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Zolak and Bertrand, with Alex Barth filling in for Beetle, ponder what is the latest news on the Red Sox allegedly stealing their opponents' signs.
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00:00Scooble talking about first and third base coach for the Boston Red Sox going up the line,
00:09stealing some signs there, and the paranoia that surrounds it.
00:14Lean into it if you're the Red Sox.
00:16Absolutely.
00:16Lean into it.
00:17That's a joke.
00:18He even mentions it.
00:19He says, you know what?
00:21It's one of those things where you're paranoid about it, and now it feels like they're also
00:24pretending that they have signs, and now you're paranoid because you think they have signs
00:28when really they don't.
00:28And again, I think that goes to the lack of focus that you have with the Boston Red Sox.
00:33So it is a good thing that not only maybe you are stealing signs, but also you're creating
00:37this thing where all of a sudden it's in a pitcher's head where the focus isn't necessarily
00:42on the batter.
00:43I think it's a huge win for the Boston Red Sox.
00:45Crazy story, though, and it's not going away.
00:47It's also now you have context to what happened with Tyler Anderson.
00:50Great point, Milliken.
00:51He went straight to Jose Flores, who would be there on the first base side, whether he
00:55was in the box or not.
00:56And I kind of was going back through film just trying to see where some of these guys
01:00go, because I remember Brian Butterfield back in the day never was in the box.
01:03The dude was up and down the line.
01:04He's moving everywhere.
01:05Just seeing if it stood out in a way that looked weird or abnormal to everything else.
01:10I wasn't able to find anything in that moment.
01:11But the fact that Tyler Anderson went straight to Jose Flores and Jose Flores is another old
01:17school guy kind of known for picking up on a lot of those things.
01:20It seems like this is a spot where they're bending rules a little bit and doing things,
01:24but the league isn't going to enforce it.
01:26And a lot of teams aren't constantly keeping their base coaches in the box.
01:30OK, like it's another way you take advantage of situations and take inches when you can.
01:36Yeah, it's a good point that it's going to be in their heads now.
01:40And this is something the Red Sox are going to have the rest of the year.
01:42I mean, you look at what happened last night, right?
01:44They they lit Neris up again.
01:46You don't think that's in the back of his head somewhere?
01:49What happened last time?
01:50I what did the coach say to him again when he was walking off?
01:53Like, thanks for it.
01:53Was it thanks for the no?
01:54It said we didn't even have your signs after he saw the same pitcher.
01:57Thanks for the 90 feet.
01:58That's what it was.
01:59Yeah, but intentionally balked to move story over to third because he was petrified about
02:03that what was happening with Trevor story and then running off the field.
02:06The third base coach says thanks for the 90 feet.
02:08We didn't even have your signs and they lit him up last night, which I can understand,
02:11by the way, such a troll job.
02:12If you know that the third base coach and first base coach are stealing signs for that
02:15guy to be the one that runs across the diamond and says that to you on his way out, F you,
02:20buddy.
02:20I 100% get it.
02:22It's a game where the team cheated and the opposing manager cheated and was on that team.
02:26Right?
02:27It's what it is.
02:27You've got to deal with those type of games.
02:29It's funny.
02:29It's a good get, though.
02:31It's a good get.
02:32617-779-0985.
02:34Nick is in Providence and wants to talk Red Sox.
02:36Nick, what's on your mind?
02:37What's up, Nick?
02:38What's up, guys?
02:38So this game is and has always been a chess match between a pitcher and a hitter.
02:43Stuff isn't enough at this level.
02:45These guys can all hit 100 miles an hour.
02:47They can all hit the breaking stuff.
02:49And what they faced last night, what Crochet faced last night, was a baseball team that
02:53makes adjustments in game.
02:55Crochet wasn't bad.
02:56Crochet was all over the strike zone.
02:58Crochet's sweeper was freaking nasty and was pumping basically 100.
03:02But you know what else Crochet was doing?
03:03He was throwing strikes early in the count.
03:06So what did Houston do?
03:08They started getting aggressive.
03:09They swung early in the count.
03:11Four of the seven hits Crochet gave up yesterday were in the first two pitches of the at-bats.
03:16They changed the approach because the first two innings, as Milliken, you pointed out,
03:20he was mowing guys because they were getting patience.
03:22They were letting him come.
03:23They were down 0-2, 1-2, and then they were screwed.
03:26They changed the approach.
03:27That's what a good baseball team looks like.
03:29That's what this baseball team needs to do when they find themselves facing a good pitcher
03:33who's taking advantage of them.
03:36I will say Crochet's fastball, while the velocity was up a tick, he didn't have a single whiff
03:41on it yesterday.
03:42So not a single guy swung and missed on it.
03:44So that is not very Garrett Crochet, who we've seen rack up 10-plus whiffs on the pitch before.
03:49He wasn't super confident in it for some reason, whether he just wasn't feeling it against the
03:53Astros, but he wasn't able to miss bats with that pitch.
03:56And you take away your best pitch, it is going to kind of amplify not only the arsenal you're
04:00using, but how effective you are.
04:01Do you think that could be a mental thing just because he knows he's over that innings
04:05number now?
04:06To me, I think he was just trying to get a little too creative with it.
04:09He knew this lineup matches.
04:11They overthought it.
04:12And he just, you stick with the same approach the first time through the order, and then
04:15you try to do it second and third.
04:16That doesn't make sense to me when you often change it after the first time through.
04:20You're usually so fastball heavy, and then you bring the breaking stuff.
04:23To expect to go through an offense like Houston, which is at a different level now.
04:26You see with a guy like Carlos Correa.
04:27Crazy what you can do at the trade deadline and improve your team.
04:30Ramon Urias as well.
04:32What that can do for you.
04:34It just felt like you should have a different approach each time through instead of hoping
04:38what you usually do the second time through is going to last three times this time.
04:41What do you say after the game?
04:42I didn't hear it, but I read it.
04:43It's like they worked me to seven and eight pitch counts.
04:46Yeah, he had trouble putting guys away at that point.
04:48And that's where the four-seamer comes in where you can't finish the at-bat.
04:51Yeah, no doubt.
04:53All right, I want to go back to the sign-stealing stuff because the other thing that came out
04:56of the weekend was the use of the iPad, and we saw that on the broadcast where it flashes
05:01to it and you're showing it.
05:02Trevor Plouffe had this take when it comes to using the iPad in the dugout and AI being
05:09involved as well.
05:09Take a listen.
05:10I don't want...
05:10I don't even like the non-uniform personnel doing it.
05:13That's what happens in the buildings right now.
05:14They have guys just sitting back there looking at videos.
05:17It can't be software.
05:19I can't say that enough, and I don't know how you combat it.
05:23I don't care about it.
05:24This is great.
05:24Great you have it.
05:25If it's done the right way.
05:26We have to find some way to not allow an AI program.
05:31You can't just put in video to a software program and have spit out what's going on.
05:35I don't think that should be legal.
05:37I don't know how you combat that, how you stop that.
05:39I'm not saying that's what happened here.
05:41I'm just saying that kind of went through my head a little bit because that to me is cheating.
05:44But I don't mind if they get something on the guy.
05:47You got something on the guy.
05:48You're right.
05:49It's just to what extent is everything going on.
05:51As long as you got it the right way and we're transferring the information properly.
05:55There's a little bit of old in me that's like iPads in the dugout.
05:59Do we need that?
06:00But again, it's kind of helping hitters, and I think more hitting is good.
06:04So I don't know.
06:05They've limited a ton of what you can have on those iPads.
06:09Right, right.
06:10I didn't know you were allowed to have like that.
06:12It's kind of cool when a pinch hitter's coming in the game and they were looking at the reliever stuff on the iPad.
06:17Like, I kind of think that's cool.
06:18I would have loved that.
06:20It's pretty simple to regulate.
06:21You collect the iPads after the game and you go through the history or you have the ability to go back and look at that.
06:26It shouldn't be AI.
06:27It should be in-game feed.
06:28Give them the in-game TV feed.
06:30I mean, the NFL does it.
06:31Not with the in-game feed, but they have their own pictures that they go right to the Microsoft Surface and are going right through what we just looked at on the field.
06:38They'll look at safeties, they'll look at edge rushers, they'll look at things.
06:41Where can we get something here?
06:43And there's nothing wrong with that.
06:44So if you're giving them the in-game TV feed from behind the picture, you should be able to look at that.
06:49You should be able to Google anything, like they said, put it into an AI and have them spit it out.
06:54F-A-I.
06:55You know what I mean?
06:55Get rid of it.
06:56Have somebody monitor it.
06:58But you should be able to go to the iPad and look at an in-game feed.
07:01I have no problem with that.
07:02The AI stuff in sports is wild in general.
07:04The fact that you can throw that in and have something come up where maybe you can find the tendency.
07:07After I get duped, I'm done with AI.
07:08I'm done.
07:10Not great for sports tacos.
07:12I almost took a date on the...
07:14What was it yesterday?
07:16Who goes things like this?
07:18One of the Beatles.
07:19Yeah, Paul McCartney, right?
07:20Yeah, that guy.
07:21He went in to see supposedly, and it's a big story all over the internet.
07:24He went in to see Phil Collins, who's in hospice, and played Hey Jude for him, and everybody's in the hospital crying to nurses.
07:32Who makes this stuff up?
07:35People are sick.
07:36Do you know what, though?
07:36You're getting smarter than AI, though, because you sniffed that one out.
07:38So I refuse to sniff that one out.
07:40I'm not even...
07:40Nothing.
07:41I'm doing nothing.
07:41He's going to be skeptical about everything.
07:44No, I'm serious.
07:44I will not say anything that...
07:46I will not bring up anything that I ever read on the internet.
07:48Ever.
07:50No, but we had Adam Silver talking about how they're going to throw all those plays for the Achilles injuries.
07:54And try to find, like, the...
07:55See what, like, comes out in terms of the tendency and what potentially leads to the Achilles injuries and stuff like that.
08:01It is crazy the way that they're starting to use this stuff.
08:04I'm pro iPad, by the way.
08:05I want to see offense.
08:07I'm with Plouffe when it comes to that stuff.
08:08Anything that makes the game more exciting, that's iPad and technology, that I'm all for it.
08:13Yeah, if you just have two pictures where it's...
08:15All right, when he's throwing fastballs...
08:16Hey, look at this club.
08:17Yeah, exactly.
08:18You're going to do lead AI for that.
08:19Fastballs changing that way.
08:20Like you say, if you figure that out on your own, if the coaches identify it,
08:23and they definitely have coaches or somebody that's going through and looking at that,
08:26and you just want to show the guy before he goes up, all right, if his elbow's up,
08:29or if his knee's like this, or his glove's like this, right?
08:32That's just baseball.
08:33You don't want that to happen as a pitcher?
08:35Don't tip your pitches.
08:37Like, I think that that's...
08:38I just think that's good coaching.
08:39That's all that is.
08:40And if you're talking pitching and the gap between that and hitting,
08:43it's a conversation we've been having every year about how much hitters are behind pitchers
08:47and how much they've evolved over the last 10 years or so.
08:50This is a way where you close the distance in a little bit,
08:52and it still feels like pitchers are so far ahead.
08:54Yeah.
08:54But this is the middle ground.
08:56This is trying to find a way for them to adapt on the go.
08:58I don't know how you're upset.
08:59Even what they did when they got caught in San Diego on the iPad,
09:02it was from games before.
09:03It wasn't the same jersey he was wearing in that game.
09:05So this was all stuff that was preloaded before.
09:07Just putting the time in.
09:09Credit to the coaching staff for doing that.
09:11I know Beatles Pro brings steroids back and allow hitters to use steroids.
09:14I feel like this is at least a middle ground here
09:16where at least you can give some sort of advantage to hitters.
09:19No steroids, just iPads.
09:21Yeah, exactly.
09:21The iPad could potentially be it.
09:23Maybe that's a segment, by the way, T-Bone.
09:25Maybe we do, like, real stories and AI stories with Zoan
09:28and see if he can sniff out what's real and what's not.
09:30Would you be up for that, Zoan?
09:31Apparently Elton John was also in the hospital bed.
09:34Oh, really?
09:35Just an emotional day, man.
09:39Picture the three of them crying together.
09:41It's really sad.