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A Storyville documentary: two politicians from opposing parties join forces on an unlikely mission to lead Zimbabwe through the process of writing a new constitution.
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00:00:00I don't know.
00:00:30Democracy in Africa, it's a difficult proposition because always the opposition will want much
00:00:49more than what it deserves.
00:00:53We need the transformation of the system that Mugabe has implemented over the last 30 years.
00:01:09They will get arrested and get bashed by the police.
00:01:15How do you go into an election when the opposition is being battered?
00:01:25Mugabe's crackdown on our people leaves a trail of broken limbs, rape victims, torture victims
00:01:34and dead bodies.
00:01:36Mugabe, congratulations on stealing the election.
00:01:43A stolen election would not be a democratic election at all.
00:01:48You talk to President Becker, he's going to issue a statement.
00:01:50Thank you very much.
00:02:17The end is coming.
00:02:32It has happened elsewhere in history.
00:02:35I know that the system ultimately cracks down and the dictators go.
00:02:40Mugabe is not going to last for long.
00:02:47I want to befriend my former enemies and get them on my side.
00:02:56Change, change, change the picture, change the picture.
00:02:59Be seen as a man of peace.
00:03:02Even if you are not, the game of politics is pretending.
00:03:17I want to befriend my former enemies and get them on my side.
00:03:47At all, the immunization is not going to last for long.
00:03:51I want to be STEVE, the second revolution.
00:03:55Revolution you can spread it.
00:03:58And the only things that you are going to last for long time is not going to last for long.
00:04:02The whole other � Plaист's life and are still not going to last for long.
00:04:06I want to study long.
00:04:08Tata na kukalataziwa kutimunu mutema
00:04:12Ano kwanaku zinyilira umwe munu mutema
00:04:15Takasu ataku itandese kuti
00:04:19Takuru wa hondo hechipiri
00:04:21Hondo hechipiri wanamai
00:04:24Ya hondo hemuru momanji
00:04:26Ya hondo hefungwa
00:04:28Saka
00:04:30Takawiri rana
00:04:32Kutukuvane kuvamsua
00:04:34Ten April
00:04:36Today we're in the spring of the year and the Weasel of the year, New Orleans.
00:04:44We have to get out of here and get out of here.
00:04:48We have to get out of here because of that.
00:04:53We have to get out of here for this year before.
00:04:57We have to get out of here.
00:05:00We have to get out of here.
00:19:03Well, next.
00:19:06Let's take care of the meu partners.
00:19:08There's something to love for you.
00:19:09Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey.
00:19:35Hey, hey, hey, hey.
00:19:38Hey, don't you know Zimbabwe?
00:19:42Okay, sure, we know.
00:19:44Don't you know Zimbabwe?
00:19:46No, let me explain to you.
00:19:48I don't want you to explain.
00:19:50No, it was the constitution.
00:19:52We can go.
00:19:54Get the fuck out of here!
00:19:56Get the fuck out of here!
00:19:58Get the fuck out of here!
00:20:00I'm telling you!
00:20:06Sorry, Shaman.
00:20:08Sorry, Shaman.
00:20:10Who are you to come to?
00:20:12I don't care if you have proper cop or whatever.
00:20:16Okay, we'll go. Please, please, please.
00:20:18I'm really sorry about that.
00:20:20Shaman, come on.
00:20:22Get the fuck out of here!
00:20:24I'm telling you.
00:20:26Get the fuck out of here!
00:20:28Alright, alright, alright.
00:20:46One day the land shall be free.
00:20:56The select committee, COPAC, would like to update the nation on the developments that have taken place so far during the constitution outreach program.
00:21:14Although there were challenges when the process started, there's been some remarkable progress in areas where meetings have been held.
00:21:24Some people are claiming that there's been some violence in some provinces.
00:21:27I must say categorically that these reports are false.
00:21:31When you're saying that there have been no incidents of violence, you can categorically say that the reports about outreach monitors being assaulted are absolutely false.
00:21:42So far, all the meetings we have conducted are peaceful.
00:21:46If anyone else calling himself whatever visited a bureau and got assaulted, we cannot account for that.
00:21:52Those who have been dreaming of Zimbabwe fighting during the constitution-making process, continue to perpetuate these lies, but in the fullness of time, they will eat humble pie.
00:22:01There's so much fiction in this country.
00:22:03You would dream Mangona beating you up and you would fear to come in.
00:22:06But Mangona is smelling it too.
00:22:08The outreach teams are now moving on from the rural areas to the urban centers and to the capital city, Hirare.
00:22:20These are opposition's strongholds, not under ZONPF control.
00:22:25There have been some kind of kind of bustling, that's the story of Kanafa.
00:22:32You are speaking to the Central, where Kanafa, they have been recently and a lot of the history pieces.
00:22:38But they have probably been able to hear even a few.
00:22:40They are disorganized.
00:22:44They come here with a nice noise.
00:22:46They are drunk, they don't finish this statement.
00:22:50They come back.
00:22:52They are almost three quarters of a mile,
00:22:56as these people are over 22,000 meters.
00:23:00The problem here.
00:23:01When you're getting married,
00:23:03you're not going to get married.
00:23:08Ah, you're not going to get married,
00:23:11because there is a busing thing,
00:23:13there is an intimidation of Mayulzi,
00:23:14there is something, there is an obvious.
00:23:17I'm going to get married.
00:23:20This is my son.
00:23:24It's my son today.
00:23:27Yeah.
00:23:28That's true.
00:23:37I have the same name.
00:23:38Oh, yeah.
00:23:39Look, Zillow.
00:23:41I'm sorry.
00:23:42Hey.
00:23:42I'm sorry.
00:23:45Hey, what does it bring?
00:23:46Hey.
00:23:47They don't have structures. We have solid structures which function when I give an instruction
00:24:14from up there, it filters down straight to the street. And that is why most of the people
00:24:22who are attending these sessions are from our party.
00:24:34Kopak is now in Arare, starting today. Can you tell us an update?
00:24:39Yes, outreach started very well in Arare,
00:24:42with the meetings being well attended. The meetings were very peaceful.
00:24:47People were making their contributions freely, expressing their views as freely as possible.
00:24:52We were quite happy with the way things turned out.
00:24:55And we looked at the end of the meeting.
00:24:57We were so sorry about it, but we were so sorry about it.
00:25:00We were so sorry about it.
00:25:01We were so sorry about it.
00:25:03We were so sorry about it.
00:25:05We had a great opportunity to come to the end of the meeting.
00:25:07Tomorrow the program is going on.
00:25:09Yes.
00:25:10I got it wrong.
00:25:12I didn't want to tell you.
00:25:14Oh, thank you.
00:25:15We're going to tell you.
00:25:17Mirai, Mirai, Mirai.
00:25:19Yes, it's a triple disadvantage.
00:25:22Yes.
00:25:23But I didn't want to say one note by half time.
00:25:27Tonight I say we have to fight.
00:25:34Hello.
00:25:36Hello.
00:25:38Good morning.
00:25:42We have to start a train.
00:25:44I understand that it is a little odd.
00:25:46I understand that it is a little odd.
00:25:48Because it is a little odd.
00:25:50I don't know.
00:25:52We have to fight, I don't know the effects.
00:25:54We have to fight.
00:25:56We didn't know that.
00:25:58We have to fight.
00:26:00We have to fight.
00:26:01Do you want to go?
00:26:06Oh! Do you want to go?
00:26:10Oh!
00:26:13Yes, you're going to go in two minutes.
00:26:17Where is Zara Munu?
00:26:33Hey, Rambo.
00:26:35You're right there.
00:26:37You're right there.
00:26:39You're right there.
00:26:41Rambo, where are you?
00:26:43You're right there.
00:26:45Come on.
00:26:47Come on, please.
00:26:49Come on, please.
00:26:51Come on, guys.
00:26:53Come on, man.
00:26:55Come on, man.
00:26:57Come on.
00:26:59Come on, man.
00:27:01Come on, man.
00:27:03Come on, man.
00:27:05You should have to get him in the house.
00:27:07All right.
00:27:09No, you're right.
00:27:11That's to pull her down, that's to pull her down.
00:27:14And I'm going to put her down, I'm going to put her down.
00:27:18All right, order, order, order, order, order.
00:27:25Shiararai, shiararai, shiararai.
00:27:30Shuiyaegunov, huyaegunov.
00:27:37Don't run right.
00:27:40Shiararai, sassi.
00:27:42Sassi, java saiyu moeiro.
00:27:44Vai passi, vai passi.
00:27:46E tibolo, esengabbo e panamma, man.
00:27:49No a gaminapensengabbo, luk.
00:27:51Titetiloana.
00:28:10Like you said, he's a real fighter.
00:28:16You're a fighter.
00:28:25Hey.
00:28:26Hey.
00:28:27Hey.
00:28:28Hey.
00:28:29Hey.
00:28:30Hey.
00:28:31Hey.
00:28:32Hey.
00:28:33Hey.
00:28:34Hey.
00:28:35Hey.
00:28:36Hey.
00:28:37Hey.
00:28:38Hey.
00:28:39Hey.
00:28:40I'm coming back.
00:28:45All right.
00:28:46All right.
00:28:47Just go.
00:28:50Just go.
00:29:10Just go.
00:29:11Just go.
00:29:18Yesterday, we had meetings scheduled for Harare.
00:29:23Unfortunately, we received allegations that some political parties had passed people to the venues.
00:29:29People were not free to express themselves.
00:29:31As a result, most of the meetings were aborted because of the violence and the intimidation that was pervading the meetings.
00:29:39There was a lot of violence there. Five people were taken to hospital after receiving injuries.
00:29:48When we visited some of the meetings, Honorable Mangana and myself were also harassed.
00:29:54The constitution-making process has been suspended with immediate effect after violence disrupted the public meetings in the capital city, Harare.
00:30:03Several MDC supporters were injured.
00:30:06Prime Minister and leader of the MDC team, Morgan Changarai, said his party will not tolerate any violence in the constitution-making process.
00:30:15Changarai has threatened to pull out unless the public hearings can be conducted in a free and democratic manner.
00:30:21The MDC and ZANAPF, however, disagree on the way forward and a deadlock has been declared.
00:30:28There is no way forward and not the Holds in.
00:30:43They were thrown out of the way after protesting the precincts in the contract.
00:30:47The one-and-the- Recht of Alexander General, a W-A-R-R-O-N-N-N-N-M-L-N-I-R-N-L-N-I-R.
00:30:52Because I was put on a virus in the bus in here, it wasn't necessary.
00:30:57No, it was not necessary.
00:31:00It's not necessary to bus any people.
00:31:04Don't!
00:31:06Sarah, our ability to correct the situation,
00:31:11you need to put into play.
00:31:13Yeah, of course.
00:31:22So, we sit anyway.
00:31:24I will sit here.
00:31:26I will sit here.
00:31:46So, we sit here.
00:31:49I will sit here.
00:31:56The dogs are on leash.
00:32:01They need to be brought back home.
00:32:05Yeah.
00:32:07This is fire.
00:32:12Whoa!
00:32:14But shit, but see, I can't hit a damage control.
00:32:18That thing is damage control.
00:32:20That thing is now going out of head.
00:32:22It's as if ZANPF doesn't want the constitution anymore.
00:32:29That is the message in the country that ZANPF doesn't want the constitution anymore.
00:32:33That has never been our intention.
00:32:36So, we need to control it immediately and swiftly.
00:32:44Hello.
00:32:47You're in Angola.
00:32:48You're in the right.
00:32:51Yes, it's very dangerous.
00:32:52That's not.
00:32:53You're in the right.
00:32:54You're in the right.
00:32:55Do you know it?
00:32:56Yes?
00:32:58Yes.
00:33:00Yes.
00:33:01Let him sit here.
00:33:02He's dead.
00:33:03Oh, Jesus.
00:33:04Oh, Jesus.
00:33:07And, um...
00:33:08Thank you for telling me, one of the people who were assaulted at Mbari has died, at my
00:33:23time.
00:33:42I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
00:33:57I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
00:34:02Why are you going to take care of me?
00:34:09How much is it?
00:34:11I was going to take care of my wife.
00:34:16Okay.
00:34:19What are you doing?
00:34:21I'm doing it.
00:34:23Okay.
00:34:25Okay.
00:34:27I'm going to take care of you.
00:34:29So before we go back, we will get to work.
00:34:36We will get to work.
00:34:43We will get to work.
00:34:50I will get to work.
00:34:54I've seen a lot of talk before, because there is no reason why it's not going to be a part of my own.
00:34:59But I've known that there is no way to do it.
00:35:02It's not going to be a part of my own.
00:35:06You're going to be a bullshit. Don't give up on you.
00:35:09I've got to stop it.
00:35:14Alright.
00:35:16Mambo, baro, sorobu, roo!
00:35:20Mambo, baro, sorobu!
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00:39:50We cannot take a rally out of context.
00:39:52We have...
00:39:53We cannot take a rally out of the national context.
00:39:55A rally is happening in a Simbabwean context.
00:39:59Hey,
00:40:00Koso Kanawanzi,
00:40:01the official report is good.
00:40:03At first,
00:40:04power-pointed tenseness.
00:40:05But meeting has proceeded smoothly.
00:40:07That's all we need to know.
00:40:08Yeah.
00:40:09Except that it doesn't say the meeting proceeded well.
00:40:15So we need to do that.
00:40:16We need to know the rioters.
00:40:20Are you sure?
00:40:23Yes, we are rioters.
00:40:24Are you sure?
00:40:26Yeah, I know all the rioters.
00:40:28In the CJ Hall,
00:40:29business is like,
00:40:30but turns a noisy.
00:40:31It's fine.
00:40:32I'm going to meet him in the town,
00:40:33I'm going to meet him in the city.
00:40:34I'm going to keep the church service alone.
00:40:35That's the Zororo Center.
00:40:37Very well that.
00:40:38Redo.
00:40:39Redo.
00:40:40Waterfalls.
00:40:41Hmm.
00:40:42Redo.
00:40:44Redo.
00:40:45So, Mangwana is playing bravado.
00:40:51I mean, he's lost.
00:40:55He's lost.
00:40:57He's lost.
00:40:59He's lost.
00:41:01He's lost.
00:41:03He's lost.
00:41:05He's lost.
00:41:07He's lost.
00:41:09He's lost.
00:41:11He's lost.
00:41:15So...
00:41:17It's going to be a very good news item.
00:41:20Another to get it done.
00:41:22The death is set.
00:41:41He said it's going to be sin.
00:41:45He said you just go ahead and vier with us.
00:41:49If everyone sees you he says you're going after anything.
00:41:51Will you grow up with us?
00:41:53Jesus!
00:41:55He's a tiny boy!
00:41:57And
00:42:00your body!
00:42:02Him is full of jobs!
00:42:05Hey!
00:42:12What are you in the president?
00:42:13I'll tell you how I get an election.
00:42:16You have to get an election.
00:42:17I don't like it.
00:42:19I don't have a lot of this.
00:42:21I'll tell you how the president will join me.
00:42:24That's my president.
00:42:25Only way.
00:42:25Oh, my God!
00:42:35My God, my God, my God, my God, my God, my God, my God, my God, my God, my God, my God, my God, my God.
00:42:42President, I know finally got to go with pizza, because I'm not going to get to the 40th, which I'm going to pass 25.
00:42:55I'll be here for you.
00:43:01I'm going to get to this.
00:43:07I'm going to cancel this.
00:43:12And I'm going to cancel this.
00:43:17I'm going to go to that.
00:43:20The president of the United States has been fighting for five years, five years, five years.
00:43:25The United States has been fighting for a long time.
00:43:50Thank you very much.
00:44:20I don't know.
00:44:51Okay, can we move on?
00:44:54411, 3A, to be refreshed to read.
00:44:59Exercise control over or interfere with anyone licensed.
00:45:04We add the word licensed and engaged in broadcasting.
00:45:08You must be licensed and then engaged in broadcasting.
00:45:12I'm having a problem with that.
00:45:15I have a problem.
00:45:16Chairman, you are very wrong with the due respect.
00:45:27I want to answer for myself.
00:45:31I want to ask any other committee person to query, if I so wish, what the co-chair persons are presenting.
00:45:41Let's write a constitution that we will all be able to defend.
00:45:46What I am not going to accept, Honorable Manguan, is for you to dictate to me.
00:45:57You can't.
00:45:58I am a representative of my own organization.
00:46:01I am entitled to raise things if I feel that something is wrong.
00:46:11We have found each other and we have overcome some of the sticky issues, one of which was
00:46:24that political parties represented in COPAC are equal and their co-chair persons are equal
00:46:31and there is no one who is above the others.
00:46:34And every decision is done by consensus.
00:46:37Once we agree on that, then we are moving.
00:46:51Zimbabwean police have arrested MDC lawmaker Douglas Mwanzora as he was leaving parliament yesterday.
00:46:57A spokesman for the party says that the charges leveled against him are politically motivated
00:47:03and completely false.
00:47:05Mwanzora is currently being held in detention awaiting bail.
00:47:08It's a deliberate move, which raises his case at this point when we are supposed to be discussing
00:47:13the crucial part of the drafting process.
00:47:14And in case of the future, he is saying that the charges are strained by the force,
00:47:15he is willing to do that.
00:47:16What should I say?
00:47:17How should I say, how should I say, how should I say this?
00:47:18How should I say this?
00:47:19You are trying to distract you.
00:47:20How should I say this?
00:47:22How should I say this, how should I say this?
00:47:23How should I say this?
00:47:25How should I say this?
00:47:26How should I say it?
00:47:27deliberate move that they raise his case at this point when we are supposed to be discussing in
00:47:34the crucial part of the drafting process and they tend to be taking away his focus and as you
00:47:43probably have noticed manguana is in full gear he feels he's in charge and so on good
00:47:49two eight agreed two nine agreed thank you very much for being so cooperative
00:48:02ladies and gentlemen let us continue tomorrow in this spirit we will have a constitution within
00:48:08the next 10 days
00:48:19okay i'm going down to a very awkward situation because it's part of the constitution i'm sure
00:48:38you're used to it i mean in the last month i think 100 people mdc and others have been detained
00:48:44because here you arrest people then you do investigations this is extremely dangerous
00:48:51for this inclusive government and for your constitutional process which must come to a
00:48:56logical conclusion listen the fact that we have an inclusive government is no license for people to
00:49:01commit crimes and then when they are arrested then they they say we've been victimized they arrest
00:49:06people in this country um they arrest people then they do investigations the elementary you arrest
00:49:12somebody because there's suspicion you don't have to put them in jail the person that's a a bail out
00:49:17system in south africa is there you do not get you do not stay overnight in south africa in in a
00:49:24filthy prison with no running water these are disgusting lice ridden hellhole remove your sanctions
00:49:32they'll start improving the oh gosh about the sanctions remove the sanctions but it's all to say the
00:49:37sanctions are doing this we can argue for the whole day if they have a law which allows the judicial
00:49:43system you've got an incompetent police force who can't do their investigations and so they arrest
00:49:48people i've been myself in prison i know it first hand you can only fight the system if you if you have
00:50:01the same weapons they are using against you the system is armed the system is a presence
00:50:10and what do you have your bare hands your legal knowledge all those become useless weapons
00:50:17i'm in the system and i know how lethal it is and you can't fight it you're kidding yourself
00:50:47the constitution making process is a people driven inclusive process and the stakeholders will be
00:51:13given an opportunity to discuss the draft and adopt it before it is presented to parliament for debate
00:51:19when the draft is in place it will be presented to a second or stakeholder conference for further
00:51:24discussion and so as we promised we um the coaching persons are are happy to entertain questions from
00:51:37yourself since that i want to protect my brother from being questioned about his experience at college
00:51:46we will not answer that those questions
00:51:54any any uh further questions
00:51:57this is the real press conference right yeah this is the real one yeah
00:52:06well my arrest was not a fair arrest at all um the arrest was not justified the manner of arrest again
00:52:16was not justified three days in the police station i was not allowed water or food uh that showed that
00:52:23the people who were arrested me and were not really interested in the alleged crime but in creating
00:52:30certain conditions um it was obviously meant to affect the ability of the mdc uh in this process
00:52:38i am in opposition because i want to remove mr mugabe and mr mugabe and mr mugabe and the zanu pf know that
00:52:44and we don't have to say nice things if we are to remove him from power
00:52:49i don't think mungana is a representative of the decisions that his party makes so to that extent
00:53:00i have nothing against him he did not cause my arrest every time you see mungana pushing things he is
00:53:09being pushed uh by his party and he loses all reasoning so he is a messenger who must not be short with the
00:53:24message
00:53:38it should be the nominating constituent through the appointing authority by this we mean say council of
00:53:47chief's chiefs because it approves its members they are appointed by the president so it will be the
00:53:53council of chiefs meeting pass a vote of no coincidence pass it to the truth the president
00:53:59the next legislation to provide for the grounds on which a member may be recalled and the procedure to
00:54:04this one they are prosecuting one it should be noted that political parties already have their rights
00:54:09those are from our churches but all others
00:54:17robert mugabe is understood to be unhappy in the inclusive government and wants the new constitution
00:54:24done as soon as possible paul mungana is now under pressure to complete the constitution
00:54:30or else the process will be taken over by a management committee
00:54:34i think we need an introspection are we really serious about coming up with the constitution
00:54:45within any given time last week but one we only wait for two days
00:54:51and what is this saying to the country which is expecting a constitution i think let's be fair with each
00:54:56other i don't want to delegate and my party doesn't accept that i delegate so those who arrest me right
00:55:11now and bring me before courts are slowing the process themselves and they know it this is our predicament
00:55:18is the mdct team a that is me being prosecuted for offenses that were allegedly committed in 2003
00:55:28and the timing is now when we are this crucial stage but this is the reality on the ground this is the
00:55:34state we are living in if i was to tell you what happens in the course when we get there you just are
00:55:41made to sit there and then no prosecutor takes your case no magistrate takes your case and then you are
00:55:47told to go home after five six hours
00:55:56it's we are not making this up we are being harassed it's not justice at all
00:56:09i'm representing a party which has been in power for 33 years
00:56:13it's using the same constitution and obviously anything which keeps you in power is not bad
00:56:20so by leading the process of changing what has already been working convincing your leadership
00:56:29that although it has been working it is not the best thing for the country it needs to change that's
00:56:35that's not an easy task
00:56:44we need to
00:56:47to be more aggressive in the inclusive government
00:56:51i think we are treating zano pf with the kid gloves
00:56:55too much
00:56:56so we need to show some teeth
00:57:12but who told the person who is qualified for the president if she has already held office
00:57:22as president for one or more
00:57:26my president reading this he's being disqualified in a draft
00:57:29why did they put this yes you can put that can you not see the political no we still let's put that
00:57:35question
00:57:36but the politics
00:57:36and i'm just fed up
00:57:42i'm going to take a political position
00:57:44no no no no no please why my young brother listen to me they've taken a political position
00:57:49somebody still wants this job and they realize that
00:58:03so sensitive so provocative
00:58:10and why if your sensitivities why do you like that
00:58:12it's not that you're saying that it's stupid
00:58:15you're saying that it's stupid
00:58:17it's disqualifying the income
00:58:24i i want uh
00:58:26that comment i just find
00:58:32the clause is a good clause
00:58:35it has to be there so those who have been president before
00:58:40must not be allowed to contest anymore
00:58:48you put in a clause which is actually
00:58:52removing the candidacy of the most powerful person
00:58:56in the political scene that's the existing president
00:59:01on the on the belief that it will not be seen
00:59:04so you you you're actually
00:59:09undermining
00:59:10disrespecting the team set up
00:59:13that they they will be so naive as to not to see what you've done
00:59:25a highly confidential draft of zimbabwe's new constitution has been leaked to the price
00:59:30and was printed in today's edition of the herald newspaper
00:59:34the leaked document contains a controversial clause which bars robert mcgabe from re-election
00:59:40the clause which says that any person who's already held the presidential office for 10 years
00:59:46is then disqualified from contesting in the next polls has caused chaos at zonapf's
00:59:51politburo a spokesperson for the party said the clause is an insult to the president
00:59:56and the entire zonapf party party colleagues and war vets have labeled manguana a sellout
01:00:02for allowing a clause in the new constitution that would end mcgabe's presidency
01:00:10right now i don't think my manguana is a very safe person in zonapf
01:00:16because some of the uh zonapf people
01:00:19uh think think he's sold out think that is against the president to be called a sellout in zimbabwe
01:00:29is to be condemned to death the militia can do anything uh uh anything they want with you
01:00:39the army the intelligence and the police your treatment or ill treatment by these organs becomes
01:00:51justified because of your labor
01:00:53they could be killed
01:01:11you know it's not a political business without their return
01:01:48Obviously, they're insinuating that I'm part of a team which is trying to oust the president from power. If you read the headline and the story, the headline reads, Mugabe ouster plot thickens, manguana set for grilling. So, in other words, I'm part of the team who's trying to oust him through the use of the constitutional draft.
01:02:13It came from the drafters. The clause which says that Mugabe, a person is disquieting of election as president, if he has already held office for one or more periods, whether or not among him 10 years, did not come from outreach, did not come from the select committee.
01:02:34It was an invention of the drafters.
01:02:39Mugabe is suing daily news for one million.
01:02:41You know, you see, this is the problem of dealing with the press from a position of authority. And then you lose that authority. The man was minister of information. Could summon any editor.
01:02:56Now he's on the receiving end of actual journalism. Doesn't know how to react.
01:03:03Because they are insinuating that I'm not loyal to my own leadership, which is quite a serious indictment on my on my political character.
01:03:16No, it actually was put in there by drafters. It's a proposal by the drafters, which obviously we are going to review and most likely going to remove.
01:03:24I think a clause like this.
01:03:50Let's let's let's let's let's debate it very detachedly. It is necessary.
01:04:00A person is disqualified for election as president if he or she has already held office as president for one or more periods, whether continuous or not, for a period of mandatory 10 years.
01:04:10I do have a problem straight away.
01:04:12Yes, I think that we need to first of all satisfy ourselves that what we are reading came from our instructions.
01:04:20If he did not come from our instructions, it should be deleted, should be removed, can only be part of our draft after we've all agreed that it should be there.
01:04:31Because in the first place, it was not supposed to be there.
01:04:35Okay, and therefore it must what?
01:04:37It must be removed.
01:04:39We are not in agreement.
01:04:41Then if we are failing, if we are failing to agree on simple terms, it's just we are not prepared to proceed because we have a fundamental problem.
01:04:54We are not agreeing even on the manner you're doing this whole thing.
01:04:58I didn't know that this was this was going to arise.
01:05:01If anything they put here did not come from us, the first thing we do is to remove it.
01:05:06We did not give them that chapter.
01:05:09They gave us this chapter.
01:05:12The content of this chapter, it may be that it is given the wording that it is not supposed to have.
01:05:20But in fact, that content is content that it has been discussed and to my knowledge agreed.
01:05:27No, no, you are wrong.
01:05:29No, you are wrong.
01:05:30Because if you have the interpretation of this, it is wrong.
01:05:35If you have a father, you waste your time.
01:05:37Why are you so angry for...
01:05:39Yes, because you are insulting my intelligence.
01:05:42But how go?
01:05:43You are insulting my intelligence by deliberately misinterpreting...
01:05:46Are you not insulting his intelligence?
01:05:48Are you not insulting his intelligence?
01:05:49I'm asking with a PhD.
01:05:51The debate is out of order.
01:05:54Now with that disagreement, I think it's future for us to proceed.
01:06:00I don't seem to appreciate whether we are making much movement here.
01:06:09Sonopf lawmaker Paul Manguana has been accused of staging a political coup against Robert Mugabe.
01:06:26Manguana denies the allegations and says that the controversial clause was illegally inserted by the drafters of the new charter.
01:06:34He's now threatening to fire the drafters for misconduct.
01:06:38Political analysts, however, have warned that firing the drafters could be the final straw that would collapse the entire constitution-making process,
01:06:47which is now more than two years behind schedule and has been marred by controversy from the beginning.
01:06:53So far, it's a small matter of daily news now.
01:07:02It has become personal attacking me, alleging that it was a technical coup.
01:07:09This guy is under pressure.
01:07:28Freedom is coming tomorrow.
01:07:31Let me just say that the spirit under which we want to work is that people here must be free, must feel free to contribute.
01:07:46I may share the same sentiments with you.
01:07:48I may not share the same sentiments with you.
01:07:50So, okay, fine, there is debate there.
01:07:54There is disagreement on whether this content is within the instruction or not.
01:08:00I think, I think, to be fair to the drafters, to be fair to the drafters, their interpretation of the mandate was not outrageous.
01:08:14If we want to continue on this route, we need to stop here, we stop here, I seek further political instructions on the way forward.
01:08:23Okay.
01:08:24On whether or not with this level of disobedience, we can continue to have the same drafters even to reconsider this way.
01:08:33You see, we are mixing two things now.
01:08:36I have a whole lot of analysis I have done and I say to myself and I go back to my partner and say, this is what I instructed the drafters to do.
01:08:47This is what they have done.
01:08:48And the analysis is showing a certain percentage of the doctors have followed my instructions.
01:08:53Are they capable of following instructions?
01:08:56Can I repose trust and confidence in them?
01:08:59Whether we are going to stop or whatever, it's up to you.
01:09:03But the issue is, I am not going to stop giving my opinion because it will offend you.
01:09:12I am a Zimbabwean entitled to give my opinion.
01:09:15I am a lawyer by profession.
01:09:17I am a lawyer by training.
01:09:20You need to appreciate that.
01:09:22But we are saying, it is justified.
01:09:25We don't want to argue whether it's justified or it's not justified.
01:09:28It is not a misconduct.
01:09:30Chairman, I don't know what's going on.
01:09:32I don't want to say, but you have a lot of it.
01:09:33You have a lot of it.
01:09:36If you do not justify why the drafters did what they did.
01:09:40And not to fire them.
01:09:42No, I said I'm not firing them.
01:09:45But I was not justifying.
01:09:48You are not justifying.
01:09:50You are not pushing me to also take the argument of firing.
01:09:54I am just pushing justification and I will not fire.
01:09:57if you justify our fight right there is a there is a there is something which
01:10:07others to substance I think it's important because you see it's not going to happen
01:10:37so
01:10:44so
01:10:49so
01:10:52so
01:10:55so
01:11:00Honourable members, I think the best is to lay my cards on the table so that you do not appreciate
01:11:19when people take certain stances. Honourable Mangwana is really uncomfortable with the talk in order to prosecute the drafters.
01:11:35And sometimes, yes, there are some areas where they went overboard. They are there.
01:11:45But we want the constitution to succeed and in this process. We cannot defend something which collapses the process.
01:11:53That makes sense to us. So let's go to anybody, nobody loses anything.
01:11:58In the chapter six, they have come back. And this is going to be a chapter six.
01:12:04I took instructions on chapter six. That clause has to be interrogated. We can substitute it. We can even remove it. I am in agreement.
01:12:14No problem. Audit, something. Let's go. And in auditing, you'll be saying, is it in this document?
01:12:21Yes.
01:12:23Yes.
01:12:24My name is Rwona, you are looking relieved.
01:12:30Yes, sir. You did the costume.
01:12:32No?
01:12:33The afterglows.
01:12:34Yeah, yeah. Election of president. Election of president.
01:12:48Robert Mugabe has survived the alleged plot to oust him as the controversial clause that would have barred him from serving more terms as president has been revised.
01:13:01Presidential terms limits will only apply to future presidents who will be able to serve a maximum of two five-year terms.
01:13:09All right?
01:13:16All right.
01:13:18About someone. As important as I am running such an important project.
01:13:26How do you publish a documentary statement about someone, as important as I am, running such an important project, you're calling me a liar, you're calling me someone who's misrepresenting things to the president, I'm lying to the Politburo, I should be replaced, I'm incompetent, and any sane journalist would know.
01:13:49But as a journalist, we wrote that.
01:14:19In a bigger way than even the person who has written it.
01:14:23Because the person who has written it to you, now you have made the whole country, no?
01:14:27And now to discuss the constitution-making process and media reportage on the issue, we're joined by a COPAC coachee person, Comrade Munyaradzi Po Mangwana.
01:14:38We welcome you to News Hour. Good evening.
01:14:41Good evening.
01:14:41And claims that you should be disbanded? COPAC should be disbanded?
01:14:46That is a little aggressive. We've done a lot of work to come to where we are. We are almost finishing the task.
01:14:52We think that if the media can leave us alone, we should be able to come up with a draft constitution by the end of this month.
01:14:59But we need peace in order for us to concentrate.
01:15:02We need more positive reportage in order for us to concentrate on our work.
01:15:06We think that we are going to surprise Zimbabweans by coming up with a constitution they would love.
01:15:10I must be able to say, look, well, it's my party believes in this, but what is good for the country is that.
01:15:22And I've got the role to persuade my party. It's not everything which is there which my party wants.
01:15:31And it must be an instrument of change, even the changing the mindset of your own leadership.
01:15:37Then that is leadership.
01:16:08The power to rule must derive, not derive, must be derived, okay, from the authority of the people.
01:16:16Just this debate, I'm telling you, the Zimbabwean position, as I understand it, is here.
01:16:21Let's send separate papers.
01:16:22Uh-uh.
01:16:23Why should you tell us that?
01:16:25Uh-uh. We can conduct our disagreements in a more civilized way, I think.
01:16:31What I've realized is that people don't admire raffians for leaders.
01:16:43Yeah, they don't admire bully people.
01:16:55The constitution of Zimbabwe, can't they come back to that constitution? It's not the constitution of Zimbabwe.
01:17:03Yeah, that's a good idea.
01:17:05I don't know.
01:17:07I don't know.
01:17:09I don't know.
01:17:09I don't know.
01:17:10I don't know.
01:17:10Something like that.
01:17:11You can say back to that constitution.
01:17:13You can say back to that constitution.
01:17:14You can say back to that constitution.
01:17:15Yeah, that's it.
01:17:17Yeah, that's it.
01:17:18Mm-hmm.
01:17:19This is very good, isn't it?
01:17:24It's super.
01:17:38It's original.
01:17:44It's no matter for life.
01:17:47You have started signing?
01:17:57We have started signing, but we are not signing.
01:18:02No, I know. We will sign tomorrow.
01:18:06The draft constitution was left.
01:18:08Yeah, the constitution was left.
01:18:17Congratulations.
01:18:27You can't get out of here.
01:18:32You can't get out of here.
01:18:35I'm going to get out of here.
01:18:38I'm going to get out of here.
01:18:43How are you doing?
01:18:45You are not going to get out of here.
01:18:47It's fine, you are not going to get out of here.
01:18:48I can't get out of here.
01:18:49I must pretend that we were here at home.
01:18:53Sorry.
01:18:57You're welcome.
01:18:59Good afternoon.
01:19:01Whether we did it well, or we didn't do it well,
01:19:07We have a constitution, guys.
01:19:27It was of the unique nature of our arrangement.
01:19:37Welcome to the Republic of VIII.
01:19:54Our agreement...
01:19:59Number one.
01:20:00Honourable, Monsanto...
01:20:02Mr. Speaker said, I can say with authority that under this constitution we have the most
01:20:10comprehensive Bill of Rights on the African continent, if not in the whole world. We have
01:20:16rights to set personal liberty, rights of arrested and detained persons.
01:20:21I must say that this constitution making process is to go down in history as one of the processes
01:20:33which brought about national healing in our country. We started with Quarles. By the time
01:20:42we completed this process, you could not distinguish an MDC member from a ZANPF member, a ZANPF
01:20:49member from an MDC team member. That is the kind of national healing this process achieved.
01:21:49I have the result of the poll for the referendum and it is as follows. 3,079,966 votes were
01:22:12received in favor of the adoption of the draft constitution. 179,489 votes were received
01:22:23against the adoption. The draft constitution is declared to have been adopted by the people
01:22:31of Zimbabwe as the constitution of Zimbabwe as the constitution of Zimbabwe. I thank you.
01:22:42Nice.
01:22:46Right, John.
01:22:49There we are.
01:22:51Here we are.
01:22:52Wow, wonderful.
01:22:57is going to read these signatures and he shall read this signature the good thing is that this
01:23:25constitution is no longer changeable by the principles including Mugabe
01:23:55so
01:24:00so
01:24:08I want to thank
01:24:29COPAC the select committee for now having come to brought us to this stage we waited and waited
01:24:47and we thought there was to be no end sometimes parliament thinks that it is so so sovereign
01:25:05that it should control the acts the my principles ah quit
01:25:14sometimes people fail to know where power has derived
01:25:44from
01:26:14There is no end to clear, clear, clear violation of principles of natural justice on the part
01:26:37of Xano-PF. It's an evil party, an evil system, presided over by evil men.
01:26:49If you don't change, you'll be changed. If you do not change yourself, your tactics, your strategies, your way of doing things, then change will change you.
01:27:02So you must move with change. Life is dynamic. And this is what I was telling my colleagues. It's dynamic.
01:27:11Politics is about doing what is popular. And what is popular changes.
01:27:17So you and the project had to be destroyed? Me and the project had to be destroyed.
01:27:32So they wanted it to be an accident? Yeah. Basically they wanted an accident.
01:27:40Then they sent Wade to the teams which attend us. And the teams then said let's destroy him and the project.
01:27:47So when I visited the general and put my cards on the table, and then he grouped all the people who were involved in the whole thing.
01:27:55It was a powerful team. Those who know, who are in the know, even in my part right now, they are saying, we do not know how you survived.
01:28:07What our advice is that do not demobilize. We shouldn't demobilize. We shouldn't demobilize.
01:28:16The war is still going on. Now you are no longer having as much attention.
01:28:25The war is still going on. And the accident looks real. It looks real.
01:28:30Yeah. So you need to just be careful.
01:28:38Yes, Mama.
01:28:40I'm sorry.
01:28:42I'm sorry.
01:28:43I'm sorry.
01:28:44I'm sorry.
01:28:45I'm sorry.
01:28:46I'm sorry.
01:28:47I'm sorry.
01:28:48I'm sorry.
01:28:49I'm sorry.
01:28:50I'm sorry.
01:28:51I'm sorry.
01:28:52I'm sorry.
01:29:16I can't believe it's true.
01:29:17I can't believe it.
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