Robert McGinnis on his powerful books, life stories, and the drive for change

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The one and only Robert McGinnis, author of two thought-provoking books: Dropped Calls and The Attenuating Puritan. Get ready for an honest, heartfelt discussion that touches on everything from family tragedies to how technology is warping our world  00:00 Introduction 01:25 Robert's Story 09:08 Dropped Calls Book 25:06 Attenuating Puritan Book 36:40 Lessons and Impact 41:12 Conclusion https://podopshost.com/yayadiamond  https://podopshost.com/yayadiamond   ⚡ VidChapter AI generated these chapters, try it out https://vidchapter.com/?affiliate=yayadiamond Recommended podcast platform get 10% off: https://podopshost.com/register/?ref=yaya   Tools and Services I use: Appsumo has the best lifetime deals ever!!! I love this site.  appsumo.8odi.net/yayadiamond The easiest way to make your graphics: https://buff.ly/2RTQLn0 Best website for musicians. Try it for free on me: https://buff.ly/2GMYugG Make money with Fiverr.com: https://buff.ly/2KjTVvV   Our Amazon store: https://buff.ly/34RYNlm DISCLAIMER: Links included in this description might be affiliate links. If you purchase a product or service with the links that I provide I may receive a small commission. My affiliate links usually provide either a free trial or discount so go try them out on me! Thank you for supporting DreamChasersRadio.com  so I can continue to provide you with free content each week! Privacy Policy: https://buff.ly/2XSrflS ™Yaya Diamond Red Hot Reality Ent. LLC

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01:33Yes!

01:34And I have a guest today

01:37Mr. Robert McGinnis is here

01:39And he's going to be talking about two books that he's done

01:41That's right, not one

01:42Two books that he has done

01:44Thank you so much for joining us today

01:46My pleasure

01:48My pleasure

01:49Thank you

01:50Oh, thank you

01:51So, okay

01:52So you have two books

01:53The first one's called Dropped Calls

01:55And then the second one is called

01:57I have it right here

01:58It is called

01:59The

02:00The

02:01I don't know what to say

02:02The first one I said before

02:03So I want to make sure I say this right

02:05The Attenuating Protagonist

02:07No, The Attenuating Puritan

02:10See

02:11I did the protagonist again

02:13That was part of my question though, by the way

02:15Okay

02:16The Attenuating Puritan

02:18Which has a protagonist in it

02:20Which is

02:21Yeah, that's what I'm thinking

02:23But that's why I like it so much

02:25I feel like we've done this before

02:28Thank you again so much for coming on the show

02:34Now, let me ask you a question

02:36Before everything began

02:37Before you became an author

02:38What was your life like before?

02:40And then right when you were on the cusp of saying

02:43I have to do this

02:45Well, to tell you the truth is

02:47I had grown up in New York

02:50I moved to Northern California in the mid 70s

02:54And I was living on the land as a back to the lander

02:58After several years

03:01My family had a tragedy where my partner was killed

03:06And my infant son was severely brain injured

03:09And I had to move into town

03:11And I took care of my son

03:14He was 20 months old

03:15At the time of his accident

03:16I was with a log truck

03:18And he had major head trauma

03:22And neuromuscular and neuroskeletal issues

03:27That we dealt with for decades afterwards

03:31The writing came as me trying to have a separate part of my life

03:38As opposed to just being full-time caregiver

03:43So it allowed me a little bit of my own life

03:46And my own path forward

03:49So, you know, and I also felt as most of my life

03:55To be quiet and to accept things the way they were delivered

03:59And as I got older I realized that maybe the reason that you need to be a lifetime of wisdom

04:08Before you became a writer in Ireland

04:10Was so that you would have the wisdom to share

04:14And as I lived a lifetime already

04:17And I saw that people needed to be taught and directed

04:22Something that I didn't want to do in my younger days

04:25But these days it seemed like it was urgent and necessity

04:30So I stepped up to the plate

04:32And I put some messages out there

04:34That some of it are a little bit encrypted

04:37With the hope that people would not just read them once

04:40But read them over and over again

04:42And try to pull little pieces out of them

04:45And see if they couldn't change their own lives

04:49In the hopes that a little bit of social change might extend our time here on this planet

04:57And I don't mean personally, I mean as a species

05:00Right, yeah, I got you

05:02Wow, wow, that is wow

05:05And I can understand that

05:07I mean you have to kind of grasp on the reality of what's going on with you

05:11And kind of try and keep a little bit of you in the mix

05:15It's hard when you have a baby

05:17When you have tragedies going on around you

05:19You know, you can get caught up and lose who you are

05:23Lose your identity

05:25It happens to a lot of women

05:27Well, you know, to me it didn't really matter

05:30Because, you know, when people were saying that you can be able to do this job

05:37And I really felt like, especially living in the woods

05:40Is that if you had farm animals, whatever you got is what you had

05:45You know, I just felt like another day of delivery

05:50And this was what was on my plate

05:52So there was never any question about what to do

05:55And I didn't feel like I lost my identity

05:58I felt like my identity was that of a caregiver

06:01You know, so as I think as if you

06:05You know, and in schools we do that all the time

06:08Where we party every day, every week

06:12It's somebody's birthday or a holiday is coming up

06:14Or the weekend is coming

06:16And we made this party culture

06:18And the therapists always ask, how does that make you feel?

06:23And I think that we get so egocentrical

06:26That we don't know to let go

06:29And that it's okay not to think about yourself for a minute

06:32Or a week or a month or a year

06:35You know, is just know that you are a part of everything at large

06:39And it doesn't need to be selfishly hoarded into my personal space

06:46You know, and they even divide the families up

06:49And to making sure that the kids space is separate from the adults and stuff

06:53And, you know, I don't think there's any other place in biology where it's like that

07:00You know, so I think that the ego is very problematic lots of times

07:05Well, you know, that's a different answer than what a woman would give

07:08Especially a mom

07:09Like when a mom, and that's very good

07:11And that's very good

07:12I love that

07:13Because I get to understand more about different perspectives

07:17You know what I mean?

07:18A woman loses herself by the time her kids turn 18

07:22And they start going on their own

07:2318 years of her life

07:25She's never thought about herself

07:27So that selfish part of her

07:30It doesn't exist during the time that she's raising her child

07:33And if her child is down syndrome or something like that

07:35Then she never really gets herself back

07:37Last week my son turned 40

07:40So let me just give you an example of

07:44It doesn't just end at 18

07:46He's still here in the house

07:49And I still do the cooking and the cleaning

07:51And, you know

07:52He's blessed

07:53I'm still the caregiver

07:56He's blessed

07:57He's blessed

07:58Cause I mean

07:59Yeah, there's a lot of

08:00There's a lot of people out there that like

08:01Okay, you turn 18, get out

08:03Yeah

08:05And to me that's horrible

08:07It is horrible

08:08It is horrible

08:09I just think that like

08:10Around the age of 18, 19 years old

08:12They begin to kind of do their own little things

08:14And I've had two children that

08:16Around that time

08:17They started doing their own thing

08:18So

08:19And it's fine to do their own thing

08:20But we have to remember that the executive functions

08:23Haven't been formed yet

08:24Yeah

08:25They have another at least seven years to go

08:27And handing over the adult questions at that age

08:32Is it not necessarily a smart thing to do

08:35Well, then that means that my daughter should move back into the house

08:39Maybe not move in the house

08:42But she should still be answering to someone

08:47That's funny

08:48Oh my gosh

08:49That is so funny

08:50So you have your book

08:51What would she do if you

08:53What would she do if you moved into her house?

08:55Oh

08:56I don't know

08:57I don't think she would want me to move into her house

09:00Of course not

09:03No, I don't think that's gonna work

09:06But you have two books

09:07So we're gonna be talking about that today

09:09One is called Drop Calls

09:10Tell me about this book

09:12Well, Drop Calls is a small collection of short stories

09:18And each one was designed to point to a time that the Lord asked us to do something

09:30And we lost the communication

09:33And, you know, so in that, like I said, it should be read over and over again

09:38And we should see the parts that we weren't clear on

09:41And why that I thought we were dropping the call at different times, you know

09:47So the first story is Five Gs Over Walden Pond

09:52And it's basically about cell phones

09:55And a guy lives in a homeless camp by Walden Pond

10:00Because he wants to do what Thoreau did

10:03And live a life more simply

10:06And he doesn't take a cell phone with him

10:08But he'd been addicted to it

10:10So he was feeling the pains of not having a cell phone

10:13But he realized when he was out in the woods

10:15Is that there's not a day that goes by that he's not continually interrupted

10:21By traffic noise, other people's cell phones, satellites at night when he's sleeping

10:28And that the phones have taken over

10:30And that quiet that Thoreau got to experience no longer existed

10:36And it doesn't exist in our behaviors either

10:39In that quietness that gave the great depth of thought that Thoreau had

10:45Because we are reactive and we are constantly reacting to something

10:50And not being able to hear our inner selves for long periods of time

10:56That's another part that's missing in our culture now

10:59Is the long periods of aloneness and quietness

11:03So I wanted to point that out

11:06I have it as a fiction story

11:08Things, you know, go off the rails there

11:12And all of a sudden we find that the biologic function of water isn't working as it should

11:20And it's causing different species to have mass extinctions

11:25And problems throughout the biologic world

11:29So, you know, again, it's a fiction story

11:34But I really wanted to point out that

11:37And the other thing that I always point to with the cell phones is the loss of phylogenetic memories

11:44And it's easy to say that phones cause short-term memories and stuff

11:48But when we're talking about 5G networks and EMFs and those sorts of things

11:54We know they can alter the DNA

11:56And altered DNA has the potential to be erasing a phylogenetic memory that is encoded in it

12:05And then as it changes is that memory no longer exists

12:09So we have the ability to lose our common sense

12:12Our innate fears of things

12:14Spiders and snakes and things that for

12:17You know, that took a million years to evolve

12:20To develop those innate fears

12:23And because of convenience and selfishness

12:26We're willing to sacrifice what we were gifted in a million years of evolution

12:33So I wanted to point those things out

12:36I don't know if the readers will get those points

12:39Without revisiting them over and over again

12:42You know, and really thinking about what that means

12:45Right, right

12:46I think common sense was gone a long time ago

12:49I'm sorry

12:50Yes

12:52And it was a curse and not a gift

12:54Oh my gosh, yes

12:56Wow, wow

12:57So the collection of stories

12:58What do you want people to get from that?

13:00Like what direction do you want people to go in?

13:03Because I think that there's a lot there

13:05That can

13:06The first story is for the Luddites

13:10You know, is

13:11Let's appreciate the people that are thinking

13:14Maybe all this technology isn't a good thing

13:16The second story is more based on our

13:21To me, it's more based on losing our democracy

13:24And it's a story that I wrote that mimics the presidency at this point, you know

13:34And it's the dream catchers of Lago Amar

13:37And I had read some books

13:39The Frontiersman of New York, which came out I think in 1882

13:44And The Life of Grant, which came out in 1838

13:48And I was really fascinated by those

13:51And one of the things in the story

13:56And you know, these are history books

13:59And The Life of Grant came out

14:01In a time where people that were in the Revolutionary War

14:06Were still alive and could be interviewed

14:08And could hand stories down from them

14:11At one point, a parcel of scalps were recovered by the American Revolutionaries

14:20And they were the ones that were being scalped

14:22And these scalps were heading to Canada

14:25And they were getting paid for them

14:28And it was about $8 a piece

14:30Unless it was a military person or an officer

14:32Where they could get up to $20

14:34In one parcel, they recovered 1,599 scalps

14:39And 29 of them were infants

14:42And Grant said is that, you know

14:45I'm a great warrior

14:46But I would never fight women

14:48And I would never fight children

14:50And that's when they were realizing

14:52That it was English soldiers

14:54That would dress up as Indians

14:56And take the scalps

14:57And then take them up to Canada

14:59And get $8 a piece for them

15:01You know, so in my story

15:04Because I have a young kid

15:07I want to call him

15:08Because his executive functions haven't formed yet

15:12And he goes to another state

15:14And he's armed with an automatic weapon

15:16And he's walking the streets

15:18And the police are giving him water bottles

15:22And condoning his efforts for keeping down the revolutionaries

15:27And I quote Mao as that every war

15:30Every revolution is a just war

15:33Every counter-revolution is an unjust war

15:36And for the police to be condoning his attempts to keep down the revolution

15:42Makes it they're working for the counter-revolution

15:46Which is an unjust war

15:48So at any rate

15:50The czar is so impressed with his work

15:52That he invites him down to his resort

15:55And even though he's only 17

15:57He's going down to rub elbows with the best of the best

16:01You know, so he wants to get a gift to them

16:04That would have historic value

16:07So he scalps the two people that he killed

16:10On the streets that night

16:12And takes the scalps with them

16:14He fastens them into willow hoops

16:17And makes dream catchers out of them

16:19And he, like the Indians did

16:21Paint a black circle around the circumference

16:23Because they died at night

16:25And a couple of dots because they died by gunfire

16:28And then some lines to represent

16:30That they were defending the streets when they were killed

16:33So he takes those down and presents them to the czar

16:37And the czar is so impressed

16:39That he hangs one in the east window

16:42With the hair facing in

16:44And one in the west window

16:46With the hair facing out

16:47And it's interesting to me

16:51Is because I was saying like King George

16:53Who was in monetizing the taking of scalps

16:57Was an egotist

16:59And all the universal signalings went to him

17:02So he was afferent

17:04And he was of material

17:09So he was, you know, material

17:12And he was transitory

17:13Because the universe doesn't exist like that

17:17So the moment the hair facing in

17:19It starts oscillating

17:21And it starts sending the truth of the universe

17:24To him like a laser beam

17:26And it's so much information so fast

17:28That it causes him to have seizures

17:30And he falls away from his desk

17:32And he's not sure what struck him

17:35But when he goes back in his office

17:37He can no longer look at that scalp

17:39And he directs his eyes to the west of the room

17:43Where the other scalp hangs

17:45And that's facing the other way

17:48And it's one man's life at talking speed

17:51And he grows a relationship with this person that had passed

17:57And he was feeling like it was a more honest and open relationship

18:01Than he'd ever had with any living friend of his

18:05And all of a sudden he's growing empathy for the revolutionaries

18:09Which was, you know, something that was unheard of

18:12But it hits a nerve because it's so human and so real

18:16So when he goes from being the egotist like King George

18:21To the altruist

18:23And he goes from the afferent to the efferent

18:27And he goes from material to ethereal

18:31And he goes from transitory to eternal

18:35Because that's how the universe extends itself

18:39You know, so that was like to me the major turning point of the story

18:45And it's something that we all need to think about

18:49Because there's not really room for the egotist in this world

18:55And there's no way to pass the love on to each other

19:00In the world of the egotist

19:03So be aware of that when you see it around

19:06And think that's what we're trying not to do

19:09And then the catch of it all

19:13Is I ask if you see the cover of that book

19:15There's a dream catcher hanging in that window

19:19In that building there

19:20And I ask whose scalp is that?

19:24Oh

19:25You know, and nobody's been able to get it right

19:29But there's only two possible people that it could be

19:34And one is Joseph Rosenbaum

19:37And one is Anthony Huber

19:39The two people that were killed in the Black Lives Matter protest

19:43In Kenosha, Wisconsin

19:47So it was in the New York Times a couple of weeks ago

19:51Just in the book review section

19:53Inside the front cover

19:54There's a little picture of the book

19:55And I'm thinking

19:56Well, I actually got my scalp in the New York Times

20:01And I thought that was pretty good

20:03But still, I don't think anybody really realizes what is there

20:08And why it's there

20:10Wow

20:11So, anyway, that's the second story in the book

20:17And, you know, it goes on

20:19There's a couple other things going on

20:20It's a very short story, you know

20:22And then the third story was really about the DNA that we have

20:30But if you just ask yourself is that

20:35If we say that life is sacred and precious

20:38Yeah

20:39And every living thing is sacred and precious

20:41When did we start having spirituality?

20:46And did spirituality exist in the primordial soup

20:51With the first single cell existence, you know

20:57Or was it something that was cultivated over millions of years

21:01And only exists in the larger life forms, you know

21:07And to me is a single cell that has life should be in a position to give thanks

21:16Wow

21:17And that's the question there

21:22So I had, you know, mayhem in the streets

21:25And civilizations falling apart

21:27And people are sick and everything

21:29And it was because an apple tree was told that a species that creates a god in his own image

21:40And then turns his back on him should no longer be enabled

21:45So because of that the food stopped giving nutrition

21:49And it was making all the people starve

21:52Because the plant life and the animals were no longer going to be feeding us, you know

22:00And until we got the message

22:02And then most of the people die off

22:04But there's a couple people that survive

22:07And when they do

22:09And they no longer need to rule the roost, so to speak

22:13Is then nutrition was again brought back to them

22:17Wow

22:19And you thought of all of this

22:21This is amazing

22:22This to me is amazing

22:24I mean, to come up with stories like that

22:27The scalping and all of that

22:29I mean, some of it is got like some factual meaning though

22:34Am I correct?

22:35Well, it all has meaning to me, you know

22:38Right, of course

22:39And yes, and when you read about taking 1,600 scalps and 29 of them infants

22:46You know, yes, that means something

22:50Yeah, it does

22:51And it's so funny how we could only be 150 or 170 years away from that

22:57And not even have a clue, you know

23:00And not even want to have a clue

23:01And then we can see some of the same horrific things going on around the world

23:06Yeah

23:07And we try to remove ourselves from it and deny it and isolate from it

23:12And not really understand how that happens and why it would happen

23:17And not being able to have any control over it

23:21And part of the control over it is knowledge

23:24And it's the power of knowledge to be able to present it and to speak about it

23:32And to try to remind people that we are civilized

23:38We didn't evolve for millions of years to go backwards

23:42We evolved for millions of years because we know better, you know

23:46And now we know better

23:47And, you know, that's a large responsibility and it should be shared by everyone

23:54And, you know, it just takes one bad apple as they say

23:58But we need to work in unity marching towards the same place

24:04And I use the word marching and I hate to use that word because it's so militaristic

24:09But let's just say moving in the direction towards the light

24:12Yeah

24:13You know, and I think that's what's missing right now from a lot of us

24:19And they held so many people captive with the economy

24:25That people don't have time to have quiet to themselves

24:30To say is if I had time, if I had ability, who would I be?

24:36Who would I want to be?

24:37And who would I want to teach my children to be like?

24:41You know, and I know there's many teachers out there

24:46And a lot of them do really good work

24:49But again, it takes all of us

24:52And sometimes we really have to put ourselves in a position of sacrifice

24:58To get to where we need to be

25:00Definitely, definitely

25:02You have another book called The Attenuating Puritan

25:05I got that right this time

25:07Yes

25:08Because I'm looking at the cover of it and I think I see something

25:12Wait a minute, hold on a second

25:14It's upside down

25:15Wait, on the back of his garment there's

25:18Is that the Shroud of Turin?

25:20That's like the Shroud of Turin exactly

25:23And the Attenuating Puritan puts himself in harm's way

25:28Attenuating toxins in the environment

25:31Oh

25:32Toxins in our food sources

25:33Drugs that we shouldn't be doing

25:37And it's his mission in life

25:40And I say in the book that he's slightly autistic and ADHD

25:45And he gets stuck

25:46But from attenuating emulsifiers like polysorbate 80

25:51He's developed colon cancer

25:53And he bleeds the face of Jesus

25:56Because of his cancer

25:58And, you know, so

26:01Yes, and he always says the Lord has my back

26:04Because the Lord always has his back

26:06But he's a character that I really appreciate and admired

26:12You know, my mom warned me not to become that guy

26:16So I'm trying not to be him, you know

26:19But his story's interesting

26:21Like I said, he's a little bit autistic

26:23So he has problems with his social skills

26:27He's never, or sometimes he is

26:31But he's usually not appropriate all the time

26:34And he starts out, he's up near the Love Canal

26:38Upstate New York

26:39And he's eating Forbes

26:42And whatever he can find

26:45And he's been there for about 40 years

26:47For about 40 days

26:49And his body's all festered up and blistered up

26:52Because he's sick

26:53And he's getting too weak to eat

26:55And he goes to the side of the road

26:57And it's raining

26:59And the water's running off the road

27:01And it's making an oil slick in the drainage ditch

27:04And he's like asking God

27:06How can I do this? And what should I do?

27:09And the water reminds him that he is getting a calling

27:14And he should go to Flint, Michigan

27:16And to clean as much water as he can in Flint

27:19Because the water is so full of metals

27:21Lead in particular

27:23So he hitchhikes over to Flint, Michigan

27:26And it's his idea that he's going to clean all the water up

27:30And then he gets to the reality that he can't possibly do that

27:34So he starts breaking into churches

27:37And using a McDonald's straw

27:39He's drinking all the water out of the stoops

27:41And out of the baptismal baths

27:44And he's just, you know, going through it

27:48Doing the best he can

27:49Absorbing as much as he can

27:51And he goes and he sleeps out under the power lines

27:54Because he's basically a homeless guy

27:56And he gets an epiphany

27:58That there's glyphosate in the communion hosts

28:02Because they're made out of wheat

28:04And then he gets this thing that he's going to attenuate

28:08As many of the communion hosts as he can

28:11To save the people from ingesting

28:17And why would God present himself in a product that's known to cause cancer?

28:23Right

28:24You know, it just, you know, when

28:27And I was saying is that, you know, you look at life and you laugh at things

28:31And then when you realize what you're laughing at, you start crying

28:35And then you start crying so much that you start laughing

28:40And then you realize how it's all absurd

28:43And that we have to weave our way through this absurdity

28:47To get from the beginning to the end of it

28:50Without maintaining the ability to laugh at ourselves

28:55And trying not to cry at ourselves at the same time

28:59You know, so, so he goes there

29:02And I looked up a bed and breakfast or an Airbnb in Flint, Michigan

29:10And the first one that I found looking on the computer was one

29:14And this is for real

29:16Where the person wanted to go on vacation with his wife

29:20She just got diagnosed with cancer

29:22So they had to cancel their trip

29:26And he put an infrared sauna in his place

29:30And when she passed, they rented it out as an Airbnb

29:35And it just shows you how real life some of this is

29:41And how close it is

29:43But at any rate, he books a room there

29:45And he orders a couple of cases of unconsecrated communion hosts from Amazon

29:52And they're coming in big boxes with 48 little boxes with a thousand in each

29:59In a case

30:00And he orders several cases

30:02And the other thing that was attenuating

30:04And cleaning the attenuation of glyphosate

30:09Glyphosate, which was in the Roundup

30:11Which was in the wheat crops

30:12Which is why the communion hosts were contaminated

30:16Was sauerkraut juice

30:18So he orders cases of sauerkraut juice

30:21And the people at the Airbnb don't hear from him for four days

30:25And they're wondering if something's going on

30:27They knock in a store, he doesn't answer

30:29They yell to him, he doesn't answer

30:30So they let themselves into his room

30:32And the bed hadn't been slept in

30:35And they find him

30:36And he's passed out in the infrared sauna

30:40With communion hosts plastered to his naked body

30:44And empty jars of sauerkraut juice lying on the floor

30:48So that was his effort

30:51To attenuate the glyphosate in the communion hosts at that point

30:56And they just thought he was crazy

30:59But after they saw what he was doing

31:01They didn't feel threatened by him

31:03And they ended up putting a little camera in him

31:06And he didn't know he had it

31:08But everywhere he went

31:10They were watching what crazy things this guy was doing

31:14And of course he was continuing to attenuate

31:17And, you know, do crazy stuff

31:20And then you could go online

31:23And you could go to leper.com

31:26And if you submitted a video

31:29Catching him doing something crazy

31:32You could get cash incentives

31:35You know, so they're following this crazy guy around

31:38And trying to capitalize on him, you know

31:41He ends up having liver failure

31:45And by now he's in Minnesota

31:47And he argues with the doctors at the hospital

31:50Because he can't stop attenuating

31:52And they're not going to give him a new liver

31:54If he can't stop

31:56So he ends up just getting in a big fight there

31:59And moving on

32:00And then he goes down to Oklahoma City

32:02Where he has the sermon on the heap

32:04And he didn't know that he was still being followed

32:08But some promoters had everybody meet in Oklahoma City

32:16And when he tried to get away from them

32:18He cut a hole in a fence in a landfill

32:20And he ended up climbing on top of a heap

32:24And more than 10,000 people showed up

32:27And he spoke to the crowd

32:29And it was a religious experience, let's say

32:33You know

32:34You know

32:36So he goes there

32:37Anyway, from there

32:38A couple other things happen

32:39And the next thing

32:40He's just solo traveling from Superfund site

32:44To Superfund site in Colorado

32:47So he's going to Rocky Flats

32:49And he's going to the Irvana Mines

32:52And to all these places that are contaminated

32:57Which they were supposedly cleaning up

33:00But there's still contaminants there and around

33:02Rocky Flats is

33:05There was a fire in a nuclear facility in the 1950s

33:13And it set to cloud up

33:15That blew easterly

33:17And contaminated the soil

33:20And what they did with it was

33:22They made it a wildlife refuge

33:24You know

33:25The half-life was more than 20,000 years

33:28That it was going to be contaminated

33:30But no one was looking at the Gleason scale

33:34And all those large mammals

33:36They were just appreciating that there was elk

33:39And large game over there

33:41You know

33:42And it looks nice

33:43You know

33:44But you wouldn't think that it was radioactive

33:46You know

33:47And you'd be

33:49And they don't even want to tell you that

33:51But it's just there

33:52Wow

33:53He's doing all of that

33:55Then he has issues with fertility

33:57And that's

33:58I love that scene

33:59But I'm not going to even go into it

34:01And then from there

34:02He goes over to Burning Man

34:04Which is another scene

34:05And we won't even go there

34:07No

34:08But he ends up with his fertility issues

34:11The Lord always had his back

34:12They were

34:13He was back working again

34:15And he had a young wife

34:16And he went over to Berkeley

34:18And at the end of the story

34:19Him and his young wife

34:21Had changed

34:22No, no, no, no, no

34:23Don't say it

34:24Don't say it

34:25Okay

34:26Don't say it

34:27Don't say it

34:28Okay

34:29I won't

34:30Wow

34:31Just to go through this

34:32I mean

34:33What went through your mind

34:34When you were like

34:35I'm going to have this guy

34:36Take on all of the badness

34:38Of this earth

34:39As much as possible

34:40I mean

34:41Was that something that you thought

34:42That maybe

34:43You know

34:44There was a whole bunch of

34:46Different thought processes

34:47That went through there

34:48And you know

34:49And a lot of times

34:51You know

34:52And people have said since

34:53You know

34:54He should have been with a team

34:55Of people that was doing this

34:56And I said

34:57You know

34:58I could write that book

34:59A whole bunch of different ways

35:02But the most powerful way

35:04Is for one person

35:06Undeterred

35:08On one mission

35:09And that is the most powerful

35:11Because we can all

35:13Be him

35:14You know

35:15And we don't have to do it

35:16All ourselves

35:17Right

35:18But what he really teaches

35:19Is

35:20The responsibility

35:22That it's our responsibility

35:24And he teaches not to be

35:26Deterred

35:27Whether people are laughing at him

35:28Or taking movies of him

35:30Or

35:31Telling him he's nuts

35:32Or

35:33He shouldn't be doing that

35:34Because

35:35His mission

35:36And like I said

35:37He was autistic

35:38ADHD

35:39And

35:40And

35:41Stuffed on a mission

35:42Was to clean up

35:43The Garden of Eden

35:44And he never stopped doing that

35:46And he even looked at drugs

35:47And alcohol

35:48As things that shouldn't be

35:50In the Garden of Eden

35:51In the Garden of Eden

35:52And therefore

35:53They needed to be

35:54Attenuated

35:55And removed

35:56From our presence

35:57You know

35:58And if there was no other way

35:59To get that done

36:00Than to consume them himself

36:03That's what he was going to do

36:05And it was never about

36:06Partying

36:07Or getting high

36:08Or anything else

36:09It was about

36:10Cleaning

36:11Till it was immaculate

36:12The Garden of Eden

36:13And

36:14And that's the

36:15That's the message

36:16And that's

36:17Wow

36:18And the symbolism

36:19Of

36:20The sacrifice

36:21That he was willing to make

36:22And he wasn't afraid

36:23To get as sick

36:24As he could get

36:25Because

36:26He believed that

36:27The Lord

36:28Wanted this mission done

36:29And he believed

36:30He was

36:31The necessary machinery

36:33To do that

36:34Wow

36:35So

36:36In the

36:37The sequel of it

36:38The story's a lot different

36:39But I have

36:40He had left the country

36:42At the end of the last book

36:45And he comes back

36:46And

36:47People had started

36:48The

36:49Attenuators

36:51The puritanical

36:52School

36:53Of the attenuators

36:55And

36:56They're teaching people

36:57And they're sitting in front of

36:58Large screen TVs

36:59Looking at

37:00Lysosomes

37:01And

37:02Polysomes

37:03And they're trying to

37:04Envision

37:05Their cells

37:06Being able to take on

37:07More toxics

37:08Wow

37:09Break them down

37:10And then to

37:11To clean them out

37:12So they're

37:13They're trying

37:14Not to think about it

37:15They're trying

37:16To only biologically

37:17Respond to it

37:19In the

37:20Most productive way possible

37:21So

37:22I really wanted to

37:23Highlight that

37:24And the use of our bodies

37:26To clean up the toxins

37:28And have enough faith

37:29That you can fast

37:30And heal

37:31And

37:32Maybe you won't be

37:34A hundred percent

37:35But

37:36Could get you back up to

37:37Ninety-eight percent

37:38And you could continue

37:39In California

37:40So

37:41Wow

37:42And then they start teaching

37:43At nursing homes

37:44And they're giving

37:46Old people

37:47The opportunity

37:48To do something

37:49Worthwhile

37:50For their

37:51Grandchildren

37:52And their great-grandchildren

37:53By participating

37:54In the cleanup efforts

37:56And using

37:57Every last bit of life

37:58They have

37:59To keep

38:00The flame burning

38:02Wow

38:03That is

38:04That is

38:05Deep

38:06Those

38:07They're both deep

38:08They're both deep

38:09Both of your books are deep

38:10I don't know if you

38:11Understand what I'm saying

38:12They have depth to them

38:13I mean

38:14There's like

38:15Wow

38:16I mean

38:17You have

38:18I think if I was

38:1930 and I wrote a fantasy

38:21It would be swashbuckling

38:22And all of that

38:23But when you're my age

38:25And you're trying to

38:26Teach

38:27And you're trying to

38:28Put a message out there

38:30Is

38:31Is

38:32It has to have

38:33Substance

38:34It has to be something

38:35You can bite into

38:36And it has to

38:37Leave something behind

38:40So I tried to make sure

38:41That

38:42That what I said

38:43Would resonate

38:45And that

38:46It would have

38:47Legs

38:48It would

38:49Have its own future

38:50So

38:51I was trying to build that

38:52Let's see if that happens

38:53Definitely

38:54Definitely

38:55So both of your books

38:56Can be found on Amazon

38:57And

38:58Like maybe Barnes and Nobles

38:59And places like that as well

39:01Yes

39:02Yep

39:03And

39:04All the major booksellers

39:05I think have them

39:06Thrift books

39:07And

39:08And Walmart

39:09And

39:10So I think you can find them

39:11Pretty much anywhere

39:12Awesome

39:13We're going to put the links

39:14In the description box

39:15So it's drop calls

39:16And the attenuating Puritan

39:18And we're going to make sure

39:19That you guys have the links

39:20To those

39:21So that it will be easy

39:22For you to find those books

39:23And if you are interested in something

39:25That may change your entire thought

39:27Passion pattern

39:28In world

39:29Because this will

39:30Then go ahead and check that out

39:32For yourselves

39:32Wow

39:33This is like superhero stuff to me

39:35That's what that is

39:36That's superhero stuff to me

39:38Because I think that superheroes

39:40And especially in the movies

39:41And things like that

39:42Like with Superman

39:43Or the Fantastic Four

39:45Or you know what I mean

39:46Like the Hulk

39:47And these people

39:48You think that they can

39:50Actually do this

39:51And get this

39:52And it's just amazing

39:53Amazing

39:54I love it

39:55I think they should be superheroes

39:57Well that was suggested

40:01It's why don't we have a team of people

40:03Be superheroes to do this

40:04Exactly

40:05And again you know

40:06And it's funny

40:07It's because one of the people

40:08I was interested in doing a movie

40:09They gave the Puritan a name

40:12And I said you know

40:13Is you really missed the entire point of it

40:16If as a name

40:18We can't all be that person

40:21You know

40:22So let's not give them a name

40:25Right

40:26Let's all be him

40:27Wow

40:28I agree

40:29And I don't know why

40:30But I keep losing my speakers now

40:32Well we're almost done

40:34Can you hear me?

40:35I can hear you

40:36Yes

40:37Yes I can hear you

40:38Not a problem

40:39Wow

40:40Well Robert

40:41You got me?

40:46I think so

40:48I can hear you

40:49But I don't see me anymore

40:51Well I got you

40:52I got you

40:53Well thank you so much Robert

40:54For being on the show

40:55I appreciate it so much for you being here

40:58And for taking the time out to be here

41:00And to you know

41:02Tell us about your books

41:04Again that's Dropped Calls

41:05And The Intenuating Puritan

41:07We're going to put the links

41:08In the description box below

41:10And thank you again so much Robert

41:12For being here

41:13I appreciate it so very much

41:17And until next time guys

41:19Don't forget to dare to be different

41:20Bye

41:21Bye

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