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00:00G-I-R-L-S, it's my girls and yes we came to step. G-I-R-L-S, it's my girls and yes.
00:08This is for the girls, this is for the girls, all around the world, all around the world.
00:13If you're gonna come here, come here, come here, come here, come here, come here, come here.
00:20Hi! How are you? Oh my god. Good. I brought you a little present. Oh my gosh.
00:26We do open it. Just because you weren't at the girls trip and we missed you, so I wanted to bring you something back from New Orleans.
00:33That's so nice of you. Open it, look at it, let me hold baby.
00:36I feel really bad that I didn't stick up for Taylor at the Satan Sinners party and in New Orleans and I'm honestly really sick of Demi's behavior recently.
00:43And I want to make up for not being able to stick up for her and be a better friend and that's all gonna start with beignets.
00:49How was the trip? It was good.
00:52New Orleans is definitely different.
00:54Oh, beignets. Oh, how fun.
00:56It's like you've New Orleans at home.
00:58Cute.
00:59You didn't even have to leave Utah.
01:01Do you want me to grab him back or?
01:02Honestly, I'll take him.
01:03Okay. I'm obsessed with him.
01:04That'd be great.
01:05I adore him.
01:06Single mom life, it's so freaking hard.
01:08Yeah.
01:09I just know he's like so tired but he fights sleep, so.
01:13So like what was your reasoning for not coming?
01:17I just feel like with the Satan Sinner party, I felt very like alone.
01:22So I feel like I didn't want to go into a trip being in that same spot.
01:27And then I feel like with Demi like bringing up like my lowest point in my life is just insane.
01:32So should we talk about the way that you treat your boyfriend?
01:35It's not okay.
01:36Yes, from my history.
01:38Let's go ask Dakota.
01:39Go out, breathe.
01:40I'm going to protect your ever in this situation.
01:43She went to a different level.
01:44And so I just felt like I didn't want to be in a house with her for the weekend.
01:49Yeah.
01:50Okay.
01:51A little jumper.
01:52Those things are the best.
01:53I know.
01:54Because it keeps them contained.
01:55I think definitely there's like hard feelings that she has towards you still.
02:03Because in Orlean, she said that like if you're in Montauk, then like she would like leave Montauk.
02:08Bitch, what?
02:09Like you're a bully in what world?
02:11Not only to me, but half the group.
02:13You are not some saint that you think you are.
02:16Yeah.
02:17No, she needs Jesus.
02:19Yes.
02:20It's true.
02:21Hi.
02:22Hey.
02:23I was going to come get the door, but I know you always walk in.
02:25Oh, hey.
02:26How's it going?
02:27You look pretty.
02:28Oh, you're so nice.
02:29Oh, just working today, so.
02:31Oh, are you?
02:32How's everything going with you?
02:33I haven't seen you in a minute.
02:34Good.
02:35I'm just filling her in on New Orleans drama.
02:36Oh.
02:37Was there a lot of drama?
02:38I think just Demi has a lot of very harsh feeling towards Tay right now.
02:45And just basically like her general consensus was just that if Taylor's in Montauk, she
02:50doesn't want to be in Montauk.
02:51No way.
02:52Yeah.
02:53Oh my.
02:54Well, let her go.
02:55Hey.
02:56Hey.
02:57Hey, buddy.
02:58You want to get out?
02:59I'm trying to talk.
03:00But I am a musician.
03:01He's so cute.
03:02So I guess with that being said, I feel like it's going to make things like super awkward
03:06that she's throwing the Christmas party, but it's like her thing.
03:14What?
03:15Babe, I don't think you're going to go to that.
03:18Why?
03:19Demi probably doesn't want you there.
03:21Then why did she invite me?
03:23I think that she may have accidentally invited you, but she maybe forgot you're on that group
03:29thread and then sent out the invite.
03:32What?
03:33I don't know what he's trying to do or where he's going.
03:36Did you already buy your dress and everything to go?
03:39Um, yeah.
03:40I had everything planned.
03:41That sucks.
03:42Yeah.
03:43It's obviously unfortunate because it's just like, I feel like she's trying to turn everyone
03:46against me and I don't like that.
03:49I wouldn't either.
03:50The only thing less Mormon than being uninvited to a Christmas party would be uninvited to
03:55a baby blessing and both have happened to me.
03:58And I feel like karma is a bitch.
03:59So I'm going to let it do its thing.
04:01I, I'm not going to tell you not to come to the Christmas party.
04:04I think that's your say you're a grown woman and you can make your own decisions for yourself.
04:08But I will say that it probably won't go over well if you do come.
04:13Or I can just go crash their party for you.
04:17I'll put my boxing gloves on.
04:19Just kidding.
04:20I would never really want to go to a party that I'm uninvited to, but I'm not letting
04:25Jimmy off the hook that easily.
04:26If you want to push me out, you're gonna have to say it to my face.
04:29Say yes to my face.
04:30I'm going to give them what they want.
04:32Come ye saints and come ye sinners.
04:37Alleluia.
04:40Just alone, I'm the one you've been dreaming of.
04:46I've got everything you could ever want.
04:50Try me in your sleep, I'll bring you to your knees, baby you're gonna believe.
04:56All I want for Christmas is...
05:24A pink best lady.
05:35After New Orleans, it's just been so noisy and chaotic and I'm wanting to wrap up the year of mom talk in a positive way.
05:44Hello.
05:45Hello.
05:46Shut up.
05:47You look stunning.
05:48You look amazing.
05:49Oh, beautiful.
05:50I love this color on you.
05:51Hi.
05:52Hello.
05:53Welcome.
05:54Hi.
05:55Gorgeous.
05:56No, like literally, I don't know who you are.
05:59What?
06:00I'm like weirded out.
06:01You really don't look like yourself.
06:02I have vocally expressed how I don't really see a need for Taylor in mom talk.
06:16I don't know where everyone else kind of falls in with that, but I am just hoping that this night proves we're better off without her and that we can experience a new place that we've never been before.
06:26Oh, they got blankets.
06:27It looks pretty.
06:28The lake.
06:29Yeah, it's so pretty.
06:30The snow.
06:31To me, even the red coat.
06:33Yeah.
06:34You're so monochromatic today.
06:35You look like a mob wife.
06:36I know.
06:37So fancy.
06:38I know.
06:39I'm glad you guys were on board.
06:41Fulfilling my fantasy.
06:42Everyone looks so cute.
06:43Oh, shit.
06:44Are you okay?
06:45No.
06:46How are you?
06:47Hi.
06:48How are you?
06:49Good.
06:50He's inside feeding Billy.
06:51I know.
06:52Okay.
06:53We have to go inside.
06:54Like, my toes are literally going to fall.
06:56Hi.
06:57Oh, my God.
06:58You look amazing.
06:59You guys look amazing.
07:00Wow.
07:01I'm going to bust out some champagne for those that want it.
07:05I know you two are pregnant.
07:06We get first dibs.
07:12I love champagne.
07:13Did you get real champagne?
07:14Yeah, I did.
07:15I've never had champagne.
07:16Can we do a little toast really quick?
07:18I always feel like these events are supposed to be fun.
07:21But Demi is basically trying to kick Taylor out of MomTalk
07:24and it's putting all of us in an uncomfortable situation
07:27between her and Taylor and it just doesn't feel fair.
07:29Thank you all for coming tonight.
07:30This was such a special night.
07:32Cheers to another year of MomTalk surviving
07:36and to many more years to come.
07:39Love you all.
07:40Merry Christmas.
07:41Cheers.
07:42Hold, hold, hold, hold.
07:44Perfect.
07:45P.S. Dad Talk.
07:46Woo.
07:47So far so good.
07:48Tonight is going amazing.
07:50Oh, more meatballs.
07:51Perfect.
07:52I feel like there's going to be minimal drama
07:54because Taylor's not here.
07:56And things are looking up for us right now.
08:01Oh, wait, I want a chicken.
08:02What are you guys whispering about?
08:04Don't you know what our whole group is known for?
08:06Secrets.
08:07Okay, let's go set.
08:08Okay, let's go set.
08:17Oh, it's Taylor's mom's mom.
08:18Hi, Leanne.
08:19Hello.
08:20Hello.
08:21Hi.
08:22How are you?
08:23How are you?
08:24Good.
08:25Oh, shit.
08:26What are you doing?
08:27Just coming to drop off a present.
08:30Did you come bearing gifts?
08:32Yes.
08:33Who is this for?
08:34For you, from Taylor.
08:35What the hell is Leanne doing here?
08:37Let your daughter fight her own battles, please.
08:40I would never be caught dead in this situation
08:43if this were my daughter.
08:45Did you just come alone?
08:46Yeah, I just came alone.
08:47Things have been nuts.
08:48Do you want to sit down and talk for a minute?
08:49Sure.
08:50Let's do it.
08:51It's just an interesting, weird situation.
08:52I think this feels like when she called you for not showing up to Taylor's shower.
08:57Leanne.
08:58Hey, Whitney.
09:00Yeah.
09:01This is Leanne, Tay's mom.
09:03How's it going?
09:04Good, what's up?
09:05Good.
09:06I was just calling because I noticed you weren't here.
09:08Your mom called Whitney.
09:10Oh, my gosh.
09:11I mean, to be frank, this is very on brand for Leanne.
09:17So what's going on?
09:18What's going on with Taylor?
09:19Oh, I don't know.
09:20That's what I was kind of wanting to find out from you.
09:24Yeah.
09:25You know, the obvious elephant in the room is just kind of the online stuff that's been going on.
09:31I kind of was, like, with her on this.
09:33This was such a huge thing for her to go and be on the CMAs.
09:37Mm-hmm.
09:38And I thought that was odd, too, that none of you guys, it just kind of seems weird.
09:43Like, are they jealous of you?
09:45You know, like, are they mad because they didn't get picked to go?
09:48Okay, yes, that was strange.
09:49We all can agree.
09:50Like, do you agree with the way that she went about it?
09:52I think she did it, like, as, like, funny.
09:55Like, being really catty and just, like, petty, you know?
09:58And she did it, and then it just got out of hand.
10:01Yeah.
10:02Do you think that she needs someone to go over there?
10:04To me?
10:05Yeah.
10:06Maybe, but...
10:07You're voted in.
10:08I can't.
10:09It's you.
10:10You're the best friend.
10:11Client?
10:12I can't.
10:13This has gotten to the point where I've seen it happen with other people.
10:16I've watched it happen online, mixed in with the fact that I'm having Dakota calling, saying all the things that are happening behind closed doors in their relationship.
10:23So that's what is concerning to me.
10:26It's like, you care about her well-being or her family or whatever.
10:29Absolutely.
10:30But it just seems like you want to be, like, Queen B.
10:32No.
10:33Leigh Ann.
10:34And trying to be, like, okay, let's get Taylor out of the picture because now I want to be Taylor.
10:38No.
10:39I've listened to Taylor's side for three years, and I understand that the situation at hand is toxic.
10:46That's where we're, like, walk away. Like, stop doing it for the kids.
10:49You okay?
10:50Oh, yes.
10:51Okay, you're good.
10:52Yes.
10:53Okay, cool.
10:54As a friend, you should go try to see, like, what's wrong with you, Taylor?
10:57What can I do to get you, like, some help?
11:01What can I do to make your load less?
11:03I mean, she's a single mom.
11:05I hope you understood, and I've been a single mom as well, and I've gone through very similar things that she has.
11:10I have texted her over 30 times just texting her to check in on her.
11:15To me, I was a single mom for a month.
11:18Guess how many times she's done that for me?
11:20Not once.
11:21Because right now...
11:22Not one time.
11:23I mean, right now she can't.
11:24It's been three years.
11:25She is...
11:26I know, but she never has.
11:27She never has.
11:28She never has.
11:29More than anything, I just, like, want to be there for Demi.
11:32And this conversation is just getting more and more heated.
11:35I mean, I get it.
11:36Like, Leanne is Taylor's mom.
11:38She wants to stand up for Taylor, but I'm just like, why are you enabling this behavior?
11:42Why do you think that we're in the wrong right now?
11:45Why isn't your daughter in the wrong?
11:47How can you not see that?
11:48I want you to know in the three years I've also gone through a divorce.
11:51I've dealt with fertility issues, marital, financial issues.
11:55And not one time in three years has she's called and checked in on me.
11:59And that's not just me.
12:00That's the group.
12:01Uh-oh.
12:02I think Leanne's upset.
12:03She's like...
12:04She's like...
12:05I think so.
12:06She is a great person.
12:07Like, she's the one that brought you guys all together, whether you think so or not.
12:23When she was in her deepest...
12:29Deepest part of her life.
12:31You know, like, all her friends that, like, just disowned her.
12:34And to see her...
12:37Her friends.
12:38Her so-called friends, like...
12:41Bash her.
12:42I'm so sick, especially with Taylor, of her getting a pass because she's going through hard things.
12:48And saying, well, that's just how she is.
12:50Welcome to the real world, Taylor.
12:52This sucks.
12:53Fucking sucked for us, too.
12:55Stop posting online.
12:56Actually care about your friends like we care about you.
12:58There's no way to spin this as though she's the victim.
13:00She's not the victim here.
13:01Is Demi for real right now?
13:02I can't believe she's yelling and cussing at Leanne, especially because we're taught in the church to treat others with respect.
13:08And yeah, it's just very inappropriate.
13:10She does not get my name.
13:11I'm so sorry.
13:12I'm so sorry.
13:13I'm sorry.
13:14I'm sorry.
13:15I'm sorry.
13:16I'm sorry.
13:17I'm sorry.
13:18I'm sorry.
13:19I'm sorry.
13:20I'm sorry.
13:21I'm sorry.
13:22I'm sorry.
13:23I'm sorry.
13:24She does not get my sympathy anymore.
13:26She needs help.
13:27She needs to go to therapy and she needs to go be a fucking mom.
13:32Oh, ho, ho.
13:36This is a fever dream, you guys.
13:39Holy cow.
13:40The timing is impeccable.
13:42I'm looking for the nice girls.
13:45Zach, is that you?
13:46Are you from Pippin' Tales?
13:48Hello.
13:49Hi.
13:50Oh, the naughty one.
13:51We're the naughty one.
13:52She's the naughty one.
13:53I hope Santa brings their new group of friends.
13:56Just kidding.
13:57What do you girls want for Christmas?
13:59Peace and mom talk.
14:00Peace and mom talk.
14:01Peace and mom talk.
14:02Whatever Taylor's going through, I pray for her.
14:04I hope that she gets the help that she needs.
14:06I really do.
14:07I appreciate that.
14:08Okay.
14:09I'm gonna let you guys finish your conversation.
14:10Yep.
14:11I'm gonna go see Santa.
14:12Yep.
14:13Um, is it snowing or is that fake?
14:15Oh, weird.
14:16Is that fake or is that real?
14:17Guys, the snow.
14:18Aww.
14:19Should we go look at it?
14:20Yeah.
14:21No.
14:22I'd rather be out there than in here.
14:23Really?
14:24I do think that I want to step in and defend Leanne because I'm really, really shocked by this
14:28behavior.
14:29I don't want to speak to anyone's mother this way, but to me is beyond being reasoned
14:33with at this point.
14:34So I think everyone's just like staying quiet to stay safe.
14:37I think it is very telling that like if you sat down and you like talk to each of the
14:41girls and you.
14:42Don't mean to interrupt.
14:43Yeah.
14:44Surprise for you outside.
14:45We can come back to this.
14:46Okay.
14:47Oh, I love it.
14:49Woo hoo hoo.
14:50Okay.
14:51Like right here, babe.
14:54Wow.
14:55These are cool.
14:56I don't want to get in it.
14:58In the bubble.
14:59It's like this.
15:00Oh, cute.
15:01Don't spread the eyes.
15:04You know, I didn't mean to come and like just bombard your party, you know.
15:09No, it's okay.
15:10I know that you're a concerned mother.
15:12Um, anyway, do you want to walk her out to her car?
15:15No, that's okay.
15:16I appreciate you talking.
15:17And I feel there'll be more to come.
15:19Oh, gosh.
15:20Because I haven't even pulled out my boxing gloves, so get ready.
15:24It was just so inappropriate all around.
15:27I definitely feel bad for Leigh-Anne right now.
15:30She's clearly emotional, and I don't think it's appropriate for Demi to be almost fighting
15:34her like she's Taylor.
15:36Like these are all things that they should be saying to Taylor, and I don't think it's
15:39fair that they're taking it out on Leigh-Anne.
15:41Oh, I'm really sorry about everything.
15:42I just want you to know as a mom, I totally sympathize with where you're coming from.
15:47Oh, Susan.
15:48I know.
15:49I felt like I was listening half the time to Taylor 2.0.
15:51I know.
15:52Just deflection, deflection, excuses, excuses.
15:54I understand Leigh-Anne getting emotional.
15:57What I'm having a really hard time with is that you're sitting in front of people who
16:01she has been an absolute dog shit friend to, and you're trying to sell me on Taylor being
16:08a good person.
16:09Clearly that was put into your head from Taylor.
16:12It's giving manipulation.
16:14Move it along.
16:15Are you going to open the gift?
16:18Should I open it?
16:19Taylor's gift?
16:20I don't really want to open her gift right now.
16:22Should I though?
16:23Yeah.
16:24I want to see what it is.
16:25Oh, okay.
16:26Let's get this out of the way because I don't know what it is.
16:28And the track record with gifts in this group is not...
16:31Like, is it ticking at all?
16:33I'm like...
16:34It's a bomb!
16:36It's from Taylor.
16:37Taylor.
16:38What?
16:39Oh, from Taylor.
16:40Wait, I'm so confused right now.
16:43It's PR.
16:44It's Jay-Z PR.
16:45I would die.
16:46Oh my God!
16:49Did you give this to go?
16:51Wait, is there a car?
16:52Wait, what the fuck?
16:53It's gotta be because of the whole...
16:54It is because of the Jay-Z PR thing.
16:55Oh my God.
16:56Yeah.
16:57Well, if that...
16:58Should we invite Leigh-Anne back in and say, I don't know who...
16:59You know who your daughter is, actually?
17:00Taylor, Frankie, Paul, everyone.
17:01This is just...
17:02Oh my God.
17:03Yeah.
17:04Well, if that...
17:05Should we invite Leigh-Anne back in and say, I don't know who...
17:06You know who your daughter is, actually?
17:07Taylor, Frankie, Paul, everyone.
17:08This is just so childish and, yet again, unsurprising.
17:13Uh...
17:14Well, my thought process was to gift to me Jay-Z style hair products.
17:22Because I think everyone in MomTalk should keep her at arm's length.
17:26Because if you can do that to your best friend, you can do that to any of us.
17:29Okay.
17:30I'm gonna head out.
17:31Oh, love you.
17:32Love you.
17:33Hi.
17:34MomTalk was originally about not only women supporting women, but especially mothers supporting other mothers.
17:43I worry that maybe it's drifted from that.
17:45I'm not entirely sure if it's something I want to be a part of again.
17:48But it's also hard because I'm like, MomTalk could be great.
17:52Bye, Miranda.
17:53Bye, me.
17:54Bye, Miranda.
17:55So I thought that with, like, the new year and being MomTalk and celebrating MomTalk, I think we need to talk about things.
18:01Like, who's in, who's not?
18:03Like, what's going on?
18:04Oh, okay.
18:05A board meeting?
18:06Yes, a board meeting.
18:07Oh, no.
18:08This is doing this all the time.
18:09We're no different, lady.
18:10True.
18:11So let's find a time that works for everyone.
18:13But what does that look like?
18:14Like, who's coming?
18:15I think everyone come, let them speak their piece, and then go from there.
18:19I do feel like Miranda's, like, an honorary member at the moment.
18:23Like, we haven't officially brought her in.
18:25So should we do this without her?
18:27We need to get the OGs together for a minute and, like, pass it out.
18:30Okay, so everyone but Miranda.
18:31Yeah.
18:32I'm really not sure how this meeting's gonna go, but it needs to happen because Demi is destroying the soul of MomTalk.
18:37I'm sad because I did consider Demi my best friend, but time and time again, she punches down on everyone.
18:43It's her behavior that reads as destructive to MomTalk, not Taylor's.
18:47That's kind of how I view Taylor.
18:48Yeah.
18:49At what point are people, like, disengaging enough to where it's like, well, we're not gonna all pull the weight for you.
18:56Like, we're moving forward, and we're rebuilding, and we're re-establishing things.
19:00It seems to be a running pattern that wherever Taylor is, chaos follows.
19:05It's never gonna end well, and so I think that this conversation is very important to the future of MomTalk.
19:11So if you care, come. If you don't care, then don't be important.
19:14You're showing us, yeah.
19:15Do you think Liz has the big carrots like this?
19:32No way!
19:34Hudson!
19:35Oh, my gosh!
19:36How are you?
19:37Oh, my gosh!
19:38How are you guys?
19:39How are you guys?
19:40I've been super busy because I am in the process of writing a book.
19:44I got a book deal.
19:46Like, officially?
19:47Yes.
19:48Yes.
19:49MomTalk is supposed to stand for women supporting women, but the fighting in MomTalk has gotten so out of control.
19:54When I first started social media, my whole goal was to inspire other women with my story.
19:59So writing this book, I'm really hoping I can lead by example.
20:02Come here, Harlow.
20:03Good to see you guys again.
20:04Good to see you guys.
20:05It's been a minute or two.
20:06My book is about my life story because I was a sophomore in college when I got pregnant.
20:12And when I was pregnant, Hudson's dad, Eric, passed away.
20:15No, I was sad I didn't get to go to the baseball game the other day.
20:18Hudson, he walked the first guy, and then he struck out three in a row.
20:21I can't believe that.
20:22Hudson did the best.
20:24That's what I couldn't even believe in.
20:27We did tell Hudson about Eric.
20:28I think it's very important for Hudson to know about his dad because he is half of him.
20:33That's it.
20:34One more.
20:35And there's always going to be that curiosity, and we've always wanted to be very open about it.
20:39And that way, too, he can keep his relationship really good with Jacob.
20:42Come sit down.
20:43Yeah, yeah, yeah.
20:44What are you guys doing?
20:45I'm excited that I could come see you guys and Hudson can see you guys.
20:49I was going to say, like, I wanted to come, too, because I'm wanting to write a book.
20:52Like, it's obviously a super sensitive subject with Eric and everything, but, like, he's a huge part of my story.
20:58I don't think I always dealt with my grief.
21:01I don't think you really did deal with it.
21:03Yeah.
21:04It's even harder for me now as I've gotten older because I see Hudson and I see him.
21:07I'm like, he's eight now.
21:09Like, he's, like, old now.
21:11It reminds me of him, and it's still hard for me.
21:15It still affects me a lot, and I just, I don't know.
21:24Hudson's dad, Eric, died in a car crash.
21:27I truly feel like he was my first love, and so it, like, just destroyed me.
21:32I didn't want to live, to be honest.
21:35And if it wasn't for my son, I don't even know if I'd be here today.
21:39I've never been to, like, the crash site because I think I'm scared to feel, too, because I'm like, oh, I'm happy.
21:44I'm like, I don't want to feel sad.
21:46You can't move forward until you deal with it.
21:48I had so much grief and trauma from losing Eric, and I think I've avoided facing it for all these years because it's just been too painful.
21:54But I think it's time for me to feel the feelings, finish this book, and hopefully inspire mom talk in the process.
22:00You were the only one he ever told me that he loved.
22:03Yeah.
22:04And you mattered to him.
22:06Yeah.
22:07And so all the more you mattered to me.
22:10Yeah.
22:11So I got your back.
22:12Yeah.
22:13We'll keep going.
22:14I know.
22:15I'm telling you, my dad, I promise you that's what Eric wants.
22:18What?
22:19That's what Eric would want.
22:20Set me free.
22:46Uh-oh, your dad's here.
22:47Boom.
22:48Boom.
22:51Hi.
22:52Hey.
22:53Say hi.
22:54He's like your twin, Dakota Jr.
22:56What are you up to?
22:58Not much.
22:59Just working.
23:00Just working?
23:01How are you doing with you and Taylor not being together?
23:04It's like what's best right now, and I think it's the only way to just focus on getting better, because a lot of it is just that.
23:11It's like there just needs to be like some peace there of like to like have some clarity and like think.
23:16Yeah.
23:17Um, you know what I'm saying?
23:21Going back to church at all?
23:23Yourself?
23:24Praying, it's like the one thing that can bring true peace and happiness right now.
23:28Yes, for sure.
23:29That's what's always kept me going is just like prayer.
23:31Like things don't always go the way that you want them to go.
23:34Yeah.
23:35It is really hard that we're broke up.
23:38I think if I would have been in a better place when I met Taylor, I think I could have seen the situation differently.
23:44The whole lying thing, that's a very selfish thing that I did.
23:48Being an addict for so long, it was like I was always having to hide that.
23:52Those traits still will come out sometimes, right?
23:55And especially I feel like in a relationship.
23:57And I've learned now, the truth will just set you free.
24:00Like, so just say it.
24:01She called me the other day and, you know, she was just like emotional and.
24:05Yeah.
24:06I think she's doing better, like since you guys have been separated.
24:10Like.
24:11Yeah.
24:12Just like happier.
24:13And that's all I want too.
24:14I just want her to be happy.
24:16I just want her to like be healthy and to.
24:19Yeah, that's the only thing I want for Taylor.
24:21Yeah.
24:22To be in a really good place.
24:24Jeez, dude.
24:25What is going on?
24:36To be in misery.
24:37Make no mistake.
24:39I'll go down in infamy.
24:41Infamy.
24:42Yeah.
24:43This health journey I've been going through has really grounded me during all of this MomTalk
24:51drama because it's made me realize how blessed I really am.
24:55It obviously looks crazy, but when I was looking in the mirror, I was like, oh, it's so thin.
25:00Yeah.
25:01Like it's really thin.
25:02The biopsy was benign, which is such great news.
25:04Life is so short and it's so precious.
25:06And what's not important is us all yelling at each other as a group of friends.
25:10So leading up to this meeting with MomTalk, I have seen very worrisome behavior.
25:14So I think we just need to get things out in the open.
25:17Oh my gosh.
25:18You're back here.
25:19Hi.
25:20I didn't even know you were coming in.
25:21I know.
25:22I came to get some hair for my mom.
25:23Oh, I love it.
25:24I was like, I didn't know if you'd even be here.
25:25She definitely gets these too.
25:27Yeah.
25:28You know her stuff.
25:29So I was like, that's actually perfect.
25:30You're here because I was going to call you.
25:31Oh no, it's perfect.
25:32I want to like make you come here.
25:33So what did you think of the drama at the Christmas party?
25:35I honestly like feel drained.
25:37I feel drained too, but it wasn't even about me.
25:39And I was like, are they going to like fight?
25:40Yeah.
25:41Like physically fight?
25:42I was about to say something.
25:43Mikaela's like, no.
25:44Like let it happen.
25:45Yeah.
25:46She was like, let it happen.
25:47I was like, we should tell them to go.
25:48And then she was like, no.
25:49I don't know.
25:50I am feeling so conflicted.
25:51To me?
25:52Yeah.
25:53It's hard to like all of a sudden look over.
25:54I see Leanne crying.
25:55Yeah.
25:56I just don't know how she feels like justified though in it.
25:58And I was like, why is she yelling?
26:00I don't know.
26:01I'm just, I'm at a point where I'm like, I feel like this has happened so much with Demi.
26:05And now anytime I see her doing this to me or other people, I'm so triggered.
26:09I really feel like I have PTSD.
26:10Yeah.
26:11And I'm like, that's not a healthy friendship.
26:12No.
26:13Friendship should not feel that way.
26:14No.
26:15With me and Demi, we're at a crossroads right now where I'm like, okay, I can't condone this
26:21behavior and back this behavior.
26:23I'm putting myself in Leanne's shoes.
26:25I have someone like that yelling at you.
26:27Basically calling Leanne a terrible mother too is so uncalled for.
26:30Demi's also hurt me pretty deeply.
26:32So I see her through a different lens now.
26:34And with Demi, it's like, if you're not with her, you're against her.
26:36Like if someone did this to you and your family, you'd threaten to sue them.
26:39That's what you do to Jen.
26:40That's what you do to me, everyone else.
26:42I'd be pissed if someone did that to me, like a friend.
26:44I mean, now I kind of understand why you ride the fence.
26:46Cause like there's times when I'm like, I just want peace.
26:48Trust me.
26:49I know.
26:50Yeah.
26:51It's hard.
26:52Like we're all in this weird friendship.
26:53Yeah.
26:54And it's like, if you take sides every time, there wouldn't even be like a mom talk.
26:56I feel like Demi thinks that you guys have wrapped it up.
26:58And then I see the conversations and I'm like, no, I don't know if I agree with Demi's definition
27:03of loyalty because I don't think she's always been a loyal friend to Jessie.
27:06I feel like Demi is really heated right now about Taylor, but she was really heated about
27:10Whitney in the past and Jen.
27:11I think there is a lot of friendship mending that has to happen, but Demi is not a good
27:16friend.
27:17Friendships are hard.
27:18They are sucky.
27:19There's nothing worse than like dealing with a bad friendship.
27:20It almost like affects you sometimes more than relationships.
27:22No, it does because relationships, there's an expectation.
27:25Like we're choosing this together.
27:26Don't screw me over.
27:27Yeah.
27:28Whereas friendships are almost harder.
27:29Cause it's like, there wasn't that expectation.
27:30So it hurt me more.
27:31Even after Saints and Sinners and in New Orleans with everyone, I know she was mad at
27:36me for siding with Taylor on a few things, but I feel like through the Italy drama,
27:40I've had her back.
27:41Cause I'm like, I was there the whole time in Italy.
27:43Like I saw everything and I'm also friends with Marciano and I've like chatted with him
27:47about it.
27:48And he's like, nothing bad happened.
27:50That was fine.
27:51But I'm like, I've had your back during that.
27:53And even if you did something wrong, I would have your back.
27:55I would.
27:56Exactly.
27:57That's so frustrating.
27:58Just because I happen to agree with Taylor on something doesn't mean I'm a bad friend.
28:01Like there's a lot of gaslighting and manipulation going on.
28:04She's done it to Whitney now.
28:05She's done it to me.
28:06She's now doing it to Taylor.
28:07Like that's a scary friend.
28:08I don't know.
28:09I kind of feel like I'm at a place where I need to take a break from to me.
28:12I don't blame you.
28:13I don't know what's going to happen.
28:14And I'm like scared.
28:15The real question is, are you still doing her hair?
28:18There's too much in life to be like worried about like a friendship.
28:22Like we have enough going on with like as moms and like, even in your, like your relationship,
28:25like yours is obviously fine.
28:26But like in general, we should be building each other up and not tearing each other down.
28:30I know.
28:31I feel like it's not always like that in our group.
28:33A hundred percent.
28:34It's not.
28:35I'm really hoping we can get back to a place where mom talk is supportive again.
28:39But right now that's not happening.
28:40And I feel like we all need to sit down and maybe talk about some hard truths to kind of
28:44figure out the future of mom talk.
28:51Tonight, we're finally having the big mom talk meeting to hopefully get to the bottom of what's eating away at our group.
29:10The escalating tension between Demi and Taylor is so thick right now, and it's impossible for it not to affect mom talk.
29:16It feels like something has got to get tonight because mom talk cannot go on like this.
29:20I don't really want to pick sides, but if I have to, I'm not going to choose the side of someone that's forcing my hand.
29:25It's time for a reckoning.
29:29There she is.
29:30Wait, wait, it's actually not that bad.
29:32It looks good with a star strip.
29:33It's like surgical super glue.
29:35Is this bruising or is that part of the tape?
29:37Yeah, it's bruising.
29:38It was, it's just weird to like, like they cut my throat open.
29:40Like that's the weirdest thing to wrap your head around.
29:41You get to see it?
29:42No.
29:48Oh, your best friend's here.
29:49Oh.
29:50Oh, come in.
29:51Are you late?
29:52I am.
29:53I'm always late.
29:58Hello.
30:01How's it going?
30:02Hi.
30:03Thanks for coming.
30:04This is so cute.
30:05So cute.
30:06I don't order.
30:07Oh, you can just put it over.
30:09Can we go sit down?
30:10Yeah.
30:11Interesting.
30:12Things are already brewing.
30:14Hi.
30:15Hi.
30:16What's your status with Taylor?
30:18We're, I feel like we're fine.
30:19Like we've talked and like, I feel like at this point because she like apologized and she's
30:23been making an effort.
30:24And so I said, that's all I needed to see.
30:25Yeah.
30:26But how are you feeling?
30:27Have you guys talked at all?
30:28We haven't talked.
30:29No.
30:30Um.
30:31Since Sains and Sinners?
30:34Yeah.
30:36That's been a long time.
30:37Taylor is on a path of self-destruction.
30:40She is now letting her bad habits and patterns bleed into how mom talk is perceived online.
30:49That's all of our business and reputation.
30:51To me, I don't think she is qualified in any way being the leader.
30:55I'm trying to get some sugar down my throat so I can put up a good fight.
30:59Cause you haven't talked to them since your mom came to the Christmas party, right?
31:04What'd she tell you about that?
31:05I heard.
31:07I was excluded from the Christmas party.
31:11So obviously my mom tells me the story and the disrespect Demi has towards my mom and
31:17my family.
31:18Demi was so lucky that I was not there.
31:20It like, mmm.
31:22When I do argue with her, I will hold my own cause I'm done.
31:26So do you feel like you guys need to have a conversation then?
31:29For sure.
31:30Cue.
31:31Cue her.
31:32I was just asking if you guys have talked at all since Sains and Sinners.
31:35Do you feel like you guys need to talk?
31:37I mean, I don't really have anything nice to say.
31:39So probably shouldn't say anything.
31:42I don't want to go over there.
31:44Doesn't look like a fun place to be.
31:46I don't think you guys are ever going to be friends.
31:48It's hard when we're in a group like this though, because there's a lot on the line for
31:52all of us.
31:53We do this as our job and we're a group of women that people look up to.
31:56And I love that we have that, but it's disappointing when we're kind of showcasing that we're
32:01still fighting like we're in high school sometimes.
32:03So I feel like this is actually the perfect time though.
32:05Since like Miranda's not here to talk about like her place in the group and Whitney's
32:10place in the group.
32:11And just kind of how you mentioned at the Christmas party that we kind of need to like
32:14reconvene and chat.
32:15Because we have to run like a business that we have to have like guidelines and rules
32:19like, but what's the business?
32:20I don't even know what the business is anymore.
32:22I mean, it was posting together, but we don't even do that.
32:25Yeah, I know.
32:26Like I don't even know the last time we all made a video together.
32:33We need to decide if it's getting back to that or not.
32:35I feel like we all used to have so much fun in mom talk.
32:37We would get together and make content goof around and mom talk is something that's super
32:41important to me as a single mom.
32:42It's gotten me through some really tough times.
32:44I know that things are really bad right now, but I'm not willing to give up and I hope
32:48that the other girls are willing to fight for mom talk too.
32:51I think for me, it comes down to effort.
32:53And if someone comes in and they're just like not really showing that effort, which
32:57I did feel about Miranda in the beginning, then I'm like not interested.
33:00But if they are trying to integrate themselves in, I think it's just, you have to go off of
33:04what they're doing.
33:05But again, it's going to be different for everyone.
33:07You're right.
33:08You can say you've seen effort with Whitney reaching out to you outside of it.
33:12And I haven't.
33:13Yeah.
33:14Other people haven't.
33:15And then same with Miranda.
33:16Miranda's reaching out to you.
33:17She hasn't reached out to us outside of it.
33:18And so it's hard because I'm not a definite no, but I'm like, I haven't seen that effort.
33:22I guess.
33:23How do you feel about Miranda right now?
33:25Personally, I don't have like any close friendship with her anymore.
33:32I don't think it'll ever be the same for me.
33:35And I think she came in at a convenience.
33:38So I would say no.
33:39All right.
33:40Let's just do this right now.
33:41I think with Miranda, we give it more time.
33:43I think it's exactly what we did with Whitney.
33:45And I think that's fair.
33:46I feel good about Whitney.
33:49How do you feel?
33:50I'm good.
33:51I'm happy with the progress.
33:52I'm good.
33:53Same.
33:55I'm fine with it.
33:56I don't honestly care if you are or not in the group because I have my feelings towards
34:01you and I've given you chances.
34:03And I feel like done dirty after having your back for what?
34:07How did that damage you?
34:09Because I stuck up for Whitney out of everyone when she was the one who hated me.
34:14I did that for her.
34:15When no one liked her, when no one was raising their hand to be in mom talk, I did.
34:19And when everyone was being mean to her, I was like, I'm not going to participate in
34:22this kicking someone while they're down on social media or any of it.
34:25And I literally said that.
34:26I'm Miranda's thing.
34:27Even though there's tension here, do you feel like you can coexist with Whitney?
34:31I mean, I'm fine to let her in.
34:32I'm not saying I'm going to be like friends with her or anything, but she can be, I can
34:35be cordial.
34:36Can you coexist?
34:38At this point, I don't think I have to say anything.
34:40I think everyone knows where I stand.
34:42Majority rule.
34:43She's back in.
34:44Confetti.
34:45Of course I'm happy.
34:48Majority rules.
34:49I mean, sure.
34:50Do I wish that everyone was in favor of voting me back in?
34:53Absolutely.
34:54But that's out of my control.
34:57Is that okay with everyone?
34:59I guess we'll see.
35:01I have conversations with everyone and I feel like they're all on the same page that
35:04I am.
35:05I don't think she's ever going to change.
35:07And I just am over it.
35:09I'm over it.
35:10I feel like once her true colors come out again, it's definitely going to be an I told
35:14you so moment.
35:16Demi, on the other hand, no.
35:18I would say no for me.
35:20We're not voting on me.
35:21What the fuck is wrong with you?
35:22You're so weird.
35:24I've been in mom talk this whole time.
35:26We're not voting on people who are in mom talk.
35:28What are you doing?
35:29I never said vote.
35:30I just said I couldn't be fortunate.
35:31You said you would coexist with Whitney but not with Demi.
35:33Yeah, where are you?
35:34What are you talking about?
35:35I thought you were taking a vote.
35:37Did I say that?
35:40Well, you said Demi on the other hand after we just voted.
35:43Okay, let's talk about projection.
35:44Geez, I didn't even say that.
35:45That's not projection.
35:46That was a misunderstanding.
35:49Demi, you mentioned if I'm in mom talk, like you don't want to be in mom talk.
35:53So, I think you mentioned that to the girls.
35:56Is that correct?
35:57Who told you that?
35:58Um, who told you that?
36:00What does it matter?
36:01It doesn't.
36:02It doesn't matter.
36:03You said it, so.
36:04Okay.
36:05Let's just take the bitch level down a notch.
36:08Let's just talk human to human for once in your goddamn life.
36:11Human to human.
36:13Just take it down and off.
36:14I don't like you and I don't have to change my tone.
36:15That's fine.
36:16I've done absolutely nothing to you.
36:18What?
36:19What have I done other than react to your poor behavior?
36:21I don't think you've been a good friend.
36:22What have I done?
36:24You're a shitty person to people.
36:26You've had a, you've gone at Whitney when she's down.
36:28Kicked her down.
36:29You've done it to Jen.
36:30You've done it to Jessie.
36:31You've done it to me.
36:32Okay.
36:33I've done what to Jessie?
36:35You've done what to Jessie?
36:37Oh my gosh.
36:38Your bullshit lie about Jess?
36:40What lie?
36:41About the hair drama.
36:42You twisting that whole thing.
36:43It's all bullshit.
36:44That was true.
36:45No, it wasn't Taylor.
36:47That was not true.
36:48The way you twisted it.
36:50I never said she's not good at hair.
36:52It was just hurtful to me that as a friend, you wouldn't support my business.
36:55I just, and I said that to you.
36:57But hair is so, that's my whole life.
36:59It's not.
37:00You were really dead kicking Jessie out for money.
37:01You're not a good friend.
37:03Jessie, are you worried Demi was willing to take a bigger contract even if it meant you potentially being dropped from the show?
37:09We can't run away from this.
37:10I know.
37:11Hey, here we are.
37:12That was a reaction to multiple things.
37:15It's always a reaction.
37:16Look at you.
37:17Listen to you.
37:18Multiple things had happened with Jessie and I that led to that point.
37:22It scared me a little bit that your reaction was like, like, she's out. No morals, no values. Like, let's move on without her. Like, it scared me that that was your immediate reaction.
37:30Okay.
37:31I was just like, I'm so sad and confused and upset. Like, I was just really hurt.
37:35Um, and I feel like you took that instead and just like took it to a level that I would never have taken it to even with the context we didn't have.
37:44Taylor's right. I don't feel like Demi's really taking accountability for how she hurt me. It's super disappointing.
37:50She speaks like she's a therapist and a lot of times that can make you feel like you are in the wrong and that she's right because she's so wise and it makes it seem like she's sorry when she's not.
37:59What about Jen? Have you kicked her while she's down?
38:02Because she lied and acted like...
38:03Lied about what?
38:04About Italy?
38:05What'd she lie about?
38:06She lied about what happened in Italy.
38:08What was the lie?
38:09I'm curious.
38:10She said to...
38:12Here you are stuttering. Go ahead.
38:14No, I'm trying to figure you out. Your eyes staring.
38:16Why? You have to figure out what happened.
38:18I'm so shocked by Demi's inability to take accountability.
38:21I'm starting to wonder if there's any truth behind Jen's allegations of what happened in Italy and maybe that's why Demi turned on her.
38:28So I feel like I need to reach out to Marciano to finally get to the truth of what actually happened in Italy with Demi.
38:33You guys are never going to be friends. It's fine.
38:35But like how do we like progress from here?
38:37Because like this fucking sucks.
38:39Well, she's going to like life ruining. That's like completely different.
38:42I wouldn't do that to any single one of you.
38:44Yes.
38:45Life ruining.
38:46Do you know what you've done by calling me out?
38:49Do you know what that did and how it affected my children and Dakota and what that's done to him?
38:53You don't because you're just a selfish bitch.
38:59Oh.
39:00You only brought that information out because you were upset that I told Jessie the truth about what you think about her and her hair.
39:06That's not true.
39:07Yeah, it is.
39:08No, it's not.
39:09I don't want to see you ripped from your kids.
39:10Do you want that to happen?
39:11I don't want to be the one to do that.
39:13Hence why I haven't done that.
39:14You don't know the truth.
39:15It doesn't matter.
39:16But guess who does?
39:17Therapy does.
39:18They all know the fucking truth, okay?
39:19So when you know the full truth, then you can speak on it.
39:22Until then, shut the fuck up.
39:23Well, I just don't, I don't think it's appropriate anyways because we don't have the context of it.
39:27They don't.
39:28She brought it up.
39:29This is someone's family and their kids.
39:30Yes.
39:31And I don't think, I think it's off topic.
39:32And you don't know the full story.
39:33That's a very serious allegation that Demi said to you.
39:36An allegation that you have, you don't know anything about.
39:39Oh, these pants are too tight for this conversation.
39:43Okay.
39:44So if you guys can't co-exist, what's gonna happen?
39:46I mean, she was the one who brought up, I can't be in it if Taylor's in it.
39:49So that, I mean, I'm trying to get that clear, so.
39:51Do you still feel that way?
39:52I don't know if it's worth it for me.
39:58How do you feel like your friendship stand with all of us though?
40:00Because I feel like there has been upset feelings because we're, most of us are not in a bad place.
40:06It's jarring to see how quickly things have been brushed under the rug.
40:09How can you guys be friends with something?
40:11She's disgusting.
40:13She's a disgusting human being.
40:16I don't understand it.
40:17Like, please, someone make sense of it.
40:19Someone make sense of it.
40:21Anyone?
40:22No, because I don't think anyone feels as deeply about it.
40:27Yeah, this is between you two for sure.
40:29For great.
40:30If I was watching someone treat my friend and talk to, knowing the type of person I am and the type of friend I've been to all of you, I would be fighting to the death, defending each and every single one of you.
40:44That's the type of friend I am.
40:45That's the type of friend I am.
40:47I have been so loyal to each of you.
40:50Yeah, so if you feel that way, the door's there.
40:53Mm-hmm.
40:54Am I the only one that cares about true friendship and loyalty?
41:03And I'm alone on an island.
41:04I'm just feeling like all of this is for nothing at this point.
41:08And it's extremely frustrating.
41:10As of now, I'm not feeling comfortable.
41:13And I'm feeling very conflicted.
41:15So, I'm gonna take some time, if you guys don't mind, and just like decide if I want to continue in MomTalk.
41:26Yeah, we don't mind.
41:27I don't mind.
41:28I'm sorry.
41:29It's in space.
41:30Oh my gosh.
41:31As of now, wiping my hands clean.
41:38I'm done with MomTalk.
41:39I can't do it anymore.
41:40Okay.
41:41Bye, guys.
41:43We are done.
41:45How's your throat feeling?
41:46It's all right.
41:47I mean, Demi's a grown-ass woman.
41:49I'm not gonna beg for you to stay.
41:51I am officially back in MomTalk.
41:53I got my big fat gold star that I was wanting.
41:56That was crazy.
41:57I love that Demi was trying to basically get me kicked out of MomTalk.
42:01It completely backfired on her.
42:03It feels good to have everyone support me because MomTalk is a business, but it is a lot more than that.
42:09I do think that there's hope for all of us girls to come together and be a team and to bring light back into it.
42:20Always a pleasure.
42:21That was a lot.
42:24I feel like I need to stay and decompress after.
42:26I know.
42:27And I wish in this group we can just have individual friendships and it doesn't need to be like a loyalty thing.
42:31Well, like, I've done this for you, so like, you have to hate this person because I hate this person.
42:34Yes.
42:35That's so...
42:40Well, you want to be able to tell the truth without them being like, wait a second, I like always stand up for you.
42:44I think, again, what MomTalk was built on is like the empowerment, woman empowerment.
42:48I think it's empowering to go off everyone else's beliefs and their experience and say, you know what?
42:52Actually, I don't believe with you.
42:53Yeah.
42:54And that's fine.
42:55You can stand in your own beliefs and what benefits you.
42:57Like for me and my health with Whitney.
42:58I'm like, sorry.
42:59No, that's a boundary.
43:00Yeah.
43:01And I'll never be the same.
43:07This was really fun.
43:09Are you happy we came over?
43:10No.
43:11In the past, I have been Demi's lap dog, but I feel like I'm kind of in an era where I'm standing up for myself.
43:22And I honestly feel like MomTalk is better off without her.
43:25Now we can finally start to heal.
43:26Well, I appreciate you guys coming over.
43:28That was crazy.
43:30Well, I got some entertainment for the night.
43:32Like I was watching Jerry Springer.
43:41I didn't tell you why I said there's a time and place for everything.
43:48And I said, shut up.
43:54I already got teary on my way over here.
43:56So I'm like, okay.
43:57It's going to be good.
43:58I think it'll be healing.
44:00Well, it's something that I need to do.
44:02Oh, absolutely.
44:03I don't want to do it at all.
44:04I don't want to do this right now.
44:05I know.
44:06I mean, it's been almost 10 years, so you think I would have done it by now.
44:09Yeah.
44:11I've never been to Eric's crash site.
44:13And I think it is really important to me on my healing journey, especially writing this book.
44:17And with all the drama that's in MomTalk, sometimes it's easy to forget what's actually important.
44:22But this all happened.
44:24I said, I want to write a book to help other women so that they don't feel alone like I did when I was going through everything.
44:30It's like I never want to leave things on a bad note with like most anybody.
44:33Well, I get that.
44:34Especially because you have so many, like you have so many regrets too with the things that you said to Eric.
44:40Yeah, exactly.
44:41Maybe you still have a lot of that guilt.
44:42I do.
44:43It's like I have regrets.
44:44I regret what I said, unfortunately.
44:47I was 13 weeks and five days pregnant.
44:51Me and him got into a disagreement, mainly me.
44:55I was upset with him and we were sending texts back and forth.
44:59And one of his texts was unfinished at the end of it.
45:02So I was kind of like waiting for him to respond.
45:04What were you doing when you found out?
45:05Oh God.
45:06Do you remember?
45:07Yeah.
45:08I was at like a Mexican restaurant and I was like scrolling on my phone.
45:11And I saw someone post like, RIP Eric Mack.
45:14And it was like...
45:15Like on Instagram?
45:16On Instagram.
45:17And I was like, what is this?
45:19I remember calling him and just like hoping, just hoping he would answer.
45:42And the worst part of it was just hearing the dial tone and just being like, please God,
45:46like answer the phone.
45:51I called his dad and his dad told me that he passed and went in a car accident in Spanish
45:56Port Canyon.
45:57It was the most traumatic time of my entire life.
46:05I think it's just like triggering.
46:07Well, for sure it's triggering, especially if you've never put yourself in that position.
46:13I know.
46:14Even after all these years, it's not like it's easier.
46:17I think it's really good though, that you're going to see it and hopefully it'll be closure.
46:22I know.
46:23I hope so.
46:24Oh God, I have anxiety.
46:27Should we do a hug before we go out there?
46:29Yeah.
46:30I love you.
46:31I love you.
46:32Oh.
46:33Oh, don't cry already.
46:34You're going to make me cry.
46:35It's okay.
46:36It's okay.
46:37It's okay.
46:38Flowers.
46:39Right.
46:40Oh, don't cry already, you're going to make me cry, it's okay, it's okay, it's okay.
46:53Flowers, crap.
46:59You can get set this marker right here.
47:02Oh, no.
47:07Okay.
47:14Love you.
47:19I guess I will just leave this here then.
47:26Yeah.
47:27I remember getting there for the funeral.
47:31And his parents had to hold me on each arm because I was just a wreck.
47:36I remember telling him that we were having a baby boy and that I was so sorry for all the things that happened before he passed because I said some pretty hurtful things.
47:46Give me love and let it go.
47:58Take my body and my soul.
48:05Macy is opening up about one of the hardest moments in her life.
48:09I feel like it's still really important with all the drama and all the toxic energy going around in MomTalk right now.
48:14We still stand for being there for our friends.
48:17Do you want to say a little prayer?
48:18Sure.
48:19I'll say it for you.
48:20Okay.
48:22It means a lot to me that she's willing to trust me to be that person for her as well.
48:26Our dear Heavenly Father, we're so grateful for this beautiful day to be here to remember Eric.
48:33Please bless Macy and Eric's family that they get peace and know that he is watching over them.
48:38And please bless Hudson that he can feel Eric in his life and know what an amazing young boy he is and how amazing Macy is.
48:46You say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
48:50Why am I going to cry now?
48:54There's a weight that has been lifted off my shoulders.
48:56I think it's something that I've always had to do that I don't think I ever would have done if I didn't push myself to do it.
49:01I've always known from the beginning that Mikayla is always going to have my back and that's the best part of MomTalk.
49:06I'm ready to heal. I just wanna feel something now. I'm ready to heal.
49:19Feel me from the inside out. I just wanna heal.
49:28Oh.
49:45Hey!
49:46How are you?
49:47Wow, miniskirt. You look hot.
49:48I know.
49:49Nice.
49:50How are you, stranger?
49:51How are you doing?
49:52Oh my gosh, you look great.
49:53Good seeing you. How was skiing?
49:54It was fun.
49:55I've never been up here to do your ballet.
49:57Yeah.
49:58That's cool.
49:58Well, I'm glad you asked me to talk.
50:00No, it's so good to see you.
50:01Cool.
50:02Can we go upstairs and talk?
50:02Yeah, totally.
50:03I have some stuff to talk to you about.
50:05I'm scared.
50:06Now that Damia's left MomTalk and Jen is MIA,
50:08I want to finally get to the bottom of what actually happened in Italy.
50:11So I'm going straight to the source to get the truth once and for all.
50:13I know Marciana from the villa, so I reached out to him,
50:15and he agreed to come to Utah to meet with me.
50:19After you.
50:21Can I give you a water?
50:22Yeah, I would love one.
50:23Here you go, darling.
50:24Thank you so much.
50:25You're welcome.
50:25I am going to pour myself tequila, which, before you go dodging me.
50:30It's like pure tequila.
50:31You're not going to put anything in it.
50:33Should I?
50:34I wasn't going to.
50:36Do you want to sit right here?
50:37Yeah.
50:37All right, cool.
50:38Sit across from me.
50:40What else has been going on?
50:42Not much.
50:43Not much?
50:43I just wanted to kind of get your side of the story.
50:47There's been a lot of talk from the girls of, like, what happens in Italy
50:51and just, like, very, like, he said, she said.
50:54And I loved me.
50:56But I think there's been so much talk of, like, the opposite of what she's saying.
51:00So I just honestly just, like, want to know, like, the truth.
51:04What did she say?
51:06Basically, like, when we first showed up to the villa,
51:09she was saying that you started hitting on her right away.
51:12And she's, like, making, like, little, like, comments about, like, her
51:15and, like, how pretty she is and just, like, things like that.
51:17And then progressively just, like, you got more forward, she was saying.
51:23So when I put myself out there, I didn't really know what was going on
51:28because, oh, we have these, like, Mormon swingers.
51:30And it was, like, we were, like, like, what?
51:33Like, I didn't really know what to think.
51:35But this girl, this woman, to me, is really pretty, really gorgeous.
51:40Like, I want to try and entertain this.
51:43But then, like, everything just started to transpire and everything, like,
51:46I think happened really fast.
51:48And I didn't really understand the boundaries.
51:49You felt like she was flirting with you.
51:51I think it was, like, friendly, funny, flirtatious things
51:53that I mistook for not the friendly part.
51:58Like, you were imagining, like, what was happening?
52:01Or, like, what do you mean?
52:02I think I'd be lying if I said that I didn't at least try and kiss her.
52:09I caught feelings for her, for sure, pretty quickly.
52:13I think that was because I was already, like, consumed with the fantasy
52:16that she was open.
52:19If Brett wasn't around, would things be different?
52:23I don't know.
52:25I think, I don't think so.
52:26But, you know, whatever.
52:29What I'm really getting into, to be honest with you,
52:32is, like, it's not even just Demi.
52:34It's a rumor that wasn't a rumor.
52:40With who?
52:41Ben.
52:42I just don't really know how to say this.
52:45God, say it.
52:47Did you hear about the rumor?
52:49With Demi?
52:52With Jesse?
52:54Mm-hmm.
52:54I need to be straight up with y'all about how many DMs I've received.
52:59Oh, Jesse.
53:00Were you really kissing Marciano at TomTom publicly?
53:04Allegedly, it was Jesse from The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives
53:07making out in public with this guy?
53:10If I was, like, dumb enough to do that, I wouldn't do it in public.
53:13That was true?
53:15No.
53:18No.
53:20Wait, are you actually?
53:21No.
53:22One thing led to another.
53:24And you made out with her.
53:25Oh, more than that.
53:27As soon as I saw her, jumps into my arms,
53:30wraps her legs around my waist, and I'm almost like,
53:32I mean, I thought we were cool in, like, the villa,
53:34but then she was extremely forward.
53:36Have you guys still been in contact since then?
53:37Yeah, we have.
53:38And, like, you know, we've tried meeting up or stuff.
53:41Meeting up.
53:41Yeah, it's just been, like, a really,
53:44to continue it?
53:46Yeah.
53:49Holy shit.
53:50Marciano and I are cool, but to be honest,
53:52I don't really know him that well.
53:53Should I believe him, or is he just full of shit?
53:56If he's telling the truth, people's friendships,
53:58reputations, and families could literally fall apart.
54:00This could change everything.
54:04Does Jordan know?
54:05He doesn't know the truth about how extensive it was.
54:08It was not just, like, a one-time hookup thing.
54:14Did you guys fuck?
54:19Oh, fuck.
54:22Marciano.
54:23That's what I said, like,
54:25it's not like this was just some freaking one-night stand.
54:29No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:32No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:32No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:33No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:33No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:34No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:34No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:35No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:36No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:37No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:38No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:39No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:40No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:41No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:42No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
54:43No, it's a full-blown fucking affair.
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