Killer Grannies Season 1 Episode 3

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00:00Grandmothers are safe, sweet, loving, the ones you trust most.

00:11Lois Reese, Midwestern grandmother to five kids, seemed no different.

00:17But what if this granny wasn't trustworthy at all?

00:20What if behind that smile was not just a con artist, but a killer?

00:26A 911 call came in to the Lee County Sheriff's Office from Marina Village at Snug Harbor.

00:34An innocent woman is found murdered while on vacation in Florida.

00:39The girl I know there said, my God, Barb, didn't you know Pam was murdered?

00:43It just made me sick.

00:45The victim is captured on camera with a suspect that looks just like her.

00:50It showed her with like a female companion or a female friend.

00:54And they're walking through the parking lot together, going up the elevator, walking down the hallway into the unit together.

01:01And from that point forward, I never saw the victim on surveillance footage again.

01:10I never would have thought that this is who my suspect was in this case.

01:15We believe that she was on the run.

01:17Our grandmas are the people that you can go to and be comforted when bad things happen.

01:23She was that for her grandchildren.

01:27Her grandchildren and my children were the same age, and we took them everywhere together.

01:31You would never in a million years think that she could commit a crime like that.

01:35My biggest fear was, I don't want her to do this again.

01:38There's a dead body in one of the units.

01:56emergency yes it's marina village at snog harbor condominium i managed the building and uh there's

02:05a dead body in one of the units lee county investigators rushed to the condo complex

02:12to respond to the incident initially when i made entrance into the unit i did smell

02:19something that was foul i also noticed that the air in the unit was turned down like it was cold

02:25in there i noticed then at the door that separates the bedroom from the master bathroom was closed

02:33but at the base of the door there appeared to be towels jammed at the bottom of it that may be to

02:38keep a smell in or out or to muffle the sound of something and once we go in we find that that's

02:45where the body was the decedent was on the floor feet towards the door

02:56a towel was draped over the decedent's arms and head area we were unable to see any wounds on her

03:03it was hard to see if there was any kind of struggle i was still up in the air with it

03:09when the medical examiner arrives they start lifting the sheets and towels off you could tell that it

03:15was a female there is a pillow near in the body with what appears to be a gunshot hole through it

03:22there's some soot on the outside of it that was possibly used to muffle the sound of a gun being

03:28shot at close range the female was older i would say 60s we saw a probable bullet wound we then realized

03:39that it turned into a full-blown homicide that she had been killed

03:41at that point we did not locate a weapon there was no indication of a struggle there was no defensive

03:52marks as far as we could tell on the decedent it looked as if she had just been taken by surprise

04:00marina village at snug harbors the apartment condo complex

04:04it's used as timeshare so it does kind of have a transient occupancy a little bit

04:10we got the name from the complainant of hey this lady is the one who checked in

04:16we checked her driver's license she had checked in as pamela hutchinson

04:21but no one felt comfortable enough at that time at least to make a positive identification

04:26because of the decomp to the face and the bloating and everything i knew i had an elderly female she

04:32was supposedly there by herself i'm thinking to myself maybe someone followed her home tried to

04:38rob her it turned bad i just didn't know at that point with their investigation stretching through the

04:45night detectives hope an autopsy can give them some new information they decide to wait to tell the family

04:53until they can be sure that the body is pam hutchinson it was a small caliber round that killed our victim

05:01possibly a 22 caliber we were able to identify her through dental records the victim in the bathroom

05:10was identified as pamela hutchinson so we start making phone calls to next of kin

05:24i was at a local bar restaurant when pam's cousin-in-law called me to inform me that pam had been murdered

05:32i was devastated i mean you hear about things like that happening every day to somebody else but you

05:43don't think that can ever happen to somebody you know

05:50i live in bradenton florida and i met pam hutchinson in late 2015. she was somebody that would strike up a

06:01conversation with anybody pam kind of had that southern hospitality i felt like he knew her all my life

06:15she was raised down south and her family used to have a peanut stand where they'd sell peanuts along

06:20the road she was from virginia beach her father died when she was real young but she was really close

06:28to her mother then the mother passed away not too long before she came down here seeking

06:35a new life after she broke up with her husband while i was searching for a place to purchase

06:44i ran into pam and she said why don't you move in with me for a while from the start we just clicked

06:50we like the same things we like to bake we both believed in god we both jabbered a lot

06:58the detectives reach out to pam's family and friends to pick up the details about pam's trip to fort

07:06myers beach so i was living with pam at the time she decided that she was going to go to sanibel island at

07:13fort myers beach she had come down to the area to be with a friend whose husband had passed and they

07:20were going to scatter his ashes on sanibel island which is an island in the area we did text when she

07:28arrived at fort myers beach yeah i made it okay good go have a good time just relax life is short

07:36and then i didn't hear from her after that i owned a timeshare at marina village for many years

07:52so i called marina village at snug harbor and i said what's going on the girl i know there said my god

07:59barb didn't you know pam was murdered and i'm just like what it just made me sick

08:12i never recalled pam having any enemies that would ever consider doing her harm

08:21she was actually what i considered my best friend at the time

08:26it's uh still hard to get over you know

08:39word of pam's death gets around fast but her poor family doesn't have any idea who might have done it

08:46the fort myers detectives keep digging hoping they can find anything that'll point to who's behind this

08:52awful crime the lee county sheriff's office knew that pamela had come down on vacation to help a

08:58friend of hers whose husband had just died shortly before at that point they didn't really have a

09:05suspect they started to look at the surveillance videos to try and see who maybe had been with pamela

09:12at that point when we were collecting all the evidence in the unit we found a receipt for the

09:18smoking oyster brewery it had a date and time stamp on it we sent detectives to the restaurant and they

09:25collected the video for that time stamp we also made contact with the complainant from marina village at

09:32snug harbor and asked to review her surveillance footage

09:39we were starting to go back to the day that our victim arrived and watching her come in we see what kind

09:45of car she was driving a white acura four-door vehicle

10:06the footage shows that pam is alone at the condo from april 3rd to april 5th but what about after that

10:15detectives decide to take a gander at the footage they collected from april 6th at the smoking oyster

10:22brewery and that's where we see footage of our victim but it also showed her with like a female companion

10:30or a female friend the female was very talkative very jovial like easy to get along with um she was

10:38talking to everybody that got close to her so after finishing their meal at smoking oyster brewery they

10:45both left the area together so did pam go back to her condo with her new friend the investigators

10:54checked the footage from the complex to find out about an hour after both of them were seen walking to

11:02the room together they're walking through the parking lot together going up the elevator walking down

11:09the hallway into the unit together

11:13a short time later the female which she entered with came out kind of looking distraught

11:20so it was it was concerning at that point it looked as if she was almost talking to herself she

11:26was walking around she was leaning over again it looked like she was upset emotionally and from

11:32that point forward i never saw the victim on surveillance footage again at that point then we

11:39knew who we were looking for a white female i would guesstimate between 50 60 years of age

11:45i was surprised i'm thinking wow this reminds me of my grandma

11:54her facade was probably of an innocent lady you can tell something was changing in her

12:01she had a love for the casinos a love for gambling it has become this odd crime spree

12:09of the most unassuming looking grandmother i was concerned about her trying to go to mexico

12:16i was like this is a problem

12:33when poor pam hutchinson is discovered shot to death in her fort myers rental investigators

12:39sift through hours and hours of footage looking for one unusual suspect in particular

12:46i never would have thought that this is who my suspect was in this case

12:50she had blonde hair she wasn't very tall maybe five five five six and those again are characteristics

12:58that were somewhat similar to our victim at that point i wasn't sure if it was a friend but to me

13:05it appeared as if she had just met this person it was my belief that the homicide probably had occurred

13:13on april 5th just before we saw the suspect exit the room and appear distraught

13:21on surveillance footage on april 6 2018 i no longer see our victim coming and going i only see our suspect

13:28coming coming and going from the victim's room it appeared as if she took a lot of evidence from the

13:34unit itself she was also adorning herself in the victim's clothing specifically a hat i remember in

13:42sunglasses and it was almost as if she was assuming her identity

13:46and we see her driving away in our victim's car at this point once we saw her leave with the victim's

13:57vehicle and we no longer had her on any surveillance footage we believed that she was on the run

14:03she had a head start from us from the time we last saw the suspect on surveillance to the time of the

14:11911 call was about four days we got to figure out where she's at we start looking for our victim's

14:18car we're putting license plates into our license plate reader system flagging them as a homicide suspect

14:27at that point we knew of no witnesses we did an extensive canvas of everyone that was

14:33in the building some had already come and gone again this is spring break

14:41but there's no obvious way that pam and the gray-haired mystery lady would know each other

14:47the only clue the guys have to work with are the two cars caught on tape at the crime scene

14:53pam's acura and the other ladies escalade they check recent police reports to see if anything comes up

15:02before we found the body our units on the beach were provided information to be on the lookout for lois

15:08reese from minnesota because they believed that she had been in the area in her white escalade

15:14lois reese had a warrant for her arrest out of blooming prairie minnesota and reference to a fraud

15:20case now there's an aha moment their suspect was in a white escalade too could it be the same one lois

15:28reese was driving it was just let me just take a chance let me just see i called the local jurisdiction

15:37up in minnesota but this one just kind of took me by surprise they had a murder investigation on going

15:45there lois reese was a person of interest at the time they didn't have charges on her for murder

15:51but her husband david reese was killed so they were looking for her the dodge county sheriff's

15:57office had mentioned that they had secured an arrest warrant for her because she withdrew

16:01approximately 11 000 from david reese's bank account after she had fled the area even though

16:08the police in minnesota figured that lois reese had flipped from kindly grandmother to husband killer

16:14they could only get a warrant for the money she stole from his account i asked them for a photo of the

16:21person of interest that they had up in minnesota and i took that photo i printed it off and as i'm

16:26watching the surveillance footage i put it right up next to the screen and i paused it and i said that's

16:33her i spoke specifically and directly with the detectives involved with the murder investigation

16:41and the grand theft investigation and they relayed the scene that they encountered in that area

16:47they told me they received a call to do a welfare check on david reese

17:00dave's employees had not seen him for almost two weeks and lois had been telling them that he was ill

17:08on the 22nd they saw lois driving out in dave's white escalade

17:16the employees said something's up so they called the local police to come and do a welfare check

17:26blooming prairie police went to the house knocked couldn't get anybody

17:30walked around found an open window in the back which is unusual because it's march in minnesota

17:36and they saw a body through the window that was open

17:40they were able to make entry get inside the house made their way to the master bath

17:48and the door was closed things up against the door

17:52they found who they believed to be david reese in the bathroom

17:59it did not look like the body had moved it looked like dave laid where he fell after he got shot twice

18:06again covered with a towel according to the dodge county sheriff's office david had been dead for

18:13at least a few days and at that point the lowest was nowhere to be found

18:22it sounded very similar to what i had found in the unit down here

18:26the victim up in minnesota was killed in the bathroom it appeared to be a small caliber round

18:33and then also a towel was draped over the decedent up in minnesota same as down here

18:37the bathroom window was open to again letting cold air again similar to lois dropping the air in the unit

18:47she turned the air down try to keep the smell out i was shocked i would have never just thought

18:53walking down the street oh that lady's responsible for the deaths of two people

18:58everything we put out at that point was she's wanted and she's considered armed and dangerous

19:03we needed to find her as soon as possible because my biggest fear was i don't want her to do this again

19:24investigators in florida find out that their suspect lois reese likely shot her poor husband

19:30in minnesota two weeks before she did the same thing to pam hutchinson they put the word out

19:37all over the state to be on the lookout for lois and then pry into her past to see if they can figure

19:43out why she did it lois and dave moved to blooming prairie about 2005 or six somewhere in there

19:54dave and lois were really a friendly couple everybody loved to hang out with them and laugh with them

19:58and they were really happy to be on lois was born and raised in rochester minnesota dave also grew up

20:06in rochester lois dropped out of high school as a junior and was already dating dave they got married

20:14and had three children very quickly lois she just had this instant draw she was just super fun very sweet

20:25great laugh and just makes you feel very comfortable lois for many years while her children were young

20:33especially had a daycare in her home if you went to lois's daycare you were privileged like she everybody

20:41wanted lois to watch her kids she was phenomenal she was a good mom and a good grandmother and did the

20:50things that good moms and grandmas are supposed to do our grandmas are the people that you can go to

20:57and and be comforted when bad things happen lois was bad for her grandchildren her grandchildren and

21:05my children were the same age and we took them everywhere together bringing them to like the zoo and the

21:12beach and just doing lots of fun stuff she's just like the sweetest little grandma dave was a jolly fun

21:23guy if you were in a bad mood sit by date because he'd have you laughing in a minute he had this

21:29infectious deep laugh always told jokes love to talk about fishing that was his favorite thing to do

21:35dave ran a wax worm business so he actually grew wax worms from nothing and they would sell them at

21:46fisheries bait shops stuff like that lois seemed very happy so did dave you never would have guessed

21:55there was like deeper problems involved i think it wasn't until later on in the years where you can

22:06tell something was changing in her everyone knew that lois and dave liked to go to the casino especially

22:13lois it was something that a lot of the bluing prairie people their age did on the weekends later on

22:23when she would call me and be like hey can i use you for an excuse i'm going to the casino and i don't

22:31want dave to know that's when i kind of realized that maybe it was getting a little a little too much

22:40she had confided a couple times just exhausted and i said to her i'm like you're going to snap

22:46i panicked because then we find out dave's dead and lois is nowhere to be found she's not answering

22:57my phone calls not texting me back so then i'm like oh my gosh did something happen to her was

23:02she kidnapped was she murdered and taken away like i had no idea two weeks later lois has managed to

23:15avoid minnesota police for killing her husband and florida police for killing pan and the cops

23:22realized that she could already be days and miles ahead of them so while they look for her they try to

23:29figure out what she was up to right before she killed pam so prior to the homicide we had learned

23:37that lois reese was spotted on fort myers beach by tess coster a part-time resident of florida

23:45we were part-time here and part-time in minnesota

23:50tess was from blooming prairie and so she was aware of the murder investigation that was happening up in that

23:55area at the time and knew about lois reese and what she may be wanted for

24:07on april 2nd i was cleaning my garage then i saw this pearl colored cadillac escalade pull up in our

24:16driveway and someone got out looked at the house number and so i stepped out of the garage and said

24:21can i help you and she looked up and just shock was in her eyes and she said wrong house wrong house

24:28and looked down like this and shook her head and went around to her escalade and got in and drove away

24:36well my heart just started started pounding because here was lois reese in my driveway

24:44when she saw the person who she believed to be lois in the driveway

24:48it scared her and she wanted to make you know the sheriff's office aware down here which she did but

24:55unfortunately she was able to stay hidden from us a few days later lois reese killed our victim

25:04i'm thinking she was after me first she got fouled out because i saw her and called 911 on her

25:11she had a plan in mind but tests interrupted that and so instead of moving forward at that point she just

25:18took a step back and went another way the detectives figured that lois switched gears and decided that

25:26someone like pam wouldn't see her coming lois was clearly desperate she was definitely looking for more

25:34money and more options in homicides that i've worked everything has a reason and this reason in my mind was

25:44to assume the identity of the victim and use it for what she could i think she targeted her because

25:53they were similar someone like-minded similar characteristics skin color hair age she's already

26:01committed two murders and she's still in the wind

26:04we did search warrants on the financial information for lois but then also for our victim as well

26:14she had made several withdrawals from atms using the victim's information a couple days after the murder

26:23we also have her on video up in the ocala area central florida checking into a hotel under the identity

26:30of our victim wearing the same hat that our victim had in her room however by the time i found this lois

26:36had already come and gone we know we have you we just got to find you and you're assuming the identity of

26:43our victim double murdering granny lois reese has a jump on lee county cops so they cast a wider net across

27:02the south to see if they can catch back up sure enough another clue turns up

27:07we had tracked her to a casino in louisiana and found out that she hit a jackpot for 1500

27:20she actually used her own name and id to claim the winnings she did have a gambling addiction and that

27:27may very well be a good reason as to why lois used her own information to collect the winning

27:34she felt proud it made me mad that she just seemed to be out there enjoying herself and just continuing

27:42to live her life knowing that she had committed one murder in florida and most likely another one in

27:48minnesota but lois is slippery she's long gone days before police get the alert and they're once again

27:58left chasing her shadow i was able to present the case to the state attorney's office and walked a

28:05warrant through for the murder at which point then that went nationwide we alerted everybody that we

28:13could federal agencies state law enforcement local agencies anywhere and everywhere that we think she

28:19may be going we made them aware to be on the lookout for one lois reese herself but then also the vehicle

28:25that she was driving it became an all-points bulletin across the united states they put up bulletin boards

28:32around lots of different areas texas louisiana florida with pamela's picture and information on it

28:39so it became more than just a florida or a minnesota story it became a coast-to-coast story

28:45lois became known very well known as the killer grandma

28:48with lois's escape route now crossing state lines the heat gets turned way up the hunt for granny is now

28:59nationwide people wanted answers and people needed to know i mean she knew a lot of people in that town

29:09do you think she's around here do you think she might shoot anybody else

29:12the whole entire community was completely shocked and very sad very sad like i said everybody loved

29:21dave everybody loved lois so it was mad at lois it was sad about dave it was a very crazy dynamic that

29:30was going on there i had to actually turn the tvs off and not let anyone turn them on because my sons were

29:37small and dave and lois were grandma and grandpa to them my thoughts on seeing lois wearing pam's clothes

29:50i can't hardly comprehend it right now because it really bothers me it's just so abusive

29:59it's just a terrible reminder of what happened to pam i definitely wanted her caught

30:09please god get her before she kills another woman

30:14killer granny lois is just leaving chaos in her wake but the search stretches into another week without

30:21the cops catching up to her however they do catch the news that she's headed south

30:26there were several other license plate reader pits along a route to texas heading south

30:37i had a thought that she would be trying to leave the country

30:42who knows where she's going next but i think we know she could kill someone again because

30:46that's already happened twice we were attracting lois through license plate readers on the victim's car

30:53and eventually it came to south padre island

31:00south padre island texas was very close to the border

31:05on april 19th we received information from the u.s marshal service that she had went into

31:12a bar and restaurant called dirty owls and basically was looking at a menu and the manager there actually

31:19recognized her and called in a tip to the local police department or the marshals service

31:25when the marshals got to south padre they canvassed the area and actually located the vehicle

31:31at a restaurant right adjacent to dirty owls they got the marshals rallied and trooped up

31:38and lois was by then sitting in the bar and yucking it up like she didn't have a care in the world

31:47i was elated she wasn't going to be able to keep this up forever

31:50i was elated she wasn't going to be able to be able to keep this up in the world

31:57cops have been looking

32:01cops have been looking everywhere for double murdering grandma lois reese

32:06but the u.s marshals finally catch up and she's just sitting there sipping a drink in south padre

32:12just a hop skip and a jump from mexico this cadre of marshals moved in four or five of them and said

32:21we're gonna take you outside don't make a scene there was no resistance from lois and it was very

32:28interesting to me how just calm cool and collected she was she didn't fight she didn't resist she

32:33didn't ask a bunch of questions she got up off her chair and out they went

32:39she almost just went willingly with the authorities i think lois knew that she was caught that it was

32:49done there was a bulletin over the associated press that that she had been arrested when i heard that

32:58they had caught her at south padre island it was really a relief it was like this is one closure

33:07they caught her the grandma killer arrangements were made for us to fly out to south padre island

33:18we knew we wanted to speak with her and we were hoping that she would speak with us

33:23i remember her being led from the holding cell into the interview room and she kind of just looked

33:29right through me and so instead of her being the outgoing jovial person that we see once she was

33:37caught her whole demeanor changed she was defeated almost and without saying another word she said she

33:45wanted an attorney with lois lawyered up there's no way she's going to confess

33:51so it's up to the cops to find some physical evidence that can tie this granny to the two murders

34:00she had secured a hotel room at a motel 6 just down the street according to hotel receipts

34:08lois checked in on april 9th she lived the good life for 10 days before they caught up to her

34:15we were able to secure search warrants for the motel room where she was staying at and we found two

34:21handguns a nine millimeter and a 22 caliber the 22 caliber specifically we believed to be the murder

34:29weapon we found the victim's clothing and specifically the hat that was shown on surveillance footage

34:37of her wearing at the bank at the hotel after she had committed the murder also something of note was

34:44a black bag kind of like a go bag and inside there was latex gloves there was duct tape

34:50there was our victim's personal information her wallet driver's license

34:59i think that lois in her desperation because she was i'm sure getting antsy wanting to gamble

35:06with this addiction of hers i think she knew that pam had money

35:10i think she killed pamela to get another car and to get more money and so she clearly had a bit of a

35:20pattern so she gets to south padre island she goes and finds herself a spot to sit and kind of blend in

35:31and start hunting

35:32we did an extensive canvas and we spoke with numerous people that she came into contact with

35:40we were able to confirm with a lot of witnesses she was just having a great time hanging with people

35:47having drinks at the bar hanging out by the pool she told some people that she was a grandmother she had

35:53kids grandkids grandkids that she was a widow that her husband died recently her facade was probably of

36:00an innocent lady anybody will talk to her

36:06i came across a lady who said that she interacted often with lois they went to dinner together she

36:13actually invited her at one point back to her own house she had kind of befriended lois

36:19i remember specifically she had different color hair but i also know that in the search warrant at

36:25the motel room there was hair dye that we collected it was a dark color just like the witness out there

36:33and she possibly thought that she might be her next victim

36:39i do think she was planning on killing somebody in south padre also and getting a new identity to go

36:46across the border so between this gal and sal padre and myself we're very lucky that we're still here

36:55it was a relief that she'd been caught that this so-called manhunt for the killer grandma was over and

37:00now came a hard part the court case this was a seminal moment for this case

37:07the court proceedings facing here in florida and in minnesota as well

37:16after she led the cops on a many-state wild goose chase killer granny lois reese has to face the music

37:28for killing pam hutchinson in florida and her husband david reese in minnesota

37:35so in florida she was charged with first-degree homicide she was also charged in minnesota with

37:41first-degree homicide based on the crime death penalty was on the table for her once lois is

37:50locked up and staring down the consequences including the possibility of the death penalty

37:56she suddenly has a change of heart i eventually heard that lois pled guilty to the crime of murder down

38:03here in exchange for the death penalty being taken off the table

38:14i wanted it to go to trial they claimed that they didn't want to put the family through any

38:21extra whatever but i'd have been in court every day i wanted no mercy for her

38:27on december 18th 2019 in lee county court lois pled guilty to murder it became a huge story

38:39major breaking news the so-called killer grandma on fort mayors beach will spend the rest of her

38:43life in prison after pleading guilty once the case was wrapped up in florida she was then transported

38:50up to minnesota where she also entered a plea of guilty up there all investigators can hope is that

38:57lois's statement just shows us all how she went from loving grandmother to husband killer and everything

39:05spiraled from there down a path of fraud and murder lois's story is that he was mad and they had argued

39:15and that he walked into their bedroom and he had a 22 in his bedroom handed her the gun and said well

39:25why don't you just kill yourself she claims that that just set her off and she said i aimed right at his

39:35heart and i pulled the trigger

39:37i didn't believe that based on where he was in the bathroom i mean if she did have that argument

39:46outside of the bathroom where the guns were kept she's not moving that man into the bathroom

39:51that's why i think she snuck up on him just like she probably did our victim in formars beach

39:58everything's a lie with her

39:59lois's addiction from what the authorities in minnesota told me was gambling she had a love for

40:09the casinos a love for gambling and that was part of the problem that she had with her husband from

40:16what i was told the waxworm farm was successful but it was not making money because lois was spending it

40:24all and asking dave for more money and not terribly long before he was killed he said i'm done i'm

40:33cutting her off and i just think that everything caught up with her that's the only thing i could

40:39think of why she would do any of this it's just a legit mental breakdown

40:47she finally reached a breaking point and she chose the most drastic route

40:51in florida she got a life sentence and eventually she got the same in minnesota

41:05it was just so sad that you know to lose a friend and lose dave lose her and you want to still love

41:14them because you're your friend but what she did was so horrible

41:17and to this day it's still crazy to me like i just don't i still can't wrap my head around it

41:32dave was fantastic his laugh was so contagious if you ever heard his laugh you will never forget it

41:39super friendly he'd love to like give hugs and he was just so great

41:48one of my favorite memories of pam when she would come home if i wasn't up she'd wake me up and we'd

41:55sit there and talk for two three hours until i'd finally say pam i've got to go to bed

42:02and we would jabber jabber for hours just talk and laugh and joke she just had a good heart she had a very

42:10good heart

42:14i mean the ripple effects of not only heard her murder victims but people who love them her own

42:22children her own grandchildren i mean oh god the pain

42:27i feel like lois kind of tainted the grandmother image for all of us i have 10 grandkids myself

42:36love them all dearly talk about them all the time just like she does

42:41and as a grandmother myself i can't imagine being less than the best example i can be for my grandchildren

42:47and that's how it should be that's just how it should be

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