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00:00ah thursday night football another new york team involved here and a double digit underdog are the
00:06new york jets garrett wilson's like yeah you know what tried to come back knee hurts i'm gonna be
00:09out now i don't know who's playing for the new york jets the new england patriots though handling
00:14success monster win against tampa bay on sunday the winning streak continues they come home as
00:20a double digit favorite which currently sits at minus 11 and a half and a low total of 43 and a
00:26half my guess that 43 and a half is not the total for the game it's how many pass yards and the
00:30expectations that justin fields will deliver here double digit favorite joe what's the spread line
00:36here yeah i you know donnie the local headline here was about 10 10 and a half and that's kind of where
00:42it opened and then we started to see some money come in yesterday early money on the patriots
00:49pushing it up to 11 11 and a half uh but it's very hard divisional matchups donnie we've seen
00:55this before the jets i don't know are scoring special teams their offense is revolved around
01:01their special teams now apparently they're they're good for runbacks and kickbacks and everything else
01:06i only see this line and this is going to be interesting don where what is the line in the
01:13sand where this line grows to before the buyback happens i don't think we're there yet i think this
01:19thing continues to rise before we start seeing the buyback which will probably be donnie for
01:2412 13 points before it's all said and done the public is never going to back the jets here
01:30j-e-t-s jets jets jets was it an ugly game in the meadowlands this past weekend yes it was but the jets
01:38did pick up a victory i don't know how they did it their quarterback threw for like three yards in that
01:41game well that's what happens when you are opportunistic on special teams and returning touchdowns
01:46to help your team out we don't know if that's going to happen on thursday night but you know
01:50what we do know aaron glenn likes to talk about his quarterbacks but doesn't really like it and
01:55tries to play the game here's aaron glenn other than that oh i would say this please don't ask me
01:59anything about the quarterbacks you know i'm not going to tell you and i don't want to i don't
02:02want to waste my time when it comes to that when it comes to who's uh who's starting so um any other
02:07questions aaron after watching the tape uh how would you evaluate the way justin played yesterday
02:11you know what collectively um as an offense i think we did some good things uh the thing is
02:17when you get two returns like that on special teams the offense doesn't have a good amount of plays
02:24um especially in the passing game we only threw 11 pass i think he was six of 11
02:28um obviously there's some things that we got to clean up there uh but there are also some good
02:32things that he did i know he threw the one pick i would say this i was happy that he tried to force
02:37the ball get the ball downfield in that situation i thought cleveland did a hell of a job in that
02:41coverage today they ran this inverted two where the safety would end up being a middle runner
02:45um and i thought they did a good job with that look when your quarterback is six from 11 there's
02:51an issue there it's easy for us to say like what you can and can't talk about there's no competitive
02:55advantage for him saying i'm not going to say tyrod for thursday or justin fields just admit it and
03:00move on at this point or maybe the broader spectrum is jose finally have the avenue to say
03:05yeah justin fields is going to start he's terrible we can't say we're tanking but just having
03:10justin fields out there means we're tanking or at least trying to joe donna if by if by week 11
03:19uh you're starting off the presser by telling us that don't ask me about the quarterback
03:24well there's no reason to because you simply don't have a quarterback then that's the issue
03:29if we're not talking about the most important position on the field that means you don't have
03:34one so that means it doesn't matter who you choose one way or the other no defense is going to be like
03:39oh my god we're gonna have to stay up extra hours now trying to prep for two quarters you don't have
03:44a quarterback on the jets who are we kidding here donnie and gary wilson wasn't traded at the
03:49deadline he's now injured again he should not see the field the rest of the way because there's no
03:53reason to ruin your young franchise wide receiver three to four weeks with a knee sprain i'm gonna read
03:58into that as four to eight weeks as what it should be he should not play again for the jets this season
04:03but the jets do make stupid decisions have terrible turf they'll probably bring him back in late
04:07december on that cold turf i'll wait for it donnie but you know what they're not the giants
04:14there you go see because if it was dave all day he'd be playing as a matter of fact he'd be yelling
04:22at the doctors in the tent to get him back in there exactly do you see what happened the neighbors at
04:27home playing for the new york giants don't have that happen to gary wilson just sit him out lose
04:31football games the jets only want you to lose now the fans so you can get higher draft picks build that
04:36franchise up and we'll see if it plays out that way how about the commanders they're a sinking ship
04:40this year particularly on defense their head coach is a defensive coordinator their head coach led us
04:45to believe that he's not paying attention to defense because you know what now i'm going to start calling
04:49defensive calls hey coach are you actually playing cornerback or linebacker that ain't going to make any
04:54difference no no i'm glad it took him nine games to figure out that maybe he didn't like what he was
05:01seeing from one of the worst defenses in the nfl uh bar none and oh by the way one of your best
05:07defensive linemen is suspended now because he took a shot with a guy with a helmet on it like i
05:12just absolutely hilarious way to go dan quinn spot on my man let's see what two has got from in the
05:18bank here a two and a half point favorite for miami at home look at that the engine is revving up there
05:23on south beach and look at that total 47 and a half now we do see a tbd who's going to be the quarterback
05:28for washington if daniels gets back in there we'll find out but also daniels has the bad l but just
05:34leave the guy out same thing with the jets man just lose washington that's your best case scenario
05:39how about this get checked people after a random drug test how crazy is that alex singleton here had
05:46found testicular cancerous tumor that they removed the day after the then broncos defeated the raiders
05:52on thursday night football he should be coming back boy that's a luck of the draw right there huh
05:56all right listen rather be lucky than uh than good there uh donnie but that's uh often how it works
06:03like oh look at this uh look at well we might as well take care of this why we're here kind of
06:08absolutely crazy how things happen like that yeah you go into the hospital hey got a high fever like
06:13oh no you got appendicitis we're glad i'm here we'll take care of that situation at this point so
06:17that's just the luck of the draw and good stuff if he can come back to one of the better defenses
06:21and the better records in football for those denver broncos the nfc playoffs the afc playoffs are
06:27usually fantastic you have the superstars that make their way into the playoffs the fight to win the
06:32afc slash nfc and the right to go to the super bowl if we take a quick snapshot here of the nfc and
06:37the top teams in it here the philadelphia eagles are the odds favorite right now at a plus 330 price
06:42the rams at a plus 340 the lions at a plus 430 the seahawks at a five to one then the green bay
06:48packers and the tampa bay buccaneers really good teams involved there but i'm going to start with
06:52this question first joe the philadelphia eagles at 72 if the season ended right now would be the
06:57number one overall seed they have beaten the los angeles rams and they will play the detroit lions
07:02next week now sometimes you want to wait just to see because if the eagles do pick up a victory
07:06that would be massive if they knock off the lions the vikings and the packers one of the toughest
07:12divisions in football was still a game against the chicago bears which i think is the black friday
07:16game in philadelphia that will be something to crow about but i'm going to wait till next week
07:21till crowning the philadelphia eagles the nfc champions but do you agree of how these odds
07:25fall with the eagles rams lions and seahawks yeah i mean for the most part yes and i think we'll have
07:31a pretty good idea this week with the rams and the seahawks uh getting ready to do battle so i think
07:36we'll uh we'll have a pretty good indication of where those two teams match up against one another
07:41but the eagles listen has it been pretty no has it been consistent no but that really doesn't matter
07:50at the end of the day donny because we still have uh you know there's 18 weeks in the season then you
07:55got the postseason and there's still plenty of time and we've seen the eagles do this before
07:59you know they they start slow they figure it out it's not for a lack of talent they plug the holes
08:06on the defense it's a championship defense now now they just gotta get a little more consistent in
08:12the offense and yes they're champs until somebody beats them donny so as far as i'm concerned they
08:17should be the rightful favorite here yep we'll see as it moves forward here and also almost a
08:23devastating injury you saw by the way the the green bay packers lost their center to a broken leg
08:28that's a massive injury for them heading down the stretch the philadelphia eagles lost lane
08:32johnson that game looked like a knee or an ankle injury he actually returned on the final drive so
08:36even if let's just say he sits out this week you lose lane johnson for the season those are things
08:41that will keep you from winning an nfc championship or a super bowl those type of important players
08:45sometimes it's just a little bit lucky than good at that point here but let's flip it over to the
08:49new york giants they hit the spotlight yesterday why because brian dable is out as head coach of the
08:54giants yesterday i was on newswire when that news broke with craig mish we had some fun to talk about it in
08:59real time what did you think joe when that came down the timeline you saw brian dable was out as
09:04the giants head coach uh not shocking i mean we showed his press conference yesterday right uh donny
09:12where uh on sunday the way i mean he looked like it just defeated and you knew it i mean not that he
09:18lost again he's lost now four games this year donny in which he has had the lead his team has had the
09:26lead late in the fourth quarter where he had a uh an over 95 chance to actually win the game and he
09:34didn't win one of those games not to mention that again you you didn't protect the future of your
09:41organization your franchise quarterback in any way shape or form you know you gotta go and the
09:47mares didn't want to fire him donny the time to fire him everyone should have been after the bronco
09:53debacle but they didn't they did not want to if he wins one of those four games donny where they
09:59have the lead late in the fourth he's still the coach today he's still the coach and you take a
10:04look too like the downfall of the giants and this is coming from a guy that i was live right here a
10:09couple months ago in the early line going like oh my goodness like espn espn bet just hung a three
10:14and a half on the giants don't care how bad they are you should be able to stumble in the four
10:17victories they have a couple wins joe but quite frankly they should have way more wins than this
10:22look at the losses the giants suffered up three points there with 14 seconds to go against the
10:26cowboys end up losing that game i believe in overtime then you take a look at a horrible saints
10:31team you're on the road with a 14 to 3 lead and you can't come away with that win then you have the
10:36game where the denver broncos didn't even score a point through the first three quarters and you had
10:40a multi-touchdown lead you let that one get away and then last week 20 to 10 final excuse me 20 to 10
10:46you're up late in the fourth quarter against an inept offense for the bears and you lose that game too
10:51so even if you look and say we're a bad football team at least two of those four games should have
10:55been wins and we talked about it yesterday saying how do you line up with brian dable yes it is on
11:00the players a lot but that's a pattern and that's a head coaching pattern where you have the lead and
11:04you can't just coach these guys to the finish line joe no and for whatever reason but i mean we we've
11:11talked about it right dysfunction uh leadership not working he has been under the gun i mean this is a guy
11:18that inherited dan you know daniel jones and not a whole heck of a lot else but somehow managed to
11:24get him to the playoffs and win a game manages to win coach of the year a couple of years ago and from
11:29that point on it's been absolutely it looks like he looks like a man that the pressure of the new york
11:35media market and having to win is absolutely destroyed and i thought by getting you know having
11:42jackson dart now is the future that the mara family and the giants organization would have
11:48back and said listen you're our guy to help us you know bring this kid along and be our franchise
11:53quarterback and instead uh it all collapsed and it collapsed in a hurry too donnie absolutely crazy
12:00yeah it is and also understand this like you look at the giants like they had joe judge and i thought he
12:05was one of the worst hires in the history of professional football like high school harry one of the
12:09stupidest inductory press conferences i've ever seen and i was laughing at the giants and the only
12:13thing i say to myself was like okay i want washington to be bad i want dallas to be bad i want the giants
12:18to be bad because i'm an eagle fan when they hired brian dable like i think they got this one right i
12:22really do first year it looks like they're on the way up they hitched their wagon to daniel jones
12:26obviously couldn't coach daniel jones and the way they went all the way down and dable ends up fired
12:31but how about this like brian dable was the reason why josh allen had that turnaround he was sensational in
12:37buffalo so you would think hey fired in new york struggling buffalo bills offense let's come on
12:42back but bill's head coach sean mcdermott says adding brian dable to their offensive staff is not
12:46under consideration right now they're still going to keep it up there with brady and see what happens
12:51now the bills should be able to turn it around but dable that offense was high flying when he was there
12:57yeah but they didn't get along donnie if you recall uh at the end there with mcdermott and dable they
13:03were they were butting heads a lot here and i think a lot of that had to do with dable uh you
13:09know the issues back then when dable was running the offense the offense was great the defense had
13:14big issues uh and mcdermott's a defensive guy here and dable knew he was the hot commodity so
13:20it didn't exactly end great uh when dable left there and here's the giants needing wins with everybody
13:28injured packers lions patriots bye week commanders may be there vikings raiders may be there and the
13:36dallas cowboys i should already have four wins on my giants ticket damn you new york giants what else
13:42would i expect it's the new york stinking giants here oh yes it's week 11 in the nfl oh time does
13:49fly but we are having fun take a look at some of these early lines here early week and some
13:54interesting matchups and one that's going to take place on sunday joe 1 p.m 455 456 on the
14:00rotation that's tampa bay and buffalo how about that tampa bay last week joe at home what happened
14:05to them lost to the new england patriots the buffalo bills also were in the state of florida last weekend
14:10taking on the miami dolphins a loss for them two teams looking to bounce back to try to stay
14:16in the race for division championships here this line opened up at six and a half as a favorite towards
14:22buffalo it's actually down to five and a half most people's first inclination joe would be what
14:27look at this tampa bay getting that many points buffalo look terrible and six out of every 10
14:33tickets here coming in on the tampa bay buccaneers do you agree that this line is correct here and
14:39what's your early look for a tuesday when this game's on a sunday well here's what you need to look
14:46at donnie and you need to monitor it all week long uh because we're getting to that time of year
14:52where you better know what's happening in orchard park from a weather perspective here because in the
14:58it could change immediately it could be that wind coming off the lake donnie it could be snow it could
15:05be a whole lot of things so keep an eye on the forecast for orchard park this time of year but
15:12i mean listen the look ahead line was as high as the bill six and a half and you're seeing what's
15:17going on here uh now that buffalo loss was atrocious you've got also in tampa bay you've got a quarterback
15:25uh there that's calling out his uh you know calling out his team and saying we're not practicing right so
15:31a lot of things uh going in the wrong direction for both these teams but if i had to pick i would say
15:37being at home yeah i would advantage buffalo in this spot that's how i would look at it
15:44taking a look at the weather conditions here and again we're still a couple days out of course 16
15:49plus mile an hour winds there with a chance of rain and drizzle in the forecast throughout that
15:54game so as always the weather reports do change week to week but joe is right that lake effect snow
15:58that lake effect wind that blows off there not until we get to that big tin can toaster oven that they
16:04built where we're going to be able to dine down those you know windy conditions that's not going
16:08to happen at this point right now but certainly something to keep an eye on at that point seattle
16:12taking on los angeles and that's the rams here i love this game it's a four or five start which is
16:18crazy how is this game not 425 national at this point darnell take it on stafford look at this price
16:24point the rams are at home only two and a half point favorites here despite 75 of the tickets
16:29coming in on seattle in a total of 48 and a half great game this could go a long way to decide who
16:37wins the nfc west yeah and both teams are off division rivalry games here and there's not a lot
16:44of travel involved for either so to me this is equal footing for both these teams here the betting
16:51markets donnie have actually loved the rams this season they've got a ton of love uh but the seahawks
16:58and they're you know the the metrics behind them and all the analytics telling us that yeah this is
17:04a this is a championship defense and the offense is capable of beating uh anybody i think this is
17:11going to be interesting here to look at was two and a half we're going to look at two and a half donnie
17:16and i don't know that it gets to three one way or the other in fact i don't know that to me i think
17:22the books are going to get equal money on both sides for this game well i gotta tell you like i look at
17:27this game and i love the matchup because the rams are really good and so is seattle but sometimes i
17:32look and say well i think the rams are better than seattle but yet look at the respect that seattle is
17:36getting for a road game only getting two and a half points as opposed to three and a half or four i think
17:41that stands out a lot but also understand this when you're looking at seattle and i'm not questioning
17:46the way they're beating teams because they look really impressive donald's been great you made some
17:50great trades at the deadline they're a fun team to watch but also where is that signature win i
17:55need here are you going to get it this weekend or is it oh rams by a touchdown yeah seattle's a nice
17:59story but just not ready for those major games that you play out looking at this game like is this a
18:04game where this could be like seattle's breakout party to say no no no no we're not going to hang
18:10around we actually think we're the best team in the nfc and their record would prove that
18:14and they have been tremendous on the road donnie uh under mcdonald's here over the last couple of
18:22seasons they've been an atm machine not only winning but covering games on the road this is
18:28this feels bigger between these two teams and it's not like the rams have some sort of slouchy defense
18:34too uh this is a young group that showed their teeth last year uh and almost beat your eagles by the way
18:42in the postseason and now they're a little bit older a little bit wiser a little more experience
18:46um this is going to be this is going to feel like a playoff game donnie and i think it's going to look
18:53a lot like a playoff game how about another playoff game here kansas city and denver look at that side
18:59mahomes minus three and a half as a favorite on the road against the denver broncos this is one of
19:04those and it's not like a last stand effort for kansas city if they lose they're still going to be in
19:08the playoff picture but they would be 500 at that point and denver will win this division which
19:14makes that path to an afc championship or super bowl that much tougher to get to do you agree
19:19right now that kansas city should be the favorite in this game over the denver broncos yes and i'll
19:25tell you i'll give you a comparison donnie the broncos to me are the packers of the afc elite defense
19:33and the offense is all over the map can't figure out which one of them is going to show up when
19:38and that's exactly what we saw last night with green bay and i think uh you are absolutely going
19:44to get a similar performance here from the broncos it's advantage offense chiefs uh whose defense has
19:52also been pretty good uh can't trust the offense of the broncos i can trust uh what mahomes and the
19:58chiefs are doing i think they should be the favorite in this one let me ask you a question on this too
20:03because that line opened up at three and a half i do see a four at bet 365 if we're looking
20:08optimistically once we get down to kickoff on sunday barring any major injuries is this a three
20:14or is this going to stay above a three as a favorite towards kansas city because that would
20:18be really telling to me like that's a kansas city line well you saw it last week donnie with the
20:24broncos at houston houston was getting all the money from the pros it houston was the one that was
20:29supposed to win that game even with a backup quarterback so the pros are looking to fade the
20:35broncos right now and the chiefs you know they're going to get the public money and i think if this
20:40thing does not get back to three anytime soon i think that's exactly where it stays speaking about
20:46three here how about the chargers coming east to take on the jacksonville jaguars jaguars oh they beat
20:51houston easily no they didn't did you watch the fourth quarter up 19 points got dropped on their head
20:55with 26 out 26 unanswered points scored and away you go with the victory and one of the worst beats
21:01you had if you had the jags at plus one and a half points this week though the chargers on the road
21:06their favorite a lot of outlets joe sitting at a three-point favorite and a low total of 43 and a
21:11half jacksonville looking to bounce back a great win for the chargers but i still get nervous with
21:15the charges with that offensive line but boy oh boy the public can't get enough of the charges right
21:20now roughly 65 of the tickets coming in on those chargers i i don't i the chargers as a road
21:30favorite uh all the way on the other side i'm i think this line is going to go back and forth and
21:36it would not shock me donnie if uh this is a little bit closer to maybe minus uh one maybe even a pick
21:43them by the time the game kicks off yeah take a look here at the conference winners for the afc as we
21:49move forward it's still astounding we're talking about nba style handicapping right now in the nfl
21:55which is something we don't see all that much the chiefs right now if the season ended today would
22:00not be in the playoffs but yet they are favorites at plus 290 to win the afc and it's not like oh plus
22:06300 plus 310 right behind them no the bills are a plus 450 behind them the respect continues to build
22:12up for the chiefs and granted if they go out and beat denver there's a pathway for them to win
22:16their division and get a home playoff game i get that if they lose to the denver broncos they got
22:22to drop down to five or six i don't care but they're heavy favorites right now to win the conference at
22:27five and four it's kind of crazy right but i think this is the time of year and we always say november
22:34and december is what makes legit contenders uh donnie and if kansas city is legit they will do what
22:41they have well been doing for a very very long time here is they will uh they will drop this
22:46thing into another gear and they will begin to separate themselves from everybody else
22:50buffalo bills plus 450 big time game this week against the buccaneers they'll have them at home
22:55but also the kansas city chiefs again going to take on the denver broncos on the road as a favorite
22:59the top two teams in the odds market big games this weekend a lot of fun to be had but before we do get
23:05to the nba here the new england patriots sit atop the afc east at eight and two the buffalo bills are
23:11six and three you talk about two big games in the state of florida and you're saying from a patriots
23:16fan oh man bill's gonna get that easy victory oh we got a tough one we're not even the favorites
23:20against tampa bay what happens the patriots get that victory the buffalo bills lose it is legit
23:26that the patriots could be the top seed in the afc and more importantly knock off the buffalo bills for
23:32supremacy in the afc east well so a couple things there you mentioned me still being alive and
23:37survivor sometimes it's just dumb luck guys because with the bills at the dolphins this week
23:42i would have sprinted not walked to the window sprinted to the window to use buffalo in miami
23:50thing was i had already used the bills so the option was taken out of my hands and thank goodness it was
23:55because of obviously what went down at south beach it has been a weird year for buffalo a weird year for
24:00football certainly a strange year within that division i'm not completely shocked that we're
24:06talking about a patriots team that is as successful as it's been simply because of the schedule i said
24:13going into the year on paper if this team gets the buy-in the culture all of that mike vrabel the play
24:21and i don't mean mvp level even though he's the odds-on favorite right now and ranary's already bought
24:26his ticket from drake may you know if you get respectable play there then you can just destroy
24:33a a laundry list of bad teams that are in front of you win 9 10 games and be a wild card team but this
24:40team has also been beating some good teams you know there there's a an alternate universe fellas
24:45where the patriots are undefeated this year think about it they're eight and two they gave away the
24:51pittsburgh game they lost by a touchdown while turning the ball over five times including twice
24:56inside the five yard line in the red zone that absolutely should have been a win the only other
25:03loss was all the way back in week one against the raiders when you know clearly they just you know
25:07weren't quite ready yet so fine eight and two you're two games ahead of the bills in the win column
25:12and the schedule going forward really on the heels of of upsetting the bucks i know it wasn't a
25:19massive upset but they were underdogs that was a game a lot of people said okay here's a litmus test
25:24you know they may lose this game they go out they win that game you only have two games in front of
25:28you now the whole rest of the way that on paper are difficult the rematch with the bills in foxborough
25:34and of course taking on the ravens it you know with baltimore just as we sit here now healthy
25:40motivated trying to reclaim that division at the very least get back into the playoff race and
25:45you know i think those are two very losable games for new england and we'll see about cincinnati
25:50depending on how early joe burrow actually does return but you got the jets twice the giants the
25:55dolphins again i mean there's a scenario where week 18 at home against miami is arrest your starters day
26:04because it doesn't mean anything and you've already got not only the division wrapped up but the top seed
26:08in the afc depends on the broncos depends on the colts and if anyone catches fire obviously but yeah
26:14it's a lot of people right now day to day including i'm sure yourselves are trying to make
26:19sense of it it's strange the patriots are you know certainly you know they're playing well they're
26:24also beneficiaries of their schedule but it's we we're at a point people have been resistant but
26:31we're at a point now as we sit here in in mid-november where you have to take the patriots seriously as
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