anybody trying to say it's somebody else in the neighborhood maybe even Rick the prick what do you
38:50think about that today I think it's even more clear that there's nobody else involved we knew when we
38:56started working on this case that there were neighbors that didn't get along with David but
39:01we didn't find any evidence that Rick the prick or any other neighbor was responsible for killing
39:06David this crime happens in a very quiet community there's no forced entry there's no evidence of a
39:13struggle nothing's missing I think David knew whoever was in his house it was someone that he was
39:19friends with enough to welcome in and your point even at one point turn his back to it's even more
39:26clear that John shot him Jackson David never saw it coming yep he didn't see it coming and John would
39:34know that for axiana always is home at six o'clock the day David's murder not home at six you can come
39:41home at six o'clock promptly every single time but this night she didn't the phone calls all day
39:48long right up until and the one right after at 8 11 p.m. Roxanna receives a call from John's cell phone 52
39:57seconds this is the it's done call this is huge you know he falls out of the lake is what he's claiming I
40:04heard him come in and start the washing machine put his clothes in the washer he said he fell on the
40:11lake because he had to justify the need to put him in the washing machine immediately right and then
40:18the 911 call she makes a statement of he's been shot are you gonna get hurt is somebody else gonna get
40:24hurt okay okay he's been shot how in the world does Roxanna know that well she knows that because she
40:33knows John was gonna shoot him what's the other unusual thing that Roxanna does that day she goes
40:40home with John and Janie Janie wakes up the next morning and John and Roxanna are holding hands on the
40:47couch he just told me that he did not love me anymore and then she's gone and Roxanna's in yep remember
40:56in a circumstantial evidence case it's not ever going to be one big piece of evidence it's all the
41:02little pieces that suggest that Roxanna and limo John together were involved in the murder of David
41:09Vanderzee there's no other theory that makes sense and so knowing that your request of your prosecutor
41:17would be to do what I would request him to issue arrest warrants for John and Roxanna first degree
41:24intentional homicide yep as a detective as an investigator with all the circumstantial evidence
41:30in this case you couldn't ask for anything better I'm very hopeful did finally is someone is gonna
41:36pay the price for murdering David Vanderzee if we don't do something now nothing's ever gonna happen
41:42shortly after we left town the sheriff's office presented their whole case to the newly elected
41:53the Kenosha County D.A. Xavier Solis and his A.D.A. Sarah Norcus John hello sir can you step out for a second
42:01you put your hands behind your back for me put your palms together how you doing man he's at Boston
42:08first grade sheriff's office you're under arrest on May the 28th 2025 John Viscosil and Roxanna Collins
42:17were charged and arrested for the first degree intentional homicide of David Vanderzee we called
42:23his brother Tim to hear what he had to say about the good news I feel relieved you know for my
42:29mother's sake it was a long time coming I wish my mother was still around to see it she'd be resting in peace
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