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Interrogation Raw Season 4 Episode 3
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00:00We have an unsecured back door.
00:12My job is not for the interior.
00:13You're going to go ahead and secure the residence.
00:15Sheriff's office!
00:17Normal decent human beings don't want to lie.
00:19They want to get it off their chest.
00:21I'll go back and hold those doors.
00:24Sheriff's office!
00:25I don't want to be in trouble for something I didn't do.
00:29It's horrible.
00:31Sheriff's office!
00:33You knew Chucky got shot.
00:35I did.
00:36I heard this.
00:39I know you heard it.
00:59Sheriff's office!
01:01Deputy Cannon and I were responding to a welfare check.
01:05Charles Hogue lived alone.
01:08There was no indication of anybody actually seeing him.
01:11Sheriff's office!
01:12I started to knock on the door.
01:15Sheriff's office!
01:17And that's when I noticed an elderly man laying face down in the backyard.
01:22We stand by, but he appears to be deceived.
01:27543, we have an unsecured back door.
01:29I tell them 543, we're going to go ahead and secure the residence to see if there's anybody
01:33in the other possible business.
01:34Sheriff's office!
01:41Sheriff's office!
01:44Sheriff's office!
01:46Clear.
01:48It's not up here to be anybody else inside the residence.
01:51It's already started in the rain.
01:52I'm already attempting to come by and I'm looking for additional material now.
01:55As I came up to the body, he had a single gunshot wound to the back of the head.
02:07And both of his arms were folded underneath him, but coming out to one side, which meant
02:14his body didn't have a chance to catch himself when he fell, like he'd been struck from behind.
02:20We rolled him.
02:22We wanted to rule out the possibility of suicide.
02:26We weren't able to locate any firearm, but we did locate a shell casing.
02:33And we knew at that time we had a homicide.
02:36We didn't see any signs of forced entry.
02:38The home wasn't ransacked.
02:41But Mr. Hoag's wallet, his keys, and cell phone were missing.
02:45In the kitchen was a partially eaten hamburger, french fries.
02:49That certainly suggested that maybe somebody had arrived unexpectedly at the home.
02:55Once we got into his bedroom, we noticed some 9mm pistol ammunition in a drawer.
03:01And it did match the shell casing that we found in the backyard.
03:04In the guest bathroom, I located a Bulldog brand pistol holster.
03:11But we never located any kind of pistol.
03:14So that brought up a red flag.
03:16Where was this pistol?
03:18We had no known suspect, no murder weapon, not a clue which direction to go.
03:23We've got ourselves a whodunit case.
03:37Mr. Hoag's vehicle was found behind a vacated building.
03:42And the area that it was in was very grown over.
03:45It was parked up against bushes so that it looked like somebody was trying to block it from public view.
03:50We could get a search warrant and collect any kind of evidence that could help lead us to the suspects.
03:55The only thing of note that did come from that search was the driver's seat was all the way in the forward position.
04:03We knew that Charles Hoag was tall.
04:06The last person driving that vehicle was much shorter than Mr. Hoag was.
04:11The truck was now our number one piece of evidence because it was the only thing that linked the suspects to Mr. Hoag's home.
04:27We located a small local church who just so happened to have security cameras.
04:31And we noticed in that midday time frame Mr. Hoag's truck traveling at a high rate of speed.
04:36It's possible it was the killer that was driving.
04:40But we were unable to see the driver.
04:43It was very frustrating.
04:45We wanted to get justice for Mr. Hoag.
04:49When I found out that Chucky had been shot and that he wasn't with us anymore,
04:54I went into complete shutdown mode.
04:57I was devastated.
05:00Detective Viviano asked if he had any known enemies.
05:02He didn't.
05:03He was friends with everybody.
05:05Charles Chucky Hoag was a salt-of-the-earth type of fellow.
05:09He was raised in Santa Ana, Texas, and he went off and joined the Navy.
05:15He's a Vietnam vet.
05:17He retired after many, many years of truck driving,
05:21and he married the love of his life, which ended up being my mom.
05:25He loved her inside and out.
05:28After mom passed, he was very lonely.
05:30He loved being around my family.
05:32He loved just being included in everything.
05:35We just started cold calling numbers to try to find anybody who had contact with him
05:52in the days leading up to his murder.
05:55And then I called a number.
05:56A female answered the phone.
05:58She identified herself as Tara Wilhite.
06:01She began telling us that in the weeks prior, she was kicked out of her home and was a bit destitute.
06:09And she was walking along a rural highway, and Mr. Hoag came upon her in his vehicle
06:16and had asked her if she had needed a ride anywhere.
06:18Mr. Hoag told her that he'd be willing to let her stay at his home.
06:24I had to inform her Mr. Hoag was found murdered at his home.
06:29She became audibly upset.
06:32We asked her if we could meet with her in person.
06:33We felt that she may be able to offer information about things that we saw in the home,
06:39particularly the buyer arm that we were searching for.
06:41I know things have been a little bit crazy, but we appreciate you coming in.
06:58So, starting from the day, you know, that you first met Mr. Hoag.
07:03You said it was Sunday, March the 15th?
07:06Yes, the 15th.
07:07I was headed, I guess, towards town, and he stopped and asked if I needed a ride.
07:14He had given me his name and asked if I had somewhere to go, and I told him no.
07:22And he offered to let me stay at his home.
07:26How long did you stay total?
07:28Through the 21st.
07:30I guess you didn't have a place to stay at the time just due to other family-related things.
07:35That's right.
07:36Okay.
07:36Tara had roughly stayed with Mr. Hoag.
07:39In the time frame of the days leading up to his death, she had been kicked out of her home.
07:44And some of that conflict arose from a relationship breakdown with her fiancé, Chris Brown.
07:50And prior to this, you never knew?
07:52Prior to this, I had not known who he was.
07:55Okay.
07:55Man, Courtney, he was an older man.
07:57His wife had passed away.
07:58I think he was just kind of lonely.
08:00He enjoyed having your company.
08:01Yeah, I think so.
08:03But, you know, Chucky seemed like the type that he needed somebody to talk to.
08:10Seemed like he was lonely.
08:12A lonely old man.
08:13That's the way she put it.
08:14Just wanted some attention.
08:15We thought maybe a person might be able to take advantage of Mr. Hoag and exploit his loneliness after his wife died.
08:25Did you see at any time in his vehicle on his personal pistol?
08:31The only time I saw the pistol was in the house.
08:34When was the first time you saw the pistol?
08:36It was in the holster, on the dresser, right beside the TV.
08:41In his bedroom?
08:42In his bedroom.
08:44I just asked him, could he put it up?
08:46Because I have a lot of buddies commit suicide.
08:49So pistols are not something.
08:53Just not real comfortable with it?
08:54Not comfortable, yeah.
08:56I didn't see where he put it and he didn't tell me.
08:59Okay.
08:59And that confirmed that he had a handgun in the house that had been stolen from his residence.
09:04So we were confident that it was used to kill Mr. Hoag.
09:08When we talked on the phone the other day, you mentioned that your fiancé was prisoned around.
09:14He was more longer than my fiancé.
09:15Former.
09:16Right.
09:17That he came out.
09:18We picked him up on the team.
09:21And what was the circumstances of y'all picking him up?
09:26Oh, we were trying to work things out.
09:31It wasn't something I wanted to do because Christopher is very jealous and controlling.
09:42I had asked Chucky if we could go get Chris and Chucky said that was fine and we ended up him just spending the night.
09:52How's Chris's demeanor and temper?
09:55His temper is very bad.
09:57Did he get upset with you at all for staying with Chucky?
10:01Chris got upset with me over everything.
10:07Yeah.
10:08Did he have gone with you or anybody else?
10:11And you don't have to go into detail.
10:12With me, yeah.
10:13Okay.
10:13This is a tough question.
10:16Do you think Chris could have had anything to do with what happened to Chucky?
10:32Chucky was the last person I had.
10:35He was my last parent.
10:36So I felt like I lost a lot when I lost him.
10:40He loved with everything he had.
10:42Anytime you hugged him, it was a lingering hug.
10:45And he wanted you to know that he loved you and that he was always there for you.
10:50Chucky was found on that Saturday on the 28th.
11:13Do you remember anything odd or strange about Chris's behavior on that weekend or anything?
11:21Honestly, I don't know.
11:22I really need to know, did Chris say anything specific about Chucky directing any anger towards you staying with Chucky?
11:30He was angry because I was staying with somebody I didn't know.
11:36Have you ever seen Chris with a gun?
11:39No.
11:39I haven't seen him in a gun.
11:43How tall is Chris?
11:46A little bit taller than me.
11:47I want to say like 5'6".
11:49About 5'6".
11:50Right.
11:51Anybody that you can think of, even your gut, telling you, I'm suspicious of this person.
11:58I'm worried this person may have had something to do with this.
12:01His girlfriend called that morning.
12:03And I know that was something we talked about the other day, that Chucky had met this female online.
12:08She supposedly lives in Pennsylvania.
12:11Pennsylvania was coming the week of the 25th.
12:15And I mean, it just all seemed fishy to me.
12:20Okay.
12:20And she was a Vietnamese?
12:22Vietnamese.
12:23Her accent was very big.
12:25Okay.
12:25I remember him stating that he had sent her $300 to make sure she had the gas to make it to him.
12:34Did he normally talk to her through Facebook or on the cell phone?
12:38Um, he did have her cell phone number.
12:42Um, but as far as I knew, Chucky did most of his socializing with her through Facebook.
12:47Through Facebook.
12:49Back to that Monday.
12:51Do you remember Chucky making any phone calls, receiving any phone calls?
12:55Someone called on the 18th.
12:57If I remember correctly, the guy came out on the 19th and he bought some wheat from Chucky.
13:03Okay.
13:04How did you know that Chucky had sold him some pot?
13:09Because Chucky had mentioned it to me when he was cooking dinner that evening.
13:14And that's when he had mentioned that he sold pot and sold cocaine and meth.
13:21And if I knew anybody that needed anything, to send them to him.
13:27She was making Mr. Hogan out to be some sort of a drug dealer in Romance, Arkansas.
13:33And it just did not fit with what we knew about Mr. Hogan.
13:36And it definitely started to shift our viewpoint on the information that she was giving us.
13:43We didn't know if some of the things she was saying was fully true.
13:47There were quite a few people snooping on his property.
13:51If you were him and the guys, we don't care.
13:54He mentioned that he was sorry his girlfriend was coming.
13:57Anything else?
13:59Not that I can think of right offhand.
14:01So I've got feeling his girlfriend, but I wouldn't put anything past Chris.
14:07And that's to be completely and solely honest with you guys.
14:12In Mr. Hogan's autopsy, we weren't able to find any evidence to suggest that Mr. Hogan was trafficking any narcotics.
14:26His drug screen was completely clear.
14:29It started to put some things that Tara had stated in a new light.
14:33We had subpoenaed Mr. Hogan's phone records and social media records as well.
14:39We found no records to indicate he was speaking with anyone on Facebook Messenger in Pennsylvania.
14:45At that point, it's very fathomable that everything she's told us today is not true.
14:51Detective Ellis and I, we're starting to build our suspicions.
14:55Why would you lie to us when all we're trying to do is get your help to solve a murder?
14:59Why would you lie to us when all we're trying to do is get your help to solve a murder?
15:29You're kind of putting me in.
15:31Put you in the corner?
15:33Yeah.
15:34But I think I do that to myself.
15:38She had told so many different stories.
15:41It seemed like she was trying to point anywhere other than her as far as what could have happened to Mr. Hogan.
15:47We were going to have to start putting the pressure on her.
15:51There's a couple things I want to go through just to make sure we can kind of get on the same page as everything.
15:56I will tell you whatever you want to know.
15:58Well, I have nothing to have.
16:00I know what I'm asking you about Chucky's drug use.
16:06Would it surprise you to know that in his autopsy on his toxicology,
16:09he had absolutely zero trace of any narcotic whatsoever in his system?
16:13Well, that would surprise me because I smoked with Chucky Sunday.
16:18Well, he had zero.
16:20Absolutely nothing.
16:21And now that just makes me look like a fool.
16:24We didn't have the autopsy results from the first autopsy, so I couldn't ask you that question.
16:39Well, I can't tell you what is and what ain't, but I know for a fact Chucky smokes with me on Sunday.
16:49Nobody can argue with toxicology, too.
16:50I can't either.
16:51So that's what I'm saying.
16:52She's kind of pulled her hat down over her face a little bit.
16:56We're losing that eye contact that we had with her in the first interview.
17:01Now she doesn't even want to look at us.
17:03You could tell she was kind of starting to feel like they're on to me now.
17:09Let's go on to Chucky's girlfriend.
17:11There's absolutely no record of him talking to anybody in Pennsylvania on his phone records.
17:16Then why did Chucky tell me that?
17:18He absolutely had no FaceTime conversations.
17:20He absolutely had no messenger conversations.
17:23Well, he was on the phone and he told me it was his girlfriend and she was Vietnamese.
17:29My point is, as we come into this conversation, I want you to know that we've done our homework at this point.
17:36I'm not aware of that.
17:38Can I tell you my theory?
17:40Can I share that with you?
17:41Chucky has some nice things in that house.
17:43So I think somebody who saw all these things, stole his gun, and maybe even had a rough plan to rob him,
17:55and in the process of doing that, Chucky gets killed.
18:00I don't know what to tell you.
18:02One of my theories is someone Mr. Hogan knew and trusted to be in his house,
18:06come up behind him and shot him in his backyard.
18:09The perpetrators in these cases are oftentimes addicts,
18:12and the only thing they're thinking about is how to get the next fix.
18:15So the nice man down the road that's helped us,
18:17they actually see somebody that they can victimize to get what they need.
18:21What can you tell me about maybe Chris taking that gun?
18:27I don't know anything.
18:29I know you said there was a time when you came into his bedroom and he had it on the dresser.
18:34I mean, he had another one, that painless deal or whatever, but that was in the closet.
18:42Terry, I've got a big concern.
18:44Yeah.
18:45The first time we talked, you said that pistol, the original pistol in the holster,
18:50was the only pistol you saw.
18:52I didn't know about it.
18:53Here's the deal.
18:54You held that information from us for some reason.
18:56No, I swear to God, I did not hold it back for any reason.
19:01My thought is you knew one of those two pistols killed you.
19:05She mentioned a second handgun, which, why did you leave that out the first time we talked?
19:12Her stories just keep growing.
19:14It became obvious that she had forgotten things she had told us in the first interview.
19:20There's a reason these things change is because they're not true.
19:24There's something else.
19:26After Chuckie was killed, his truck was stolen.
19:29When his truck was recovered, the driver's seat was moved all the way up.
19:36So, whoever drove that truck last was shorter.
19:42Y'all been thinking it's me, and you don't have to say it.
19:47But I did not kill Chuckie.
19:50But I think you know who did.
19:51Or I think you know more than what you're telling us.
19:53No, I don't know who did.
19:55And Chris is shorter, too.
19:56I'm not pointing fingers at nobody because I don't know.
20:00When it came to Chris, she wouldn't say, no, he didn't do it.
20:04She's blanked.
20:06I think there's also the possibility that if she names Chris, that may require her to explain more of her actions, too.
20:13That pistol holster was not in that.
20:16You can be sure I'm not accusing you.
20:18I'm asking.
20:19Chris can be pushy without being pushy.
20:21Well, I can tell you this, whoever killed Chuckie, if somebody Chuckie knew, somebody who knew about the guns in his house, somebody who was short enough to drive his truck based on the seat where it was.
20:34Well.
20:35If you're saying it's not you, then you can email him.
20:37I don't know anything, honest to God.
20:40All right.
20:41Well, I think we're going to leave it alone for today.
20:43We were feeling more and more confident that we were on the right track, but we didn't want to push it too far.
20:51We still wanted to leave that door open for a third interview.
20:55And from there, we went to go find Chris Brown.
20:59This personality came across as more meek, not as strong as Tara's.
21:25And I think we we felt like that may be more to our advantage in the interview room.
21:33Have you been to Chuckie's house before?
21:35No.
21:36You haven't?
21:37Not before when Sarah was there and I stayed the night.
21:41OK.
21:41And did she invite you to come and stay to Mr. Hogue's house?
21:46She talked to Mr. Hogue about it and he said, that's fine.
21:50I know y'all are working through relationship problems.
21:53Did you ever, at any point, ever see any handguns or pistols in the house?
21:58No, sir.
21:59OK.
22:00How about any holsters, like pistol holsters or anything like that?
22:04OK.
22:04You can see he's got his arms crossed in front of him.
22:07He's trying to create a barrier between him and us, like a signal for him to feel more protected.
22:14He was very nervous, very timid, just seemed scared right off the bat.
22:20He was exhibiting every sign of somebody that was guilty.
22:23Well, I mean, you guys coming in here and talking to us is very important.
22:28It helps us just kind of figure out who was having contact with Mr. Hogue.
22:33I'm just going to lay it out on the table and ask you if you had anything to do with Mr. Hogue's.
22:37No, sir.
22:38I do not.
22:38But we know that whoever did this made some mistakes.
22:43I don't know if you know this, but Mr. Hogue's truck was stolen as a part of the homicide.
22:49They managed to get themselves caught on camera.
22:53We really did have video of Mr. Hogue's truck.
22:58The quality of that video didn't render what we're describing here, but that is the bluff.
23:05We had to play this interrogation a little riskier.
23:08There was just a general lack of any trace or physical evidence.
23:12It just didn't exist.
23:14How tall are you, Chris?
23:155'7".
23:16You want to take a wild guess as far as how tall the person was that was driving Mr. Hogue's truck?
23:225'7".
23:23He's between 5'6 and 5'7".
23:25I mean, hell, we even had the FBI come out and process that truck.
23:29So we can keep going through this, and I can paint a picture.
23:34And I'm a pretty good painter, Chris.
23:36Yes, sir.
23:37I might be willing to consider that you guys were in a tough spot.
23:42You knew that Mr. Hogue had some nice things.
23:46Maybe the plan was just a simple theft, and things got out of hand.
23:52And this whole thing was an accident.
23:54We've got fingerprints, we've got video, we've got DNA.
24:01All I need is one drop.
24:03One cell.
24:05One eyelash.
24:07That's all I need.
24:08So is there anything at this point you'd like to talk to us about before we move forward?
24:13Tara put me up, too.
24:27Okay.
24:28Can you tell me about that?
24:30We were in a bad situation.
24:32I ain't gonna lie.
24:34I don't think either of us were that surprised of his statements that Tara put him up to it.
24:54Chris didn't seem to have that personality that he wore the pants in their relationship.
25:02Tara, she's a better liar than Chris was.
25:05He just broke.
25:06How did y'all get to the property?
25:09We walked.
25:10When you walked up to Mr. Hogue's house, what happened then?
25:13We talked to Mr. Hogue, see how he was doing.
25:16Okay.
25:18And then what happened?
25:21I walked back in his bathroom and said to grab a few things.
25:28What'd you grab?
25:28It was a .45 pistol.
25:30And then I was trying to grab, like, his phone or anything back to me.
25:42Maybe something you could sell or trade or something like that.
25:44Okay.
25:45What happened after you grabbed those things?
25:47And I told him, sir, it's time to go.
25:49Mm-hmm.
25:50And we stepped out and he was out back.
25:55I started taking off and he said, hey, can you come here?
25:59He went and called the cops on us.
26:04Because he saw what you had in your head?
26:06Yes.
26:07And it was an accident at the same time.
26:13I was holding a gun and my finger was on the trigger and I didn't mean to shoot.
26:21He was shot in the back of the head.
26:23Did he turn to run or did he just turn his back on you?
26:26He turned his back on me.
26:28How many times did you shoot?
26:30I accidentally shot once.
26:37How close were you standing to Chuckie when this happened?
26:41I thought for me to you.
26:43Okay.
26:44How did y'all get in the truck?
26:46I had the keys off of him.
26:47I got in first.
26:50She got in right after me and we took off.
26:55It was total elation, relief.
26:57I finally felt like Mr. Hogue was going to get some justice.
27:00We had him confessing to actually pulling the trigger, but we still have no physical evidence
27:05at this point.
27:06The next important part was the murder weapon.
27:09The truck's in the lights.
27:11What did y'all do then?
27:12It was no one.
27:14I understand.
27:16Whenever y'all left the Chuckie's truck there behind Midway, what happened from there?
27:22We walked home.
27:23Where was the gun?
27:25On the server and her back.
27:27And when y'all got to the house, what happened?
27:30I grabbed the car, the tub, and we didn't get rid of it.
27:33And I took it down to the crew.
27:35Okay.
27:36So what all went in the crew?
27:38His phone and his wallet.
27:44You have a question.
27:49I have a question.
27:51Am I getting locked up today?
27:54Well, we're going to talk about all that.
28:03He did take us out to the creek there behind the residence.
28:17We get to this body of water, and Chris Brown points to the water.
28:22We find Mr. Hogue's wallet and the keys to his vehicle, and a 9mm handgun.
28:26It was a Taurus PT-111 9mm pistol that matched Mr. Hogue's Bulldog brand holster.
28:34We were able to determine that handgun belonged to Mr. Hogue, so we knew we had the murder weapon.
28:42On update tonight, out of White County, Christopher Brown of Romance was arrested today on capital
28:46murder and tampering with physical evidence charges.
28:49Authorities believe he killed Charles Hogue at his home.
28:52At that point, we knew we had to turn our focus onto Tara.
28:57She was running out of leg room to explain herself.
29:13We wanted her to feel comfortable in an area where she was living now.
29:17We were kind of doing it on her terms, which is not always the case you want,
29:21but we wanted to keep her feeling comfortable.
29:24So, I told you we might kind of get caught up on everything, especially since we talked
29:28the other day.
29:29And this is Detective Warren.
29:31Detective Chris did agree to come up to the office and talk to us.
29:35I can tell you this much, hopefully this will make you feel safer.
29:40Chris is in custody for Mr. Hogue's homicide.
29:45I can breathe a little better.
29:46We've got to cover some loose ends.
29:49And one of those loose ends, Chris named you as an individual that was there with him
29:54at the house when it happened.
29:59And he's claiming some things against you that I'm worried puts you more than just a witness
30:07to this thing, but an active participant.
30:11I understand.
30:11But this is what's very, very important.
30:15We have footage of Chucky's truck leaving his house after the murder.
30:23What's going on?
30:24I was there, but I didn't know what happened.
30:27When you say you were there, what does that mean?
30:30You were there at the house, weren't you?
30:30Um, Chris had me at come for him.
30:46And next thing I know, he's got the gun in my back and making me get in the truck.
30:54I promise I didn't do anything.
30:56We can take her back to White County.
31:07We knew that that interview would be tough with her because we were going to have to
31:12start putting the pressure on.
31:14Tara, we appreciate your cooperation so far in doing anything today, okay?
31:22Um, we just want to kind of talk to everything again.
31:25You did tell me that you were there.
31:28I was there with Chris.
31:29I was walking over to Chucky's to go and get the keys and pick up the dog.
31:35And Chris came up and startled me and he put the gun to my side and he said, keep walking.
31:46And we get to Chucky's and Chucky's outside on the porch and he looks at Chris and he goes,
31:55something's wrong.
31:57And Chucky told me, go in the house and lock the doors and call the cops.
32:01And so I ran in the house and I couldn't get there fast enough.
32:06And Chris came in and said, get in the truck.
32:10And he got in and took off down the road.
32:14And he told me if I opened my mouth, he was going to kill me, that he wasn't scared to shoot me.
32:20And I still didn't know what had happened at this point.
32:24I said, Chris, what did you do?
32:26And he told me he shot Chucky.
32:32And I asked him why and he didn't have a reason.
32:37But I didn't know that he shot Chucky until we left the driveway.
32:41Wait, where were you actually at when he shot Chris?
32:44I was in the kitchen.
32:45You were in the kitchen and you would have heard the gunshot.
32:47No, I didn't.
32:48I had my headphones in.
32:50I had my music in my ears the whole time.
32:53You're telling me you didn't hear a gunshot in a trailer with paper-thin walls.
32:58What she was saying just didn't make any sense.
33:01She said she would put her headphones in and turn the music up.
33:04You're not going to do that unless you're trying to drown out a specific noise.
33:08We were pretty convinced at that point that she did hear or see Mr. Hogue's shot.
33:13I knew she was lying.
33:14And she was very good at gaslighting.
33:17Why didn't you just tell me this story on Wednesday?
33:22Because I was still scared for my life.
33:26But I've got some major concerns because your story's changed quite a few times.
33:30Do you want the truth, Josh?
33:32Yeah, I want the truth.
33:33My original plan was to get Chucky to give me a ride.
33:42What Chris had planned, I don't know.
33:45We got there and Chucky told us to come in.
33:49Me and Chucky are standing in the kitchen talking.
33:52And Chris comes out the bathroom.
33:54He said, Chucky, will you show me the truck?
33:56So, Chucky said, okay, I put my headphones back in and turned up my music.
34:07And you weren't supposed to be doing anything while Chucky was in the backyard?
34:11No.
34:12You don't want to come out of this looking cold-blooded and heartless?
34:18No, because I didn't shoot Chucky.
34:20But you went over there to rob him.
34:22No, I went over there to get a ride into town and to borrow some money.
34:29To borrow money or take his money?
34:30No, I went to borrow it.
34:33I'm going to be honest with you.
34:34I don't think you're giving a full story steal.
34:36Tara, I think y'all went over there to try to steal some stuff and it went wrong.
34:40Tara, that's why Chris had Chucky take him to the backyard and show him that stuff.
34:47I did not.
34:47While he was outside distracting Chucky, you were supposed to take Chucky's wallet and steal the other stuff, okay?
34:55I didn't have any clue that that's what was supposed to take place.
35:00But it's okay.
35:01That's why you put your headphones in, because you knew what was going to happen and you didn't want to hear it.
35:06I think you watched him walk out behind Chucky with that gun and you knew that he was going to shoot it.
35:16I did not.
35:17I had my headphones in.
35:19Why you had your headphones in, Tara?
35:21No, I had my headphones in the whole time.
35:25That's a lie.
35:25You told us earlier, you put your headphones in when he walked out back and now you're changing your story again.
35:31We can't believe anything you say.
35:32All I know is he told Chucky to come out back and I stood there in the kitchen with my headphones in.
35:40Okay.
35:42Detective Warren and Detective Viviano weren't quite getting Tara to the point where they needed her.
35:48So it was time for something different.
35:50And I was what they would call the bad cop.
35:52Tara needed to realize that she was looking at some serious charges if she didn't finally tell the truth.
35:58And that's where I stepped in.
36:00Okay, so let me introduce myself.
36:02Heather Meadows.
36:03I am his boss.
36:05I am the one that decides if you walk out of here in handcuffs and get charged with capital murder.
36:09Me.
36:10Normal decent human beings don't want to lie.
36:13They want to get it off their chest.
36:14They want to be able to have a clear conscience.
36:18I do, but I don't want to be in trouble for something.
36:21I didn't do.
36:23But you know what you did do that you don't want to admit because you know what makes you feel like s***?
36:27Is that you knew Chucky got shot.
36:30I did.
36:30I heard it.
36:31I heard it.
36:34I heard it.
36:35I know you heard it.
36:36I heard it and I put my headphones in afterwards.
37:05I couldn't think of anything else.
37:09I heard the freaking gun every time I turned around.
37:14Every time I went to go to sleep I heard it.
37:18Do you know what that is?
37:19That's the brain's way of dealing with trauma because you knew what happened was wrong and it made you feel like crap that you were there and you couldn't get away.
37:27I didn't even know it was going to happen.
37:31I believe you.
37:32I believe that you went over there for a reason.
37:34Most likely just for money, maybe borrow money.
37:37But when it happened, I was in the kitchen and by the table and I hear a ring and I hear a pop and a ring.
37:48And I knew what had to happen after that and I put my headphones in and I ran to the truck.
37:59Take a minute.
37:59She starts bawling.
38:06I mean, it finally hit her and it starts coming out.
38:09Her shoulders drop.
38:10You can see the relief on her.
38:12And it was like everything was just like whoosh.
38:16Sometimes it just takes that next step to push them right off that ledge.
38:21Now I believe you.
38:26But listen to me.
38:28There's two people involved here.
38:30One of them went there knowing what they were going to do and the other one didn't and is either a witness or just as guilty as a person that went there because they're lying and they knew.
38:39So if you didn't know, now's the time to walk us through beginning to the end.
38:43We get to Chucky's house and Chucky just gotten out of the car and I remember Chris just looking at Chucky with this evil look.
39:03And we go back and we sit in the rocking chairs in Chucky's room and I follow him into the kitchen and Chris comes about two or three minutes behind us.
39:20The only thing that was in Chucky's room on that dresser was his pistol.
39:27I knew that something was going to happen.
39:30And I told Chris, I said, no, don't do it.
39:33And Chris goes, Chucky, will you take me out back and show me the truck?
39:39And next thing I hear is, pow.
39:43And I put my headphones in and turned up my music and went to the truck.
39:47And Chris goes, if you tell anybody, I will kill you just like I did Chucky.
39:56It was important that Tara admit that she saw him get shot or heard him get shot.
40:01That was the final piece of evidence that was going to crack that case and give us what we need for our conviction.
40:07The next day, Chris takes the gun and goes out by the creek.
40:17Chris took everything out there.
40:20Do you know what would have changed all this?
40:22If the second you got a weird inkling, you didn't say, we need to go, did you tell Mr. Ho something was wrong and you were worried?
40:31I said, Chucky, don't go back there.
40:35And he didn't say that's weird?
40:36Why would you say that?
40:37I don't think he hurt me because Chucky wears hearing aids.
40:40I've done this for 20 years.
40:45There are people that come in and eventually tell the truth and say, look, I'm just a good person.
40:49I made a poor choice not to come in right away.
40:53I'm sure you can see how you holding off as long as you did.
40:56And that was being destroyed.
40:58That kind of makes you look like you're an accomplice.
41:01I understand.
41:02She describes how Chris had asked Mr. Hogue to step outside with him, which we believe, you know, is all part of the planning phase.
41:11And I still believe she knew what was about to happen.
41:15That gave us the probable cause that we could arrest her as a co-conspirator to the homicide.
41:20I don't think we will ever know the whole truth about what happened.
41:24But she gave us enough of the truth.
41:26I truly believe if Chris had not admitted his guilt, that she would have never, ever admitted to being at the residence.
41:35We are following breaking news.
41:37A second person has been criminally charged in connection to a homicide out of romance.
41:4232-year-old Tara Willite of North Little Rock was arrested and charged with capital murder.
41:5633-year-old Tara Willite and Chris Brown are fairly unassuming individuals.
42:18I don't think anybody would suspect them of being cold-hearted murderers.
42:22And that's what makes them that much more dangerous.
42:25And I don't think that they should ever be released.
42:34Mr. Hogue was a very kind man.
42:37It's just so sad that this person that he extends this olive branch to and is trying to help, then turns around and is a part of his death.
42:46I think that says a lot about what a wonderful man that he is.
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