This special report unpacks the intense political debate surrounding the historic voter turnout in the Bihar Assembly elections. Key figures like K.C. Tyagi of the JDU, Dhananjay Giri of the BJP, Naval Kishore of the RJD, and Pawan Verma of the Jan Suraj party weigh in on whether the record polling signifies pro-incumbency for the Nitish Kumar government or a wave of anti-incumbency. Pawan Verma of Jan Suraj stated, 'some women have been given this last-minute lollipop of 10,000 rupees, which is a straight bribery'. The NDA alliance sees the high turnout as an endorsement of its development work, particularly in women's empowerment, and predicts a massive victory with over 225 seats. In contrast, the RJD-led opposition argues it is a vote against unemployment and for the change promised by Tejashwi Yadav. Meanwhile, Prashant Kishore's Jan Suraj party claims the electorate's enthusiasm signals a 'silent revolution' for a complete overhaul of the political establishment that has governed Bihar for 30 years.
00:00Is it pro-incumbency or anti-incumbency? That's my political face-off at the moment.
00:05Joining me now, K.C. Ithyagi, one of the senior most leaders of the JDU, former MP,
00:10Pavan Verma, national spokesperson, Jan Suraj, that's the party of Prashant Kishore,
00:14someone we've not spoken much about, Dr. Dhanan Jai Giri, spokesperson of the BJP,
00:18joins me, and Naval Kishore, national spokesperson, RJD. Appreciate all of you joining us on the
00:24show today. K.C. Ithyagi ji, senior most है, आप शुरू करिये. क्या ये pro-incumbency है
00:30या anti-incumbency? देखा गया है, generally, when there is high voter turn-out,
00:35कहीं न कहीं, सरकार विरोधी एक बदलाव की भावना हुआ करती है.
00:40क्या आपको लगता है, ये आपके लिए थोड़ी एक चिंता का विशह है,
00:43कि इतना high voter turn-out हुआ है, इस बार 10% से ज्यादा higher?
00:53राजदीब जी, मैं 6 लोग सभागे चुनाव लड़ चुका हूँ.
00:57आरा भी हूँ, जीता भी हूँ.
01:00और उसके आधार पर मैं कह सकता हूँ,
01:02कि पार्टियों के कारेकरम, पार्टियों के नेतरित के चेहरे को देख करके प्रो और एंटी इंकम्मेंसी होती है.
01:1484 में जब मैं पहली बार लड़ रहा था, तो मिसिस गांदी की हत्या हो गई थी.
01:19एक तरफा बोट पड़ा. 89 में मैं जनता दिल से लड़ रहा था,
01:23तो एक तरफा बोट पड़ा. आपात काल का भी मुझको याद है, 77 में कॉंग्रेस के वरकर बूट छोड़ करके चले गए थे.
01:31अब वहाँ पर हम सम लोग कभी इखटे जनता दिल में भी रहे हैं,
01:36लेकिन 15 साल बनाम 20 साल,
01:39नितिश जी का सुशासन वर्सीज लालू परसाजी के नित्रित का कुशाशन,
01:46उसके बीच में चुनाव हैं,
01:48हम सर लालू जी तो 25 साल पहले मुख्यमंत्री थे,
01:56आप अपने पर्फॉमेंस पर ये चुनाव लड़ रहे थे या लालू जी के पर्फॉमेंस पर?
02:01दोनों पर, दोनों पर, आखिर मुकाबला किस से है हमारा,
02:08हम उनके साथ भी रहे हैं, उनके अच्छे कामों में भी साथ रहे हैं,
02:12और जो कुशासन था उसका भी हम लोगों ने विरूद किया है,
02:16हम जेल में भी साथ थे, हम तकलिफों में भी साथ थे,
02:19to do it.
02:22But you know, you are going to go to the next generation.
02:29You are going to go to Mumbai.
02:33You are going to go to the next generation.
02:40You are going to be in the next generation.
02:45and you will see that the most important thing is that the most important thing is that women empowerment
02:51which is happening in the world and the most important thing is that women empowerment
03:03and Raya Deeb Ji, first time 50% of the country, point to be noted,
03:12first time 50% of the country, now Jilla Panchat, Bloc Paramukh, BDC member, Mayor, Difty Mayor.
03:23I get your point.
03:24You say this is a pro-incumbency voter.
03:26Naval Kishore, respond.
03:28According to KC Tiaagi, this has been today voting where voters have come from.
03:33Compared 20 years of Nitish Kumar with 15 years of Lalu Prasad and Rabri Devi.
03:39Do you believe that this was the reason according to Tiaagi Ji that people are coming out with the vote?
03:45This is a vote, a pro-incumbency vote.
03:48Radhi Ji, it is very serious.
03:51This is the time of the 20th century, which is being said in the name of the Sushasana.
03:57Is it not a new Sushasana?
04:00Is it a Sushasana?
04:02Is it a Sushasana?
04:32Vote Bank.
05:02इसमें कि आप देखेंगे कि नौकरी अगर बिहार में मिली है तो 17 महीने के सासन में मिली है जिसमें तेजस्वी जिन्होंने 2020 में प्रॉमिस किया कि 10 लाख नौकरी हम देगे यहांपर उसमें से जब भी वही नितीज कुमार जो कहते थे कहां से नौकरी देगा
05:27So you are hearing two different points of view. Anti-incumbency, one minute. Pro-incumbency.
05:53One minute.
06:23You are saying that there is an attraction for Tejasvi.
06:28The Mahila factor is extensively discussed. There is the youth factor also. The fact is that Prashant Kishore is the one who has targeted the youth. I was traveling with him. We'll have a report later today on the campaign trail.
06:58Without a doubt Rajdeep, the high voter turnout is an indication of a silent revolution unfolding in Bihar. A revolution which is for change.
07:17You must understand one thing. The need for change encapsulates within it.
07:26Now for the last 30 years in Bihar, between the so-called Mahagadbandan and the Mahangadbandan,
07:45they have reduced Bihar to where it was 30 years ago, the poorest and the most backward state, where the unemployment is the highest, education is in shambles, the out-migration is the highest, women are almost 50% illiterate.
08:01I am glad you spoke about the women. The youth is firmly with Jansuraj and Prashant Kishore.
08:07The male youth, the male youth. Do you agree? It's predominantly male. You're saying the youth and the migrants are with Prashant Kishore, but it's male versus female.
08:19No, actually I was coming to that. This tendency to see women as a monolith and if the voter turnout is a little higher for women, it's a pro-NDA vote.
08:32I believe this is a myth. You think women are not poor? If one third of Bihar is below the poverty line, women are not suffering.
08:43Do you think women are not suffering because their sons, the moment they turn 16, have to leave and see them only once a year?
08:51Do you think women are not suffering when 50% or roughly around that of them are illiterate?
08:56The fact of the matter is that some women have been given this last-minute lollipop of 10,000 rupees, which is a straight bribery.
09:07But there are 3.5 crore women voters and there is also great discontent among those who have not received it.
09:14And even those who have received it now believe that this is the last-minute pralobhan, a kind of chunavi incentive, but it will not bring out lasting and enduring change.
09:27So therefore, the first phase of this election is firmly in the bag, the school bag, which is the symbol of the Jansuraj.
09:36Jansuraj. And you will see the results on the 14th, we'll prove it to you.
09:41Okay, you're saying that the election is in the Jansuraj is school bag.
09:46Dhanan Jai Giri, high voter turnout. How is the BJP reading it?
09:50J.P. Nanda in our interview says it's a pro-incumbency vote.
09:54It could be, but is there a fear somewhere that there is also anger, if not some element of fatigue, if not anger, that has built up?
10:03And maybe people have come out to also vote against that, especially sitting MLAs.
10:08The BJP did not drop a lot of their sitting MLAs.
10:12And many believe that that was possibly one mistake the BJP has made in this election.
10:18See, Rajdeepji, we are thankful to the people who has given vote in a nice percentage.
10:27See, this election is not an ordinary political exercise.
10:30It is a decisive contest between two reasons, bright and black of Bihar future.
10:36Between these two grand current flows, the sentiment of the common voters, hopeful, caution, and quietly powerful.
10:45See, we know…
10:45If the sentiment was so bright, why did you need to give 10,000 rupees to 1.4 crore women even while the voting was on?
10:55If you were so confident, what was the need to do it?
10:59See, you go a little back.
11:00In 2007, it started women empowerment.
11:04In different tahsil, taluka, in every small, small elections, we were given a voting right to the women.
11:13When we came into the power, the 37 percent literacy rate of these ladies.
11:19Now it is 88 percent.
11:2088.9 percent.
11:22So, slowly we are…
11:24In all over India, in Bihar, the maximum ladies police are in Bihar.
11:30The maximum number of women are in Bihar.
11:32So, slowly we are resting thing.
11:34So, Jivika Didi is 1.4 crore.
11:36We have not made him just before election.
11:38It is from last 20 years the scenario is going on.
11:41Now they came in the position.
11:43Now they can start their own business.
11:45So, we have given.
11:46And we made a calendar.
11:48We take an approval from election commission.
11:50And we started this.
11:52We are doing it from very long time.
11:54So, it's not a bribe.
11:55It's not a bribe.
11:56It's not a goose.
11:57Pavan Verma says it's a goose.
12:00See, this is the insult.
12:02See, Pavan Verma, this is the insult of the democracy, the insult of the common man,
12:06the insult of the ladies who are working for the…
12:09You have insulted democracy.
12:11He is having a school baksa.
12:13The real, that is the real, you know, symbol of him.
12:18Now he has to go from school to college, college to university.
12:22Then they should come for election.
12:24So, it will take for 20 to 30 years to come in the contest.
12:28So, what Pavan Verma is saying.
12:30Okay, I'm going to college, college to the class.
12:33Sir, I have two minutes.
12:34I will give 30 seconds to each two.
12:36You do your own business.
12:38Tiyagi ji, before your business, Tiyagi ji, tell you how many cities will come.
12:43Tiyagi, and who will be party number one?
12:48Look, NDA Ghatwandan will get two or three seats.
12:53Two-thirds.
12:54And my very first master, Pavan Verma ji, will be the most vulnerable.
13:01Okay.
13:02So, two-thirds majority to NDA.
13:04Pavan Verma will be the most vulnerable.
13:05Let me give Pavan Verma a chance to respond to that.
13:08Pavan Verma, what's the best case and the worst case scenario for the Jand Suraj?
13:16There is only a best case.
13:19We are moving towards a decisive majority in this election.
13:25Analysts are missing it because they see it from the prism of 2020 when there was no third alternative.
13:31And what Tiyagi ji said is that we will be nirash.
13:35He is a person who is nirash, brother.
13:38What do you have done for it?
13:40Okay.
13:41So, you are saying that it will be the J.D.U. which will be nirash.
13:46Your number, Naval Kishore ji?
13:48What is your number?
13:49RJD best case is what is the best case?
13:50Pichly bar you were single largest with 75 seats but you couldn't form the government still.
13:55oh
13:57Yeah
13:59I am
14:01right
14:03I am
14:05a
14:07number
14:09number
14:11number one
14:13number one
14:15number one
14:17and
14:18and
14:19You are saying you will be, Ghat Bandhan will be clear number one, RJD party number one,
14:44Dhanan Jai Giri, BJP was a close number two last time, both you and JDU are contesting same number of seats, what's your best case scenario?
14:55See, NDA will be a comfortable majority, we have given slogan 2025, 225, so I think 225, we may cross that also.
15:05225 out of 243? 225 out of 243 you will get.
15:10This was our slogan.
15:12Sir, this slogan is okay, sir.
15:14Thoda, thoda zaming par a jaiye.
15:17Rajdeep ji, if you go to the voters, they are, they are saying that only NDA, they are having lot of faith of Narendra and Nithish Kumar,
15:25so they are giving vote like anything, and we have given the slogan, in 2025 we will win 225, but we think,
15:322025 you will win 225, I saw slogan, 2030, then we say Nithish.
15:43We will say 2025.
15:442050, then we say Nithish.
15:462050, then we say Nithish.
15:50no sir i finished i finished the time my time is up
15:55okay so nitish according to you will be the cm if you all win the election
16:03we'll wait and see even if that happens but either way i appreciate all my guests joining us
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