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00:00Aaron Schatz is going to join us at 4.15.
00:05Schatz was part of a panel that included Lewis Riddick with ESPN,
00:11and they put together a piece of content just earlier this week
00:17that looks at the next three years of the NFL.
00:22And basically let's rank the teams based on their current situation
00:27and what their three-year outlook is.
00:32I think they had the Niners at 8th.
00:348th overall?
00:358th overall.
00:35That's not bad.
00:36Not bad at all.
00:37Especially when you think about three years from now,
00:40you're probably going to need, between now and then, a left tackle.
00:45I mean, Trent said he wants to play as long as he can play,
00:47but he'll be 40 in three years.
00:49I think Fred Warner would be near the end at that point at 33.
00:55Kittle would be 35.
00:57McCaffrey would be 33.
00:58So when you think about in three years,
01:00you're going to probably have to replace all of them.
01:03Purdy will still be under contract making that chicken.
01:07Ayuk would be probably elsewhere by then,
01:11or healthy and good enough to where he's become a next-level guy.
01:15And then you look at all these youngsters that you have,
01:18they're all going to be either extended or kept,
01:21or new guys will take their place.
01:23How do y'all feel about, like,
01:24we've spent so much time talking about the Niners this year.
01:28How do y'all feel about the future but short-term?
01:32The short-term future of the 49ers right now.
01:35I mean, my sort of, like, comfort in all of this,
01:39and I do hear it in Kyle Shanahan's voice,
01:43even though yesterday we spoke a lot about how the Niners are tempering expectations.
01:49They're trying to remind people,
01:51we're not rebuilding, but, boy, we've had to retool a lot.
01:54We've got a lot of young guys.
01:55We're not going to know how good they are until midseason,
01:58maybe even next season.
01:59You hope that they get better each week.
02:01All these kinds of quotes, right?
02:03So they're out there tempering enthusiasm.
02:07But at the same time,
02:09I do know that the 49ers,
02:14when this particular regime took them over,
02:17they were the worst team in the league.
02:19They were the worst roster in the league.
02:20They walked in, and they replaced just about everybody
02:25in the starting lineup on both sides of the ball,
02:28save a couple people here or there.
02:29So what I'm saying is,
02:33this is the group who did this once before,
02:36and they did it at a time where it was much harder.
02:40It was much harder than it is now,
02:42because that group did not have a bunch of good players on the team.
02:45This group has a bunch of good players on the team.
02:48So this is a smaller job,
02:50and you do it on the fly a little bit more.
02:53And last time, they were able to take that
02:54from the worst team in the league to the Super Bowl in two years.
02:57And so I'm not saying that it'll be perfect this time around,
03:02but I already know that this group can do it.
03:05They did it once when it was way harder than it is now.
03:08I think that that's got to be a comforting feeling for 49er fans.
03:13This group knows how to roster construct,
03:17despite all of the misses in the early rounds of the draft
03:20that many of you will point out.
03:22Right.
03:22Well, a couple of things.
03:24One, they weren't the worst team in the league.
03:25Cleveland was 1-15, which is why the Niners picked second.
03:28Worst roster in the league, in my opinion.
03:30Perhaps.
03:30Is what I was getting at.
03:31I'd have to look at the Cleveland roster,
03:32because my gut tells me that Cleveland's roster was somehow worse.
03:35But Shanahan said it in that cut.
03:37We've all played for a couple of days
03:39about them changing out everyone on offense and stuff,
03:42except for Joe Staley.
03:43And the defense was the same.
03:45And it took a couple of years to get it rolling.
03:47But it did help that you had the No. 2 overall pick.
03:50And you did have some high first-round picks.
03:52But yeah, roster construction-wise, they've been able to do it.
03:56And they've actually made two runs at the Lombardi over his tenure.
04:01And they've done it with two different quarterbacks.
04:02And they've done it with two different core running back guys.
04:06McCaffrey was a part of one, but not the other.
04:09Kittle's one of the only people, offensively, to be a part of both of them.
04:13And so, yeah, I give them a lot of faith.
04:16I have faith that they can do it again.
04:19And honestly, it should already be underway.
04:22Last year's draft class was good enough to where you have a lot of those guys as starters now.
04:26If this draft class, with more players that you picked, can be that good,
04:31well then the reload, so to speak, is already underway.
04:35I'll say this, and this is not a rational thought.
04:38It is just a feeling.
04:40Do you ever get the feeling where you're just, you know, it's almost like that whenever you leave for vacation,
04:46you're like, damn it, I feel like I left something at home.
04:48Probably not.
04:49Maybe.
04:51So what if you did?
04:52You can buy a new toothbrush when you get there.
04:55But we have those gut feelings.
04:57And I don't know what it was.
04:59But I woke up today and I went, what if this is heading in a complete different direction
05:05than what I think a lot of people are thinking right now?
05:07I think that there is a sort of cautious optimism about the Niners,
05:13but there's also this like, woo, there's a lot of question marks,
05:16and definitely early in the year there's going to be some holes.
05:20And they'll probably lead to some lost games there.
05:22The wide receiver core is a mess.
05:24We don't even really know who's starting at half the defensive positions.
05:27It's probably going to be a problem.
05:29But I woke up today and I went, you know what, what if this does mimic the first time
05:37that Kyle Shanahan sort of built a roster?
05:41And everybody thought they were going to go 5-11.
05:44And they came out and went to the Super Bowl, and they were phenomenal.
05:47Like, they were really good.
05:48They didn't lose a game, I think, until week nine.
05:50Yep.
05:51And I was like, what if, what if, what if that happens?
05:57What if Williams and, and, and West and or Collins and Segal at safety,
06:04like, what if, what if they're a bunch of studs?
06:07And what if Mustafa gets added back to this?
06:10And Ayuk gets added back to this?
06:12And, and Pierce all pops and Christian stays healthy.
06:15And, like, what if the Niners are fantastic?
06:19And so I'm thinking that, and I'm crossing the bridge.
06:23And then Evan and Goo have Lo'Neal on.
06:28Ya boy.
06:29Ya boy comes on.
06:31And this is an incredibly small sample.
06:34But he pointed something out.
06:36Do you realize that, that last week, we had what felt like, to me,
06:40an avalanche of concern based on the fact that the 49ers got whipped around
06:48joint practice with the Broncos.
06:50They did.
06:52Right?
06:52Sure.
06:53Shasky called in and everything was a problem.
06:57But there's been no talk about the fact that two days later,
07:02they played an actual game.
07:05And the Niners' twos played the Broncos' ones for an entire quarter of football.
07:13And as Lo'Neal, his words, not mine, on both sides of the ball,
07:19totally dominated the Denver Broncos.
07:23Right.
07:23To a 9-0 score at the end of one quarter.
07:26But what about our threes, Mark?
07:27Our threes couldn't stand up.
07:29What about the threes?
07:32They're going to get cut.
07:33That's what's going to happen to the threes.
07:37So, is that fair?
07:39Do you feel the same way?
07:41Did we have way more discussion about the first 27 minutes of a joint practice
07:47than we did about the first 15 minutes of an actual game
07:51that went the exact opposite direction?
07:54Yeah, we probably did.
07:55But I'm always of the mind where preseason results don't matter.
07:59Joint practices and apologies to Elliot Shore Parks of the Philadelphia Eagles
08:05who put out that Sirianni, they're 10-3 in joint practices.
08:09That was one of the more embarrassing tweets I've ever seen in my life.
08:11Without a doubt.
08:12And if you don't know what we're talking about,
08:14he personally has graded every joint practice under Sirianni,
08:17and he decides who wins the joint practice,
08:20which is comical in and of itself.
08:23But then to put out a record based on your observations is embarrassing.
08:27So, I look at joint practices and I think about how players look in one-on-ones.
08:32I'm not there.
08:33I lean on the experts who see it.
08:35And, you know, you hear a lot about Sebastian Valdez,
08:37and I can't wait to see him in another game.
08:40He's the guy who's about 5'11", 300.
08:43And he's exactly what they kind of need, a real space eater in the A-gap
08:49and three technique, as Lo was talking earlier.
08:51And so, when we get into another preseason game, another preseason game,
08:55all of that matters a little bit.
08:57Then you get to week one, and we're going to find out exactly what this team is all about.
09:02Can I read this tweet to you?
09:04Elliott Shore Parks.
09:05He's an Eagles reporter for WIP in Philadelphia.
09:08Sister Station, right?
09:09Yeah.
09:10We should have him on.
09:11Yeah, well, or not.
09:12Because, you know, and Elliott does this, and that's fine.
09:15Elliott is a little bit of a social media flamethrower, if you will.
09:21And it's pom-poms, too, when it comes to the Eagles.
09:23Yeah, that's fine.
09:24Like, whatever.
09:24Like, we've all got our perspective, but this is such –
09:30I don't even know if he meant this to be some sort of a fireball.
09:33But listen to this.
09:34I don't even understand what the first sentence means, to be honest with you.
09:38This is what he wrote.
09:40Sirianni and Hurts are now 10-3 in joint practices after splitting with the Cleveland Browns.
09:49What does that mean?
09:50Splitting.
09:51I think that means –
09:51Do they have multiple joint practices?
09:53Normally, when you have a joint practice, it's your ones on offense against their ones on defense,
09:58and then your ones on defense against their ones on offense.
10:01So he's saying maybe that they won on offense but not on defense or vice versa?
10:04I think that's what he's saying, yeah.
10:05Unless they did two days of joint practices.
10:08Right, because –
10:08But he only references Sirianni and Hurts.
10:11Jalen Hurts cannot lose on defense.
10:13He doesn't play on that side of the ball.
10:15He's unbeaten.
10:15Right.
10:16So I don't like –
10:17First question, what are you talking about?
10:20And then, once we get that answer, which we won't, then he jumps to this.
10:26Their 77% winning percentage in joint practices is slightly higher than their 73% winning percentage in the regular season.
10:36Bottom line, Sirianni and Hurts win at a crazy high percentage.
10:43And I'm like, first of all, I don't – is there any other human on planet Earth that is assessing wins and losses to joint practices?
10:54I can't tell you guys how he's exactly weighing a split if it's offense versus defense or whatever.
11:01Teams do two days of joint practices.
11:03Because the Diners used to do it, Shanahan has moved away from it because he has always thought the team that loses day one comes out in game day two and just picks fights the whole practice.
11:12Right.
11:12So it hasn't been worth it.
11:13Got it.
11:14I think teams still do two days of joint practices.
11:17Okay, because Shanahan actually has done a lot of – you know, he sort of got the guys ready for this Raiders joint practice by saying,
11:24they're going to try to fight you.
11:25Let's not fight you.
11:26Little did he know that Evan Giddings was going to spend an hour of his show talking about how he's ticked off that there are no fights.
11:33In the joint practices.
11:35And I'm like, okay, I get like the concept of what he's saying is that he wants them to show some fight.
11:43And therefore fights show that they've got a little bit of that dog in them.
11:48But I also think that is – that's a dangerous proposition.
11:52And if I'm a veteran team, I am not interested in, for instance, putting Trent Williams out there so that Max Crosby can fight him
12:00and put him in harm's way in the preseason when 20 guys are already missing.
12:05And that's the other part of it is they can't afford to have guys get ejected from practice because they're running thin already.
12:10And listening to Evan and Loneal kind of backed him up.
12:13And so I'll give him a little bit more credence based on that because Loneal from the old school, yeah, in camp you would fight.
12:21But what it made me think about, Mark, is that we don't fight in sports at all ever.
12:26Think about baseball bench-clearing brawls.
12:28We don't clear the benches anymore.
12:30Sometimes we clear the benches and then we mill around.
12:33It used to be where – think about, what is it, Morse and Samarja, where Morse comes flying in and lights up Samarja
12:42and one of them ended up missing time and attacking his own guy.
12:46Yeah, well, was that the – was that the –
12:49The Bryce Harper.
12:50Bryce Harper thing.
12:52It ended Morse's career.
12:53It ended Morse's career.
12:54Right.
12:55But even then, even back then, that was a good one,
12:58but the majority of baseball fights are people just pushing their chest out
13:04and being like, I'll meet you outside.
13:07No, I'll meet you outside.
13:08Okay.
13:09Don't sit down.
13:09We don't even see the batter charge the mound anymore.
13:12And in basketball, we don't fight anymore.
13:15We might, like, get together and dance, or Draymond Green might choke a Frenchman, but –
13:19And then you get suspended for an entire month.
13:21Exactly.
13:22Yeah.
13:22So the idea of fighting in pro sports, it's kind of gone the way of the dodo bird,
13:26except for hockey, where I got these gloves, and I'm going to drop them.
13:31Yeah.
13:31Because that's what we do.
13:33And that's – by the way, I think a lot of people romanticize that.
13:35Hockey doesn't let them fight because they think it's cool.
13:38Hockey lets them fight because hockey players have weapons in their hands at all times.
13:44And the thought is, is if you don't create a space for them to get their competitive energy out,
13:51somebody is going to whack somebody with a stick, and somebody is going to get killed.
13:54And we've seen it.
13:54Right.
13:55So that's why – and you even see, when they fight, there's, like, rules.
13:59You have to put the sticks down, put your gloves down, nobody falls down,
14:04they'll hold each other up, and do – it's like no one's going to get hurt doing that.
14:07By the way, and nobody else can come to the party one-on-one.
14:11If we get to two-on-one, eh, that's it.
14:13Well, this year in the playoffs, in one of the series, we actually had a five-on-five,
14:17where everybody on the ice fought.
14:19Well, you can do sharks and jets if you want.
14:21Yeah.
14:21Yeah, you can all dance with each other.
14:23Shut up, West Side Story.
14:24God, how old are we?
14:26Anyway, you can do that if you want, but you can't actually have five people scrum on top
14:32of each other on the ground, rolling around.
14:34Like, no, you can't do that.
14:36So, yeah, I'm with you.
14:38Did you see the Cowboys?
14:40Schottenheimer stopped a practice two weeks ago because there were training camp fights
14:45between his own players, and he said, do you guys want to fight?
14:49Is that what you want to do?
14:50You want to fight?
14:51If you don't stop fighting, I have an idea.
14:53Tell you what, we're just not going to practice anymore.
14:54Here's what we're going to do.
14:55It's a three-letter word.
14:56It's called run.
14:57Bye.
14:58Run.
14:59It's one of your favorites.
15:00Take a lap.
15:01Now.
15:01And don't stop until I tell you too.
15:04Ready?
15:04Go.
15:04Dude, I got PTSD because of my high school basketball coach, San Mateo High School.
15:09He used to go, big lap, go.
15:12Big lap, go.
15:12And that was it.
15:13And big lap, go meant you were running around the entire school.
15:17Yep.
15:17Off the school grounds, and this is a major city block, four square in San Mateo.
15:25And, dude, it was, like, brutal.
15:26In your basketball shoes, too.
15:28Yeah, yeah.
15:29It's like, dude, you guys stink.
15:30You're running the wrong way.
15:31Big lap, go.
15:33And you know what?
15:34It got our attention.
15:35Yep.
15:35Because y'all didn't want a big lap, go.
15:37No.
15:37I want a big lap.
15:38No.
15:38That's right.
15:39That's what I wanted to do.
15:40Yeah.
15:40That's so funny.
15:41Yeah.
15:42I mean, fighting, fine.
15:44If you want to fight, go ahead and fight.
15:45But I don't think that it serves much of a purpose.
15:48But to Grandy's point, about two-day joint practices, day two is when that stuff starts
15:54to purkly.
15:55Unless you're Michael Penix Jr. and you're trash-talking after a touchdown pass, and now I'm going to be
16:01a second-year tough guy, and I'm going to get into it with you.
16:03So, all right, go ahead and fire away.
16:07We're all competitive, and come September, there's not going to be any real fights in
16:11an NFL game because you can't afford to get ejected.
16:14I'd love to hear all the quarterbacks get mic'd up.
16:16This is a complete quick aside, but I feel like quarterback trash talk is something that
16:22people don't know a whole hell of a lot about because every quarterback is wired differently.
16:28Do you remember when Andrew Luck was mic'd up?
16:30And they, like, if you don't know this, Andrew Luck was a whack-a-doodle.
16:35Not in trash talk, but almost like overly nice to everybody.
16:40Somebody would plow their helmet into his chest, and he'd be on the ground.
16:44He'd be like, great hit.
16:46He'd just do a great hit, and then you'd slap him on the back of the head, and he'd just
16:49be like, nice job.
16:50Good to see you.
16:51Like, he was crazy.
16:53It wasn't trash talk, but it almost worked out that way because, like, you're trying to
16:58intimidate this guy, and he's just over there complimenting you.
17:01Yeah.
17:02It came off as really weird.
17:04A little bit.
17:04Yeah.
17:05Mahomes is a little bit more trashy, and he's got that Kermit voice.
17:08Yep.
17:09But I feel like most of us in our mind, we think the quarterback is just like, he's just
17:15there, and he celebrates.
17:16And the trash talk is between all the skilled position guys on both sides of the ball.
17:20But, dude, Brady was a huge trash talker.
17:24And then I do.
17:25I think there's others who don't say a damn word.
17:28Seeing all this Netflix stuff about Kirk Cousins is weird.
17:31He says all kinds of stuff out there.
17:34But he's so, like, wholesome and nerdy that it's like it would never land.
17:41It would just, I don't know, man.
17:43They're all very cut from different cloths.
17:46I think they should all be mic'd up.
17:48Yeah.
17:48I mean, more mics would be great on the field, and, you know, the more of that access that
17:52you don't normally get, the better as a fan, you know?
17:55No doubt.
17:56But, anyway, I thought that was a, that was a, that was a very weird, I've never heard
18:02it pitched that way.
18:0477% winning percentage in joint practices.
18:07It's nonsense.
18:08I don't get it.
18:08Yeah.
18:09And you were talking earlier about the Niners and this year.
18:13Three years.
18:13Right.
18:14How do you feel about the next three years in terms of, like, an optimism or pessimism meter?
18:18Well, think about the first three years since they took over.
18:21The first year, they started out 0-9, and they wound up 6-10, then Garoppolo gets hurt,
18:28and you go 4-12, and off that year, you get into 2019, and you won your first eight, and
18:34you went to the Super Bowl.
18:35So, that was kind of that three-year window, and in that, you got Jimmy Garoppolo, and he
18:41did well, and the end of the first year, you signed him, and he got hurt, and that was
18:45a bummer, and then he came back in year three, and you went to the Super Bowl, and it's interesting.
18:49I'm looking at just the first game of the year against Tampa, and Jimmy Garoppolo was
18:55kind of like what you would expect, 166 yards passing, one touchdown, one pick, Mostert
19:02ran for 40, Breida 37, Coleman 23, they had three interceptions, and two pick sixes.
19:10Richard Sherman to the house, Akella Weatherspoon to the house.
19:14And so, that team, Robert Sala as your DC, had an amazing defense, a nasty D, so Jimmy
19:21Garoppolo could win games throwing for $1.66, you barely got to 100 yards on the ground,
19:28you won 31-17 because your defense had three takeaways.
19:31So, it makes me think about this year, and your point about Brock.
19:35Brock doesn't have to be a top 100 NFL player if the defense is really good, and you're able
19:41to not turn the ball over.
19:43See, I think, though, that sometimes we sort of make the mistake of thinking if a defense
19:47is really good, the only way to have that happen is to have dominant players at every
19:52position, and that's just not the case.
19:55Go to that defense that you just brought up, right?
19:57The 49ers went to the Super Bowl in 2019.
20:00Do you remember how many interceptions they had the year before that?
20:03I think it was two.
20:04Correct.
20:05It was two.
20:05It was two.
20:06Do you know how many changes they had in the secondary to the following year when they
20:10went to the Super Bowl?
20:11I'm pretty sure it was none.
20:13It was the same people.
20:15Was Sherm on that team that had two picks?
20:17I believe so.
20:18And you can look it up.
20:19I might be wrong.
20:20I'm not one of these, like, I remember the roster.
20:23Right.
20:23But it was pretty much the same personnel, and all of a sudden, they were phenomenal,
20:29productive secondary.
20:31And the main reason was that Nick Bosa was on the team.
20:33And they were chasing the quarterback at a completely different rate.
20:38They were also playing those last-place-type schedules and things like that.
20:44And so, Robert Sala is a phenomenal defensive coordinator.
20:51Nick Sorensen is not.
20:53Steve Wilks is, but was ill-fitting, in my opinion, and I think theirs.
20:59And so, like, I firmly believe this is maybe one of the most important things about this
21:06year's 49ers.
21:07This is the first time in three years that I believe they will play complementary football
21:13correctly.
21:14Their defensive coordinator knows what he's doing with this group in this system, had
21:22a hand in drafting these players, is working with them, is not going to keep it vanilla,
21:28and I just think you're going to get a totally different level of productivity from this
21:34defense, particularly because of the quarterbacks they're going against, who largely aren't
21:39great.
21:39And that changes everything in terms of what the other side of the ball has to do to win
21:45a football game.
21:46Yeah.
21:46Sherm was on that 2018 team, and the next year you added Bosa, and you had, you still
21:52had DeForest Buckner in Armstead, and you had Fred Warner, and you had Greenlaw as a rookie.
21:57You rushed the passer.
21:58You had a Keller with a spoon.
22:00Yeah.
22:00You rushed the passer.
22:01Your front seven was disruptive, and that's what this team needs to be to play that complementary
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