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00:00Hello, everyone. I'm Dana Perino, along with Kennedy, Harold Ford Jr., Jesse Waters,
00:07and Greg Gutfeld. It's 5 o'clock in New York City, and this is The Five.
00:17Thank you, Trump! Thank you, Trump! Thank you, Trump!
00:22And President Trump getting a hero's welcome in Israel on a very historic day.
00:27Hamas releasing all 20 living hostages as part of the peace deal that Trump brokered.
00:32Emotional scenes as families were reunited with loved ones who were held hostage for two years.
00:39The president getting a thunderous ovation while addressing the Israeli Knesset.
00:43And he couldn't resist taking a few shots at his predecessors while he was at it.
00:48When you settle eight wars in eight months, that means you don't like war.
00:52Everyone thought I was going to be brutal.
00:54In fact, I remember Hillary Clinton during a debate.
00:57She said, look at him, look at him. He's going to go into war with everybody.
01:01And actually, she said, he's got a personality that's all about war.
01:05No, my personality actually is all about stopping wars, and it seems to work.
01:11It could have happened a long time ago, but it was strangled and set back almost
01:15irretrievably by the administrations of Barack Obama and then Joe Biden.
01:21And then it was to Egypt.
01:23President Trump shaking hands and meeting with 30 countries for a Gaza peace summit,
01:27hoping to keep the momentum going on his 20-point plan for peace in the region.
01:32Now the rebuilding begins.
01:36The rebuilding is maybe going to be the easiest part.
01:39I think we've done a lot of the hardest part because the rest comes together.
01:43The momentous breakthrough that we're here to celebrate tonight is more than the end of the war in Gaza.
01:49It's with God's help.
01:50It'll be the new beginning for an entire beautiful Middle East.
01:55All the momentum now is toward a great, glorious, and lasting peace, and our commitment to fulfilling the 20-point plan.
02:03I hope everybody's going to join the Abraham Accord.
02:07I like to say the Avraham.
02:10I love Avraham.
02:12And here's something for a change.
02:14Some Democrats and media pundits were willing to give credit where credit is due.
02:20This was very much a peacemaker speech.
02:22Do you give him credit for this?
02:25Oh, certainly.
02:26I mean, this is an incredible accomplishment and an incredible moment.
02:30It's a terrific day for the hostage families.
02:33It's a terrific day for President Trump, for our national interests.
02:38He should get a lot of credit.
02:40I mean, this was his deal.
02:41He worked this out.
02:43Listen, he got the deal across the finish line.
02:45There's no question.
02:46Things seem sort of possible now in a way that they didn't necessarily before.
02:50It's a better future ahead.
02:52That's what today represented.
02:54It was so, so powerful and unbelievably emotional.
02:58And it went on from there.
02:59I think Hillary Clinton even had some nice things to say.
03:02Jesse Waters, we'll start with you on this huge moment.
03:05And I would just point out that President Trump, before he flew all the way there,
03:10he was ready to stand there in solidarity with his friend, be a part of this peace movement,
03:13and take it to the next level in phase two.
03:15But before that, he also met with former hostages and their families in order to hear directly from them.
03:22Yeah, he was so successful because he turned everything on its head.
03:26Great day for everybody, but a huge indictment of American foreign policy over the last 30 years.
03:32Donald Trump bombed the Iranians instead of giving them cash.
03:36He turned Israel loose in the region instead of trying to contain Israel.
03:40He sold the Arab leaders technology instead of just weaponry.
03:44And all of the talk about human rights abuses really rubbed these Arab leaders the wrong way.
03:50And he focused on controlling the human rights abuses of the terrorists.
03:55Imagine that.
03:56He removed Palestinian statehood as the cornerstone of the negotiation strategy.
04:02And then he also turned loose New York real estate developers.
04:06Who would have thought they would have been more effective than career diplomats?
04:10Joe Biden, when he first gets in there, called the Saudi Crown Prince a killer.
04:16And then he told them he was going green.
04:18And then what did he do? He came back begging to pump more oil.
04:22So then when he wanted more help to solve this thing, they put him to voicemail.
04:27And all the people you showed praising Donald Trump for his success in the Middle East, they wanted to put him in prison.
04:34So if they had been successful in putting him in prison, Hamas would have still had the hostages and the Iranians would have still had their nuclear program.
04:42It kind of hinges, this whole peace deal, on the Bibi miscalculation when he tried to take these strikes against these negotiators in Qatar.
04:52Trump was shocked that he did that.
04:55And the Arab world was humiliated.
04:57And he brings Bibi back to the White House.
04:59And he makes them make an apology phone call while everybody was taking photographs.
05:04And that showed the Arab world that Trump could control Netanyahu.
05:10And that means they trusted him that if Netanyahu signs this deal, Trump will make sure he doesn't break it.
05:18He was able to establish that trust through a personal relationship.
05:21And hopefully, what he's doing now in Ukraine, the way he turned Israel loose in Syria and Iran and Lebanon and in Gaza, he's now considering turning the Ukrainians loose by selling them Tomahawk missiles.
05:35Because the nice stuff hasn't worked with Putin yet.
05:38He might have to turn them loose and have deep strikes inside of Russia.
05:42And that might bring an end to that war.
05:44And if you could do that, you've got to give the guy the Nobel Peace Prize.
05:47In fact, I think I just saw on X that Time Magazine, it's not Time Magazine Person of the Year, but they have him on the cover and giving him due credit.
05:57Harold Ford Jr., get your thoughts now.
05:58Good to be back with everybody.
06:00I agree with Jesse in huge ways.
06:02I think Jesse's sketching out of the history over the last several months, starting with, I think, two things.
06:11Our ability to go into Iran with the Midnight Hammer mission and destroy and undermine their ability to fund and provide their proxies with weapons was a huge thing.
06:22The Israelis really paved that force because they cleared their airspace and we had the technology and had the men and women to be able to get it done.
06:31And then obviously, Jesse, I think you're absolutely right.
06:34The attack of the Hamas negotiators in Qatar rubbed Qatar the wrong way and it gave President Trump the opportunity to apply pressure to both sides.
06:46And now we've got to do it.
06:47We've got to do it in Ukraine.
06:48I'd say just two last things.
06:50I think Jesse nailed it.
06:51What I hope emerges from this, because there's some real questions that we will now have to deal with.
06:56And it was so encouraging to see the president there with the leadership in the Middle East, as well as many of our European allies.
07:03And I actually think some of the pressure they applied to Israel by saying that they recognized, wanted to recognize Palestine as a state was something that also helped in this process as well.
07:14But we shouldn't kid ourselves.
07:15It was President Trump that did it.
07:17Two things.
07:17Will there be a new generation of leadership that emerges as we think about the way Gaza is going to be governed, new, younger leadership?
07:24You talked about MBS and how he was perceived and treated by President Biden.
07:30He's a young guy who realizes that the future of that region cannot just be tied to energy products.
07:37He wants technology and other things.
07:38And clearly what President Trump did by brokering the sale of massive amounts of our AI and massive amounts of our technology will help that.
07:45We should all recall two years ago, right before October 7th, the Israelis and the Saudis were on the verge of a massive and historic peace and economic security deal, which would have transformed the region as well and added to the Abraham or Abraham Accords, depending on how you want to pronounce it.
07:59So I'm hopeful and encouraged this this afternoon.
08:02And I'm even more so that President Trump is now saying his trust for President Putin is at an all time low.
08:07And he's going to give these people offensive weapons, tomahawks, in order to bring them to the table.
08:12So I agree with you 100 percent.
08:13Kennedy, I could watch the reunion videos all day, and I have watched so many of them.
08:18And it does remind you just the barbarity of Hamas.
08:21And all of this could have ended if Hamas would have released all the hostages immediately.
08:25Israel said that it would stop.
08:27The hostages are released.
08:29The war has stopped.
08:29Twenty of them are.
08:30And, you know, for those 20 families, there was so much uncertainty.
08:36And the only thing that felt certain was this war was going to drag on for another year.
08:41It felt interminable.
08:42And they may not see their loved ones again.
08:45You know, the hostages videos that we have seen, the dramatic weight loss and, you know, the change in complexion and body makeup.
08:56It was so jarring for people, you know, seeing your loved one digging his own grave, seeing these people wither and grow pale.
09:05And the worry is that you're going to be on the list of families who are called when their loved ones didn't make it.
09:12And, you know, they prayed and hoped beyond hope.
09:16And this, for them, is something that they were trying to put into words in the Knesset and Israel as President Trump spoke.
09:28And, you know, the speaker of the Knesset said that President Trump is the greatest ally Israel has ever had.
09:36Benjamin Netanyahu said that he was going to nominate President Trump for the Israel Prize, something that no non-Israeli had ever won.
09:44And, you know, when I look at this, I think, would we see a day like this?
09:49I hope that we would have if President Biden hadn't dropped out of the race, if he was by some strange miracle for him reelected, or if Kamala Harris had prevailed.
09:58And it's very hard for me to conceive of a president like this under her leadership.
10:05And, you know, this is the defining moment of his presidency so far.
10:10You know, we're only the first year into his second term.
10:14And, you know, I think that he is very hungry for peace and for more deals.
10:18And the way the world and Democrats have coalesced around him, I think that has to give Russia pause because they feel momentum shifting against them.
10:29And they see how quickly things can change.
10:32And, you know, all you have to do is ask for Rod.
10:33There's also a really interesting mix of a few months of, well, since President Trump was in office,
10:39of soft power through the State Department and the hard power from the Defense Department and Operation Midnight Hammer.
10:44I know that's your nickname. And how that was able to put these puzzle pieces together so that President Trump could bring everybody to the table and get it done.
10:52That went all over my head.
10:54Why?
10:55I don't know anything about soft and hard power.
10:57I do know about Stephanie Power. Amazing in her be rights again.
11:02I want to talk. I'm interested in what's happening like around us.
11:06Like every day you hear how awful Donald Trump is until something like this happens.
11:14And it just goes deathly quiet.
11:17It's just like all of a sudden people go back.
11:19You know what? Maybe that's how they should live their lives.
11:22Do not pay such a close attention to this and go about your lives because you're going to be proven wrong.
11:28I have a suggestion. We have a huge audience.
11:30And the reason why we have a huge audience is because we have a lot of liberals watching.
11:34So if you're watching, here's just one request.
11:38You saw Trump bring Israel and Hamas to the table to make peace.
11:45Maybe draw inspiration from that and call that one person, a relative or a friend, that you deserted or blocked because they voted for Trump.
11:56Just, I mean, this is such a huge deal.
12:00Your little vendetta, it can't be that hard to fix.
12:03You might have a sister-in-law, you might have a cousin, you might have an old friend from college.
12:09Like if those two, if Trump can do that, maybe it's time that you decide that you were a little harsh on your friends and because they happened to see something in Trump that you missed because you did miss it.
12:22I mean, politicians like Joe Biden and the rest, they live in the world of the acceptable.
12:27They accept everything.
12:29There's going to be death.
12:30They accept it.
12:31There's going to be poverty.
12:32They accept it.
12:34They accept everything.
12:35Trump came from the world of the unacceptable.
12:38He came in.
12:39He's like, what's this got to do?
12:40He would ask, why are we doing this?
12:42I don't understand that.
12:44Why do we have all this money there?
12:46I don't get this at all.
12:47I don't like war because he he would not accept the managed decline and the constant death.
12:56He became unacceptable to them, to the people that were in power.
13:00He thought big.
13:02He sees everything as a moonshot.
13:04What could happen?
13:06Maybe not.
13:06Maybe not.
13:06He thought that the impossible was possible.
13:08So I would love for never Trumpers to ask themselves about the possibility that the things that they hated about him are what make him successful.
13:21And perhaps you were your ego was hurt by the fact that he believed that these great things could happen.
13:30And he was persistent and relentless and positive.
13:36And that just seems so alien to you.
13:39If you think about it, where are his critics today?
13:43How small are they?
13:44Because I can't see them.
13:46Where is Bill Kristol?
13:47Where is Adam Kinzinger, Liz Cheney, Gavin Newsom, Vindman?
13:52Where are these people?
13:54We should do a show on Fox Nation called Where Are They Now?
13:58And just do all, because I want to know, how do you look in the mirror when you see, after years of mocking people who had faith in this guy, people who risked a lot of stuff to support Trump that you made fun of, the George Takais of the world that ridiculed him, where are they?
14:18Don't you owe the people that you mocked some kind of apology?
14:23This guy is solving world peace.
14:26He closed the border.
14:27He's trying to reduce crime.
14:31Anyway, they'll find something new.
14:33They will.
14:33They'll wait a full 24 hours.
14:36Yes.
14:36We'll be back at it.
14:37Coming up next, oh, speaking of that, Barack Obama condemns President Trump sending the National Guard to Chicago as Portland bikers, they went naked against ICE.
14:45The stormed Portland, a large group of butt naked cyclists rolling up to the ICE facility in Portland, holding a die in as a way to protest the removal of criminal illegal migrants.
14:58Barack Obama was not among the nude bikers, but he's going on podcasts to warn against the danger of Trump's Chicago military deployment.
15:06So when you now start seeing the politicization of the military deliberately, right?
15:16They just landed in Chicago.
15:17When you see an administration suggest that ordinary street crime is an insurrection or a terrorist act, that is a genuine effort to weaken how we have understood democracy.
15:44Okay, I have no idea what he just said.
15:46We all just tuned out.
15:47That was the most...
15:48We had the longest conversation while he was talking.
15:50Totally.
15:51What is it about him?
15:52What is that guy?
15:53What is it?
15:53I don't know.
15:54It's like, you watch this, you go like, why is this on?
15:57Why are we here?
15:58I don't get it.
15:58I get it.
15:59But I have to give credit to Fox News.
16:01For once, they blurred nudity, and I was pleased.
16:06Do you think when actual nudists see this, they're disgusted by it?
16:12Like, it's amateur hour for them.
16:15It's kind of like alcoholics looking at people getting drunk on New Year's Eve.
16:18And it's like, that's nothing.
16:20That's nothing.
16:22These people...
16:23Why is it always the people you don't want to see naked?
16:26Why can't NFL cheerleaders and Victoria's Secret girls protest?
16:31Don't they get mad?
16:32Don't they get mad?
16:33Instead, we get outpatients from a halfway house.
16:36And it's clear the only time they exercise...
16:38This is the only time they exercise, which is really stupid.
16:41They need to start making disposable bicycle seats
16:43because no one's ever going to touch those bikes again.
16:47I'm going to pretend that I was listening to what Obama said.
16:50I think it's refreshing that Democrats finally are interested in violence.
16:54You know, never mind that this violence is initiated by their radical allies like Antifa,
17:00but they regularly, for years, downplayed rising violence, crime.
17:05They rejiggered the stats that we had to always refute, like, that's not true about D.C.
17:10They mocked victims of crime by saying it wasn't a concern at all.
17:14Oh, I was just in the city of New York, and I had dinner.
17:16There was no crime.
17:17And now they are so concerned about the impression of crime
17:23because the feds have to help protect ICE from these crazy people.
17:29So it's the demonstrations that bring on the atmosphere of crime
17:33that is so troubling to those two boring people we just watched.
17:37Dana Paye.
17:38Well, I think that President Obama, if he wants to go on his friend's podcast,
17:41there's so many other things you could talk about.
17:42And you could tell the friend,
17:43I'm not going to talk about this because I don't want to get in the way,
17:46I don't want to weigh in on this.
17:47Look how cross he is.
17:48Let's talk about all sorts of other things.
17:49But, I mean, when you decide to put yourself out there as a former president,
17:53you're going to make comments about things,
17:54and that's going to rise to the top of the news, hence we have this.
17:56And I don't, I love when local law enforcement is in charge and doing a good job.
18:01I don't like it when any law enforcement is the target.
18:05And recently, of course, we have seen very concrete examples
18:07of federal law enforcement officers like ICE or Border Patrol being attacked.
18:13And so I just wonder if he were to put himself back in the commander-in-chief's shoes
18:18and this were happening, would he do nothing?
18:21Would he not want to solve that problem?
18:24I find that a little hard to believe.
18:26And I think he would have found a way to maybe try to figure out a way to do that.
18:29But because it's President Trump and he is coming down on the side without being realistic
18:35and saying federal law enforcement officers have to be protected,
18:38we have to figure out a way to deal with this problem that Biden caused,
18:42and if just one of these Democrats would be willing to come out and say
18:45Biden really screwed up at that level.
18:48Obviously, there have been Democrats who are not elected leaders
18:51who have said things like that, like people at this table.
18:55But if they would just do that, they might be able to move on from it.
18:59Moveon.org.
19:00Can we move on, Harold?
19:02So I don't have any issue with the National Guard
19:05helping police forces across the country make neighborhoods safer.
19:11Police forces, police departments that don't have enough cops and prosecutors in jails,
19:17and for that matter, training dollars and ammunition,
19:21I think if it's done in a targeted way, as I've said around his table,
19:24many times, I think it's the right thing.
19:27I think we conflate these things a little bit.
19:30I listened to the Republican governor of Oklahoma last week, which we probably all did,
19:34and he said that he would probably have an issue if a Democratic president
19:39ordered a blue state National Guard to come into Oklahoma
19:43to help enforce laws if he didn't want it.
19:46Now, the president has the right to call the National Guard if he believes there's an emergency.
19:50And in this instance here, President Trump has done it,
19:53and he's being challenged in the courts.
19:54And ultimately, the Supreme Court likely will have the final say on whether or not
19:58this is constitutional.
20:00I come back to where I've been on weeks on this as it relates to crime.
20:04Why not pass a crime bill?
20:06The National Guard cannot stay indefinitely in these cities,
20:08Memphis, Portland, D.C., wherever it may be.
20:11What we need are more cops and more prosecutors, more training, in cashless bail,
20:16and these cities will qualify for millions, if not billions of dollars to be able to flow
20:20into their cities for them, as Dana said, for local control to be asserted again,
20:25because they'll have the people and have the resources to enforce the law.
20:28When it comes to ICE facilities, I get it.
20:30If ICE facilities are under threat, and they are, people are being shot, which they have been,
20:36I think it's appropriate for the president.
20:37And to your point, Dana, what would President Obama do if federal facilities
20:41were being attacked as they are right now?
20:43I think that there's a case for that, and I think we'll see what the courts eventually say.
20:48Kennedy?
20:48I've never seen...
20:49What's wrong?
20:50No, you bring up this thing about ending cash bail.
20:52I don't understand.
20:54What is not...
20:55Why aren't we?
20:56Like, we keep bringing this up, and it's like, how come...
20:59And President Trump signed the executive order.
21:01Yeah, isn't it done?
21:02No, it's not.
21:03You need to pass a bill in Congress, and you have Republicans in the majority,
21:06I didn't mean to cut you off in the House and the Senate.
21:08He has not offered a national crime bill with billions and billions of dollars...
21:12Can't you just stop?
21:13You can't.
21:13You can't, because these are local issues.
21:15What you can do is incentivize them to do it, which is saying you won't get any more federal
21:19money to do the crime fighting you want unless you do this.
21:22I would be a huge...
21:23Because we've been talking about this for how long?
21:25For a long time.
21:26I didn't mean to cut you off.
21:27Well, no, I want to bring up the most important point, which is I've never seen tuck-friendly,
21:31true religion jeans.
21:32That was quite a feat.
21:35No wonder Michelle is going all over every medium, her podcast, every newspaper, bad-mouthing
21:41the former president.
21:42Look at the way he's sitting.
21:44We're taking advice from this guy about how to fix things?
21:48Did he get fixed?
21:50It's a little worrisome.
21:52And, you know, I don't disagree with him about the militarization, the federal militarization
21:56of these cities, but these cities have abdicated the responsibility to keep their citizens safe.
22:01And that is something that Keith Wilson and Brandon Johnson and Karen Bass and all of
22:06the other mayors in these beleaguered cities, they won't admit that they've got a problem.
22:11They've got a disconnect between the mayor's office and the DA and law enforcement.
22:17And, you know, they've also got a disconnect with, you know, really targeting recidivist
22:22criminals who are the ones who are, you know, re-offending and committing the worst felonies.
22:29Now, I'm from Portland.
22:30I know I've said that a bunch of times on the show.
22:32In some ways, you know, it's a tale of two cities.
22:35In some ways, you've got Mount Hood.
22:37You've got the Clackamas River where people go kayaking.
22:39You've got the Deschutes River.
22:40You've got world-class whitewater rafting.
22:42You've got people who mountain bike and hike and snowboard.
22:46And then you've got the people who go to the nude bicycling events and they look like
22:50Katie Porter.
22:51And that's just the guys.
22:53So something is wrong in this city.
22:56And we don't need President Trump coming in with a crackdown on the local nudists.
23:01So please don't make him sign that executive order.
23:03Can you imagine if you and I talked about this last week, there are 100 people in New
23:07York City committing half the, 60% of the crime.
23:10I don't understand.
23:11There's a way to do this.
23:12And it's a, anyway.
23:13There's something stopping it.
23:14And I don't know what it is.
23:15You'll blame Democrats.
23:16George Soros.
23:18He absolutely will.
23:19Up next, while Trump racks up peace deals, Kamala keeps getting heckled.
23:26Trump's stacking peace deals.
23:28Kamala's stacking hecklers.
23:29The pro-Hamas freaks were crashing her book tour again.
23:32Watch.
23:33Your legacy is genocide.
23:36You're a criminal.
23:37You're a criminal.
23:39You know what?
23:40I am not President of the United States.
23:42You want to go to the White House and try to handle everything.
23:46Come on, you do that.
23:48That's a tough one, Harold.
23:51Are they applauding that she's not President of the United States?
23:54Are they applauding because the comeback was clever?
23:57Or are they just, I don't know what's going on.
23:59But you have, let's act like there's nobody watching.
24:02You are so happy she lost, right?
24:04Come on.
24:05You were like, you were regretting you vote.
24:07You didn't vote for anyone.
24:08I did vote for her.
24:09This is, look, at the end of the day, she lost.
24:12She ran a failed campaign.
24:13And President Trump, I think as people sit here today, and I think everyone around the
24:18table made the point in the first segment, and you made it, I think, in a way to explain
24:23to people, Greg, that you should reach out to those who were Trump supporters, who you
24:26might have excommunicated.
24:28President Trump has got the first phase of something done that I doubt.
24:31And Kennedy, you asked the question, could Joe Biden or Kamala Harris have done this?
24:35I don't know.
24:35But I think one could make a strong argument that they could not have.
24:38But having said all that, she's on a book tour.
24:41She has every right to do this.
24:42I've said this, and I'm not accusing anyone around the table of doing this.
24:45But I just, I don't, I mean, she's down still.
24:47She still doesn't know where, kind of where she's going.
24:50So I just don't, I don't laugh at people.
24:52I don't kick people.
24:53And because at some point, President Trump, as high as he is today, the next three years
24:57as president, you can always face some sort of toughness and downness.
25:00I don't wish it on him.
25:01If and when that happens, I'm not going to.
25:02The president is not high.
25:03He's dead sober.
25:04But I'm not going to, I am not going to, I am not going to pile on in any way with
25:10that.
25:10But I got to tell you, if she decides to run again, Greg, she's going to have it.
25:14I mean, they're going to give it to her hot and heavy in the worst of ways as she tries
25:17to get her campaign back on, back on track.
25:19Get Willie Brown on the phone.
25:21Because she, she still doesn't have it.
25:23Yeah.
25:23She still doesn't have it.
25:24It's interesting, Kennedy.
25:26Harold is making a point that like, why do, why are we, it kind of like, why are we doing
25:30this?
25:31Even though we know it's fun.
25:32We're just doing it because it's fun.
25:33Well, we're doing it because it's remarkable.
25:36So you, you always have to look at the coalition that presidents put together when they win.
25:42You know, because they're, they're always at a headwind.
25:45Our presidential elections now are pretty tight, not as tight as, you know, she likes
25:50to say.
25:50But what's fascinating about her is the coalition of people who really don't like her.
25:56You know, it's like some of them are just apathetic and some of them look at her and they cannot,
26:03you know, like Chris Eliza the other day was talking about how someone who has been in
26:07politics for so long, for so many years, is so incredibly bad at it.
26:13You know, I think she feels like this is a big, sick burn when she's like, I'm not the
26:17president.
26:17It's like, yeah, for very obvious reasons.
26:20Like, number one, you have a liberal event, like the progressive wing, the most liberal
26:26wing of your party.
26:27They despise you.
26:29You know, that has to absolutely say something about her.
26:32But what's most fascinating to me is in the book, she obviously had to include some juicy
26:37nuggets so people would go out and buy it because her story is really a boring failure.
26:41But she and Gavin Newsom have this bubbling rivalry that is only going to get worse and
26:47worse and worse over the next couple of years because she slagged him in the book.
26:51And now he took a bunch of her staffers and they're going to stick with him when he runs
26:57for president.
26:58And that's going to be the sick burn.
26:59And I can't stand either of them.
27:01Yeah.
27:01You know, Jesse, you are used to heckling.
27:04Even when you tape a show and there's no audience, you still get heckled by the cameraman.
27:08How do you think she handled it?
27:09I walked by your audience waiting in line the other day and I heckled them.
27:13I said, I can't believe you're going to see this guy.
27:16They're only there because it's free, Greg.
27:18They are yelling at Kamala Harris for being a war criminal.
27:22Well, what does that make Trump?
27:23He beat the war criminal and then ended the war.
27:26I don't understand these people with the signs.
27:29The signs, end genocide now.
27:31Remember those signs?
27:32OK, Trump ended the genocide.
27:35Are you still going to call him Hitler after this?
27:37No, of course not.
27:38You can't.
27:39What about Rashida Tlaib?
27:42She's Palestinian.
27:44She hasn't said a thing since this deal's been done.
27:48She hasn't said a thing since Wednesday.
27:50So she was all about the Palestinians, right?
27:53Free Palestine.
27:54Trump freed it.
27:56So are you saying she doesn't care about the Palestinians?
27:59It seems like she was more on the side of Hamas.
28:01It seems like she's quiet, Greg.
28:03You know all these people have been quiet?
28:04Because she actually was more rooting for Hamas.
28:07She's mad Hamas surrendered.
28:09Hmm, that's an interesting thing.
28:11Prove me wrong.
28:13Yes.
28:13It's not up to him to prove his opinion is right.
28:16It's for you to go find out and then tell us about it.
28:20And by then, we've already forgotten.
28:22We've moved on.
28:23Those are the rules.
28:24Those are the rules.
28:25We just say it and then we drive away.
28:28Hey, Dana, what do you say?
28:31Are we being too hard on this lady?
28:32No.
28:33OK, good.
28:33No, no.
28:34OK, I thought about her a lot today for a couple reasons.
28:36First of all, if Democrats choose Kamala Harris in 2028,
28:39that would be like the Democrats going back
28:41and choosing Walter Mondale in 1988.
28:43Mm-hmm.
28:44Or Michael Dukakis in 1996.
28:47Or 1992.
28:48That would have been ridiculous.
28:51She was the first person.
28:53Remember, she made a big deal about this.
28:54On the campaign trail, she would say,
28:56I was the first person to demand a ceasefire
28:59with or without the hostages released.
29:01Those were her words.
29:03Mm-hmm.
29:03And so I think you're making a great point.
29:05Like, so then what would she say about this today?
29:08If you were willing to do a ceasefire
29:11and sacrifice those people who came home today,
29:13that was going to be your solution?
29:17The other, my last point is, I love the Gavin Newsom thing.
29:20And the more she talks on this book tour,
29:21which, please, keep going,
29:24it takes up all the headlines and all the room
29:26from some other Democrat who might emerge
29:29and see if they can do a viable run.
29:32Interesting.
29:33Did she congratulate the president?
29:35Do we know any of the footage?
29:36Did she congratulate him?
29:37Kind of.
29:38Yeah, she did kind of.
29:39Okay, good.
29:40Good.
29:40Oh, well, there you go.
29:41Oh, Jesse, way to prepare.
29:43Kind of.
29:43Kind of.
29:44All right.
29:45Up next, J.D. Vance dunks George Stephanopoulos
29:47in the fake news toilet.
29:49Like.
29:57Swing, let you do that.
29:58Swing, let's do that.
30:00Swing, let's do that.
30:01Swing, let's do that.
30:44Great song. Thank you, Greg.
30:49Veep, J.D. Vance, Smack, and George Stephanopoulos down for asking about bribery allegations surrounding border czar Tom Homan instead of the government shutdown watch.
31:00What was caught on the tape, you're saying right now you don't know whether or not he kept that money.
31:04I don't know what tape you're referring to, George.
31:06Here's, George, why fewer and fewer people watch your program and why you're losing credibility.
31:11Because you're talking for now five minutes with the vice president of the United States about this story regarding Tom Homan.
31:18Right now, we're trying to figure out how to pay our troops because Chuck Schumer has shut down the government.
31:23You were focused on a bogus story.
31:25The American people would benefit much more from that than from you going down some weird left-wing rabbit hole.
31:31It's not a weird left-wing rabbit hole. I didn't insinuate anything.
31:34I asked you whether Tom Homan accepted $50,000, as was heard on an audio tape recorded by the FBI in September 2024, and you did not answer the question.
31:43Thank you for your time this morning.
31:44No, George, I said that I don't.
31:46He's up next. We'll be right back.
31:48Shut him down. That got awkward.
31:50So, Dana, you and George Stephanopoulos share a very similar career trajectory.
31:54You both started in the White House.
31:57You came into the public sphere as communications people talking on behalf of the various presidents that you represented.
32:05And now you're both superstars.
32:08However...
32:08I don't know. I think he would say that he was much more of a bigger star than me.
32:12He's shorter than you.
32:13What did he do wrong there?
32:16Well, I would say everyone gets a choice on what you want to ask about, and the person you're interviewing gets a choice on how they want to answer.
32:25And J.D. Vance is a very skilled communicator, and he can take any topic and turn it around.
32:32And I think one of his main points is that you expect people in the country to be worried about Tom Homan in September 2024 and the FBI tape, and that they've already addressed it.
32:42And maybe not to George Stephanopoulos' satisfaction, okay, but if that's what you choose to answer or to ask about, then J.D. Vance has every right to say, wait, you don't want to talk about the fact that the troops, our troops might not get paid because we can't get the government to work together on this?
32:58And George knows how the whole system works, but again, everybody gets a choice, and that's just the one that George Stephanopoulos made on that day.
33:05All right, so, Jesse, when J.D. Vance says your first name over and over again, are you in trouble?
33:10Probably, but I always think I'm in trouble.
33:13Me, too.
33:13There's no evidence that Homan ever took any bribes, but there's a mountain of evidence that the Biden family did.
33:21Diamonds, cars, cash, millions in wires.
33:24And Stephanopoulos never asked the president about it, never asked Hunter about it, his brothers, never was curious at all.
33:30And these are the new rules, by the way.
33:33Republicans shouldn't condemn anything a Republican does at this point.
33:37After the Democrats are backing a guy that says he wants to put two bullets in Republicans' head, they circled the wagons around that guy.
33:44I think you can circle the wagon around Tom Hoban, because it looks like what the Biden DOJ was doing was going around throwing bags of cash at incoming Trump administration officials.
33:54Those look like dirty political setups and stings.
33:58Now, I assume he didn't take the cash and not report it to the IRS.
34:02I surely hope that's not what happened, but I don't trust the DOJ to not be dirty under Joe Biden.
34:10But you can tell that that's what they're doing.
34:12They're going to hammer this sting hard next time they take power.
34:16Who won the exchange, Harold?
34:18We all lost.
34:19We had a story last week with Katie Porter.
34:21She was on air and decided she didn't like the questions that a CBS reporter was asking her in Los Angeles.
34:27I said that was the wrong thing for her to do.
34:29I think it's wrong.
34:30When I was in politics, I always wanted to have control over what was asking me.
34:36Sometimes things were asking me that I didn't like, that I wish were not.
34:39But when you're in public life, that's part of the responsibility.
34:42Now, to your point, I still don't know what happened with the home and money, if you've got it, if you pay taxes on it.
34:46But that doesn't bother me at all.
34:49What I'm bothered by is when politicians believe they can tell reporters what they're going to answer and what they're not going to answer.
34:55Katie Porter was wrong.
34:57And Vice President Vance, who's a friend, he was wrong in that interview.
34:59But Katie Porter walked out of the interview.
35:01She tried.
35:02She couldn't get her microphone off.
35:03It was, to me, the same thing.
35:04You don't answer the question.
35:05She was terrible.
35:06I don't disagree about that.
35:07I didn't think the Vice President was great there either.
35:10Greg, quid pro quo, Clarice.
35:12I would say that you can't compare the Porter and Vance one because of the political affiliations.
35:21What do you mean by that?
35:22But Vance is Republican and it's different because the media always, always circled their wagons around Democrats.
35:32But Republicans never get that.
35:34So they circled their wagons around Biden when he was in a coma.
35:36They're doing it with everybody else.
35:38So it's exhausted all their credibility.
35:41And that's kind of why, like, when you see Vance do that, he's kind of doing it not just for Vance.
35:47He's doing it for all of us in a way.
35:50It's like you, Harold, and I and everybody here knows what it's like to be the target of the media and how unfair it can be.
35:57Many Americans didn't know that until they voted for Trump, until, like, tens of millions of Trump supporters were smeared every day by their local news and their national news.
36:08They knew what it's like to be to be framed unfairly and dishonestly.
36:13So there's no reason.
36:15I know you probably disagree.
36:17There's no reason to show any respect to Stephanopoulos because he didn't show us any respect.
36:25And I think that's why it doesn't really matter.
36:26It's like we kind of enjoy watching Vance beat up on him, even though it's child abuse.
36:30But it was wrong for that reporter to treat that reporter in California.
36:34And I just I just I just I love you to death.
36:36I differ on that.
36:37Oh, you love me to death.
36:39It's getting interesting.
36:40All right.
36:41Coming up, would you ever let a brand sponsor your wedding?
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