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This special report analyses the busting of a 'white-collar' terror module involving educated doctors with links to Jaish-e-Mohammed and overground worker networks in Jammu & Kashmir. The panel, featuring Lt. Gen. (Retd.) Syed Atta Hasnain, Dr. Tara Kartha of the Centre for Land Warfare Studies, former Intelligence Bureau Special Director Yashodhan Azad, former J&K DGP S.P. Vaid, and Dr. Zeenat Shaukat Ali of the Wisdom Foundation, discusses the grave threat of radicalisation among professionals. Lt. Gen. (Retd.) Syed Atta Hasnain states, 'What you must remember in this, Gaurav, is that you are releasing the tip of the iceberg'.
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00:00Joining me on this India first special broadcast is left-in-channel Sayyad Atta Hasnain.
00:04General Hasnain commanded the Kashmir Corps and he knows the minds of the people.
00:11Dr. Tara Karthas, former director at the National Security Council Secretariat.
00:15Yashavardhan Azad is former special director of India's Intelligence Bureau.
00:20Shishpal Vaid, SP Vaid is former director general of Jammu and Kashmir Police.
00:24And Zeenat Shokatali is the founder, director general of an organization that strives for peace and harmony.
00:34I want to bring in General Hasnain.
00:36General Hasnain, your reading of this entire episode and the arrest of so many doctors.
00:42Dr. Adil, Dr. Muzammil, Dr. Umar Mohamed apparently killed.
00:46Dr. Shahida Shaheen, Dr. Parvez Ansari absconding.
00:50Dr. Sajjad Ahmed taken into custody.
00:53Thank you, Gaurav.
00:54And let me start by firstly expressing my deep regret for the loss of Indian lives.
01:00And that's something we always regret whenever an incident of this kind takes place.
01:05Having said that, I've been following your complete assessment and that of Ashraf Vani from Kashmir.
01:12I'm completely with you.
01:13What you must remember in this, Gaurav, is that you are really seeing the tip of the iceberg.
01:19What, because this kind of a thing is essentially linked to overground worker networks in Jammu and Kashmir.
01:29That's where you may have killed 4,000 terrorists, as we are saying, but you have not been able to eliminate those networks.
01:38It's very, very difficult neutralizing them, and from time to time, they keep resurfacing.
01:44Now, these elements that you are looking at today at the moment are all an extension of those networks into the rest of India.
01:52And we are very fortunate that our intelligence agencies, the Jammu and Kashmir police, along with the other two states, have been able to get to the bottom of this right in the beginning.
02:03Last 15 days, they have been working on this, and they have been able to neutralize this module to a very large extent.
02:10I'm sure as time goes along, we'll be able to do it completely.
02:14But I think a lot of accusations and allegations are being made about an intelligence failure and things like that.
02:21Let me tell people who are alleging that, that no, 1% case where you fail, you will invariably have an incident of this kind.
02:29But remember that 99% of the cases, we have succeeded always.
02:34India has been kept safe for the last 15 years from these kind of incidents.
02:39All our urban areas, all our metropolises have been safe, except maybe in Jammu and Kashmir, where a proxy war was on all these days.
02:47So I have no doubt about the professionalism of India's intelligence agencies and police forces, and they will deliver as we come along.
02:53Okay, let me, since you raised the point of intelligence, alleged intelligence failure by some, let me bring in Yashu Vardhan Azad, former special director of the Intelligence Bureau.
03:04Mr. Azad, when you look at this entire operation, the arrests, the recoveries, the chaps who are still absconding, and the alleged suicide attack.
03:14Do you look at it as a success of our intelligence agencies and investigating agencies and police in preventing a major disaster, or do you look at it as failure as some do?
03:26No, certainly, I mean, you know, every time a terrorist act takes place to blame the intelligence agencies and to blame the security forces is certainly not wise.
03:38Imagine the kind of mass killing or disaster which has been prevented.
03:43You look at that module, that module was absolutely ripe with 2,900 kgs of explosives.
03:51You remember in Oklahoma, there were only two tons of explosives, and what a loss it created.
03:57And imagine if this could have been activated, then what would have happened?
04:02So imagine that for us.
04:04Mr. Azad, you've raised a very pertinent point.
04:06I want you to elaborate on this.
04:072,900 kgs of ammonium nitrate fuel oil.
04:10What could this have done, sir?
04:12I mean, this, the idea was definitely to create terror in the minds of people.
04:19You remember the kind of blasts which are taking place in Delhi.
04:22Delhi was safe for 15 years.
04:24Remember the kind of blasts which are taking place in Sarojini Nagar, Lajpat Nagar, and all those areas.
04:30I've covered all of those.
04:31I've covered all of those on ground.
04:33That's why I'm telling you.
04:35So you can imagine with this, the recce which was done of RSS headquarters, the places which were seen.
04:42Suppose this car, which was supposed to, I don't know whether it was supposed to detonate there, or it may have, you know, rammed into any building.
04:50Remember, it was a JNK car, which attacked the JNK building in October 1, 2001.
04:59So if you look at all this, and the mass devastation which we have escaped, we should thank.
05:05Of course, in this particular case, the intelligence agencies and the security agencies are still finding out whether it was only one person in that car or three.
05:17If there's only one, then obviously it was a suicide attack or whatever you can call it.
05:22If there were three people, then it happened by accident.
05:25But nevertheless, if you look at the damage, the purpose is done.
05:29The aim is successful, killing 13 people and 26 injured.
05:35So I would say it's a sensational act.
05:38But the investigative agencies are absolutely on the right track.
05:43And I'm sure there'll be more and more linkages coming out.
05:46As you said, the story is not over.
05:49So far, we have three states.
05:51How many he has been able to radicalize is something we really need to know.
05:56And remember one thing, radicalization of the educated has not started now.
06:00The ISIS was attempting it through the Internet a long time back.
06:04And you remember the educated people from Kerala who had gone to the ISIS background.
06:09And many of them ran back.
06:11Many of them ran back.
06:12Some got killed.
06:13And with that, we got to know during the interrogation as to how the educators were being trapped.
06:19Before I bring in Dr. Tara Kartha and Zeenat Shaukatali, I want to quickly bring in Mr. Vaidh as former Director General of Jammu and Kashmir Police.
06:26These are not illiterate young Muslim boys who can be indoctrinated.
06:32They're educated doctors.
06:33They're actually the cream of the Kashmiri society.
06:36If they're making it to GMC Srinagar, if they're making it to top medical colleges,
06:40if they're becoming doctors, it would mean that they have their mental faculties.
06:45And yet, if a paramedic can indoctrinate them, sir, it is very, very alarming.
06:51They study from the taxpayers' money.
06:54It is your money and mine that pays for their education.
06:57And then they ultimately come and kill us.
06:59Good evening, Gaurab.
07:02Good evening to all my co-panelists and your viewers.
07:08See, Gaurab, all of us who have worked in Kashmir Valley know the ultimate dream of Kashmiri young boys and girls is to become doctor.
07:18And having become doctors, having a secured job, getting radicalized this way, it's not normal madrasa-educated young boys.
07:32They are highly educated, scientific mind, rational mind.
07:36And after that, if you can radicalize them to the extent of killing their own countrymen, working against the country,
07:46and even to the extent of becoming a suicide bomber, what you saw yesterday, what Umar Mohamed did.
07:56So you can imagine the kind of radicalization that has taken place.
08:04We all know South Kashmir has been the hotbed of radicalization, whether it is Chopayam, Pulwama, Kulgam, Anantanag,
08:17and all this is tracing back to that area.
08:20In fact, when I was police chief, South Kashmir was the biggest headache post-Burhan Mani.
08:29And we only know how we brought that situation back to normal.
08:34So, see, the worrying part is it has linkages from across the border, which investigators will very soon find.
08:46It is not a simple, isolated module.
08:52Let me tell you, it's a very deep-rooted, well-planned, and well-rehearsed doctor module, terror module.
09:06I don't know how many such modules are there in other parts of the country.
09:10Absolutely, that's the threat, that's the big threat, Dr. Tara Kartha.
09:15How many other such modules still exist?
09:18How many doctors who are actually treating us by day are plotting to kill us by night?
09:23Like that doctor in Hyderabad who's been arrested for making that ricin chemical for that toxin, for that attack on us.
09:30I mean, these guys are doctors' best education that money can offer in India.
09:35They have it, they have jobs, and yet they're plotting to kill us.
09:38Yes, and this is when most of us in various parts of the state, you pay crores to get a medical seat.
09:45And then you do something like this.
09:47But I would agree with what the previous, the earlier speaker was saying.
09:52These, this kind of people are not new.
09:55I mean, it is still very dismaying.
09:57And this module, by the way, I think it's going to go much further than what we've seen as of now.
10:04I'm so glad.
10:05What I really, really appreciate in this operation is that all the agencies are working together.
10:10It's been across the board.
10:12People from Delhi, Jammu, everywhere, everyone is working together.
10:16That's how we've been seeing this.
10:17But I just want to take you back to this.
10:21You know, there was this, March 25.
10:23There was this whole Pakistani gang arrested in Spain and Italy, involved in indoctrination,
10:30a woman involved in getting other women, you know, into this kind of a journey.
10:35All of them educated.
10:37This is not something new for Pakistan.
10:39You had that earlier.
10:41I mean, that was blinding.
10:42And a couple in San Francisco, extremely highly educated, from an extremely good family,
10:49who went and shot 14 people.
10:50That lady had a baby.
10:53So this is, you know, this kind of, for us, we tend to think that the religious zealots
10:59are, you know, wild-eyed and, you know, sort of from poor backgrounds.
11:02I don't actually see that across either in Al-Qaeda or in Islamic State.
11:09It is not the poor and hungry who are doing this.
11:12They are too, you know, bogged down in their own troubles.
11:15It is the middle class who is getting into this ring.
11:18You know, my worry is, ma'am, you are absolutely right.
11:22Dr. Zeenat Shokatili, my worry is that these are people who are amongst us.
11:27They could be treating you and I.
11:29They could be treating your child and mine, your parents and mine.
11:32And they could be secretly plotting to kill them like that doctor from Hyderabad who was making,
11:39who was putting together chemicals to put that, the rhizan toxin.
11:43You know, this is very, very worrisome.
11:45How do these elements get indoctrinated despite having the best that the Indian society can offer?
11:50Thank you, Gaurav, for inviting me to this program.
11:55The first thing I would like to say that I totally condemn this act of barbarism
12:01and denounce people of this kind who take the name of Jaishya Muhammad,
12:08that is related to Muhammad, who taught you peace, may peace be upon him,
12:11and you use the name of religion to destroy and to kill people.
12:15I think they are highly condemnable.
12:18And I think that as a Muslim, I would like to say that they should be put out of the pale of Islam
12:25because I will quote to you verses and I will quote to you the prophets' traditions that say this.
12:31But before I get into that, I would like to say that, you know, this entire, you know, shocking,
12:37shocking, you know, I think orchestrated by educated, arming, financing, perpetrating, radicalizing.
12:49Imagine radicalizing people, doctors who are supposed to be life saviors.
12:56You go to a doctor when you're sick and you want to get cured.
13:00Do doctors do this kind of thing?
13:01It's a shame.
13:02And I completely agree with the Prime Minister and I'm glad that he has said this,
13:07that they have to be brought to books immediately and they perpetrate it after due investigations,
13:14must be given the highest, strongest kind of punishment or be hung in public.
13:19And these kind of academics, you know, who have chosen this sinister path to terrorism,
13:26have to be caught.
13:27And I think it is time, you know, I have a few suggestions, you know, Gaurav.
13:34I hope I'm not overstepping my time.
13:37But I would just like to say that, you know, there has to be, we have to become much more proactive
13:42because everything is becoming extremely unsafe.
13:46You know, I could be walking on this.
13:47You know, my bigger question, ma'am, you're absolutely right.
13:49What were other doctors at the Adolfala, you know, organization in Fareedabad doing, for example?
13:55Would they not have known what's happening in their midst?
13:58General Hasnain and Mr. Vaid and, you know, Mr. Yashavardhan Hazad,
14:03you've dealt with these things all your lives, all your careers.
14:06And I want to understand from you, could they have operated in a cocoon?
14:11Would their neighbors not have known?
14:12Would others not have known what they are up to?
14:15Or is there an enabling ecosystem?
14:17Is this what these elements are doing in our midst?
14:24Because that would be very worrisome, again, subject to due process of law.
14:29You know, in India, fortunately, we don't hang people in public, madam.
14:31But, you know, Ms. Zeenat Shoghatari, but I would want due process of law to be followed
14:36and strictest possible action if that dettors.
14:39General Hasnain, one, how many more would people have known
14:43the kind of dangers that we still face, General Hasnain?
14:46See, Gaurav, I'm sure Vaidh Shah will bear me out completely.
14:53The business of overground workers in Jammu and Kashmir
14:57is far more serious than what we allude to normally.
15:02The networks are huge.
15:04And mostly, we get satisfied with the elimination of a large number of hardcore terrorists.
15:11Hardcore terrorists are a menace, no doubt.
15:14They are a major threat to us.
15:15But it is the overground worker networks which are far greater to my mind.
15:20Because they are the ones who spread this into society.
15:23And you are asked to your question whether people know about their existence or not very much.
15:29Many times it happens that these networks are so large,
15:32anyone in society generally knows about them.
15:35The whole concept of hideouts in Jammu and Kashmir, for example.
15:38Could a hideout in a house be created without the neighbourhood coming to know about it?
15:43That's a very, very usual thing.
15:45The other worrisome thing, Gaurav, is the fact that we have had about five suicide bombings
15:52in Kashmir in the last 36 years.
15:55Not more.
15:56Only about four, five.
15:57Five of them, in fact.
15:58Now suddenly to think of such a huge quantum of explosive and that too in Delhi,
16:04being transported from one place to the other,
16:07if there were three such bombers inside this car,
16:10probably their whole intention would have been to look for three places where to place IEDs
16:15or perhaps to even blast cars.
16:17So, this culture is a very, very dangerous thing.
16:21It's not happened in India too often.
16:23It's happened in Pakistan, Afghanistan.
16:25It's happened in Iraq to a great extent.
16:28India mercifully has been free of this.
16:30And this is something we need to take stock of
16:33and go after these overground worker networks in a greater way.
16:36Sir, I completely agree with you.
16:39Mr. Ved, how difficult is it to go after overground workers,
16:43especially in Kashmir?
16:44I would imagine in the rest of the country,
16:46it would be relatively easier.
16:48I at least hope and pray so,
16:50that intelligence agencies and police are able to go after them.
16:53And based on evidence that the police are able to gather,
16:56there would be time-bound action
16:57and prosecution and punishment
17:00on the basis of evidence through courts of law, sir.
17:03Mr. Ved, how difficult is it in JNK?
17:07Gaurab, when a society gets radicalized
17:10and all its beings get affected,
17:12it is the family, it is the schools,
17:16the general atmosphere
17:17where these young boys pick up radical elements.
17:22And it's a very, very serious threat.
17:25And I agree with General Hasnan,
17:27a lot needs to be done to check radicalization.
17:31Not only in Kashmir Valley,
17:33it is a challenge for all of us
17:35in other parts of the country today,
17:38whether it is Kerala,
17:39whether it is West Bengal,
17:41and many other parts of the country.
17:42I don't want to name all of them.
17:45And today,
17:46you're seeing what's happening
17:48in the whole Europe and America,
17:51where also all the...
17:53some of these countries have taken huge steps
17:57to counter radicalization.
17:59I think we have yet to take many, many steps to...
18:04Oh, absolutely.
18:04The time of being polite and politically correct,
18:07you know,
18:08evidence-based prosecution,
18:10Mr. Azad,
18:11isn't that the need of the hour?
18:13Before I bring in Dr. Tara Kartha,
18:15I want to understand from you,
18:17rest of the country,
18:18evidence-based prosecution
18:19should be relatively easier?
18:21Or do you fear
18:22that there would be
18:23an enabling ecosystem
18:24that will come
18:25and they will say,
18:26you know,
18:27when somebody chants,
18:28Bharat te re tukde honge
18:29in universities,
18:30that's freedom of expression.
18:32Do we need stricter action
18:34against those who say,
18:35Bharat te re tukde honge?
18:37That's not freedom of expression.
18:39Because courts also must realize,
18:41today they're saying it,
18:42tomorrow they'll do it.
18:43Sir, I think you're on mute, sir.
18:51No, I'm not on mute.
18:54Can you hear me?
18:55Go on, sir.
18:55Loud and clear, strength five.
18:56Go on, sir.
18:57Yeah.
18:57You see,
18:58the problem in the whole country
19:00is the judicial backlog
19:02and a very poor, poor prosecution.
19:05There's no doubt about it.
19:06In fact,
19:07the prosecution should also be there
19:08when the filing of the charge sheet is done,
19:11whether the case is actually made out or not.
19:13And if a case is made out
19:15to piece together the evidence
19:17in such a manner
19:18that, you know,
19:19immediately the case
19:21can be properly prosecuted.
19:23In fact,
19:23the Supreme Court has come down
19:25on the lower courts
19:27and said,
19:27why are the charges not being framed
19:29and they should be done
19:30in a particular time?
19:32You know,
19:32de-radicalization is a challenge
19:34which we need to do.
19:35I agree with Ahmed
19:37when he says
19:38that it is something
19:39not only in this country,
19:41but throughout the world.
19:42And therefore,
19:43this is one thing
19:44which the intelligence agencies,
19:46the security agencies,
19:47the society as a whole
19:48have to get into.
19:50And the last point
19:50which I wanted to tell you
19:51was that the question
19:53which you said,
19:53didn't the neighbours
19:54know what they were doing?
19:56You're right.
19:57Some of,
19:57many of the neighbours know,
19:59but they keep quiet.
20:00They wish it away
20:01or they don't want
20:03to get into
20:03any kind of trouble.
20:04These are the kind of people
20:05we have to motivate
20:06to come out
20:08in the interests
20:08of the country
20:09because these doctors
20:11are not a plot
20:11on their uniform.
20:13They are also traitors
20:14to the country.
20:15Absolutely.
20:16And they're just being
20:17so unfair.
20:18They're being so unfair
20:19to the medical fraternity
20:21because I trust doctors
20:23with my eyes shut.
20:24They are healers.
20:25Doctors are second
20:26only to God.
20:27but these are elements
20:28who are devil's incarnate
20:31should they actually
20:32have done
20:32what they stand accused of.
20:34And I want to bring in
20:35Dr. Tara Kartha
20:35and Dr. Tara Kartha
20:36I'm on the point
20:37of those
20:38who are in
20:39enabling ecosystem.
20:41Aray,
20:41bachche hai,
20:42kya hai diya
20:43university mein
20:43bharat tere tukne honge
20:45toh kya hua?
20:46I want to talk about
20:47those who say
20:48cut India off at Assam.
20:50We will cut them off
20:51at Assam.
20:52We'll cut off
20:52India's northeast
20:53and that's seen
20:54as freedom of expression.
20:55Are those the elements
20:56today they are saying
20:57it tomorrow
20:58they will do it
20:58like these doctors
20:59who are alleged
21:00to have done madam?
21:02I'm 100%
21:04agreeing the agreement
21:04with you.
21:05This kind of talk
21:06can't be tolerated.
21:08And unfortunately
21:08I have seen this
21:09first hand
21:10in a certain state
21:12in a certain areas
21:13where the local police
21:14know about it.
21:16They can't go there.
21:18There are areas
21:19in this country
21:19which are actually
21:21no go.
21:22And I think
21:22it's time we took
21:23those on.
21:24Head on.
21:25Sort them out
21:25as of now.
21:26Enough is enough.
21:27But there is one thing
21:29I want to caution on
21:30regarding Kashmir.
21:31I mean I respect
21:32General Hassanen
21:34completely.
21:36What Pakistan
21:36wants you to do
21:38is to launch
21:39a huge
21:40sort of
21:40drive
21:41in Kashmir.
21:42You've got
21:43normalcy
21:44quote unquote
21:45normalcy
21:46back.
21:47When you take
21:47action against
21:48OGWs
21:49it has to be
21:51a very very
21:52careful exercise.
21:53That is a
21:54cautionary tale
21:54but in the
21:55other areas
21:56Gaurav I
21:57am with you.
21:58We can't
21:58tolerate this
21:59kind of thing
21:59in our
22:00universities.
22:01It is simply
22:01not on.
22:02And those
22:04areas which
22:05the government
22:06knows about
22:07I don't want
22:08to talk about
22:08it here.
22:09You need to
22:10take action
22:10there because
22:11those are
22:11kind of you
22:12know there are
22:13like festering
22:14wounds in this
22:15country's body.
22:16How do you
22:17de-radicalize?
22:18I want to
22:18bring in
22:18ma'am you've
22:19raised a
22:19very pertinent
22:20point.
22:21How do you
22:21de-radicalize
22:22such elements?
22:22Because when
22:23you talk about
22:24a doctor
22:24let's say
22:25let's just
22:26talk about
22:26Dr. Adil
22:27for example
22:27or Dr.
22:28Muzzammil
22:28or Dr.
22:29Umar
22:29Mohammed.
22:30Why would
22:30you think
22:31that guys
22:32who made
22:32it in life
22:33they're already
22:33MBBS doctors
22:34they're studying
22:35to do
22:35their MS
22:36they've
22:37achieved
22:37everything
22:38that you
22:38may want
22:39to achieve
22:39you should
22:40only aspire
22:40to go
22:41higher.
22:42How do you
22:42de-radicalize
22:43these elements
22:43who seem
22:44to be
22:44wanting
22:45to go
22:45down?
22:45This is
22:45you're
22:47asking me?
22:53I'm
22:54asking Dr.
22:54Zeenat
22:54Shakat Ali
22:55madam.
22:56Sorry.
22:57You see
22:58Gaurav
22:58what my
22:59simple point
23:00to de-radicalize
23:01is you
23:02know a
23:03suggestion
23:03that I
23:04have that
23:05every
23:05imam
23:06of the
23:07Muslims
23:07when they're
23:08giving
23:09excuse me
23:10a sermon
23:11on a
23:11Friday
23:12had to
23:14bring to
23:14light
23:14the
23:15certain
23:15verses
23:16that I'm
23:16going to
23:16quote
23:17where murder
23:18is considered
23:19to be
23:20outside
23:20outside
23:23the
23:24but it's
23:25the imam
23:25that's
23:26sadly
23:26indoctrinating
23:27them here
23:27you know
23:28if you want
23:30to go to
23:30a mosque
23:31for light
23:32it is the
23:33imam
23:33Malvi
23:34Irfan
23:34Ahmed
23:35who's
23:35accused
23:36of pushing
23:36them
23:37towards
23:37darkness
23:38how do you
23:40sort that
23:40out?
23:40that is
23:42absolutely
23:42correct
23:43what I'm
23:44simply saying
23:45is that
23:46all the
23:47imams
23:48have to
23:49get together
23:50and on
23:51every Friday
23:52give a
23:53sermon
23:53on the
23:54verses of
23:55the Quran
23:55which are
23:56saying that
23:56you cannot
23:57be a
23:58Muslim
23:58or called
23:59a Muslim
24:00if you
24:01are radicalized
24:02and start
24:03killing people
24:04because murder
24:05and I'm
24:06reading you
24:06the verses
24:07of the
24:07Quran
24:08there is
24:09the verse
24:11of
24:11Surah 5
24:13number 32
24:13where
24:14if you
24:16kill one
24:17innocent human
24:18being
24:18it is as
24:18if you
24:19have killed
24:19all mankind
24:20absolutely
24:20then there is
24:24verse number
24:2417
24:25number 33
24:26and 6
24:27and 157
24:28which talk
24:29nor take
24:30a life
24:31that God
24:31has made
24:32sacred
24:32I'm reading
24:33to you
24:33a direct
24:34verse
24:34of the
24:34Quran
24:34prohibition
24:35of aggression
24:36is contributed
24:38to your
24:38own destruction
24:39your
24:40destruction
24:40is
24:41ma'am
24:43catch your
24:43breath
24:43let me bring
24:44in
24:44let me bring
24:45in
24:45Dr. Tara
24:46Kartha
24:46as you
24:47catch your
24:47breath
24:47for a
24:48moment
24:48Dr. Tara
24:49Kartha
24:49you seem
24:50to disagree
24:51on the
24:52point
24:52that they
24:53can be
24:53de-radicalized
24:54just by
24:55getting the
24:56right sermons
24:57from
24:58their imams
24:59I just
25:01wanted to
25:01quickly say
25:02ironically
25:03Pakistan's
25:04Punjab
25:05they've
25:05extended
25:06section
25:06146
25:08and they've
25:09said
25:09no Friday
25:10prayers
25:10they've
25:11shut it
25:11down
25:12can you
25:13do that
25:13here
25:13you can't
25:15you know
25:16so there
25:16is a
25:17when you
25:18want to
25:18do something
25:19and you
25:19decide
25:19this area
25:20is not
25:22on you
25:22shut down
25:23these people
25:23who are
25:23talking
25:24this kind
25:24of thing
25:24what she
25:25said is
25:26very right
25:26this is
25:27not what
25:27Islam
25:28preaches
25:28yes
25:29yes
25:31it's
25:34you
25:36you
25:38you
25:38you
25:38you
25:40you
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