Discover a groundbreaking approach to enhancing brain wellness in this in-depth interview with Dr. Marvin H. Berman, PhD, CEO of the QuietMIND Foundation in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. As a renowned neuropsychophysiologist trained in Bioenergetic Analysis and certified in EEG biofeedback, Dr. Berman has dedicated his career to applying cognitive neuroscience to optimize human performance. Today, he leads the charge in leveraging digital neurotherapeutics, particularly Photobiomodulation (PBM) and neurofeedback, to address neurodegenerative and neuropsychiatric conditions.
Delve into the mechanics of PBM—also known as low-level light therapy (LLLT)—as Dr. Berman elucidates its cellular impact. By harnessing red and near-infrared light, PBM targets mitochondria, the energy centers of cells, to activate cytochrome c oxidase. This triggers increased ATP production, yielding benefits such as diminished inflammation, improved circulation, and bolstered neuroplasticity for brain adaptability. Backed by global research and clinical trials, this non-invasive therapy is gaining traction for supporting conditions including Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, long COVID, depression, and anxiety.
Dr. Berman provides compelling evidence through quantitative EEG (qEEG) data, highlighting PBM's promise in brain health optimization and biohacking for peak performance. Essential viewing for those exploring drug-free, innovative wellness solutions.
Disclaimer: This content is intended for informational and educational purposes only. Dr. Berman's discussion of light therapy draws from ongoing research and clinical practices in a consultative context. It does not constitute medical advice. For any health concerns, including symptoms of depression, anxiety, neurodegenerative disorders, or long COVID, seek guidance from a qualified healthcare provider.
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#Photobiomodulation #BrainHealth #Biohacking #Neurofeedback #PBM #LightTherapy #Neuroplasticity #AlzheimersResearch #Parkinsons #LongCOVID #MentalWellness #CognitivePerformance #QuietMINDFoundation
Delve into the mechanics of PBM—also known as low-level light therapy (LLLT)—as Dr. Berman elucidates its cellular impact. By harnessing red and near-infrared light, PBM targets mitochondria, the energy centers of cells, to activate cytochrome c oxidase. This triggers increased ATP production, yielding benefits such as diminished inflammation, improved circulation, and bolstered neuroplasticity for brain adaptability. Backed by global research and clinical trials, this non-invasive therapy is gaining traction for supporting conditions including Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, long COVID, depression, and anxiety.
Dr. Berman provides compelling evidence through quantitative EEG (qEEG) data, highlighting PBM's promise in brain health optimization and biohacking for peak performance. Essential viewing for those exploring drug-free, innovative wellness solutions.
Disclaimer: This content is intended for informational and educational purposes only. Dr. Berman's discussion of light therapy draws from ongoing research and clinical practices in a consultative context. It does not constitute medical advice. For any health concerns, including symptoms of depression, anxiety, neurodegenerative disorders, or long COVID, seek guidance from a qualified healthcare provider.
As a valued viewer of this channel, you can secure a $500 discount on the 1070nm Neuromatrix Photobiomodulation Headset—a state-of-the-art tool for advancing brain health and cognitive function—via my affiliate link:
https://neuromatrix.health/discount/Suvi500?redirect=%2Fproducts%2Fneuromatrix-headset
Full disclosure: Qualifying purchases through this link may earn me a commission, which helps sustain high-quality content creation. Thank you for your support!
#Photobiomodulation #BrainHealth #Biohacking #Neurofeedback #PBM #LightTherapy #Neuroplasticity #AlzheimersResearch #Parkinsons #LongCOVID #MentalWellness #CognitivePerformance #QuietMINDFoundation
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00:00:00Dr. Marvin Berman, a very, very warm welcome back to the channel.
00:00:06I'm absolutely thrilled to be talking to you again.
00:00:09You are a, let me get this right, neuropsychophysiologist.
00:00:14That's a long word, I know.
00:00:17And you deal with brain health and wellness, don't you?
00:00:21Like you're an expert in that field and you also give expert consultation
00:00:26on photobiomodulation.
00:00:28And neurofeedback integration.
00:00:32Right, and how it all fits together.
00:00:35Yeah, so how it all fits together.
00:00:36So I would love to have a chat to you today.
00:00:39If you actually want to, for people that are new to the channel,
00:00:42just introduce yourself again and what you do and then, yeah,
00:00:47and then we can go from there.
00:00:49Thank you for your time.
00:00:51Oh, you're very welcome.
00:00:52It's great to be with people that you reach out to because what we're trying
00:00:57to do is really reach out to as many people as we can to let them know,
00:01:02especially those people who are struggling with neurodegenerative conditions.
00:01:07I think it's really important that we, you know,
00:01:10we give them an opportunity to understand that there really is an alternative
00:01:17to seeing neurodegeneration or cognitive decline as kind of an inevitability
00:01:24or that there's nothing that can be done.
00:01:26And I think it's really essential that people understand that there really are
00:01:32non-invasive, non-drug ways of addressing cognitive decline and neurodegeneration
00:01:38and other kinds of, you know, systemic disorders.
00:01:41So I got involved from the beginning with my mother and my grandmother.
00:01:50This is kind of the story that everybody ends up telling.
00:01:53Somebody in their family, something happened and, right, well,
00:01:58I came at it from being a research-oriented psychologist and with a body-mind
00:02:06orientation.
00:02:08So I was very interested in the whole idea of psychophysiology and how brain
00:02:15and mind and body work together.
00:02:18That led me to look at the literature in neurology about what happens to people
00:02:26and their brain when they start to lose their memory or they have behavioral changes
00:02:32or they lose their gait, you know, or Parkinson's.
00:02:36So I started looking and found that neurology had been doing many, many years of research
00:02:42on brain electrical activity changes as people progress in, let's take dementia.
00:02:48So there's 40, 50 years of literature about what happens to people as they progress
00:02:54in the process, and they showed that the slower brainwaves, the amount of slower brainwaves
00:03:00goes up and the amount of faster brainwaves goes down as people become more and more involved
00:03:06with dementia.
00:03:08I was like, oh, okay.
00:03:09And I had been studying neurofeedback and EEG biofeedback at the time.
00:03:14So this was like, oh, well, then what did the neurologist do with that information in terms
00:03:22of treatment?
00:03:23Nothing.
00:03:25Why?
00:03:26Because they don't do biofeedback.
00:03:29They do surgery and give out medication.
00:03:34I went, oh, wait.
00:03:36The people who do biofeedback have been doing research and doing clinical work treating people
00:03:45with epilepsy, which would be interesting and important for the neurologist to know, except
00:03:51they were publishing all of their research in the Journal of Neurofeedback.
00:03:58So how many neurologists are reading that journal?
00:04:01So I went, oh, there's a gap.
00:04:10So we, the people at the Quiet Mind Foundation that I started back in 2000, we were doing biofeedback
00:04:18research.
00:04:18And I went, oh, well, why don't we use neurology's own data about the slow and the fast waves and
00:04:28do the same thing that the biofeedback people were doing with epilepsy, which was increasing
00:04:34a certain brain frequency pattern.
00:04:37And they were seeing seizures just decreased to zero with no drugs.
00:04:44And I went, well, okay, let's do that.
00:04:47So we then got people with early to mid-stage dementia, got them to start doing the brainwave
00:04:55biofeedback, where they were learning to decrease the slow and increase the middle range faster
00:05:01waves.
00:05:03We had half of the people coming into the clinic where we were working with them.
00:05:07But then the other half of the group, we actually took the equipment and put it in their living
00:05:13room.
00:05:14And we taught their caregiver how to do it with them so that people couldn't say, oh, it was
00:05:20Dr. Berman and going to the clinic.
00:05:22No, we compared the two groups.
00:05:25There was no difference between the two groups in terms of what happened.
00:05:30And what happened was that the people who actually learned to decrease the slow wave activity and
00:05:37increase the middle range faster activity, they got better on all the memory scores of all
00:05:43the neuropsych testing.
00:05:46And we went, oh, well, there you go.
00:05:49And how were they learning to increase the?
00:05:53Good, good.
00:05:54So it was a really simple protocol because these are people who were having trouble remembering
00:05:59things.
00:06:00So the idea of giving them instructions to follow made no sense.
00:06:05So what we did is we had them choose a video that they would like to watch, a movie or a TV show, whatever
00:06:17they wanted to watch on the screen.
00:06:19And while they were watching it, they were hooked up to the EEG.
00:06:23So their brainwaves were being monitored while they were watching the show.
00:06:28However, we set up a protocol that would monitor the pattern of EEG activity in those slow and
00:06:40faster ranges.
00:06:41And whenever they exceeded a certain level in the slow activity, we would then cut the volume
00:06:49and the brightness of what they were looking at instantly by 75%.
00:06:54But then as soon as they started doing what we wanted them to do with the brain activity,
00:07:01the full brightness and volume would come back over and over and over and over.
00:07:07And they came in for over the course of two months.
00:07:11They did this three to five times a week.
00:07:15So the stimulation was forcing their brain to increase the brainwave activity again.
00:07:21And so their brain was going, oh, I want to watch the movie.
00:07:26Wait a minute.
00:07:28Why did the movie go away?
00:07:30Oh, and then they would focus back on the movie and the brightness would come back.
00:07:35So over and over and over again, their brain was getting conditioned
00:07:39to perform at a different level and produce a different pattern of electrical activity.
00:07:50And that's basically what reward conditioning is, right?
00:07:55When we train ourselves to do anything, right?
00:07:58When we train a dog, right?
00:08:00To do something, we're rewarding them whenever they do the thing we want them to do.
00:08:06Pavlov's dog.
00:08:07How interesting.
00:08:07This is not Pavlov.
00:08:10It's the other guy, Skinner.
00:08:11Skinner.
00:08:12Oh, right.
00:08:12Okay.
00:08:12Yeah.
00:08:13Yeah.
00:08:13Yeah.
00:08:13It's the pigeon.
00:08:14It's the pigeon in the box with the food pellet.
00:08:16Right.
00:08:17How interesting though.
00:08:20So except we're the pigeon.
00:08:22Yeah.
00:08:23And the TV and the video is the food pellet.
00:08:28How interesting.
00:08:29So when the brain.
00:08:30So that's what neurofeedback.
00:08:31That's what neurofeedback is.
00:08:33How interesting.
00:08:34So when the brain's generating those faster brainwaves again, you reward it.
00:08:40And how fascinating.
00:08:42Really fascinating.
00:08:43And when it decreases the slow waves, you reward it again.
00:08:46Yeah.
00:08:48So if you do, if you practice, right, then you develop a new habit.
00:08:53And the new habit is a more normal pattern of brain electrical activity.
00:09:00So that's what neurofeedback was.
00:09:03Yeah.
00:09:03Now, while we were doing that research, one of the husbands of one of the people that we
00:09:12were working with sent me an email.
00:09:16The subject line was, what the hell is this?
00:09:19I opened it up and it's a, an article from the Daily Mail.
00:09:28And I went, oh no, this guy is off the deep end.
00:09:32Why is he reading the Daily Mail and sending me articles?
00:09:36What's going on here?
00:09:37You know, he must be nuts.
00:09:39I then looked at the article and went, oh, this is an article about a paper published in
00:09:48the British Journal of Neuroscience.
00:09:50Oh, okay, fine.
00:09:53Then I go read the real journal article.
00:09:56I read the references and I'm going, huh.
00:10:00And the article in the mail said, UK researchers reverse dementia with infrared light.
00:10:13When you first read something like that, it's like, sure.
00:10:17And the Martians took my sister, right?
00:10:21But then I realized when I read the paper, wait a minute, these guys are not kidding.
00:10:26And this was the, this was Durham University Department of Pharmacology.
00:10:31These were serious scientists.
00:10:36Okay.
00:10:37So I called the guy who sent me the article and I said, you know, I can't really punch
00:10:44a hole in what they're saying.
00:10:45It's pretty weird, but I don't think they're kidding.
00:10:49And they really are getting results.
00:10:51Do you want me to go to England and get one of their gizmos and bring it back for your
00:10:57wife?
00:10:59So this guy said, well, see if they'll come here.
00:11:03And he had a lot of zeros after his name.
00:11:07You know what I mean?
00:11:09Oh, okay.
00:11:11Hello.
00:11:12Right.
00:11:12So I'm calling these people from nowhere.
00:11:15Hello.
00:11:16You don't know me from a hole in the wall, but what would it take to bring your gizmo?
00:11:21To Villanova, Pennsylvania for this guy's wife.
00:11:27Six weeks later, we're in Villanova, Pennsylvania, and we're putting the helmet on her.
00:11:35We had already done the testing with her for memory.
00:11:39She had a primary progressive aphasia, which is where you lose your words.
00:11:43She had been doing pretty well with getting her words back with neurofeedback, but it was
00:11:50still, she was really still compromised.
00:11:53So we set up this protocol to do it twice a day for six minutes, twice a day, morning and
00:12:01afternoon.
00:12:02My research assistant goes over in the morning and I was going over in the afternoon.
00:12:07In the morning, about two and a half weeks into the process, my, actually, the assistant
00:12:16comes back, tears.
00:12:19What's the matter?
00:12:20Oh, my God.
00:12:22Mrs.
00:12:22Oh, they got into such a fight and she was yelling and they were yelling.
00:12:26And I was like, what?
00:12:27What happened?
00:12:28Oh, she was yelling at him that where does he get off making plans to go see their son
00:12:33in Oregon without consulting her?
00:12:36I'm like, wait a minute.
00:12:36Wait a minute.
00:12:38Did all those words come out of her mouth at once?
00:12:42Oh, no.
00:12:43They were yelling back and forth.
00:12:45It was terrible.
00:12:46She was, it was like in the middle of this, the phone rings.
00:12:49Hello?
00:12:52Oh, my God.
00:12:53It's the husband.
00:12:54Oh, my God.
00:12:55I can't believe it.
00:12:56She was so pissed.
00:12:57I got my wife back.
00:12:59Click.
00:13:02Really brings tears to my eyes because it's, it's so, it's just so funny about a couple
00:13:09that obviously love each other so much and he's obviously gone to the ends of the earth
00:13:14to help her and the first interaction they have is a fire.
00:13:18It's a huge, huge argument and I'm left looking at the phone, right?
00:13:27What, what just happened?
00:13:29It's a fancy story.
00:13:31This woman, this woman couldn't, couldn't complete a sentence and now I'm being told that they're
00:13:35having a five minute, 10 minute argument.
00:13:39Kind of like, and then it, then it clicked, right?
00:13:44That the light stimulation had increased the level of available energy in her brain so that
00:13:56the neurofeedback training actually could take hold.
00:14:02Yeah.
00:14:02And so it really was the combination.
00:14:06It was like, oh, right.
00:14:08It's not one or the other.
00:14:10It's both.
00:14:12And that set the, that set the path for the next, I mean, that was 2008.
00:14:19Is it a little bit like in simple terms, if you're studying for an exam and you're trying
00:14:27to memorize a journal article, but then you bring a cup of coffee in and maybe the caffeine
00:14:34and the, and the, and the reading together.
00:14:36So the reading alone might get you so far, the coffee on its own.
00:14:40Well, I don't know, you know, like, but you put them together.
00:14:43Maybe so it's, it's, it's, it's, um, it's a kick, kick up the backside, maybe a little
00:14:47bit, or it's increasing.
00:14:51Yeah.
00:14:51And it's increasing the production of specific patterns of brain electrical activity.
00:14:59Yeah.
00:15:01But what the caffeine can do, it can only do short term.
00:15:07Yeah.
00:15:07Just like sugar can do, can boost your energy, but then you crash.
00:15:15So what this was telling me and, and has been borne out many, many times now with lots of
00:15:23different people is that all neurodegenerative disorders boil down to two things, lack of
00:15:32blood flow and inflammation.
00:15:35Oh, right.
00:15:36So, okay.
00:15:38So it's because this, this is a really big thing.
00:15:41Like I noticed that in our media here in Australia, they're talking about dementia and Alzheimer's
00:15:46as the biggest health risk that at this country is going to be facing.
00:15:50And I think it's going to be the leading cause of death.
00:15:53Cause we have aging population here in Australia has a lot of different parts of the world.
00:15:57So you're saying that, you know, how you said the slow brain, brainwave activity.
00:16:02So yes.
00:16:03Are you saying that it's the inflammation and lack of blood flow that then causes the brainwave
00:16:08activity to slow?
00:16:10Okay.
00:16:11So it starts with the physiological.
00:16:13Oh, absolutely.
00:16:15And, and maybe, you know, the genetic end of it is apparently less, less significant than
00:16:24we thought, but it's still there with certain people like the APOE4 genetic marker.
00:16:31But even in those cases, there are people who have significantly altered the slope of decline, even
00:16:40with APOE4.
00:16:42So it's clear that there's plenty that you can do about that and that photobiomodulation as
00:16:52a single intervention has been shown.
00:16:56And I have a couple of slides that I can show has been shown to be effective in improving
00:17:03or remediating a large number of the deficits that seem to lead to the onset of dementia.
00:17:10So if you needed to do one thing, one thing could be using light, light therapy.
00:17:19So what sort of when you, yeah, when you said it, it can mitigate a lot of these things.
00:17:24What, what, like, so what improved blood flow?
00:17:27So what's the, oh, yeah, doing inside?
00:17:29Oh, absolutely.
00:17:31Um, in fact, I can pop, I can pop a slide up.
00:17:36So Dale Bredesen is a professor of pharmacology, and he wrote a book called The End of Alzheimer's
00:17:43quite a while ago.
00:17:44Yeah.
00:17:44And when he did, he was talking about all of the different lifestyle and pharmacological
00:17:51factors that can interfere with people being able to remember.
00:17:58And dementia simply means memory loss.
00:18:00Yeah.
00:18:00He came up with 36 items that he saw as being significant.
00:18:06And he then developed a program, a therapeutic program for people to mitigate each of those
00:18:20different areas.
00:18:21And he would evaluate each person individually to see how they were functioning on each of
00:18:27those 36 different things.
00:18:30He would then prescribe whatever it is that was necessary to help improve all of them.
00:18:37So he had 10 people that he did this with, who all had significant dementia to the point
00:18:44where they could no longer go to work, they couldn't work, they couldn't drive.
00:18:49Yeah.
00:18:50Within less than a year, I think it was nine months of doing this program, nine out of the
00:18:5710 people were back at work.
00:19:00And functioning fine.
00:19:03So it's fascinating and very well documented.
00:19:09They're now doing another broader, bigger study on that right now.
00:19:17They're doing another study.
00:19:18And it's a multi-center qualitative study and quantitative study on their protocols.
00:19:24Now, what the slide is showing on the right-hand side, right, on the left-hand side are all
00:19:33the factors, all the different factors.
00:19:35Yeah.
00:19:36On the right-hand side are the peer-reviewed publications showing how photobiomodulation
00:19:44positively influences all but one of them.
00:19:48Oh, I can't say that.
00:19:53Oh, how fascinating.
00:19:56And our papers and other people's, these are all our publications and all the other people's
00:20:01publications.
00:20:02Oh, that's fascinating.
00:20:03There's all of these along with it.
00:20:09So there, so if you see what I mean, there's these, and then there's this many more.
00:20:15And all of these are addressable using photobiomodulation in some form.
00:20:24How fascinating, because I know that they talk about trying to prevent or delay neurodegeneration
00:20:32or delay Alzheimer's or Parkinson's even with lifestyle factors like exercise.
00:20:40I mean, that would be then increasing blood flow to your brain, good diet, socializing,
00:20:45all of that sort of thing.
00:20:46So if, so I guess the red light therapy is then, that is increasing your blood flow.
00:20:54So I guess if you're doing, if you're addressing it as best you can with lifestyle as well, then
00:20:59how can the red light therapy come in and it probably what boosts your efforts?
00:21:04So if we go back to kind of early or high school understanding about biology, right?
00:21:16And we look, and we know about the mitochondria, right?
00:21:19We know that the food that we eat turns into sugar and that gets absorbed by the mitochondria
00:21:25and increases the production of ATP, adenosine triphosphate.
00:21:30Well, it turns out that one of the proteins in the mitochondria is called cytochrome C oxidase.
00:21:37It's the last protein in the chain.
00:21:40That protein is a chromophore, which means it can accept photons of light.
00:21:47It absorbs light energy.
00:21:50So just one protein in that chain.
00:21:53And it's the end protein that absorbs it.
00:21:55Now, what that means is that within the band of 700 to 1100 nanometers, those photons of infrared, near-infrared light,
00:22:06when they hit the mitochondria, the mitochondria can absorb that packet of light energy and treat it as if it was food.
00:22:17Ah.
00:22:17So it's another way to nourish, literally nourish, ourselves directly.
00:22:31That makes so much sense.
00:22:33So that's why it can help with everything from skin health to...
00:22:38Fill in the blank.
00:22:39...brain health.
00:22:40Wow.
00:22:43So eating...
00:22:45I mean, this sounds like a no-brainer.
00:22:47I mean, all this sounds like a stupid question, but eating more food wouldn't do anything to this...
00:22:53Like, so...
00:22:54Like, if you say it can nourish or sort of nourish your mitochondria like food can,
00:23:00you can't replace that with more food.
00:23:03This is a new pathway that comes in, obviously, yeah.
00:23:06It's an additional source of energy.
00:23:12Now, another kind of way of thinking about it proportionally is that when we were doing the research with the 1070 helmet,
00:23:21remember that big, goofy-looking thing I showed you?
00:23:24Right, the Darth Vader?
00:23:26Yeah.
00:23:26So we were using a more powerful device for the research, which I then modified into the Neuradiant and now the Neuromatrix.
00:23:34But what we were delivering in six minutes, it would take someone being at the equator at noon for 100 hours in a row
00:23:54to get the equivalent amount of near-infrared light that you're getting in six minutes from the device.
00:24:06So it's like any other pharmaceutical drug.
00:24:10You're taking something from nature, but just bringing it down to just that powerful thing that you need
00:24:23and delivering it in a powerful way, yeah.
00:24:25Right.
00:24:26We're selecting and having a more directed influence on a particular biological system.
00:24:34With the light, we are doing something that is completely natural and fundamental in the most fundamental sense to support life.
00:24:54So that 85% of the reason that there's life on Earth is because of near-infrared light.
00:25:04We did.
00:25:05Yeah.
00:25:06Because I've been looking a lot on sleep studies as well, like, you know, trying to get maximum sleep hygiene.
00:25:12And that's what they're saying, that we evolved with the light.
00:25:16We evolved to, you know, wake up with the light, go to bed with the light.
00:25:19And, of course, at the moment, obviously, we can't but be in the sun for that long anyway because of the skin cancer risk and all of that.
00:25:27Right, right.
00:25:28So 20 minutes, I mean, it's recommended that if you want to get your sleep improving and re-normalizing your sleep,
00:25:39then you want to get about 20 minutes of sunlight on your face, on your hands, between dawn and 10.30 in the morning.
00:25:50Yep.
00:25:51Yep.
00:25:52So that the light is hitting your eye at the right angle and it stimulates the production of melatonin, which you use then at night to get normal, to get sleep.
00:26:06Yeah.
00:26:07Yeah.
00:26:07And that's the cycle.
00:26:08So us having blue light and other kinds of light at night messes up the cycle.
00:26:17And that's why a lot of people are having trouble.
00:26:20Yeah.
00:26:21Yeah.
00:26:22Yeah.
00:26:22So this renormalizes the circadian rhythm.
00:26:26Yeah.
00:26:26Yeah.
00:26:27Because we only recommend that people do the photobiomodulation during the day when the sun is out.
00:26:34And when you're, it's not, then not at night because you're supposed to go back in the cave and go to sleep.
00:26:42I get it.
00:26:44I do get it.
00:26:45Yeah.
00:26:45Yeah.
00:26:45So for 200,000 years.
00:26:47Yeah.
00:26:48Yeah.
00:26:49So, so the light is, so, so let's talk about then exactly what the red and infrared light is doing to our brain.
00:26:56And that's unique that we probably couldn't really get from other sources.
00:27:00So it's an additional, it's an additional source of energy.
00:27:03It's boosting that mitochondrial energy.
00:27:06It can reduce inflammation.
00:27:10Absolutely.
00:27:11It can increase blood flow.
00:27:13Because it's also influencing the flexibility of the blood vessel tissue.
00:27:22The tissue inside the blood vessel, it's called endothelial tissue.
00:27:27Yeah.
00:27:28So as we get older, atherosclerosis, the blood vessels aren't as flexible.
00:27:37Yeah.
00:27:37If they're not as flexible, you don't get as much blood flow.
00:27:41So how is it increasing the flexibility of these tiny blood vessels?
00:27:47The, the light influences the tensile flexibility of the endothelial tissue itself.
00:27:53It, it warms it up.
00:27:56Oh, interesting.
00:27:57And so when it gets, so it gets more flexible by absorbing the energy, again, absorbing the energy from the light photons and gaining and increasing the flexibility of the tissue inside the blood vessel.
00:28:14So that it means that you can have the expansion, you can increase the expansion of the inside diameter of the micro vessels.
00:28:24So the blood can then get further out to the edges of the cortex.
00:28:32And that's what happens as we develop, you know, dementia and other kinds of aging are, we're losing brain blood flow to the edges of our cortex.
00:28:45And that's why we're losing neurons.
00:28:46Is that why the brain is then shrinking?
00:28:50No blood flow, no growth, no growth.
00:28:55Goodbye.
00:28:56Interesting.
00:28:57So if you have had some brain shrinkage, can you, with these, can you increase it again?
00:29:06Sure.
00:29:06And you, I mean, there's also been evidence shown of, I think, an 11% increase in brain volume from meditation practice.
00:29:16True.
00:29:17Now, why, why would that, yeah, why would that be, do you think?
00:29:22Relaxation.
00:29:23Yeah.
00:29:24Increase, right.
00:29:25Broadening your brain's activity, not being, not being so hyper-focused on survival, but being more internally focused, more relaxed, allowing for more flexibility to happen, not being, not being stuck in a rut of thinking.
00:29:51How interesting.
00:29:52So by doing the mindfulness meditation practice, people increase their brain blood volume.
00:30:02We're now seeing that the photobiomodulation in the neuromatrix, the new version of the device that I have now, there's now programming for a meditation protocol.
00:30:17Ah.
00:30:17So we can stimulate people who are not meditators.
00:30:23Yeah.
00:30:24We can take people who've never meditated before, and they can sit with the protocol, and it will systematically stimulate a slightly faster and faster and higher and higher level of activity in the brain,
00:30:42leading to a state of deeper internal focus and relaxation.
00:30:49How fascinating.
00:30:51Yeah.
00:30:52Yeah.
00:30:52That's really fascinating.
00:30:53So if you're, so you work with people that are struggling with neurodegenerative conditions.
00:31:00Oh, yeah.
00:31:00So if you did have, say, a diagnosis of a condition, how can red and infrared light therapy then help this person?
00:31:12Well, from the beginning, we, I have been doing an evaluation and an intake and a kind of systematic evaluation that's more comprehensive about their lifestyle and what's happening, what their history is, other challenges.
00:31:32And I'm especially interested in early childhood trauma.
00:31:38And there's a questionnaire that we include called the ACE questionnaire, which is 10 questions.
00:31:44And we, I found consistently that people with higher ACE scores are the ones who are developing neurodegenerative and neuropsychiatric and other kinds of health conditions sooner and sooner and with more severity.
00:32:03So there's a direct relationship between that early childhood trauma and people's predispositions to various kinds of health conditions.
00:32:12The mind and body really aren't separate.
00:32:15That's the bottom line.
00:32:18So we work with getting people to become aware of those things and start doing things to take care of themselves and deal with their feelings more,
00:32:29but also to then evaluate using quantitative EEG, the brain mapping process.
00:32:37So we do a brain mapping process that's a non-invasive recording of EEG, brain electrical activity, at 19 predetermined locations.
00:32:48We can then compare someone's voltage, the literal voltage coming from the brain.
00:32:53We can measure that and compare it against a normative database that's broken out by age and gender.
00:33:02So if you were to do the brain map, we would then compare your readings against the average of the women who are a year or so above or below you.
00:33:13And we can then see where you are on the different areas of your brain and whether they're above or below normal in their amount of voltage
00:33:24and also in the patterns of activity, which they call neural connectivity, right?
00:33:30How are the connections looking, right?
00:33:32And so there's an awful lot of data there that we can then analyze.
00:33:37And then from that, we can then program the protocols for the photobiomodulation.
00:33:45And what I did with the new version of, well, the original version of the meridian was to divide up the helmet into four quadrants,
00:33:58a front, a back, a left and a right.
00:33:59So here we're able to differentially stimulate those areas so that we can influence them in the right direction independent of each other.
00:34:13So we can take, we have a much more granular, a more specific, a more customized way of delivering the light so that we get more rapid and lasting results.
00:34:25So that's the photobiomodulation part of it.
00:34:33The neurofeedback part of it would then be to use the same exact QEEG data to then even more specifically modify the different patterns and networks of activity using that operant conditioning paradigm.
00:34:49So the light therapy increases the brain's capacity to make good use of the subsequent neurofeedback training.
00:35:01So you would do the light before you do the neurofeedback training.
00:35:06It's kind of like warming up before you then work out in the gym.
00:35:10It's literally the same.
00:35:11It's literally the same thing, really.
00:35:13It's literally the same.
00:35:15How interesting.
00:35:17So you're using that real data from someone's brain to work out where the gaps are, say, and then to actually boost them using the light therapy.
00:35:29And it's really important that our perspective is that what we're doing doesn't have to do with specific disease processes.
00:35:38It doesn't have to do with diagnoses, right?
00:35:41This isn't a medical device, right?
00:35:46This is not a medical treatment.
00:35:48And it's important people understand that, right?
00:35:51It's not FDA approved.
00:35:52It's not a medical treatment.
00:35:55But it is a way, from our point of view, of enhancing brain health and wellness by increasing the efficiency by which the brain is functioning.
00:36:09That brain efficiency is different than brain pathology.
00:36:14Yeah.
00:36:14So we're really focused on enhancing the underlying fundamental efficiency of our central nervous system.
00:36:23Yeah.
00:36:23And that's how we focus all of what we do.
00:36:27Yeah.
00:36:27So a bit like sending your brain to the gym.
00:36:32Quite literally, right?
00:36:36It's going to the gym from the neck up.
00:36:40That's great.
00:36:41And you, with the scientific data that you're getting, can steer the brain as to which of the equipments is going to be best for it, whether it's the bike or the bike.
00:36:55Right.
00:36:55And like in the gym, you've got the card so that you can see how many reps did you do, right?
00:37:05How much weight did you use?
00:37:07What was the setting of that machine?
00:37:08And you've got the specific data of how well are you doing?
00:37:13And you also have how well, how are you feeling?
00:37:17So it's literally the same thing because it's measurable, it's specific, right?
00:37:27It's the same thing.
00:37:29We're just measuring something else that's changing in the body.
00:37:35And it's the way your brain is functioning, electrically, neurophysiologically, and physiologically.
00:37:45So the light, how can it influence all three?
00:37:48So the electric impulses, how can it help the electrical impulses work better, I guess you could say?
00:37:56Well, Dr. DeRitter published a paper a while ago in Nature, and he was talking about how brain biofeedback was able to modify people's brain electrical activity using that idea of operant conditioning.
00:38:15And what Dr. DeRitter showed was that people with PTSD and depression all showed significant improvement when they did this particular kind of neurofeedback.
00:38:26And then he said, however, what he saw happening was that after weeks to months, after they finished treatment, they started to regress.
00:38:39And what he said was it seemed like they were running out of gas.
00:38:46And I saw that and said, you know, I think I've got the gas station.
00:38:52So he's now using photobiomodulation to influence the sustaining, right, the robustness of the neurofeedback training by increasing the available energetic resources in the brain on a regular basis.
00:39:16And that by doing that, the brain efficiency becomes self-reinforcing because our brain is always looking for the more efficient way to do everything.
00:39:32Yeah.
00:39:32That's what the cortex job is, right, to find the most efficient.
00:39:37That's it, homeostasis.
00:39:39It's always looking, the goal is always to burn the least number of calories in order to perform the task.
00:39:47Ah, right.
00:39:49It's at that very basic, basic level of functional efficiency.
00:39:56Like metabolic, that makes sense.
00:39:58It's literally, it's literally that.
00:40:01Yeah.
00:40:01And so we're always looking for the more efficient way to do that.
00:40:06Yeah.
00:40:06However, the upper cortex paradigm for learning, according to Moshe Feldenkrais, who's a physicist who developed the Feldenkrais method and who looked at human movement and analyzed it from a physics point of view and understood that we're always looking for the more efficient way to do things.
00:40:30But the upper cortex learns by rote repetition, right?
00:40:38Subcortical learning, the lower part of the brain learning, right, does not use rote repetition.
00:40:45It uses parsimony.
00:40:47It uses efficiency.
00:40:49So when you teach the lower, when you teach somebody at the lower brain level, how to do something more efficiently, it drops the old way and adopts the new way and locks it in like that.
00:41:06Oh.
00:41:08It's not practice makes perfect.
00:41:11It's, oh, that's easier.
00:41:15Thank you very much.
00:41:16I'm going to do that from now on.
00:41:19And is that what the brain, is that how it's adapting to the light therapy?
00:41:24The light therapy is increasing the brain's capacity to make those kinds of discriminations about what is the more or less efficient way to do fill in the blank.
00:41:37Ah, right.
00:41:39Everything.
00:41:40Yep, yep.
00:41:41So we're always trying to find the more efficient way to do whatever it is, moment to moment, right?
00:41:50So I've used the term adaptive response capacity, ARC.
00:41:57Okay.
00:41:57And that what we're always trying to do is increase our ability to respond adaptively.
00:42:07Okay, yeah.
00:42:08And so the light therapy and the neurofeedback are ways of educating ourselves, right, at different levels of educating and informing ourselves about how we can approach responding more efficiently.
00:42:28Period.
00:42:31It's such an interesting topic.
00:42:32And I think the health, the brain health and wellness is relevant to people of all ages now, I think, isn't it?
00:42:40Like, it's.
00:42:41Oh, yeah.
00:42:42Yeah.
00:42:43Like, people are really looking to, I think, increase their health and wellness across the board.
00:42:48And brain health has become one of those real topics that probably wasn't talked about, like, maybe 20 years ago or something.
00:42:56But now it's, it's kind of in, you know, it's trending.
00:43:02I've been, yeah, I've been, I've been talking about it for a long time.
00:43:05You see the kind of flat spot on my forehead?
00:43:08Yeah, but it's become more mainstream, hasn't it?
00:43:11Like, like, yeah, a lot of people are very aware of it.
00:43:15I can, yeah, I can show, I can show you, I can show you another slide about that.
00:43:22So, as of September 14th of this year, these are the numbers of publications listed in the archives of PubMed.
00:43:36You know, the research database.
00:43:40So, these are just search terms that we put into PubMed.
00:43:45And this is, those are the numbers of publications that we're now seeing.
00:43:50Yeah, wow.
00:43:50Oh, that's, and, and I'm interested in the 1070 as well, that, that nanometer.
00:43:58Why you choose the 1070?
00:44:00Is that, is that the one that's the most, it can penetrate the deepest?
00:44:05It is, it is a way of penetrating deeper.
00:44:09But it, there, there are also some other, some other reasons why we might, why we might want to do that.
00:44:17So, what, what Dr. Lee, Hunley Liu, and Greg Pruitt at the University of Texas in Arlington, they took a laser for 800 nanometer laser.
00:44:29Yeah.
00:44:30And a 1064 laser.
00:44:32Yeah.
00:44:32And they shined it on the forearm of a person.
00:44:36And then they used what's called functional near-infrared spectroscopy to measure the changes in oxygenation in the, in the blood.
00:44:45And also the production of that stuff, cytochrome C oxidase, which is the output of the mitochondria.
00:44:53So, they were measuring those two very important components.
00:44:57And what they showed was that the 1064, right, you can see in the, in the oxygenated hemoglobin, the 1064 is producing 100% more.
00:45:11Yeah.
00:45:12Yeah.
00:45:13Right?
00:45:13And, and in the cytochrome C oxidase, it's also producing 100% more.
00:45:20The pink area of the, of the square, of the slide, this pink area is the amount of time that the light was shining on the person was 10 minutes.
00:45:30Okay.
00:45:31Yeah.
00:45:31So, after 10 minutes, there was 100% more cytochrome C oxidase and oxygenated hemoglobin being created by the 1064, 1070.
00:45:42Yeah.
00:45:43Compared to the 800.
00:45:44Another interesting feature is that they were using lasers, but then they used LEDs.
00:45:53Okay.
00:45:54Yep.
00:45:55And they compared 800 nanometer laser and 800 nanometer LED light.
00:46:03And that's what the bottom, that's what this bottom one is.
00:46:07So, what we can, so what we can see is that the laser certainly produced more over time.
00:46:18The LED continued to produce more, but then they turned the light off and then the laser started to drop.
00:46:30You see that?
00:46:32Yeah.
00:46:33At the end.
00:46:34The LED continued to increase after they turned the light off.
00:46:41Oh.
00:46:43So, it had a slower, it had a, it kept working after the, even after the light was, was turned off.
00:46:49And that goes back to the idea that if you're only hitting a specific area, you're only stimulating the mitochondria at that spot.
00:47:03Oh.
00:47:04But if you're using LEDs, you're stimulating a much larger area and therefore hitting more mitochondria with the photons of light.
00:47:17Yeah.
00:47:18So, it continues to increase the response because you've hit more area.
00:47:25So, the reason why you want to use a helmet instead of a panel is because you're covering more area and you're directing the photons just the same way you would with a magnifying glass on a leaf with the sun.
00:47:45You're focusing the light down to a point and generating more energy.
00:47:52So, that's what's happening with the helmet.
00:47:53You're generating more light that's getting concentrated down into deeper and deeper regions of the brain.
00:48:01Yeah.
00:48:02Yeah.
00:48:03How fascinating.
00:48:05Yeah, really.
00:48:05I like this.
00:48:06They did some really good work here.
00:48:08It was really very helpful.
00:48:09So, tell me how you're using red and infrared light therapy in your daily life then as a practitioner.
00:48:16So, with your patients.
00:48:19I'm using it with people almost exclusively now having them get the device and use it at home.
00:48:28And then we do this kind of remote consultation.
00:48:33I can send people to a local practitioner.
00:48:38There are lots and lots of people in Australia who I work with.
00:48:41And they go to see a practitioner that I know who does the recording of the EEG.
00:48:48They just email me the raw data.
00:48:51I use my software to do the analysis.
00:48:54Right?
00:48:55And then we look at the pictures.
00:48:57We can just look at the pictures of what we find.
00:49:00Let me give you another share.
00:49:05This is the quantitative EEG.
00:49:08And this was from the research that we did in Texas at the Baylor Scott and White Hospital Department of Neurosurgery.
00:49:17And this is the placebo group.
00:49:19So, we did a multi-site randomized placebo control trial where people took the devices home.
00:49:26And we measured their brain activity, compared it against norms, like I said, by age and gender.
00:49:34And this is what we saw in the placebo group.
00:49:36And you can see, remember that I talked about the slow waves?
00:49:40Yeah.
00:49:40It goes from slow to fast.
00:49:42These are the overactive slow waves.
00:49:46And you can see there's considerable amount of slow.
00:49:49And remember the blue meant deficient.
00:49:51So, there was a considerable deficiency in the faster brain waves.
00:49:56Here's the group that did the treatment.
00:50:00Oh, wow.
00:50:05It's quite a bit different.
00:50:07How fascinating.
00:50:09So, and yeah.
00:50:11Like, I don't know.
00:50:12You probably know that my husband's actually a medical doctor.
00:50:15And he's always said that blood tests don't lie.
00:50:19You know, like.
00:50:20And so, the EEG would be very similar, wouldn't it?
00:50:23Because these scientific results, they are just showing you what it is.
00:50:28Right.
00:50:28This is not Marvin Berman's opinion.
00:50:31Yeah.
00:50:31And it's not the patient's opinion either.
00:50:33It's not the patient saying, I feel better.
00:50:35This is like actual results.
00:50:38Yeah.
00:50:38Right.
00:50:39This is not about that.
00:50:41Yeah.
00:50:41How fascinating.
00:50:42So, it's much more straightforward this way.
00:50:48Yeah.
00:50:48And that's why I like it.
00:50:49Because it helps, especially with people, like young people who have anxiety or depression,
00:50:57or especially athletes, people who've gotten hit, you know, in the head.
00:51:01Yeah.
00:51:02And hurt.
00:51:03Instead of them judging themselves as being somehow inadequate.
00:51:09Yeah.
00:51:10Right.
00:51:10I'm lazy.
00:51:12I'm mentally ill.
00:51:14Wait.
00:51:15No, no, no, no, no.
00:51:15Look.
00:51:17You got hurt.
00:51:19I don't know when.
00:51:21You can tell me when you got hurt, maybe.
00:51:24But we're looking at you having gotten injured.
00:51:27And you have yet to recover.
00:51:30Period.
00:51:31Oh, I love that.
00:51:32You're not lazy.
00:51:34You're not crazy.
00:51:36You're not.
00:51:36It has nothing to do with how you felt about your mother.
00:51:42It's none of that.
00:51:44I love that.
00:51:45I really, really love that.
00:51:47That would.
00:51:48Yeah.
00:51:49Especially when you're talking about things like the anxiety, depression, you know, going
00:51:53down the mental health.
00:51:54You're not labeling.
00:51:56Like, you know, you're just looking at the physiology.
00:51:59It's, I really love that.
00:52:01That's great.
00:52:02It's really looking at it from a medical, medicalized point of view, rather than just
00:52:06like you said, labels.
00:52:08Right.
00:52:09Right.
00:52:09And it's like, this is, this is the reality of what's going on in your brain.
00:52:13Yeah.
00:52:14Really, no, really, no kidding.
00:52:16Yeah.
00:52:16Yeah.
00:52:17Yeah.
00:52:18And, and, and it's not something to judge.
00:52:21It's something to understand.
00:52:22And now, how about we make a plan to modify what we're looking at?
00:52:28How fascinating.
00:52:29So let's take then depression, say.
00:52:33Sure.
00:52:33You look at a brain with, is that also going down the slow, more slow brain waves or what's
00:52:40happening there?
00:52:41To some degree it is, but there's also specific patterns in certain kinds of depression where
00:52:46you can see that there's too much, there's too much activity in the right hemisphere and
00:52:53not enough in the left, in the front.
00:52:55So there's different ways of analyzing brain electrical activity to then work more diagnostically.
00:53:03And there's a great deal of research about something called alpha asymmetry, but this is
00:53:09not the, this is not the venue for that kind of conversation, but it, it, it means that we
00:53:14can understand that if your brain is working less efficiently, it means that you're going to
00:53:21run out of gas quicker.
00:53:24Yeah.
00:53:24And if you keep running out of gas quick, quicker, you're going to have that thought.
00:53:30Why can't I just get it?
00:53:34And that, why can't I just becomes because there's something wrong with me and that becomes the
00:53:43story and the narrative that people start telling themselves and it becomes self-reinforcing.
00:53:50So this is a way to interrupt that narrative and go, wait a minute, wait a minute.
00:53:56What if it's really that you're actually running out of gas and you can't produce the kind of
00:54:02gas mileage that you need in order to get where you want to go.
00:54:09And what if you had more energy, more gas in the tank, maybe you would just, you know, get
00:54:16where you want to go and you wouldn't have that story playing in your head.
00:54:22So with the life therapy.
00:54:24Yeah.
00:54:25We're always trying to explain what's going on.
00:54:28Yeah.
00:54:28We're always trying to explain our experience.
00:54:30Yeah.
00:54:31Right.
00:54:32But that storytelling isn't necessarily based on real data.
00:54:38Yeah.
00:54:39It's made up out of all kinds of things.
00:54:43Yeah.
00:54:44I love it.
00:54:45So with, so with, when you're saying about depression, if there's too much brain activity
00:54:49in one hemisphere and not enough in the other with the light therapy, say you can try and
00:54:54normalize that out.
00:54:55Because we can deliver, right, we can deliver light over here to bring down or bring up what's
00:55:02going on and we can do the same thing over here at the same time.
00:55:07How interesting.
00:55:09And then what about anxiety?
00:55:11So, because often.
00:55:12It's all the same.
00:55:14It's all the same thing.
00:55:16So these are all examples of inefficient neural processing.
00:55:20So anxiety, I mean, certainly there are lots of great psychotherapy approaches to managing
00:55:31anxiety.
00:55:33The most important one for me is respiration.
00:55:39Yeah.
00:55:39The breath.
00:55:40Yeah.
00:55:40You can bring down your nervous system, can't you?
00:55:43Very quickly.
00:55:44Yeah.
00:55:45And so I routinely ask people to count the number of times they breathe in a minute.
00:55:54Yeah.
00:55:54So is it if you exhale, as long as your exhale is longer than your inhale, is that going down
00:56:02the right path of the.
00:56:03It's certainly, it's certainly taking you in the right direction, especially if you're only
00:56:10inhaling through your nose.
00:56:12Yeah.
00:56:13Yeah.
00:56:14Yeah.
00:56:14I do remember you said that.
00:56:17Yeah.
00:56:17Even when you're talking.
00:56:21You know, and that's something like that is a real challenge.
00:56:25I've got.
00:56:26You're still, you're still working on it.
00:56:28I can see.
00:56:29Yeah, I'm still working on it because I've got really dry, the inside of my nostrils are
00:56:35really dry.
00:56:36And so my, I get sort of inflammation from like strong smells, perfumes, deodorants.
00:56:44The nasal mucosa feels dry.
00:56:48Yeah.
00:56:48Right.
00:56:49Vapo rub.
00:56:50Yeah.
00:56:50Vapo rub.
00:56:51Yeah.
00:56:51I, but the reality is if you inhale through your mouth, you automatically stimulate adrenaline
00:57:08going into your blood.
00:57:10No.
00:57:10And that's not good.
00:57:11If you have anxiety, adrenaline is not your friend.
00:57:16No, it's not.
00:57:17Not your friend at all.
00:57:19No, it's not.
00:57:21Adrenaline, cortisol and being, being woken up like that.
00:57:24That's, it seems to, you know, when you're having disrupted sleep, which a lot of new
00:57:29parents have to deal with and parents of toddlers that sets off like when you're, when
00:57:37you're sleeping and you're jerked awake, that seems to set off a stress response.
00:57:43Absolutely.
00:57:45Absolutely.
00:57:46Yeah.
00:57:47So the idea of getting people to monitor their own respiration and see that as they become
00:58:00more anxious, the number of breaths they're taking is increasing and that the more they
00:58:10can reverse that and slow themselves down, then they can start to modify respiration, which
00:58:25means heart rate, which means O2CO2 and all the other factors that go into what we call
00:58:34sympathetic fight, flight, arousal, as opposed to parasympathetic, cool and calm.
00:58:42Yeah.
00:58:42Yeah.
00:58:43Well, how might light therapy then help with, with modifying respiration?
00:58:48Well, certainly the light therapy is giving people extra resources to feel up to the task
00:59:00of whatever is in front of them and feeling more filled up and equal to the task, but also
00:59:11because we can stimulate brain activity that increases the experience of being relaxed and
00:59:19alert at the same time.
00:59:22That's, that's really interesting that you can do that because they seem like an oxymoron,
00:59:27like the alert ready, like, you know, and relaxed at the same time.
00:59:32Right.
00:59:33But that's, that's really what happens is that the, what they call the sensory motor rhythm
00:59:40in the brain is somewhere around 12 to 14, 15 Hertz, right?
00:59:48Cycles per second.
00:59:49But at that 12 to 14, we're seeing that people can experience feeling of being equally relaxed
00:59:58and alert.
01:00:01So one of the things that we do in some of the initial protocols that I will design with
01:00:10people is to have gas in the tank to begin with, then 40, 40 Hertz stimulation, which increases
01:00:23people's alertness and also decreases the beta amyloid in the brain and increases the blood flow
01:00:32and then use the 14 Hertz to then settle the system into that state of relaxed alertness.
01:00:41And people will use that as a kind of beginning entry point into how to use photobiomodulation
01:00:50for forever, because really this is a vitamin.
01:00:56It's not an antibiotic.
01:00:57You're going to use this in some way forever.
01:01:03Yeah.
01:01:04And why wouldn't you?
01:01:06Well, it's like going to the gym, isn't it?
01:01:07You can't just go to the gym for six months and then that's it for the rest of your life.
01:01:13No.
01:01:15But, but using that, using a helmet device is a lot easier, I have to say, than pushing
01:01:20weights.
01:01:22Because you can.
01:01:23Oh, yeah.
01:01:23Well, yeah.
01:01:24Yeah.
01:01:24And I, I've seen you using, and you can use the helmet anytime, you know, even when you're
01:01:32pushing weights.
01:01:33So what I had designed was something like this.
01:01:38Oh, wow.
01:01:40So we can put it, you can put it, it's got two probes.
01:01:43Yeah.
01:01:44That'll go in your nose and you can put that in your pocket.
01:01:49Right.
01:01:49And you can do it while you're at the gym.
01:01:51You can do it in the car.
01:01:51You can do it anywhere, but it's delivering 80 milliwatts of infrared, near infrared light,
01:01:581070 light right up into your nose.
01:02:03So that can become, that can become really handy down the road because, you know, there
01:02:11it is.
01:02:12You can just deliver the light and feel completely energized.
01:02:18But the, the thing that I was interested in was being able to study this in relationship
01:02:25to COVID, long COVID, because one of the studies that we supported was this one.
01:02:36This, this study was about using the Neuradiant and comparing it with the Thor laser bed that
01:02:47you can lay down in.
01:02:48So they took people with long COVID who were independently diagnosed for five months minimum.
01:02:57And they then divided them into two groups.
01:03:00One got in the bed and the other got the helmet.
01:03:03And they got them for 14 minutes, three times a week.
01:03:12That was the, that was the process.
01:03:15Right.
01:03:16And people described brain fog.
01:03:18Can you still see?
01:03:20Yep.
01:03:20Yep.
01:03:20I can say it.
01:03:21I've got Homer Simpson here.
01:03:23Good.
01:03:24So this is what, this is what they said.
01:03:28They even said, we feel like we've got Homer Simpson brain.
01:03:31Yeah.
01:03:31So they did a test for brain response speed.
01:03:37It's called an event related potential ERP.
01:03:40And they showed that the pre to post was significant in terms of all of the subjects.
01:03:48So the helmet, this is the helmet data.
01:03:50The significance of the change after one month, right?
01:03:55After one month, all the people, the 14 people that were in the study, all of them remitted
01:04:02their symptoms.
01:04:03They were completely fine.
01:04:05None of them had long COVID anymore.
01:04:07Yeah.
01:04:08Right.
01:04:09The result, these are the results of the tests for everybody.
01:04:13And these are very, very significant results.
01:04:15And these are brain response times and the capacity for the brain to function flexibly,
01:04:23right?
01:04:24And responsibly.
01:04:25So it showed that brain processing speed could improve, right?
01:04:32And that whole body treatment versus transcranial were equally effective.
01:04:37So, yeah, that's really encouraging, isn't it?
01:04:40Because I think to buy a red light therapy bed is, there's quite a few zeros behind after.
01:04:50I think it's probably by a board front.
01:04:54Yeah, 120,000 versus three.
01:04:57Yeah.
01:04:58Or 35,000.
01:04:59Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:05:01Yeah.
01:05:01They are very expensive.
01:05:02So the helmet is just as effective.
01:05:05I think that is really positive.
01:05:08I'm very impressed and happy to see that we can achieve those kinds of results, you know,
01:05:19with a very straightforward kind of process like the helmet.
01:05:25So there's quite a few different devices, obviously, on the market.
01:05:29And, in fact, one device I've got is a hygge.
01:05:34It's for aesthetics.
01:05:36It's a red light.
01:05:36It's a red and infrared light therapy mask and neck piece.
01:05:41And I was very interested because it's got infrared light in it too.
01:05:47So I'm using it on my face and the neck goes over my chest here, sort of where, over my heart,
01:05:53which I'm happy about because that's infrared light as well.
01:05:57Excuse me.
01:05:57So would that be penetrating into your brain at all, do you think,
01:06:04because it's got the infrared very little or not really?
01:06:09The amount of irradiance or power, which is measured in milliwatts,
01:06:17it's not really that high.
01:06:20Could it influence your skin?
01:06:22Absolutely.
01:06:23Could it influence blood flow?
01:06:25Absolutely.
01:06:26Is it going to penetrate down to deeper layers?
01:06:31Not so much.
01:06:32Yeah.
01:06:32And the higher wavelength has more of an impact on things like elastin production for wrinkles.
01:06:41Yeah.
01:06:41So a lot of women, you know, I can't have the conversation about dementia and they say,
01:06:46oh, by the way, it's good for you, you can't do that.
01:06:49But in fact, if you put it over your face, you're going to get better skin.
01:06:55I mean, you know, my skin.
01:06:58Do you know, I was doing it for 18 years.
01:07:03Perfect.
01:07:03I was going to ask you, do you use a helmet yourself?
01:07:08Oh, for sure.
01:07:10Yeah.
01:07:10I've been using it for 18 years.
01:07:14Yeah.
01:07:14Yeah.
01:07:14And what do you use it for just as the going to the gym thing?
01:07:19To stay sane in a crazy world.
01:07:22Yeah.
01:07:22And also for overall energy so that I could, you know, sound like a normal person at 10
01:07:30o'clock at night.
01:07:31I know.
01:07:32I'm so sorry.
01:07:33I genuinely appreciate your time.
01:07:35But yeah.
01:07:35So what you're saying is even though you haven't been diagnosed with anything, which, you know,
01:07:40thankfully, I, you know, many people that are interested in these devices haven't had any
01:07:46sort of diagnosis.
01:07:47They just want to use it for brain health and wellness.
01:07:51Right.
01:07:51Right.
01:07:51So biohacking, I mean, biohacking is really useful.
01:07:55Yeah.
01:07:55Exactly.
01:07:56Absolutely.
01:07:57I think, you know, tools like this one and tools like the Sarah Thrive, you've met with
01:08:02Sarah, haven't you?
01:08:03I haven't.
01:08:04Sarah Turner.
01:08:05I think I've seen her on LinkedIn.
01:08:06I, yeah, I think I know who you're referring to.
01:08:09Sarah and I worked together to develop the Neuradiant and then she went on to create
01:08:13Sarah Thrive.
01:08:15Yeah.
01:08:15It's a brilliant device for gut, for gut brain health.
01:08:19Absolutely.
01:08:20That's beautiful.
01:08:22Yeah.
01:08:22Oh, no, it's, it's a really, it's a really useful, really useful device.
01:08:28So I've got another question for you as well.
01:08:30What if you just purchased a helmet device and, you know, let's say it's a, it's a good
01:08:37wavelength.
01:08:37It's a deep, deep penetrating wavelength, but you're not having any sort of clinical
01:08:42guidance.
01:08:43And I guess, well, I echo.
01:08:47So, you know, like say for instance, me, I'm, I'm just using a helmet device without any
01:08:54sort of guidance.
01:08:54I'm just using it for 20 minutes a day.
01:08:57What sort of benefits in the absence of any sort of EEG or anything I did after my seizure,
01:09:03I did have an EEG at Gold Coast University Hospital, but I didn't see the results, but
01:09:09apparently the, it was just labeled as normal.
01:09:13So that the EEG was just labeled normal.
01:09:16I don't know anything more about that.
01:09:17I think they were specifically looking for epileptic activity.
01:09:21They're, they're not, they're not going to, they're not going to subject the data from
01:09:26there.
01:09:26They're going to look for tumors and seizures and things like that.
01:09:32Epileptic.
01:09:32We're going to, we do, we do something completely different with the data.
01:09:36Yeah.
01:09:37Yeah.
01:09:37Yeah.
01:09:38So, so in the absence of any, anything else, me just using it for 20 minutes a day, what
01:09:43would that be helping me with?
01:09:45Do you think, would it be giving me some benefits even though I don't have.
01:09:48Oh no.
01:09:49I mean, of course, of course, again, we're talking about increasing efficiency.
01:09:54Yeah.
01:09:55So if you're, if you're making your brain function more efficiently, then.
01:10:02It's all about working smarter rather than harder.
01:10:06Yeah.
01:10:07So everything's, everything is going to be easier because you have more energy and greater
01:10:16efficiency at addressing whatever it is that's going on.
01:10:23So it's a, it's a systemic, it's a systemic intervention.
01:10:28Yeah.
01:10:28You know, it's, it's going to, and that's really important because a, it's not a medical
01:10:34treatment for a specific diagnosis.
01:10:37That's not what this is about.
01:10:38Yeah.
01:10:40It's really about making your brain work more efficiently.
01:10:44And to that degree, you can do more.
01:10:50You can achieve more without expending as much energy.
01:10:55Yeah.
01:10:56That things become easier to accomplish.
01:10:59Yeah.
01:10:59Yeah.
01:11:00And so you feel better.
01:11:02Yeah.
01:11:02And then at what point would you advise people to seek clinical consultation then?
01:11:10If there's, if there's an already existing diagnosis, if there's an already existing issue
01:11:15that you've had, then certainly.
01:11:19But one of the other things is if you take the ACE questionnaire and you have one and your score is not zero.
01:11:33Yeah.
01:11:34Then it would be worth your while to investigate doing some work with yourself to help reduce the stress that you've been carrying around your whole life.
01:11:49That makes sense, doesn't it?
01:11:50Yeah.
01:11:51The childhood trauma thing.
01:11:53Because do you think it's, if you do experience some sort of childhood trauma, do you think your brain shrinks or protects a certain part of it?
01:12:04Or, I don't know, it's hard to describe, because shuts off a certain part of it or something to protect yourself?
01:12:11Is that what's happening?
01:12:13Do you think?
01:12:14Certainly, your brain develops patterns of response that are limited by virtue of the chemical reaction that we all have to any kind of trauma.
01:12:35Any kind of trauma causes a contraction.
01:12:40Yeah.
01:12:40And so that contraction, that contraction at a very early age is going to then influence the rest of your development,
01:12:54because there's this chronic level of inflexibility that comes from the response to the traumatic event.
01:13:04And if that response isn't resolved, then you carry that pattern of contraction ongoing.
01:13:15And the way in which you respond to the environment is now always going through that early filter of, you know, is this dangerous?
01:13:27Is this remind, does this remind me of that?
01:13:30Whatever that was.
01:13:32That's very interesting that there was that link.
01:13:35Yeah, or that there is that link.
01:13:38And if it's early, if it's an early enough and a more significant enough event, then it really does become a filter that influences your whole physical, emotional, spiritual experience.
01:13:54So that's why, you know, there's a psychological component to this that I was very sensitive to because of my training in body centered psychotherapy.
01:14:06And then added this, these technologies then become ways of addressing those early developmental trauma events in a way that's more direct and more effective.
01:14:24Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's, yeah, it's very interesting.
01:14:30The whole, the whole, the whole area is very interesting.
01:14:33And that link between childhood trauma and then being more prone to develop issues in later life that I just imagine the brain and the response it's doing and then carrying that for the whole, because, because the whole Alzheimer's and dementia, I was really interested to, to learn that your brain will shrink and it will, you know, it's just, whereas a healthy brain is a plump brain, isn't it?
01:14:55It's like, it's like, whereas a dying brain is getting smaller and contracting.
01:15:01Yeah.
01:15:01And it really is that pattern.
01:15:03I mean, I really think about it from the pattern of expansion and contraction at every level of observation that we can have.
01:15:13Yeah.
01:15:14Right.
01:15:14Physical, physical tension, emotional constriction, spiritual constriction, you know, mental, cognitive inflexibility.
01:15:24It's the same, it's the same product, pattern, over and over and over again.
01:15:30Yeah.
01:15:30Yeah.
01:15:31So it's the same process being manifest at different levels in your system.
01:15:37And there's a word, there's a word for that.
01:15:40It's called isomorphic.
01:15:42I've heard that word before.
01:15:44That's, that's the, that's the cocktail party word.
01:15:47Yeah, right.
01:15:48I have heard that word before.
01:15:50And it means that you're, a principle that's isomorphic means that you can observe that principle operating at every level of analysis in the system from the micro to the macro.
01:16:04Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:16:06And so the light can help.
01:16:09How is the light then helping your whole system in simple terms then?
01:16:13Well, try living without it.
01:16:17Yeah.
01:16:17That's true.
01:16:19So you can, you can go to the neuromatrix.health and order the neuromatrix device.
01:16:26Yeah.
01:16:29Or you, they can order it through you.
01:16:32Yeah.
01:16:33I'll, I'll pop a link down in the description beneath this video.
01:16:36Yeah.
01:16:37Yeah.
01:16:37So when you say the initial consultation, what does that mean?
01:16:41Does that mean consult with?
01:16:43Yeah, they would, somebody would do the initial consult, they would fill out the intake form.
01:16:49Yeah.
01:16:50They would fill out an informed consent for using the device.
01:16:54They would also fill out a release of information so that I can interact with their other treating people if they have any.
01:17:00Yeah.
01:17:01And then we would get together and go through all of that, right?
01:17:05Look at goals, look at expectations, look at their history, and then come up with a plan.
01:17:10Yeah.
01:17:11A more comprehensive plan about what, how are we going to help you get where you want to go?
01:17:16And where do they get the EEG from?
01:17:20I, depending, I mean, it, it would be someone near them.
01:17:25Okay.
01:17:25Yeah.
01:17:25So if it's, if it's anywhere, New South Wales, if it's Australia, if it's Brisbane, there are plenty of people all over Australia and New Zealand, plenty of people who can do the recording.
01:17:36And it's, it's about $250 or, or so.
01:17:41Yeah.
01:17:41Unless it's covered by, you know, insurance.
01:17:44But it's about $250 or thereabouts.
01:17:48And then they send me the data.
01:17:51I do the analysis.
01:17:53And then we go over the analysis in the initial consultation.
01:17:57Yeah.
01:17:57It's all combined.
01:17:58And then we set up the protocol for them to do the training.
01:18:03And then they'll check back with me in ongoing consultation.
01:18:08And we do that a couple of times a month to begin with, and then less so over time, because people are going to learn.
01:18:17I mean, my goal is to teach people how to do this.
01:18:20Yeah.
01:18:21So they can do it for themselves.
01:18:23You know, I'm trying to work myself out of a job.
01:18:26That's what we're supposed to be doing here.
01:18:28Yeah.
01:18:29Right.
01:18:30So I'm looking to educate people how to do this for themselves more and more, and they can use the QEEG as a way to track improvement.
01:18:41So, again, it's tracking, using the data, showing improvement over time.
01:18:46Oh, so you can then go and get a repeat EEG.
01:18:50Usually, I ask people to consider doing for a year.
01:18:55For a year.
01:18:56Yep.
01:18:56And see how they're doing over the course of a year, and then they can do once a year, twice a year, depending on what they're dealing with.
01:19:07Yeah.
01:19:07Right?
01:19:07And if they're just biohacking, then, you know, they don't need it.
01:19:12Yeah.
01:19:13They'll feel the way they want to feel, or they won't.
01:19:18Yeah.
01:19:19And they'll deal with it.
01:19:20Well, once you've got the device, you've got it always, don't you, obviously?
01:19:23Like, it's yours forever.
01:19:24Right.
01:19:25And it's going to live, it's going to outlive you.
01:19:27Yeah.
01:19:28Yeah.
01:19:29So, if you're, say, if you want to use the device, you know, I guess you get the initial consultations and you get the EEG, but then you live with hubby or you live with your girlfriend and they just want to use it and they just ad hoc use it, put it on their head and they just use it.
01:19:46So, they're still going to get general benefits, aren't they?
01:19:50Oh, absolutely.
01:19:52And the other thing is that because we can set up protocols, one of the things I liked about the Neuromatrix is that we went from two preset protocols to four.
01:20:08So, pretty much everybody in the family can have their own protocol.
01:20:13Ah, right.
01:20:14Okay.
01:20:15See what I mean?
01:20:16And that becomes really helpful down the road because we can program anybody's protocol to whatever they need it to be.
01:20:28Here, we've got preset protocols, right?
01:20:34And that's just what people, these are just the basic protocols that people sometimes want to use.
01:20:40The biohackers, they want to use something like this.
01:20:43Yeah.
01:20:43Okay.
01:20:44Yeah.
01:20:45Okay.
01:20:46The rejuvenated programs.
01:20:49Yeah.
01:20:49Even without clinical consultation, you could choose.
01:20:51Exactly.
01:20:52Exactly.
01:20:52Yeah.
01:20:53And then, this is where we've got one, two, three, four programs that people can use.
01:20:59Yeah.
01:20:59They can set up individually.
01:21:02And each protocol has its own setup.
01:21:07Yeah.
01:21:07How long do you recommend using?
01:21:10Because at the moment, just for my own biohacking, I'm using for 20 minutes every day.
01:21:16Is that too much, too little?
01:21:18What do you think?
01:21:19You know you best.
01:21:22Yeah.
01:21:23And what you can always do is set it for 18 minutes and then set it for 22 minutes.
01:21:33Is there any difference?
01:21:35Yeah.
01:21:36If there's no difference, then see what 16 minutes is like.
01:21:40I'm more thinking whether it's the 10 minutes, because the one I'm using has the 10-minute cycles.
01:21:46So, that's why I just do the 20 minutes, because I do the 10-minute cycle twice.
01:21:52That's right.
01:21:53And I'm one of these people that I'm very interested in brain health, because when you're saying you get into a rut, I'm a little bit of a routine freak.
01:22:02Right.
01:22:04And some people really like that.
01:22:06I do, but I'm not sure if that's the best, though, for brain expansion, because if you're stuck in this sort of same routine, isn't that then shrink your brain?
01:22:17Exactly, exactly.
01:22:18Exactly.
01:22:19So, if what you want to do is increase your flexibility, then I would recommend getting the QEEG.
01:22:28Yeah.
01:22:28I think, Subia, if I may, how about you go get a QEEG, send me the data, and we'll do another one of these where we actually look at you.
01:22:41That would be fascinating.
01:22:44That would be very interesting.
01:22:45So, program and program your device in support of your goal of having greater energy and flexibility, and then do the protocol, and then we'll get back together and see where did you end up.
01:23:03That would be very fascinating.
01:23:06I'm happy to do it.
01:23:08I think that's a great idea.
01:23:10I do, too.
01:23:11That is a fantastic idea.
01:23:13Well, as you know, I do have an almost three-year-old boy who takes a lot of time, but, and I do have a few health things that I'm ticking off, including, I've got to get my malocclusion fixed as well.
01:23:30So, I'm in a bit of a dental journey right now.
01:23:33So, I've got, there are a few things, but I will put it on.
01:23:36I'll find out where I can get it done, because I'm here on the Gold Coast, and you think there would be.
01:23:41Absolutely.
01:23:43Absolutely.
01:23:44Okay.
01:23:44Yep.
01:23:45And it's only going to take you 45 minutes.
01:23:48It's on my to-do list.
01:23:51I just put it on my to-do list today.
01:23:53It'll take you 45 minutes to do the whole procedure.
01:23:55Okay.
01:23:56Yeah, it's a very quick thing.
01:23:57Can you see the screen?
01:23:59Yes, I can.
01:24:00Yep, yep.
01:24:01So, the four quadrants.
01:24:01This is the way we're programming the four quadrants now.
01:24:06So, each step, there are nine steps instead of just four.
01:24:11So, we can be much more specific about how we program the protocol.
01:24:16Yep.
01:24:17Right?
01:24:17And so, we can use the frequency at each of the quadrants, and we can set the amount of time for each step right here in the brain.
01:24:28Fascinating.
01:24:30Okay.
01:24:30And we can do that for step one through nine.
01:24:33Yep.
01:24:34Yep.
01:24:35Look, I'm fascinated.
01:24:36I really am fascinated in brain health, and it has not been a mean feat to, like, go through all those, you know, years of IVF, and also now to, you know, because I've had a few birthdays.
01:24:48Don't tell anyone how many.
01:24:51So, yeah.
01:24:53Yeah.
01:24:53So, I'm very motivated in the longevity field now as well, because I really want to be around to enjoy grandchildren, you know.
01:25:03Yeah.
01:25:04Yeah.
01:25:05And I'm getting ready to enjoy my first great grandchild in November.
01:25:11Yeah, that's beautiful.
01:25:12That's really beautiful.
01:25:13Yeah, and I think a lot of people are really into, I really am into health, wellness, longevity, and also enjoying life as you go.
01:25:23I think that's really important, too.
01:25:25Absolutely.
01:25:26You know, having the capacity to enjoy those moments that are special.
01:25:29So, well, great idea.
01:25:32I will put getting an EEG on my to-do list.
01:25:38Consider it added.
01:25:40We'll reconvene.
01:25:40We'll reconvene.
01:25:41How fascinating.
01:25:43Thank you for your time tonight.
01:25:45Like, I know it's late for you.
01:25:47And the more people we can inform about this therapy, I think the better.
01:25:52Because...
01:25:53Well, that's why I wanted to do this.
01:25:56Yeah.
01:25:56So that we can create something that's very affordable.
01:26:01Yeah.
01:26:01Very affordable, because I think I said this the last time.
01:26:08If we take everybody with dementia, Parkinson's, and traumatic brain injury, that's 150 million people worldwide.
01:26:18If we add to that, the 10 to 27% of everyone who's gotten COVID, regardless of severity, that's how many people are going to develop some degree of neurological injury.
01:26:33That's 200 million more people.
01:26:37So that's 350 million people worldwide who need what we're talking about today.
01:26:46That number is only going up.
01:26:49So we better do something about it now.
01:26:56Well, let's hope that this interview can do a small part in trying to inform more people.
01:27:01And we will stay in touch.
01:27:04And I very much appreciate your time tonight.
01:27:07And thank you for your wisdom and all the information.
01:27:10And we will.
01:27:10We'll definitely reconvene.
01:27:12Okay.
01:27:14Bye.
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