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00:00We have a homicide in 4-2 Precinct.
00:15Unidentified male.
00:18We'll work all night through this.
00:21It was right after 9-11.
00:23The NYPD were the heroes of the city,
00:26the rock stars of the country.
00:28And I thought, maybe I can have access to the NYPD
00:31to follow these detectives as they investigate homicides.
00:36I was embedded with Bronx homicide detectives.
00:39Why don't you come down and open the door?
00:41Bobby Adelarado and his partner, John Schwartz.
00:44This is a currency.
00:45So you've been a cop a long time.
00:47Almost 20 years.
00:48This is the twilight of your career.
00:49It's plausible.
00:50I walked into that building so young, eager,
00:55so unbelievably naive.
01:00These were tough guys, and I was ready, you know,
01:02to see how they solved murders.
01:03That's why I was there.
01:04Let's stand the man on patrol in Lower Manhattan.
01:08I didn't bang in today.
01:14More importantly, let's go eat.
01:15We were out at dinner one night, and I said to Bobby,
01:25you must bring this job home with you,
01:27everything that you see.
01:28And he says, I really don't, except this one case.
01:31This one case has been bothering me for about a decade.
01:33And I said, what's that about?
01:36You told me that this is going to haunt me.
01:38It's going to haunt you.
01:39You think?
01:40Oh, without a doubt.
01:41Because it's not only going to haunt you,
01:43it's going to haunt you until there's closure.
01:46And even after the closure, it's still going to haunt you.
01:50Why?
02:06What's up, isn't it?
02:08Can you tell us something?
02:11I hope you let me find out,
02:13what's going to last maybe.
02:14Maybe.
02:15It'd be maybe anybody else else.
02:17And?
02:18Yeah.
02:19Soon, it's got a great night.
02:20It was a great night.
02:21On Christmas, we're all about a year ago.
02:22Now, there you're all about it.
02:23You could see a night to watch.
02:24Where are you going to be?
02:26Go to Christmas house.
02:27For 무ay Mataji said while upon a island,
02:29returning bake she had a 57 2 ability.
02:31We were looking back on theather season.
02:34So I think that was a good story
02:35Thanksgiving night of 1990, there was a shooting at the Palladium nightclub.
02:53One man is dead and another injured after a shooting at a Manhattan hotspot.
02:57It happened early this morning at the Palladium after some customers were thrown out for fighting.
03:02Police say some customers were thrown out, but they returned shooting.
03:05Marcus Peterson, a bouncer, was shot and killed.
03:09Another bouncer was wounded.
03:13Witnesses identified a couple of guys, David Lemus and Omado Hidalgo.
03:19They were arrested, tried, and convicted for the murder of Marcus Peterson.
03:27But they convicted the wrong guys.
03:29You think they had nothing to do with this crime?
03:32I know they had nothing to do with this crime.
03:34And they still sit in prison.
03:35Bobby told me he knew who really committed the murder.
03:39These two other guys by the name of Spanky and Joey.
03:42And that really, really aided him.
03:45And that's when I said to him, well, let's make this our story.
03:47Let me follow you as you reinvestigate this.
03:49Where are we going, Bobby?
03:53Well, we're going down to the 9th precinct to dig through the record room.
03:58Let's see if we can come up with the original case folder from 1990.
04:01And that's what I said.
04:061931 to 1960.
04:08Get the hell out of here.
04:09All right, son.
04:16I feel like Indiana Jones and Raiders of the Lost Ark.
04:22It seems to be missing, huh?
04:23It seems to be extremely hard to locate.
04:36This case, it's about who committed the homicide of Marcus Peterson.
04:45They're convinced that they got the right guys.
04:48Yeah.
04:49And I guess it's up to me to put together the best presentation I can put together based on all the facts I have to try to change their minds.
05:01And hopefully, this will replace that.
05:06At that point, David Lemus and Elmedo Hidalgo had been locked up for more than a decade.
05:13It was hard for me to wrap my mind around, if they were innocent, why were they there?
05:19David Lemus apparently bragged to a woman he was having an affair with, that he had been involved with the murder.
05:26Elmedo Hidalgo is a bit of a mystery.
05:28A confidential informant gave a tip to police that he had been involved with the Palladium shooting.
05:33From the beginning, David Lemus and Hidalgo claimed that they did not know each other.
05:40Had you ever been at the Palladium?
05:41I went to the Palladium one time.
05:42In my life.
05:43I went to the Palladium one time.
05:44I went to the Palladium one time.
05:45In my life.
05:47In your entire life?
05:48My entire life.
05:49It wasn't Thanksgiving night?
05:50No, it wasn't Thanksgiving night.
05:51No, it wasn't Thanksgiving night.
05:52This was like maybe a year before.
05:53Were you at the Palladium on Thanksgiving?
05:54No.
05:55Have you ever been to the Palladium?
05:56No.
05:57No.
05:58Have you ever been to the Palladium?
06:02had you ever been at the palladium i went to the palladium one time in my life in your entire life
06:14my entire life it wasn't thanksgiving night no it wasn't thanksgiving night this was like maybe a
06:18year before were you at the palladium on thanksgiving no have you ever been to the palladium
06:24he says he doesn't even know where the parade game is at the shooting happened at the palladium
06:33on thanksgiving night at one o'clock in the morning right where were you i was home
06:38because i was with my girlfriend janice so then after you spend the night with your girlfriend
06:42you go and spend that night with dolores a couple days later a couple days later i spent the night
06:46with dolores and i said listen you know something happened last night i was in the club and the
06:52shooting had broke out and i was involved with that shooting and based on what you saw on the
06:56news based on what i saw that's the dumbest thing i ever heard anybody do in my life it's ridiculous
07:02why would you do that i was trying to portray somebody portray an image that wasn't me you
07:07know what i mean and i figured well if i come out like some kick-ass type of guy she might think
07:11differently of me i was trying to fill those shoes without actually being a part of it and i just made
07:18like one of the biggest mistakes of my life in a minute to something i didn't do how did you get
07:23involved in all this yeah he says he doesn't know to this day he still asks himself the same
07:32question describe to me the day the verdict was read for you how did it feel he said his life was crushed at
07:42time
07:51get out of one get out of one
07:56said he gave him some water
08:12nobody wants to live in a cage like an animal
08:18it's harder to accept being in here when you know you didn't do anything you understand
08:26and there's not a day that goes by that i don't say to myself why no matter all the things that you
08:35could have told the laws that day why the palladium eats you up
08:49i was born in the bronx i was raised by a single mother whenever you wanted to find me all you had to
09:09do is go to the handball court the baseball field basketball court i have my childhood friends where
09:14we were always together you know we were like charlie brown you know the little rat pack
09:22my life was torn from me
09:25my 20s were i want to get out of prison i want to clear my name i want to be free again
09:31there are always going to be people out there that say innocent people don't go to jail
09:35innocent people don't get arrested he had to do something wrong but these two detectives bobby
09:40alvarado and john swartz truly believed that hidago and i were innocent so that's why we have to go
09:46speak to him bobby just happens to have dan slippian producer at dateline mbc that's going to be
09:52following him around he was young eager and green but he was also hungry so i was willing to take my
09:58chance with him because i had nobody else to take a chance with we're already in here for 25 years
10:06we have nothing to lose because we already lost
10:19okay all right cool all right jolly thanks
10:39so what is that this is dd5 prepared by uh the type of the crime stoppers
10:44and says caller overheard two individuals talking about being thrown out of the palladium then coming
10:50back to retaliate they bragged about shooting two of the bouncers the call describes and identifies
10:55the males as follows spanky male hispanic 28 years old five foot eight like skin second male is joe male
11:02hispanic 20 to 23 five foot six medium beard mustache earring and ear tattoo on the arm the guy describes
11:09these guys to a t when this got called in lemus and hildago hadn't even been arrested yet bobby told
11:16me there was a decade's worth of information that made a very very strong case that david lemus and
11:24almedo hildago were actually innocent and these two other guys joey and spanky were actually guilty
11:30the palladium case was not my case it was in another borough but in 93 i arrested a guy named joey
11:40palat and he admits that he participated in the palladium homicide lady i'm shooting in a manhattan
11:48hot spot so we went to corroborate joey's story and then we find several more witnesses
11:56the manhattan district attorney's office was notified but they already had two guys locked up
12:03eventually in a hearing joey palat testified that he and spanky were the shooters
12:11but the judge he finds joey plot to be not credible and denies the motion for a new trial
12:16and david lemus and omado hildago are still sitting in jail for a crime they did not commit
12:31so john and i decided that there were definitely leads we could follow up on
12:35so here was david's problem janice katala was a girlfriend of david lemus
12:46who when she was originally interviewed by the case detective she said they were at the palladium
12:54then she turned around and said that they were home
12:58so i'd like to talk to her about exactly where they were that night
13:05i don't know if you're gonna remember who that is i remember that okay i remember that very
13:31clearly at the precinct that's when they told me well he's here for murder
13:38that night we didn't go anywhere we were home we ate we did what we had to do we watched tv
13:44and that was it we went to sleep so they kept on badgering me and i mean they were the ones telling
13:48me you guys went to the palladium okay from what you're telling me is they told you this story about
13:55being at the palladium you never volunteered any of that information no were you there that night
14:01no i wasn't there that night was david there that no he wasn't there that night okay did you sign a
14:06written statement no i didn't sign it okay you didn't write a statement i didn't write a statement i
14:10didn't they they didn't ask you to sign anything okay were you ever called to testify at a trial never
14:17never okay never when he was convicted of this murder what was your feeling i couldn't believe
14:25i really couldn't believe it and i kept on saying there's no way he was with me i kept on telling
14:30but that can't happen this bus is a lousy spot this this is the position that all those bad cop movies
14:45are right and we like to think that stuff like this doesn't go on right but i have no reason to think
14:51she's not political no she's not not at all we had somebody telling us that one of our brother
15:00officers had basically perjured himself in a police report the foundations of everything that i believed
15:11them at that point was starting to shake
15:35as part of his reinvestigation bobby wants to speak with joey palat
15:42who had confessed all those years ago that he and spanky committed the crime
15:53mip thing for a one o'clock visit
15:56you know what joey run through the whole thing we're hanging out in the club rodriguez had a
16:24little problem with his girlfriend they walked outside the bounces started being up on him that's
16:31when the shooting started i never got to let off around for my gun for what reason i don't know
16:36i cocked the gun back you jacked the slide yeah round come out yeah i did okay who had what gun
16:42i had a nine millimeter what did spanky have 38 everything was hectic the shots happened
16:50and we drove back to the bronx they know the truth not that they don't want to believe they know the truth
16:55and they just don't want to let the kids go on i don't know they told you that that i meant both of
17:01them now when when when i went for the hearing oh you did yeah i was handcuffed mr david oh really
17:09he started me a story on the bus and he didn't know who you were he didn't know who i was did you
17:13tell him yeah i called him a jackass why i'm trying to impress her he was a young kid right i know that
17:20the other kid i don't know how he got involved with it he just went and snatched him off the street
17:24he's a mystery the system sucks man should let those kids go on i'm trying i don't know that john
17:30and i we've been working this we ain't gonna stop we know the truth you know the truth i believed you
17:36back then that's why i'm still here joey repeated something critically important his gun jammed
17:48well a live nine millimeter round was found at the scene of the crime that's physical evidence
17:56that matched what joey was saying i became fully convinced that there was a real problem here
18:04is that a heavy box yeah it's a heavy burden bobby pulled in attorney steve cohen to get legal
18:23advice hi hi okay steve cohen steve also believed that the wrong guys were in prison he was one of
18:29the u.s attorneys assigned to work with bobby years earlier when joey palat confessed that he and spanky
18:35committed the crime yeah you get like more establishment looking i'm just talking about
18:44steve was now in private practice and had been working pro bono to help lemus and hildago
18:50in the year 2000 steve got a reporter to write a new york times article about lemus and hildago's plight
18:58that article led a new witness to come forward who said i was there that night spanky committed
19:04the palladium murder but what came of that nothing nobody ever deals with the fact that
19:12at the time at least lemus did not speak spanish and hidalgo at the time at least didn't speak english
19:19this is a much better case against rodriguez than they ever had against lemus and hildago you have
19:23two eyewitnesses who know the guy you have three admission witnesses who said after the fact they
19:30admitted it to them and then you have a co-conspirator who's confessing to it i don't
19:34get this amount of evidence in a normal prosecution now if you look at him and you look at him with
19:41lemus it's possible yeah you know the witnesses miss id him the next step for bobby was to go down to the
19:49manhattan d.a's office to make his case about lemus and hildago's innocence
20:02we actually don't know what we're walking into the d.a himself in petition to vacate the conviction
20:09i mean we're going in uh telling the truth here i mean if they don't take our word for it then you
20:14know what it just means that the defense attorneys then have to file their papers and make their
20:18motions all right boys and there's more time these guys are going to have to spend in jail while the
20:23wheels of justice grind slowly
20:38bobby
20:38i'm not going to comment right now about what i feel right now
20:49john do you have anything you want to say nope hi steven it's in your court
20:56right at 440 and they'll probably consent to a new hearing
20:59i was expecting to have them look at the evidence and have a discussion about it which didn't happen
21:17somebody's got to listen and if it's not going to be the da's office it'll have to be a judge
21:29in prison you're just a number
21:39they can tell you when to eat when to sleep when to shower but they can't take away your hope
21:50my mom at that time had moved to florida
21:54mom didn't want to leave new york obviously because i was incarcerated
21:57and i like literally had to force my mom like hey you gotta go go live your life i'll be good come
22:03see me once a year
22:12i'll be glad just to have you there
22:13i'm gonna make it festive that's all
22:22hi honey
22:23hello hi how are you doing
22:28all right we're just having here dinner listen yes um you know i have to make the food list you know
22:33all right because i want everything you want everything nothing's going back don't worry about
22:38it no you want me to make you a rocco gandula i want everything i want a rocco gandula i want
22:43that deal i want turkey i want steak i want it all okay no that's it this could go on forever now how
22:49how many weeks we have
22:5342 days but who's counting 42 days and how many hours
23:01okay baby all right
23:05we'll be fine
23:05i had to dye my hair are you kidding my son sees me like this and i really i only had an hour and
23:23a half sleep here i am okay i have so many things in my head i'm excited because i'm here to see my son
23:32but at the same time um this gets me very depressed the good part is i'm gonna see him
23:40and i'm really happy i can't wait i just really can't wait
23:47our timesgapings were awesome you know you're in different modular units
23:52our mothers will be there cooking food it was like oh man my mom is making turkey and my mom's
23:58making pen lean and we have racing beans and your stuffing that was the one thing that i had to look
24:04forward to
24:07he's a man if you see pictures of him when he first started it was uh you're so young you know
24:16but he's gonna be 35 years old that's no life
24:26no children no nothing
24:32it hurts more knowing that he's not guilty
24:37in my heart i know that this poor lady on the other side of the wall
24:51that's never given up on me that always believed in me
24:56you see her suffering
25:03and you can't help but feel
25:08that could have been avoided
25:26the chimes
25:36that's the chimes of freedom
25:40i was hoping they'd be out by christmas
25:42come here and light a candle for hope you know and light a candle for david and umano and for
25:48marcus peterson try to seek some strength to carry on and get this job done
26:00lemus and hildago remained in prison
26:03several months later is this on can you hear me in the spring of 2003
26:11the manhattan da's office says okay we're going to reinvestigate the case
26:14started over you have to have our input on this well let's search for the truth
26:19the box of tormented souls prosecutor dan bibb took over the reinvestigation
26:25and assigned two manhattan detectives to work on the case a couple manhattan detectives want to
26:31talk to you bobby and john were asked to go down to manhattan for a month to get the new detectives up
26:36to speed i think it's a great thing because i think anybody who looks at this is going to come to
26:41the same opinion that's why i'm more than happy to do this
26:47and the case file that he had never been able to find was there
26:55we found information that we believe never got to the defense attorneys
27:03one was spanky's sister-in-law who called up and she says spanky was responsible for the palladium
27:09murder photo arrays were done identifications were made and spanky was identified by their own witnesses
27:20they find more evidence more information that the defense attorneys never got that implicated spanky
27:29and joey so i called the legal division the lieutenant in manhattan south found out and we were
27:35reprimanded i was told point blank this is a da's investigation this isn't a police department
27:42investigation if they wanted me to do something and i disregard that order they could fire me they're
27:48still in jail you know what so am i i'm in jail in my own in my own city you know i've been stripped
27:56from my power to investigate a case we've been treated like we're not able to make a difference
28:03and that's what this job has always been to me making some kind of difference
28:20let's come on man let's talk some more
28:25let's talk about the da's over just strip me of my dignity
28:28bobby was no longer allowed to speak with anyone about the case including defense attorney steve cohen
28:37but steve was speaking with the da's office who had implied to him months earlier that the
28:43reinvestigation was weeks away from being done so steve reached out to prosecutor dan bibb to find out
28:51what the progress was message it is not my job to keep you up to speed and on exactly what we're
29:03doing what i can tell you is that the investigation is proceeding there are interviews happening every
29:10day of people with information relevant to the investigation i can also tell you that the
29:17investigation is not going to take weeks it's going to take months that's unfortunate for you i apologize
29:26but i have other obligations in the office besides this case
29:34it's pathetic i believed a month ago that they were operating in good faith
29:40i want to believe it now if this is a crock if there's nothing there why is the district attorney's
29:49office investigating anything and why is it going to take months it's about whether the district attorney's
29:55office in obtaining those convictions complied with their legal duties did they violate the law
30:04at the end of the day if i am able to prove that we are right and they are wrong
30:15what conclusion are you going to draw about them
30:20this whole case seems so obvious to me but after hearing that message it started to give me
30:27a real education about how the system really works i wanted to speak with the manhattan d.a's office and
30:35i reached out to them many times for an interview but they never agreed to give me one
30:40last day last day just police department it's been good to me i have no problem with the police
30:58department but i've had a problem with everything else that's going on how's it feel like before you
31:03get on a roller coaster scary like you don't know what's uh you don't know what's coming you know it's
31:24that's it huh that's it you're retired
31:27i felt i needed to leave after what happened last year what do you mean what happened last year
31:38the fact that the case the palladium case was taken away from me and you know basically i was
31:45told i couldn't investigate that case it's it's unbelievable it's unbelievable not the way you
31:52wanted to go out no not long after bobby retired the defense filed a motion for a new hearing
32:03i thought the right thing was to go to the da's office tell them what i knew tell them that i
32:07thought the wrong guys were in jail again they then said to me give us six weeks they asked us
32:13to delay as they investigated this case 19 months is what it actually took
32:22steve cohen got two new attorneys to work pro bono to represent lemus and hildago
32:35within the 12 years that these two men have been in prison
32:38not a single piece of evidence has surfaced showing that these two men committed the crime
32:46the defense was arguing that there was evidence that wasn't turned over that could possibly
32:51exculpate them the da's office denied it morales was identified as an additional participant the
32:58prosecution's theory of this case was oh yeah we know about spanky we've always known about spanky
33:06he's a third shooter with lemus and hildago the one person who both the prosecution and the defense
33:12agree was indisputably involved in the shooting has never been arrested and remains scot-free
33:20mr bibb i must say it there is something that's puzzling to the court it is the subject of continuing
33:29discussion within my office the point counsel makes is um trouble in other words if your theory is correct
33:40why is that person unprosecuted that also is the subject of continuing discussions in my office
33:49by this point dan bibb had been speaking with me telling me that he believed that lemus and hildago were
33:55innocent yet here he is standing up protecting the convictions i was shocked when we see you standing
34:04up in court at that point do you believe that the conviction should have been overturned
34:11yes it's not like i can jump up in a courtroom and say
34:16let's set aside these convictions i had a client my client was the people of the state of new york
34:27as represented by the elected district attorney so he was calling the shots he was aware of what
34:33was going on it becomes fairly i guess obvious that spanky had something to do with this it's obvious to
34:40me when i read the file that spanky had something to do with it
34:56both prosecutors and the defense agreed that spanky was involved with this murder
35:02yet spanky remained a free man i felt a responsibility to get to the truth
35:07and that's when i found spanky this is lamus in hildago
35:19no i do not know any of them you don't know either one of them no you never spoke to them before no
35:26were they known in your neighborhood did they hang out in the neighborhood no i've never seen them before
35:31okay is there anything else you want to say about it i just came on my own to fix a little problem
35:40what they're saying that i know these guys i'm not hiding from nobody they know where i'm at they're
35:44saying that they got an abundance of evidence that i have something involved with this um with this
35:48thing you know and i just want to make it clear in the record that i don't know these guys
35:52i produced a dateline hour about the case in 2005 we put spanky on tv and a couple of months later he
36:02was finally arrested thomas spanky morales an admitted former gang member from the bronx
36:10is charged with second degree murder in the death of marcus peterson two of the bouncers who were there
36:15that night saw the shooter saw the show and said they were absolutely certain that spanky was the gunman
36:22and that's what they testified to at the hearing there was a mistake of identification to where
36:27the guy that had the altercation with me was spanky it was neither one of these guys i've never seen
36:33either one of these guys in my life meanwhile lemus and hildago are in hell they're living in rikers
36:41island going back and forth to court for these hearings over the course of nine months or so
36:52regarding the defendant almedo hidalgo only the court accepts the people's recommendation the charges are
37:01dismissed against mr no one could believe what just happened after years and years of fighting
37:21prosecutors walk into the courtroom and say okay we agreed to vacate hildago's conviction
37:27but lemus they said he was still the shooter
37:33two months after hildago's release judge hayes was finally prepared to make a ruling in david lamus's case
38:02two months after hildago's case
38:09he's coming
38:10he's coming
38:10he's coming
38:10he's coming
38:11he's coming
38:13he's coming
38:15he's coming
38:17he's coming
38:29hopefully this is the day that all our lives begin again
38:34yes
38:47mr lemus
38:49your motion to vacate your convictions of murder and attempted murder based on newly discovered evidence
38:57is granted
39:17come here
39:18Okay, everything is about crying.
39:39Good luck, baby.
39:41Good luck.
39:43Do something good with your life, man.
39:44Glory be my life.
39:46Glory be my life.
39:47You love me.
39:48Yeah.
39:48Take care of yourself.
39:50Take care of your family, okay?
39:54Bobby, how do you feel?
39:58I honestly feel like a weight has been lifted, man.
40:02I really do.
40:03Do you ever feel like something just lifts off you?
40:06I have that feeling right now.
40:08This was the highlight of my career.
40:11How are you feeling at this moment?
40:12I feel great.
40:15Today is a very good day.
40:16How does mama feel right now?
40:18I really can't express the joy that I feel at the court in years.
40:24I just want to just watch this and fade off into the sunset.
40:27After Spanky was arrested, he made an argument to the court that you, the prosecutor, had
40:43so much evidence that I was guilty at the time of the crime, it is a violation of my constitutional
40:51rights to arrest me a decade and a half later because I can't get a fair trial.
40:56And he won.
40:57And the case was dropped against him.
41:01It was all too much for prosecutor Dan Bibb.
41:03He retired from the DA's office, disgusted, he told me, by how it handled the Palladium case.
41:10But the DA's office maintained that Bibb was never asked to protect the convictions of
41:16anyone he believed to be innocent.
41:17Spanky got on the stand and said he was the gunman and he had no idea who David
41:33Lemus was.
41:34Why did it need to get to that?
41:37In the end, David Lemus was acquitted.
41:41Were you surprised at the verdict?
41:42Oh, come on.
41:43Absolutely not.
41:45Once they found me not guilty, the prosecutors immediately stood up and walked out the courtroom.
41:50They take lives, and they never look back, and then they're not held accountable.
41:59There are hundreds of thousands of people incarcerated.
42:02If you have one that's innocent, that's one too many.
42:08During my incarceration, I met a lot of people that said they were innocent, but with JJ, it was different.
42:15What I saw in JJ was what I saw in my reflection and mirror.
42:20When he spoke about his case, you see that hurt, that pain, you know, to just feel it in my gut, like this guy is telling the truth, and this guy is me in another form.
42:33He became a friend, and his family became my family.
42:41I would give my life for him.
42:44I spoke to Dan, I was like, hey, you really need to talk to this guy.
42:48I visited JJ a few times, but I was busy working on the Palladium case.
42:58So, after David Lemus' release, I went to Sing Sing with my camera to visit JJ.
43:06I need you to be honest with me every step of the way.
43:24Good things, bad things, everything.
43:26You have my honesty, Dan.
43:27You know, when I bring this up to people on the outside, so I think there's another case.
43:36Right.
43:37Like, yeah, right, sure, everybody's innocent.
43:41All I can do to anybody that doesn't believe me is to challenge me.
43:44Go out there and find the facts in my case and prove me guilty.
43:47Because when you do that, you'll find that I'm innocent.
43:54I had absolutely no idea what I was getting myself into.
43:59Or how unbelievably deep this problem goes.
44:05You know, I don't know.
44:13You know what I was saying.
44:14I don't know.
44:17I know.
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