00:00Is it pro-incumbency or anti-incumbency? That's my political face-off at the moment.
00:05Joining me now, K.C. Ithyagi, one of the senior most leaders of the JDU, former MP,
00:10Pavan Verma, national spokesperson, Jan Suraj, that's the party of Prashant Kishore,
00:14someone we've not spoken much about, Dr. Dhanan Jai Giri, spokesperson of the BJP,
00:18joins me, and Naval Kishore, national spokesperson, RJD. Appreciate all of you joining us on the
00:24show today. K.C. Ithyagi ji, senior most рд╣реИ, рдЖрдк рд╢реБрд░реВ рдХрд░рд┐рдпреЗ. рдХреНрдпрд╛ рдпреЗ pro-incumbency рд╣реИ
00:30рдпрд╛ anti-incumbency? рджреЗрдЦрд╛ рдЧрдпрд╛ рд╣реИ, generally, when there is high voter turn-out,
00:35рдХрд╣реАрдВ рди рдХрд╣реАрдВ, рд╕рд░рдХрд╛рд░ рд╡рд┐рд░реЛрдзреА рдПрдХ рдмрджрд▓рд╛рд╡ рдХреА рднрд╛рд╡рдирд╛ рд╣реБрдЖ рдХрд░рддреА рд╣реИ.
00:40рдХреНрдпрд╛ рдЖрдкрдХреЛ рд▓рдЧрддрд╛ рд╣реИ, рдпреЗ рдЖрдкрдХреЗ рд▓рд┐рдП рдереЛрдбрд╝реА рдПрдХ рдЪрд┐рдВрддрд╛ рдХрд╛ рд╡рд┐рд╢рд╣ рд╣реИ,
00:43рдХрд┐ рдЗрддрдирд╛ high voter turn-out рд╣реБрдЖ рд╣реИ, рдЗрд╕ рдмрд╛рд░ 10% рд╕реЗ рдЬреНрдпрд╛рджрд╛ higher?
00:53рд░рд╛рдЬрджреАрдм рдЬреА, рдореИрдВ 6 рд▓реЛрдЧ рд╕рднрд╛рдЧреЗ рдЪреБрдирд╛рд╡ рд▓рдбрд╝ рдЪреБрдХрд╛ рд╣реВрдБ.
00:57рдЖрд░рд╛ рднреА рд╣реВрдБ, рдЬреАрддрд╛ рднреА рд╣реВрдБ.
01:00рдФрд░ рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рдЖрдзрд╛рд░ рдкрд░ рдореИрдВ рдХрд╣ рд╕рдХрддрд╛ рд╣реВрдБ,
01:02рдХрд┐ рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯрд┐рдпреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рдХрд╛рд░реЗрдХрд░рдо, рдкрд╛рд░реНрдЯрд┐рдпреЛрдВ рдХреЗ рдиреЗрддрд░рд┐рдд рдХреЗ рдЪреЗрд╣рд░реЗ рдХреЛ рджреЗрдЦ рдХрд░рдХреЗ рдкреНрд░реЛ рдФрд░ рдПрдВрдЯреА рдЗрдВрдХрдореНрдореЗрдВрд╕реА рд╣реЛрддреА рд╣реИ.
01:1484 рдореЗрдВ рдЬрдм рдореИрдВ рдкрд╣рд▓реА рдмрд╛рд░ рд▓рдбрд╝ рд░рд╣рд╛ рдерд╛, рддреЛ рдорд┐рд╕рд┐рд╕ рдЧрд╛рдВрджреА рдХреА рд╣рддреНрдпрд╛ рд╣реЛ рдЧрдИ рдереА.
01:19рдПрдХ рддрд░рдлрд╛ рдмреЛрдЯ рдкрдбрд╝рд╛. 89 рдореЗрдВ рдореИрдВ рдЬрдирддрд╛ рджрд┐рд▓ рд╕реЗ рд▓рдбрд╝ рд░рд╣рд╛ рдерд╛,
01:23рддреЛ рдПрдХ рддрд░рдлрд╛ рдмреЛрдЯ рдкрдбрд╝рд╛. рдЖрдкрд╛рдд рдХрд╛рд▓ рдХрд╛ рднреА рдореБрдЭрдХреЛ рдпрд╛рдж рд╣реИ, 77 рдореЗрдВ рдХреЙрдВрдЧреНрд░реЗрд╕ рдХреЗ рд╡рд░рдХрд░ рдмреВрдЯ рдЫреЛрдбрд╝ рдХрд░рдХреЗ рдЪрд▓реЗ рдЧрдП рдереЗ.
01:31рдЕрдм рд╡рд╣рд╛рдБ рдкрд░ рд╣рдо рд╕рдо рд▓реЛрдЧ рдХрднреА рдЗрдЦрдЯреЗ рдЬрдирддрд╛ рджрд┐рд▓ рдореЗрдВ рднреА рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ,
01:36рд▓реЗрдХрд┐рди 15 рд╕рд╛рд▓ рдмрдирд╛рдо 20 рд╕рд╛рд▓,
01:39рдирд┐рддрд┐рд╢ рдЬреА рдХрд╛ рд╕реБрд╢рд╛рд╕рди рд╡рд░реНрд╕реАрдЬ рд▓рд╛рд▓реВ рдкрд░рд╕рд╛рдЬреА рдХреЗ рдирд┐рддреНрд░рд┐рдд рдХрд╛ рдХреБрд╢рд╛рд╢рди,
01:46рдЙрд╕рдХреЗ рдмреАрдЪ рдореЗрдВ рдЪреБрдирд╛рд╡ рд╣реИрдВ,
01:48рд╣рдо рд╕рд░ рд▓рд╛рд▓реВ рдЬреА рддреЛ 25 рд╕рд╛рд▓ рдкрд╣рд▓реЗ рдореБрдЦреНрдпрдордВрддреНрд░реА рдереЗ,
01:56рдЖрдк рдЕрдкрдиреЗ рдкрд░реНрдлреЙрдореЗрдВрд╕ рдкрд░ рдпреЗ рдЪреБрдирд╛рд╡ рд▓рдбрд╝ рд░рд╣реЗ рдереЗ рдпрд╛ рд▓рд╛рд▓реВ рдЬреА рдХреЗ рдкрд░реНрдлреЙрдореЗрдВрд╕ рдкрд░?
02:01рджреЛрдиреЛрдВ рдкрд░, рджреЛрдиреЛрдВ рдкрд░, рдЖрдЦрд┐рд░ рдореБрдХрд╛рдмрд▓рд╛ рдХрд┐рд╕ рд╕реЗ рд╣реИ рд╣рдорд╛рд░рд╛,
02:08рд╣рдо рдЙрдирдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рде рднреА рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ, рдЙрдирдХреЗ рдЕрдЪреНрдЫреЗ рдХрд╛рдореЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рднреА рд╕рд╛рде рд░рд╣реЗ рд╣реИрдВ,
02:12рдФрд░ рдЬреЛ рдХреБрд╢рд╛рд╕рди рдерд╛ рдЙрд╕рдХрд╛ рднреА рд╣рдо рд▓реЛрдЧреЛрдВ рдиреЗ рд╡рд┐рд░реВрдж рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рд╣реИ,
02:16рд╣рдо рдЬреЗрд▓ рдореЗрдВ рднреА рд╕рд╛рде рдереЗ, рд╣рдо рддрдХрд▓рд┐рдлреЛрдВ рдореЗрдВ рднреА рд╕рд╛рде рдереЗ,
02:19to do it.
02:22But you know, you are going to go to the next generation.
02:29You are going to go to Mumbai.
02:33You are going to go to the next generation.
02:40You are going to be in the next generation.
02:45and you will see that the most important thing is that the most important thing is that women empowerment
02:51which is happening in the world and the most important thing is that women empowerment
03:03and Raya Deeb Ji, first time 50% of the country, point to be noted,
03:12first time 50% of the country, now Jilla Panchat, Bloc Paramukh, BDC member, Mayor, Difty Mayor.
03:23I get your point.
03:24You say this is a pro-incumbency voter.
03:26Naval Kishore, respond.
03:28According to KC Tiaagi, this has been today voting where voters have come from.
03:33Compared 20 years of Nitish Kumar with 15 years of Lalu Prasad and Rabri Devi.
03:39Do you believe that this was the reason according to Tiaagi Ji that people are coming out with the vote?
03:45This is a vote, a pro-incumbency vote.
03:48Radhi Ji, it is very serious.
03:51This is the time of the 20th century, which is being said in the name of the Sushasana.
03:57Is it not a new Sushasana?
04:00Is it a Sushasana?
04:02Is it a Sushasana?
04:32Vote Bank.
05:02рдЗрд╕рдореЗрдВ рдХрд┐ рдЖрдк рджреЗрдЦреЗрдВрдЧреЗ рдХрд┐ рдиреМрдХрд░реА рдЕрдЧрд░ рдмрд┐рд╣рд╛рд░ рдореЗрдВ рдорд┐рд▓реА рд╣реИ рддреЛ 17 рдорд╣реАрдиреЗ рдХреЗ рд╕рд╛рд╕рди рдореЗрдВ рдорд┐рд▓реА рд╣реИ рдЬрд┐рд╕рдореЗрдВ рддреЗрдЬрд╕реНрд╡реА рдЬрд┐рдиреНрд╣реЛрдВрдиреЗ 2020 рдореЗрдВ рдкреНрд░реЙрдорд┐рд╕ рдХрд┐рдпрд╛ рдХрд┐ 10 рд▓рд╛рдЦ рдиреМрдХрд░реА рд╣рдо рджреЗрдЧреЗ рдпрд╣рд╛рдВрдкрд░ рдЙрд╕рдореЗрдВ рд╕реЗ рдЬрдм рднреА рд╡рд╣реА рдирд┐рддреАрдЬ рдХреБрдорд╛рд░ рдЬреЛ рдХрд╣рддреЗ рдереЗ рдХрд╣рд╛рдВ рд╕реЗ рдиреМрдХрд░реА рджреЗрдЧрд╛
05:27So you are hearing two different points of view. Anti-incumbency, one minute. Pro-incumbency.
05:53One minute.
06:23You are saying that there is an attraction for Tejasvi.
06:28The Mahila factor is extensively discussed. There is the youth factor also. The fact is that Prashant Kishore is the one who has targeted the youth. I was traveling with him. We'll have a report later today on the campaign trail.
06:58Without a doubt Rajdeep, the high voter turnout is an indication of a silent revolution unfolding in Bihar. A revolution which is for change.
07:17You must understand one thing. The need for change encapsulates within it.
07:26Now for the last 30 years in Bihar, between the so-called Mahagadbandan and the Mahangadbandan,
07:45they have reduced Bihar to where it was 30 years ago, the poorest and the most backward state, where the unemployment is the highest, education is in shambles, the out-migration is the highest, women are almost 50% illiterate.
08:01I am glad you spoke about the women. The youth is firmly with Jansuraj and Prashant Kishore.
08:07The male youth, the male youth. Do you agree? It's predominantly male. You're saying the youth and the migrants are with Prashant Kishore, but it's male versus female.
08:19No, actually I was coming to that. This tendency to see women as a monolith and if the voter turnout is a little higher for women, it's a pro-NDA vote.
08:32I believe this is a myth. You think women are not poor? If one third of Bihar is below the poverty line, women are not suffering.
08:43Do you think women are not suffering because their sons, the moment they turn 16, have to leave and see them only once a year?
08:51Do you think women are not suffering when 50% or roughly around that of them are illiterate?
08:56The fact of the matter is that some women have been given this last-minute lollipop of 10,000 rupees, which is a straight bribery.
09:07But there are 3.5 crore women voters and there is also great discontent among those who have not received it.
09:14And even those who have received it now believe that this is the last-minute pralobhan, a kind of chunavi incentive, but it will not bring out lasting and enduring change.
09:27So therefore, the first phase of this election is firmly in the bag, the school bag, which is the symbol of the Jansuraj.
09:36Jansuraj. And you will see the results on the 14th, we'll prove it to you.
09:41Okay, you're saying that the election is in the Jansuraj is school bag.
09:46Dhanan Jai Giri, high voter turnout. How is the BJP reading it?
09:50J.P. Nanda in our interview says it's a pro-incumbency vote.
09:54It could be, but is there a fear somewhere that there is also anger, if not some element of fatigue, if not anger, that has built up?
10:03And maybe people have come out to also vote against that, especially sitting MLAs.
10:08The BJP did not drop a lot of their sitting MLAs.
10:12And many believe that that was possibly one mistake the BJP has made in this election.
10:18See, Rajdeepji, we are thankful to the people who has given vote in a nice percentage.
10:27See, this election is not an ordinary political exercise.
10:30It is a decisive contest between two reasons, bright and black of Bihar future.
10:36Between these two grand current flows, the sentiment of the common voters, hopeful, caution, and quietly powerful.
10:45See, we knowтАж
10:45If the sentiment was so bright, why did you need to give 10,000 rupees to 1.4 crore women even while the voting was on?
10:55If you were so confident, what was the need to do it?
10:59See, you go a little back.
11:00In 2007, it started women empowerment.
11:04In different tahsil, taluka, in every small, small elections, we were given a voting right to the women.
11:13When we came into the power, the 37 percent literacy rate of these ladies.
11:19Now it is 88 percent.
11:2088.9 percent.
11:22So, slowly we areтАж
11:24In all over India, in Bihar, the maximum ladies police are in Bihar.
11:30The maximum number of women are in Bihar.
11:32So, slowly we are resting thing.
11:34So, Jivika Didi is 1.4 crore.
11:36We have not made him just before election.
11:38It is from last 20 years the scenario is going on.
11:41Now they came in the position.
11:43Now they can start their own business.
11:45So, we have given.
11:46And we made a calendar.
11:48We take an approval from election commission.
11:50And we started this.
11:52We are doing it from very long time.
11:54So, it's not a bribe.
11:55It's not a bribe.
11:56It's not a goose.
11:57Pavan Verma says it's a goose.
12:00See, this is the insult.
12:02See, Pavan Verma, this is the insult of the democracy, the insult of the common man,
12:06the insult of the ladies who are working for theтАж
12:09You have insulted democracy.
12:11He is having a school baksa.
12:13The real, that is the real, you know, symbol of him.
12:18Now he has to go from school to college, college to university.
12:22Then they should come for election.
12:24So, it will take for 20 to 30 years to come in the contest.
12:28So, what Pavan Verma is saying.
12:30Okay, I'm going to college, college to the class.
12:33Sir, I have two minutes.
12:34I will give 30 seconds to each two.
12:36You do your own business.
12:38Tiyagi ji, before your business, Tiyagi ji, tell you how many cities will come.
12:43Tiyagi, and who will be party number one?
12:48Look, NDA Ghatwandan will get two or three seats.
12:53Two-thirds.
12:54And my very first master, Pavan Verma ji, will be the most vulnerable.
13:01Okay.
13:02So, two-thirds majority to NDA.
13:04Pavan Verma will be the most vulnerable.
13:05Let me give Pavan Verma a chance to respond to that.
13:08Pavan Verma, what's the best case and the worst case scenario for the Jand Suraj?
13:16There is only a best case.
13:19We are moving towards a decisive majority in this election.
13:25Analysts are missing it because they see it from the prism of 2020 when there was no third alternative.
13:31And what Tiyagi ji said is that we will be nirash.
13:35He is a person who is nirash, brother.
13:38What do you have done for it?
13:40Okay.
13:41So, you are saying that it will be the J.D.U. which will be nirash.
13:46Your number, Naval Kishore ji?
13:48What is your number?
13:49RJD best case is what is the best case?
13:50Pichly bar you were single largest with 75 seats but you couldn't form the government still.
13:55oh
13:57Yeah
13:59I am
14:01right
14:03I am
14:05a
14:07number
14:09number
14:11number one
14:13number one
14:15number one
14:17and
14:18and
14:19You are saying you will be, Ghat Bandhan will be clear number one, RJD party number one,
14:44Dhanan Jai Giri, BJP was a close number two last time, both you and JDU are contesting same number of seats, what's your best case scenario?
14:55See, NDA will be a comfortable majority, we have given slogan 2025, 225, so I think 225, we may cross that also.
15:05225 out of 243? 225 out of 243 you will get.
15:10This was our slogan.
15:12Sir, this slogan is okay, sir.
15:14Thoda, thoda zaming par a jaiye.
15:17Rajdeep ji, if you go to the voters, they are, they are saying that only NDA, they are having lot of faith of Narendra and Nithish Kumar,
15:25so they are giving vote like anything, and we have given the slogan, in 2025 we will win 225, but we think,
15:322025 you will win 225, I saw slogan, 2030, then we say Nithish.
15:43We will say 2025.
15:442050, then we say Nithish.
15:462050, then we say Nithish.
15:50no sir i finished i finished the time my time is up
15:55okay so nitish according to you will be the cm if you all win the election
16:03we'll wait and see even if that happens but either way i appreciate all my guests joining us
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