Greg Bedard of the Boston Sports Journal stopped by Felger and Mazz to share his thoughts about Bill Belichick's college debut.
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00:00So, it's the quarterback that should be giving the money back, Mass?
00:03Uh-huh.
00:03The quarterback?
00:04Yeah.
00:04How about the coach?
00:06Hey, I hear the Brockton high job's going to be open soon.
00:10How about the coach and his cronies, too?
00:11You know Mike Lombardi's making like one five, a million five there?
00:14So, you know how we feel about Stephen A.
00:16Huge fans, huge supporters.
00:18I feel like he's a little bit behind the curve on that commentary.
00:24Murray was just getting ready for the show.
00:25You didn't hear the part in the middle of that comment.
00:27You hear Jimmy.
00:28Play it again.
00:28Yeah, did you get it, Mass?
00:29Oh, yeah.
00:30Go ahead.
00:30Because we all know that Brady owes just as much credit to Belichick as Belichick owes to him for those six championships.
00:37Brady owes just as much credit to Bill as Bill owes to Brady for those six championships.
00:41I feel Stephen A., on this one, a rare misfire from our guy Stephen A.
00:46Yeah, yeah, that's definitely a misfire.
00:47Because as last night proved yet again, one party was far more responsible for the 20 years of success than the other was.
00:55I've said many times on this show, all I root for nowadays is failure and funny, and last night I got a tidal wave of both.
01:03That, I couldn't have scripted that better.
01:05That, that's the most I've enjoyed watching a sporting event since the Super Bowl and the shellacking of the Chiefs.
01:11That was just the best, especially with the start, too.
01:14Like, oh, he's back.
01:15Still got it.
01:16Oh, does he?
01:17Does he after the scripted touchdown?
01:19How did, how did it work out after then?
01:21After that, the fat quarterback left, the left, the fat lefty quarterback couldn't complete a pass for two hours.
01:26He really can read the room with quarterbacks, too.
01:28Because then you put in, he takes him out and puts in Brad Johnson's kid, you know, a kid who has, you know, NFL quarterback lineage.
01:34Hey, turns out he's tall and can actually throw the ball.
01:37Way to read the room there, though, Bill.
01:39The, all of it.
01:40It's just the touchdown.
01:42Oh, he's back.
01:44The insufferable and incessant knob slobbing that Herb Street and ESPN were given to Belichick and this merry band of grifters like Lombardi in the pregame through the first quarter.
01:52Oh, he put the team together.
01:53He's the GM.
01:54Oh, let's focus on him.
01:55And the girlfriend and all the dignitaries in the box about the only other two people who enjoyed last night more than me had to have been the owner and his son who got in the way around here.
02:06Didn't they, Bill?
02:07That, it was going to be so easy.
02:10It's so easy.
02:11He's the best ever.
02:12College football's child's play.
02:13Any decent NFL coach can coach circles around even the best college coach, right?
02:18That Bill Belichick with North Carolina is going to be Urban Meyer with the Jacksonville Jaguars, period.
02:24And I don't care if they win the next two games, which are layups.
02:27It's now over.
02:28You're not making the playoff.
02:29You lose to TCU, who's not ranked like that at home.
02:32You're not making the playoff.
02:33This is only going to hurt his legacy.
02:35And I am here for it.
02:36Oh, that was borderline pornographic last night.
02:40I enjoyed every single second of it.
02:43That was the best.
02:45Okay, we're going to start off with some thoughts on this.
02:46It is a Big Boy Tuesday.
02:47Hi, Greg.
02:48Hi, guys.
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03:00We're going to start with the Belichick stuff.
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03:04Would you make a last night there, Greg?
03:06So I did, I'll just let you know, I didn't watch, like, a ton of it.
03:10I had it on one TV screen.
03:12I was certainly interested in the beginning and then the debacle a bit as it unfolded.
03:17You know, a couple things.
03:20And this is going to go for week one college football, week one NFL.
03:24I am just not one of these guys that is going to overreact to stuff.
03:27I just can't do it.
03:30And, look, as far as Belichick goes, I will say that I do think it's rich
03:39because these guys have just had this arrogance, whether it's Lombardi or Belichick,
03:44about we're going to be the 33rd NFL team.
03:47We know how to do it.
03:49We coached in the NFL.
03:50We're going to run this like an NFL team.
03:53And, you know, Sonny Dykes, who is a really good coach at TCU,
03:57has been for a long time, just sort of stuck it to Belichick.
04:02And I'm sure a lot of college coaches were sort of giggling at it that, you know,
04:06this is a little bit different, Bill.
04:09But one thing I do want to keep in mind is that UNC, have you looked at their schedule?
04:15It's really easy.
04:16Like, they don't play Miami.
04:17They don't play FSU.
04:19Clemson's the only really good team that they play.
04:23You know, they have Charlotte, Richmond, UCF coming up.
04:28And UCF is usually pretty decent.
04:30But it was certainly a bit of humble pie, which, look, personally,
04:35I was happy to see Bill get in his people.
04:39But I'm not going to totally overreact to it.
04:41So what do they do in college?
04:43They have rush week.
04:44You become a pledge.
04:45And then you go to a fraternity.
04:47You get spanked in the ass with a wooden paddle.
04:49So it wasn't anything remotely – Belichick's beating was ten times worse than that last night.
04:56A million times worse.
04:57He got freaking pantsed on national TV by some guy named Sonny, who I've never even heard of,
05:04who basically told him to turn around, pull his pants down, and get spanked on national television.
05:10And I have so many questions about what Belichick has gotten himself into from how did he build the team?
05:17He brought in 70 players.
05:19Did he go after the kinds of guys he went after here?
05:22Guys that weren't superstar players, that loved football, that had good makeup but no talent?
05:29And he went out and got his ass kicked in college football?
05:32And does he really understand the game of college football vis-a-vis the NFL?
05:37It's a completely different animal.
05:40It's largely about talent and speed and, you know, open space and getting one-on-one matchups
05:48that the other team can't defend because you have the better players.
05:51I'm not sure he's ready to deal with what college football is.
05:55He looked like a 73-year-old man who was in way above his head.
06:02There were times they showed him on the sideline, like, he had this look on his face like he didn't know what was going on.
06:07He looked like the end here.
06:10That's what also made it so delicious.
06:12It felt like the last year here.
06:14His last two games as a head coach, both home losses, by the way, his team's committed four turnovers and they're outscored 65-17.
06:21That last night was kind of what you got at the end here.
06:25Nothing's really changed.
06:26The game's passed him by.
06:28Most points he's ever given up as a coach.
06:30Unbelievable.
06:31I know two were on offense, right?
06:34His offense gave up 14 points, but they still allowed 543 yards.
06:39Correct.
06:39200 and how many on the ground?
06:4150?
06:4270?
06:42Whatever it was.
06:43I don't have it in front of me.
06:43It was a ridiculous number.
06:44I wrote it down and I forgot.
06:45They couldn't tackle.
06:47Or even when they tried, it was like a half-assed effort.
06:50So, no, he was definitely coaching them up there, too.
06:52The defensive genius.
06:53They wouldn't even tackle.
06:55258 yards rushing, Maz.
06:577.4 per carry.
06:59I mean, a Bill Belichick team giving up 258 on the ground is emasculating.
07:03That's emasculating.
07:05That number, to me, is worth more than the 500 and whatever yards of offense.
07:12258 on the ground.
07:13You got run over and you built the team.
07:16We keep asking this, but now there's new info.
07:19There's another log on the fire.
07:20Do you think Bill's doing damage to his legacy?
07:23Yes.
07:24Yes.
07:25Yes, he is.
07:26He did last night.
07:27Yes.
07:28Yes.
07:29Everything that happens subsequently either damages or enhances a legacy,
07:33which doesn't mean he's going to the Hall of Fame.
07:36I'm not saying he's not going to go to the Hall of Fame or anything like this,
07:39but what you thought of him, it continues to take a hit.
07:43Hit after hit after hit.
07:45One thing, if it was just all the off-field stuff, you sort of snicker and laugh at that.
07:51It's a sideshow.
07:52But if he could still coach, then that's a different deal.
07:55Then that's just quirky.
07:57But when you see the disaster on the field, the disaster off the field,
08:01now it's all just one thing.
08:04Greg, he's a borderline laughing stock.
08:07People are laughing at him.
08:08That game, I'm not online, but you guys shared memes and all the stuff that was going around.
08:13And Bill in a Chick-fil-A uniform, this is what he would be without Brady.
08:17Or in a Dunks uniform.
08:19Dunks uniform, this is what Bill would be doing without Brady.
08:21Murray must have just been scrolling last night.
08:24Oh, the best.
08:25One of the great nights on Twitter in a while.
08:27And I usually don't tweet much, but I was tweeting up a storm last night.
08:30How can you not?
08:31That was a great night.
08:33Just a great night.
08:34People are obviously laughing at him off the field with the Jordan thing.
08:37He's been getting laughed at.
08:40Last night was a laughing stock on the football field.
08:42Yes.
08:43So, yeah, I think he's doing damage, Greg.
08:45What do you think?
08:45Well, yeah, I would agree with that.
08:47Because you put it together with how it ended with New England, the last couple seasons.
08:54And this rolls right into it.
08:57And I totally understand it.
08:59I do.
09:00I am a little bit cautious.
09:03And, again, maybe I'm just wrong and naive.
09:06Because a lot of this stuff happened when Tom Brady was here.
09:09Almost all of it did.
09:10But I'm reticent to completely write him off.
09:14Because, you know, Bill said last night, and I found the quote, that he said, I know we're a lot better than that.
09:20But, again, maybe I'm naive that I still, when Bill says something like that, then I'm prone to believe him.
09:30But maybe I'm just wrong.
09:32Maybe I just have it wrong.
09:34And I'm too conditioned.
09:35And too much of it was Brady.
09:37And I've been slow to realize that.
09:41But I'm not going to write him off yet.
09:44I just think he's too good.
09:46I like a lot of the coaches on the staff.
09:50Freddie Kitchens is there.
09:51I know Murray loves him a lot.
09:55You know, Steve and Brian are there.
09:56Steve did a nice job for Washington last year on their defense.
10:01I don't think, you know, whatever they gave up last night, I don't think that's indicative of where they are.
10:06I think a lot of it is these guys got over their skis.
10:10When you change out 70 players in one offseason and you go up against a TCU team where the storyline for them is continuity.
10:17Their roster is one of the most intact from the year before in college football.
10:24That's where I think the disparity is.
10:26And I just think those guys are too good as coaches not to improve over the course of the season.
10:32He looked blindsided.
10:33He looked like he wasn't ready for what he got into.
10:37That's the only way I can put it.
10:38The shots of him on the sideline and the result on the field.
10:41They did not look ready for it.
10:43Did you kind of feel bad for him?
10:44No.
10:45Oh, good.
10:45No.
10:46No.
10:46How could you?
10:47No.
10:48He didn't look ready for it.
10:49I mean, how could you with him with the way he's conducted himself all the years?
10:52Like, you know, they say there's a limit to empathy.
10:55That sort of thing you look at and say, I didn't have much empathy for him.
10:59He went in thinking it was going to be easy.
11:01I'll jump into North Carolina.
11:02I'll turn them into a winner.
11:03He got his freaking ass kicked.
11:06And people remember it.
11:08You know, and again, not that it kills what you were as a player or a coach.
11:12Our father will always tell you, our fathers will say, remember Willie Mays when he hung
11:17on and kept trying to play?
11:18And apparently Willie Mays hung on just, you know, really an absurd degree and was really
11:23sad to look at at the end of his career because he kept going.
11:27But he's still Willie Mays, right?
11:29But you ask your dad.
11:30He's like, yeah.
11:30Remember when Willie Mays kept playing?
11:32Like, you remember it.
11:34People are going to remember this last chapter with Belichick.
11:36Definitely.
11:37On the field, off the field, the whole thing.
11:40People are going to remember it.
11:41You remember when Bill lost it?
11:42The, like, delusional out to lunch old man.
11:46Like, it just, it's, it's, he's turned into a laughingstock.
11:50Vinny, were you able to pull that picture of him at the podium?
11:53Can we run that on the simulcast?
11:54Oh, this too.
11:55Did you see this?
11:56Yeah.
11:56Did you see this?
11:57So, when you see Bill Belichick at the podium postgame, it's just a tight shot with the
12:01UNC backdrop behind him.
12:04But they had around him, and you need a wide angle to see it.
12:08I guess we can't run it on the simulcast, but just Google it.
12:11When you pan back a little bit, there's like this, I don't know how else to describe it,
12:15a hoopa, a, like a balloon display that's around him that you would have for a birthday
12:21party, or a bar mitzvah, or a wedding, or something.
12:26A big celebration of sorts, yeah.
12:27A 13-year-old birthday party.
12:29Was it like an archway?
12:30Yes.
12:30An archway.
12:31A balloon archway, yeah.
12:33Gee, I wonder who was behind that idea.
12:35I know.
12:36Whoever could that be.
12:38Sparkle.
12:38That's going around.
12:39People are mocking that, like, he's a laughingstock today.
12:44And that's sad.
12:46You know, it's one thing to have lost it, or not matching Brady, or whatever.
12:50He's getting laughed at.
12:51On the field, off the field, the stuff like, look at a man that's out of place.
12:55And I'm with you.
12:56Who put the balloons there?
12:58Jordan Hudson.
12:58Who was in charge of the decorations?
13:00She's the one that's getting all these trademarks for all these sayings, like it's going to
13:04be a wild success there.
13:06That is pure Jordan Hudson production right there.
13:10It's so corny.
13:11It's just like, dude.
13:13So do you think Michael Jordan and LT are going to be there week two?
13:17I think that's it.