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00:00I'm not trying to hate on wide receivers. It's just out of whack. That's all I see.
00:05Well, it's also out of fact, if you want me to spit some facts about it.
00:09Well, teams that run the ball successfully win more than teams that rely on throwing the ball.
00:16So which part is out of fact?
00:17It's a fact that the running back is, in my opinion, more important than the receiver.
00:23If you have a really good running back or a really good running game, you're more likely to be a winning team.
00:28And I went back to the start of the Shanahan era.
00:31And in that era, which is now eight years, 28 times a team has had more rushing attempts than they have had passing attempts.
00:41Of those 28 times, 20 of them have made the playoffs.
00:46And that is a little bit of a, it's a good sample.
00:50There's some oddities in there, such as, well, last year, for example, five teams ran it more than they passed it.
00:55All five of them made the playoffs, including Philly, who ran it almost 200 more times.
01:01They won the Super Bowl.
01:02And then two years ago, Chicago was one of those teams that ran it more than they passed it.
01:08They went seven and 10.
01:09And it's a little bit of an anomaly because their quarterback was a rookie and they didn't want him to throw it.
01:17Which is why they ran it slightly more than they passed it.
01:20And they went seven and 10.
01:21But what I learned over my deep dive is that teams that run it, yes, normally you have the lead.
01:28And so you can run it.
01:29But when you can run it, that means you have a good running back or a good running game.
01:34And so for me, you look at those teams with the high paid receiver, you're more likely to be a very good team if you have a high paid running back who does well.
01:42Well, I agree with you, number one.
01:45And then number two, I'm just looking at this list.
01:48And so Tyreek Hill started this.
01:51That doesn't make it his fault.
01:53I would have taken it too.
01:54By the way, Tyreek Hill's agent may be a familiar name in this Juwan Jennings conversation.
01:59His name is Drew Rosenhaus.
02:01Oh, boy.
02:02Exact same agent.
02:04And that's what started this.
02:05And the Chiefs correctly said exactly what John Lynch said the other day.
02:12We're not doing that.
02:14So the Dolphins said we will.
02:17And off you go.
02:19And checks notes.
02:21How have the Dolphins done since that trade?
02:23Oh, I know that a couple of you, self-included, by the way, have had fun with fantasy with Tyreek Hill.
02:31Great for fantasy.
02:33But how are the Dolphins doing?
02:35I know they wiggled their way into the playoffs.
02:38If memory serves, I believe, two years ago when they made the playoffs, they went and traveled to play the Kansas City Chiefs.
02:46Oh, boy.
02:47And they got their doors blown off.
02:5026-7.
02:52They got the doors blown off.
02:54So, look around the league.
02:56They were only down 10-7 early second.
02:59Tyreek Hill with a 53-yard touchdown.
03:02Yeah, it's exciting.
03:03From Tunga-Vailoa.
03:04Nice moment for them.
03:06But, I mean, if you do look around at the teams that are expected to be really good this year, of course some of them are paying wide receivers.
03:14Some of them are.
03:15Yeah, you can't all avoid it.
03:17I'm not saying that there aren't some really good ones out there.
03:20But what do the Bills do?
03:21The Bills aren't paying receivers.
03:23What about the Chiefs?
03:24Chiefs aren't paying receivers.
03:26What about the Ravens?
03:27Ravens aren't paying receivers.
03:28The Eagles are paying two receivers.
03:30I don't know what the hell they got going on there where they're able to pay a quarterback, two receivers, a running back, and have a great offensive line and a defensive line.
03:38That sounds like the GM of the year to me.
03:41The Niners are paying receivers until last year.
03:43Obviously, that's a really good football team.
03:47But the Rams just moved on from a receiver.
03:49The Broncos are coming up.
03:51They're sort of paying one receiver.
03:54The Chargers, that's a pretty good team.
03:56They just rebooted their receiver room.
03:58Got rid of their high-priced guys.
04:00Draft someone.
04:01Rookie deal.
04:01Lad McConkie.
04:02So, what is it that is making everybody want to bend over backward and go $30 million to $40 million for a receiver?
04:12Like, what is, other than, I get that those wide, they're big names.
04:19They're marketable.
04:20They're big in fantasy.
04:22Right?
04:23They're kind of the, it's the NFL version of the ha-ha, if you will.
04:27No, it is.
04:29You know what I mean?
04:30They got sex appeal.
04:31They got pizzazz.
04:32And that matters.
04:34So, yes, you have to pay for that.
04:37But I don't know if you need to pay this.
04:39It's not like it's going to lead to you winning games.
04:43And Jawan's wonderful year, from which he wants to get paid, they didn't win.
04:48They didn't win.
04:49Now, that's not his fault.
04:51At all.
04:52But I just, I just think that this is out of whack.
04:56And it's not their fault, but wide receivers' brains have been scrambled.
04:59And it's why so many of them are holding out and asking to and getting traded over the
05:03last four years.
05:04I don't know if the wide receivers' brains are scrambled, but the whole system is somewhat
05:09out of whack.
05:10And that part, I can kind of give you credence to.
05:14But then you look at the list of guys.
05:17Jamar Chase, last year, led the league in catches, yards, touchdowns.
05:21He was amazing.
05:23And I don't believe they made the playoffs.
05:26They did not.
05:26So, is that Jamar's fault?
05:28No.
05:28Is it the franchise's fault?
05:30They found a guy who is A1.
05:32He's probably going to go No. 1 overall in our fantasy draft.
05:34More on that later in the show, as we now have some details emerging about the construct.
05:39But, you know, Jamar Chase is a guy that you pay because he's that good.
05:45Amon Ross, St. Brown, they went 15-2.
05:48And he was No. 2 in catches.
05:50And he was amazing.
05:51And they hope to be good again.
05:53So, it's a little bit hit and miss when it comes to, like, do you pay the guy?
05:57And is that going to lead to winning?
05:59Always exceptions.
06:00But let me ask you this with the Detroit Lions.
06:02And I actually don't know off the top of my head.
06:03How old is Amon Ross, St. Brown?
06:0725 last year.
06:09Is that it?
06:10Really?
06:11He'll be 26 in October.
06:14Born in Anaheim Hills.
06:16I did not realize he was that young.
06:1826.
06:19Okay.
06:19So, this is an interesting one.
06:21Amon Ross, Julian, Heru, Jay, St. Brown.
06:25Amon Ross got paid.
06:27And I don't think the Lions regret that one bit.
06:31I think he's moving into the second year of that deal.
06:34Usually there's an out after three.
06:36I'd have to line this up.
06:37I don't have the info in front of me.
06:38But let's say that Jameer Gibbs is ready for a bag.
06:44It's time for Gibbs to get a bag.
06:47And the Lions are forced into a decision.
06:49If we give Gibbs the bag, we're probably going to have to exercise that contract out from Amon Ross, St. Brown.
06:57And we'll probably have to move on.
06:58Or we could just get into a New York Giants-Barclays situation with Gibbs.
07:04And we can keep Amon Ross, he approaches age 30, and move on from Jameer Gibbs.
07:10What would you do?
07:12Yeah, you'd probably keep Amon Ross and move off of Gibbs.
07:15You would?
07:15I think it would be a worse football team.
07:18Well, it depends on how you're constructing your team.
07:21And if David Montgomery's still there, you still have a good running back.
07:25And I do think that it comes down to that year in the draft and what you feel like you can replace better than the other person you can replace.
07:33The Amon Ross contract is interesting because a lot of the money was not guaranteed at signing.
07:38That really is a $35 million guaranteed at signing.
07:43You spent most of the show arguing that the running back is more important, but you'd pick Amon Ross over Jameer Gibbs?
07:49In this case, yes, because you've got David Montgomery.
07:52And I don't know what his contract situation is.
07:54That is not a compromise at all.
07:55Like, David Montgomery is plotting and effective.
07:58Jameer is electric.
07:59Right.
08:00It brings a complete...
08:01That's kind of like saying you don't need McCaffrey because you have Brian Robinson.
08:05I think it's...
08:05I feel.
08:06Well, and McCaffrey on this team is more important than Gibbs is on Detroit, I would say, compared to Amon Ross and Laporta, the tight end.
08:14I don't know if I agree with that.
08:15Yeah, and I don't...
08:16Yeah.
08:16I mean, we'll see how this plays out.
08:18You know?
08:19So, anyway.
08:20But they got Pearsall, and Detroit's got Amon Ross, who is better than Pearsall, maybe will ever be, hopefully not.
08:26But right now, Amon Ross St. Brown is better than Ricky Pearsall, and David Montgomery is better than Brian Robinson Jr.
08:33Yeah, well, I mean, David's getting up there again.
08:37I'm sort of...
08:37Again, the way NFL teams are thinking about this, you're projecting forward when you get into these cap situations.
08:45And so, there's a reason that you have that contract out after three years or whatever it may be, and it's to kind of stay ahead of the curve.
08:54And I think Jameer Gibbs is about to go into a period of his career where he is one of the most important players in the league.
09:02He's a complete game-changer.
09:03Amon Ross is wonderful, but they've got Jamison Williams, who I think is a really good receiver.
09:09If we're going to look at who else you've got on your roster, like, who's more replaceable?
09:14Who grows on trees more?
09:17I would argue there are more people who can do Amon Ross light than Jameer Gibbs light in this league.
09:24And furthermore, Jameer Gibbs will cost you half as much.
09:30That's what I'm talking about.
09:32And we'll see.
09:32After this year, Jameer will be entering the fourth year of his rookie deal.
09:37But no running backs even hit 20 yet, have they?
09:39Nobody's even hit 20.
09:4120 million.
09:42Yeah.
09:42Average annual?
09:43I thought that...
09:44What is Christian up to?
09:45I think he's at 18 or 19.
09:47Yeah, I have it right here, but I just was looking at Jameer, and he's up.
09:51He's not up, but Saquon's at 20.6.
09:54Okay.
09:55McCaffrey's at 19, and then a big drop to Derrick Henry at 15, and then Jonathan Taylor.
10:00Saquon Barkley, who I think most of us would argue, like, that's why the Eagles won the Super Bowl.
10:05If I've got a list of reasons, that's my first reason.
10:08And he is just barely, and the only running back who's touched 20.
10:13And here's Jawan Jennings over here, who also wants 20 or north of it, so that he can be just in the top 25 in receivers?
10:21Right.
10:22You're telling me that Jamar Chase is double Saquon Barkley?
10:26It's out of whack!
10:28Completely.
10:29It's totally out of whack!
10:30And because of that, and I don't think that, for me anyway, I don't look at Tyreek Hill and say,
10:35thanks, Tyreek, you kind of ruined it.
10:37No, but...
10:37It's all these teams, including the Niners.
10:39Absolutely.
10:39The Niners giving Brandon Ayuk 30 has made it so, if you are Jawan Jennings, and you look at Ayuk,
10:45you think, I'm at least half the player that he is.
10:48And honestly, if you're Jawan, you're thinking that you're closer to two-thirds of the player,
10:53or maybe even more than that, considering you're healthy and he's not.
10:57And so, you're sitting here trying to play out your last year, your deal on whatever,
11:02five million or seven million, whatever the actual number is, and I get where you'd be
11:06a little angry, but the whole thing is out of whack, and all these teams who keep making
11:12these mistakes in contracts, it doesn't mean you have to keep making mistakes.
11:15I agree with that.
11:16Yeah.
11:17No, it's just more, it's not Tyreek's fault.
11:19I mean, the Dolphins started it, and then everybody joined in on the, you know what I mean?
11:23The Dolphins were the ones who jumped off of the bridge into the lake, and then all of
11:28their friends went, that looks fun, and they all jumped off, and you're all stupid.
11:32Larry in Hayward.
11:33Hi, Larry.
11:34Thank you for calling.
11:35What's up?
11:38Hey, guys.
11:38So, when you guys play fantasy football, what do you see going off the top board on the
11:43first and second round most?
11:45Do you see running backs or wide receivers?
11:46Well, it's changed over the last couple of years, Larry.
11:49Like, it used to be absolutely in ink that people were grabbing the running backs as
11:54quickly as possible.
11:55Now, it has started to slant a little bit more toward receivers, no doubt.
12:00Part of that is because a lot of teams are throwing the ball a lot more, but you can make
12:05healthy arguments for B. John Robinson, Jameer Gibbs, Saquon Barkley.
12:10You're watching all of these guys go in the top half of the first round as well.
12:15Like, I bet at the end of a normal first round, you're looking at almost a 50-50 split
12:21in terms of wide receivers and running backs, maybe a touch more wide receivers.
12:28And then now you've got Juwan Jennings that wants more than Saquon Barkley.
12:32I mean, I think Saquon Barkley was the reason why the Eagles won the Super Bowl, not because
12:37of their wide receiver performance.
12:38I agree.
12:39I agree.
12:40And, Larry, thank you.
12:40I mean, I guess the point that I'm getting at is I wonder, and it's too late, you know
12:47what I mean?
12:48Like, the toothpaste is all over the counter now.
12:51Out of the tube.
12:52Yeah.
12:52But don't you think it'd be better if a football team, when somebody wanted a new contract,
12:59they could sort of, like, the comparison would be like, what's your importance to this team?
13:05And what's your importance to winning football games?
13:07But instead, it's solely like, what do the other people at my position make around the
13:13league?
13:14And there's no other way to do it.
13:16That's the way you do it.
13:18But it's crazy.
13:19It's crazy.
13:20It's crazy that Brandon Ayuk makes $3 for every two that Christian makes.
13:26That's nuts.
13:27Yeah.
13:28That is positively, that's lunacy.
13:31Well, and that's the 49ers who screwed it up.
13:33And I'm not just saying this because he got hurt, I'm saying it because of the way the
13:3749ers are built.
13:38And that's where you're just laying that out like, yeah, the market's going to determine
13:43what you make based on the market.
13:44Well, that's fine, and that's actually true, but you look at Brock Purdy, and Brock Purdy
13:49didn't get top of the market because, in part, of his situation.
13:53He wasn't yet a restricted or unrestricted free agent.
13:57He still had a year in his deal, and he's really good in this system.
14:00So there are factors that play into all these things, and that's where I look at Juwan.
14:06And yeah, you look at just last year, he was a top 20 wide receiver in the NFL.
14:11It doesn't automatically mean that you are that valuable to this team, your team, when
14:17they've got other guys who can probably approximate what you do.
14:20I mean, I don't know.
14:22Again, the toothpaste is out of the tube.
14:24I'm not suggesting that the 49ers launch some sort of protest.
14:30In a way, they already are.
14:32But they're not doing it at the top of the market because Juwan Jennings is not a top
14:35of the market player.
14:37But the quarterback thing did correct itself a little bit.
14:41You're still seeing guys get between $50 and $60 million, but it corrected off of the
14:46Deshaun Watson deal.
14:47In other words, not everybody's getting full guarantees.
14:51In fact, almost nobody.
14:52Yeah, Kirk Cousins only.
14:53Although, and Cousins was before Deshaun.
14:56Right.
14:56So he did it first, then Deshaun did it, and then owners are like, we're not doing that.
15:01So, like, collectively, and whether it was collusion or not, up to you, but they're not
15:06doing that anymore.
15:07I wonder if there is a way to slowly start the process of undoing this.
15:13And I thought last year was such a perfect advertisement for it.
15:18Barkley, Derrick Henry, Josh Jacobs, you know, Joe Mixon.
15:23All of these great years by running backs that had been tossed aside by their previous teams.
15:28Not even traded.
15:30Just, you leave.
15:32Just leave.
15:32And then somebody else would come in and grab them, and then, boom, they would have a great
15:38year.
15:38What a great advertisement.
15:40Meantime, here's the Bengals paying two guys and not making the playoffs.
15:44I'm like, this is a perfect advertisement for guys.
15:47The market's out of whack, but it didn't stop.
15:50The Bengals, with the information that they didn't make the playoffs and their defense was
15:54awful, immediately marched into the negotiating room and paid both of their receivers.
16:00Okay.
16:01I don't get it.
16:02So, I support Jawan's effort here.
16:06Right.
16:07But if these numbers are accurate, he's wrong, and I support the Niners saying no.
16:11I think that he's in the wrong place for it, and it all comes down to situation and circumstance,
16:17and that's where Jawan Jennings had a great year for the wrong team at the wrong time.
16:23In other words, the Niners, even last year when they threw it more than they ran it, and
16:28they did that because they had to.
16:30When things are good with the 49ers, and I've looked at every single year, Mark, under
16:34Shanahan, when they run it more than they pass it, they either go to the NFC Championship
16:39or they go to the Super Bowl.
16:41So, you're Jawan, and you had a big year on a bad team.
16:45It was the wrong year at the wrong time on the wrong team because this team has already
16:50valued, overvalued, a receiver, and they're not going to overvalue another guy.
16:55And they traded a boombox guy because he was making too much money, and he was heading
17:01toward the downside of his career, and now they don't want to do the same thing with
17:05Jawan Jennings.
17:05So, wrong year, wrong team, wrong time.
17:09I'm not saying that you don't pay any of them.
17:11I don't think you should have to pay them this much, but again, too late.
17:16So, if you are Justin Jefferson, sure, I would do that.
17:20If you are Jamar Chase, yeah, I would do that.
17:22If I were the Bengals, I probably would have tried to trade T. Higgins and lock up Trey
17:27Hendrickson and get a better defense.
17:29Because you can find a different wide receiver, too, without paying him $28.7 million.
17:38You're a wide receiver, too.
17:42And, by the way...
17:43He's their wide receiver, too, but you throw it so much that he's like a one and a half.
17:47You know what I mean?
17:48And why do you throw it so much, Dibs?
17:50Because you have a terrible defense, and you need to win 40-39.
17:54Because the other team scores 35 points.
17:56So, that's the way they're built, and the Niners are built to where we only have two receivers
18:01at a time anyway.
18:03So, all right, Jawan, you want to play hardball?
18:05We don't really need you anyway, because our No. 1 receiver is Kittle.
18:09Our No. 2 is Pearsall.
18:10Our No. 3 is McCaffrey.
18:13And then we'll get to you.
18:14Yeah.
18:14No, and the proof is in the pudding on the Dolphins being the leaders on this,
18:18because not only did they start it with Tyreek Hill at 30,
18:21they've given Jalen Waddell 28.2.
18:23Yeah.
18:23And I actually think Jalen Waddell's a really good player, but he wasn't last year.
18:27And that contract looks completely out of whack.
18:31Jalen Waddell making 28.2 million dollars.
18:34So, all of these teams have either had to make a choice, and so, yes, I support the Cowboys
18:40paying CD, and the Vikings doing Justin, and the Bengals locking up Jamar Chase.
18:46A.J. Brown's a wonderful player, and Devontae Smith did not want to haggle and get his 25
18:51up to 30.
18:52So, you can support that.
18:54But all over the league, I mean, it did start with the Chiefs being like,
18:58no, Tyreek, you're getting traded.
19:00D.K. Metcalf, you're getting traded.
19:03Debo Samuel, you're getting traded.
19:05Brandon Iyuk, you probably should have gotten traded.
19:09A.J. Brown went to the Eagles.
19:10How?
19:11You got traded.
19:12Because these guys are asking for dollars that are making their teams essentially say,
19:17I'm either going to go and pay premium dollar for somebody who is really popular and will
19:24sell jerseys and will do fantasy football, but it is really going to get in the way of
19:30us winning.
19:32Potentially.
19:32And it didn't with the Eagles.
19:34And they deserve unbelievable amounts of credit.
19:37I'd love to see their books.
19:38I don't understand it.
19:40I really don't.
19:41I don't understand how Devontae and A.J. are both north of 25.
19:45Jalen Hurts has been paid.
19:46Saquon Barkley's getting 20 and you got the best lines on both sides of the ball.
19:51Good on you.
19:52That's just incredible work from a front office.
19:54Howie Roseman.
19:55Outside of that.
19:56Best in the business.
19:57Outside of that, I'm looking at all these teams who are like, yeah, man, let's have fun.
20:01Well, you're wasted in going home early.
20:04The top teams in the league are not on this list.
20:09They're just not.
20:10They're not.
20:11And unfortunately, the 49ers are on here once.
20:15And that's not a death blow.
20:17But, yeah, don't go on there twice.
20:19Don't do it.
20:20They are correct if this is what Jawan wants.
20:24Right.
20:24And whatever Jawan wants, they clearly don't want to pay it.
20:27And the thing about Philly, and I'm just looking at their spot track, a lot of the salaries that you are reporting, they are salaries.
20:35But the cap hits are much smaller because I think that they do it the way the Niners do, which is a lot of bonuses.
20:40And you've got, you know, Devontae Smith, his cap hit this year is $7.5 million.
20:46And A.J. Brown is $17.5 million, the cap hit.
20:49So you're able to spread a lot of the bonus money out.
20:53So you don't have a ton of guys making a huge cap number this year for Philly.
20:59And that's kind of what the Niners have been successful at.
21:02But now that you've got Brock Purdy heading toward $53 million a year, things are getting a little bit tighter down there in Santa Clara.
21:08No doubt.
21:09And I hope everybody actually takes this with them for the next few years.
21:12When you start seeing the 49ers, and you already had to do it this year, when you start seeing the 49ers have to make difficult financial decisions that you as a fan don't like, don't look at Brock Purdy.
21:27Look at Brandon Ayuk.
21:28That's the contract that they regret.
21:31And that's not, again, this isn't about fault.
21:34Get whatever you can get.
21:36But if you want to look at which contract is not helping winning, and is probably getting in the way of anything else they're trying to do, that's the bad contract.
21:48Not the quarterback.
21:49The quarterback in the 50s, I mean, join the club.
21:53Everybody's paying their good quarterback in the 50s.
21:56If you've got a good one, you're paying them in the 50s.
21:58And I can't help but think about what Seattle did with D.K. Metcalf, where they didn't give him the Brandon Ayuk contract.
22:05Instead, they traded him to Pittsburgh, and they got a second-round pick back.
22:10And then Pittsburgh said, yeah, D.K., we're going to give you $27 million a year, whatever the number was.
22:1633.
22:17He got 33.
22:17He's number four in the league.
22:20And D.K.'s great.
22:21He's good.
22:22He's good.
22:22He's very good.
22:23I'll say he's great for the sake of the argument, but you're paying your receiver that much money, and you've got Aaron Rodgers as your quarterback?
22:31I want to ask you if you do get the number one pick if you're taking Jamar.
22:35Don't answer me yet.
22:36And 888-957-9570.
22:39Wide receiver or running back?
22:41Where do you want your money?
22:42Where do you want a great player?
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