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The top focus of this episode of 5ive Live is the Supreme Court's order to relocate all stray dogs in Delhi-NCR to shelters within eight weeks, a decision which has triggered nationwide debate and protests.
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00:00SHOWDOWN OVER STRAY DOGS
00:15Delhi turns battlefield
00:27Dog lovers march with placards, pets in tow
00:38Armed with Supreme Court order, cops break up stir
00:48Supreme Court order triggers nationwide outcry
00:59The Big Stray Dogs Debate
01:02Top Focus on Five Live
01:08Very good evening and thank you for tuning in
01:10You are watching Five Live with me, Sueisha Samant
01:12And yes, today in the first half
01:14We get you the biggest talking point in the country
01:16The Supreme Court's order on stray dogs
01:19That has evoked a raging debate
01:22That and much more
01:23First a quick check of the headlines
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01:38Sacked Karnataka Mantri targets Congress High Command
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01:47Says will expose when the time is right
01:49BJP launches scathing attack on Congress top brass
01:56Supreme Court backs EC in hearings
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02:01Says EC right in
02:04It's not happening
02:05Not accepting Aadhaar as proof
02:07No pause on India
02:12U.S. trade talks
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02:16U.S. trade reps travel for next round of talks
02:25First raids in Kashmir Genocide case
02:27Genocide probe body raid a nurse murder
02:29Ex-JKLF chief Yaseen Malik
02:32Srinagar home raided
02:33Kashmiri Pandit Sarlabhat murdered in 1990
02:36And first up we cut across to breaking news coming in
02:59That is coming in from Bengaluru
03:01Where two university students were bitten by a stray dog
03:04One student who is critically injured by that dog bite
03:08The critically injured student who has been admitted in the ICU
03:12And that is the extent of the injury
03:14Meanwhile, Chief Minister Sidramaya has tweeted and I quote
03:17Treating stray dogs as a nuisance to be removed is not governance
03:21It is cruelty
03:23U.S. societies find solutions that protect people and animals
03:27Sterilization, vaccination and community care work
03:31Fear driven measures only create more suffering not safety
03:35This is coming at a time when the Supreme Court has also passed the order
03:40As far as stray dogs are concerned
03:43And how they need to be sterilized and moved from public spaces
03:47And while the implementation of it is become a huge talking point
03:54This is the news coming in from Bengaluru
03:56Where two university students were bitten by a stray dog
04:00One student that is critically injured by this dog bite
04:04And of course the response that is coming from Chief Minister Sidramaya
04:11Sagairaj will join us shortly to take us through the details of what had happened during this incident
04:16Two university students were bitten by a stray dog
04:19But one of them was so serious that he had to be admitted to the ICU
04:24I believe Sagairaj is with us on the broadcast
04:26Sagairaj take us through the details
04:28Of what had happened in this particular case to university students bitten by a stray dog
04:45This after we have seen how the Supreme Court has passed that order
04:49As far as relocating stray dogs in Delhi NCR are concerned
04:53See this incident which we are talking about has been reported from Bengaluru
05:00Where two deadly street dogs have attacked a post-graduation student
05:05One student was from Haveri and the other student was from Telangatta
05:09And both were studying here in Bengaluru city campus near Nagrababi
05:14And when they were in the campus walking towards their class
05:17A few street dogs have attacked them and bit them
05:21And what we also get to learn through our sources is
05:24Both of the students, female students have been shifted to the hospital
05:28And they are undergoing treatment as we speak now
05:32Alright Sagairaj, many thanks for getting us those details
05:36And well the Supreme Court's order to relocate all stray dogs in Delhi NCR
05:40To shelters within eight weeks that has sparked massive protests
05:43Several animal activists who were detained at India Gate
05:46With police warning that interference could lead to contempt of court
05:50More details that are coming in this next report
05:53A howl of protests and counter in Delhi
06:07After the Supreme Court ordered all stray dogs off the streets
06:10In eight weeks protests broke out at India Gate
06:13Rescuers, feeders and dog lovers showed up
06:17So did the cops
06:22Detentions followed, emotions ran high
06:24The cops armed with top court order
06:26To clear the streets of canines or face contempt
06:30For the police, there are 5 acres of land for 10,000 dogs
06:31There are 5 acres of land for 10,000 dogs
06:32There are 5 acres of land for 5 acres
06:33There are 5 acres of land for Delhi NCR
06:34In fact, India today,
07:03they found out that some dog shelters in Delhi are not even properly functional.
07:33We are trying to get in touch with somebody to open the shelter for us.
07:38But this seems to be the grim reality of the shelters in Delhi at the moment.
07:45Lok Sabha leader of opposition Rahul Gandhi slammed the Supreme Court order as a step backward,
07:57calling stray dogs not problems to erase, but lives to protect.
08:01He called the order cruel, short-sighted and inhumane.
08:06BJP leader and noted animal rights activist Menika Gandhi called the Supreme Court ruling strange and delivered out of anger.
08:14Her warning, no shelters, no plan, a 15,000 crore budget and chaos lying ahead.
08:21SENA UBT MP Priyanka Chaturvedi also slammed the order citing failure of the municipal corporations due to which strays are being punished.
08:40But Delhi Chief Minister Rekha Gupta welcomed the Supreme Court's decision, calling stray dogs a big problem for Delhi.
09:05It is a big problem for Delhi.
09:12Caught in this tug of war between humane care and hard-line clean-up, Delhi faces a crucial question.
09:32Will the city find a compassionate way to keep its streets safe without losing its soul?
09:37With Rahul Gautam and Anisha Mathur in Delhi, Bureau Report, India Today.
09:41And well, we have been watching reactions coming in from both sides, but what really are the positives and negatives if these stray dogs are moved to shelters?
09:52Now, what will happen is that if they are moved to a shelter, it will certainly reduce the risk of dog bites and attacks that they are very very susceptible to when living on the streets.
10:05Living in a shelter, a dog shelter will also ensure that they are vaccinated on time and are given all the medical care that they often do not get because there is nobody to really take care of them.
10:17These shelters will obviously provide them food, the fact that they are safe, the fact that they are protected, no matter what the environment, what the climate changes are, they are being looked after.
10:29The shelter for dogs that will also help maintain public hygiene, which is problematic not only for the dogs themselves, but also if they are in those public spaces and if they are not in the best of health, that obviously passes on.
10:44A shelter will also increase chances of adoption and rehabilitation because it will encourage that sentiment and people will understand that these are dogs that are taken care of and they can be adopted.
10:55But animal activists who think otherwise and dog lovers who really feel that these dogs should not be caged because the condition of shelters that is not the best, especially when it comes to India.
11:08They lack space, they lack resources, often dogs and stray dogs especially are moved to these shelters, but it is unethical.
11:19Also, rehabilitation does not address the overpopulation issue that is very very strong, given the fact that there aren't very many shelters for dogs in India and they are not in the best condition.
11:33Confinement can also stress these free living dogs which may not be the best for them and they may react in an adverse manner if that happens.
11:42And of course, locals may resist removal of known strays which is something that the cops already face as trouble has been mounting.
11:52We've been watching protests that are taking place where a section of the society is against the idea of moving these stray dogs to dog shelters.
12:02Let me cut across to my colleague Nalini who is joining us from Delhi to take us through the details, Nalini, of the Supreme Court's order of the very many reactions it has evoked.
12:13A divided society that we are witnessing at this point, protests that are taking place and the biggest argument, is India equipped to be able to enact on the Supreme Court's order within 90 days?
12:28Well, to Asia, it's interesting what has happened over the course of the past 24 hours ever since this direction has come in from the Supreme Court.
12:35Most interesting aspect is that even 24 hours later, we are still waiting for the written copy of the order to come out.
12:42Because of course, a lot of things are said by the Supreme Court several times as oral observations during a course of multitude of hearings.
12:48But what eventually matters is what is it that they put in writing, what will be the directions that will be passed in the written order to the Municipal Corporation in Delhi to tackle this entire issue is the main thing that we are watching out for.
13:01And even though it's been almost one entire day since the entire hearing has happened, we've still not seen this written order from the Supreme Court being uploaded.
13:09Now, so Asia, although this is not unheard of, that the Supreme Court takes some time to publish the order officially, but this usually happens when there are lengthy judgments or whether there is some aspect that requires clarity because of which the Supreme Court holds back on publishing the order until and unless that clarity is given.
13:28But in this case, considering it's a short order that we are expecting, it's a little unusual that it's still not come out and we are still awaiting for that.
13:38In addition to that, there were some very important things that the Supreme Court had said yesterday, most important of which is that if there are any obstructions caused by any individual or group in allowing the municipal authorities to carry out the Supreme Court directions,
13:53then that will be treated as contempt of court and action will be initiated against such individuals or organizations,
14:00which is going to be an extremely interesting aspect to watch out for as to whether or not what action will be initiated against them who are coming out in opposition to this order or this direction that is given by the Supreme Court.
14:12Another important aspect that we have, so Asia, is that already the Rajasthan High Court after yesterday has issued a similar order asking for all the stray dogs in the cities of Jaipur, Jodhpur and Udaipur to be removed by the municipal corporations.
14:26So, once the written order of the Supreme Court is out, whether other high courts of other states are going to follow the same and issue similar orders after the Rajasthan High Court is another important aspect that we have to watch out for.
14:38Because remember, stories of dog bites are not just limited to Delhi, they are not just limited to Rajasthan, they are an India-wide phenomenon that we have been seeing increasing steadily over the course of the past several years,
14:51which is what compelled the Supreme Court in passing such drastic orders. But as to whether or not they will be able to implement it on the ground,
14:58whether any action will be able to be taken against these individuals is something we will know only once we have the written copy of the order in our hands. So, Asia.
15:06All right, Nalini, many thanks for getting us those details, but of course, the diverse reactions that this decision of the Supreme Court has evoked.
15:14As evoked, I'd also like to introduce Rahul Ishwar, author and activist, and Anisha Gawande, who's the spokesperson of NCPSP, joining us on the broadcast.
15:23Rahul Ishwar, it is a sensitive matter. Where do you stand on this issue and how do you support your arguments?
15:28Two points, ma'am. Nobody is against dogs and nobody has some kind of a dog phobia or hatred for dogs.
15:35But let me point out, 2022, 2.19 million dog bite cases were reported nationwide according to the Press Information Bureau.
15:432023, it rose 26% to 2.75 million.
15:472024, it again rose to 3.72 million dog bite cases being reported.
15:52And, you know, according to very many other statistics, nearly 54 deaths were reported.
15:57So, everybody is saying human life needs to be prioritized.
16:00Nobody is against animal right at the same point of time.
16:03Human life needs to be prioritized.
16:05Okay, Anish, what is your point of view?
16:08You know, I think the unfortunate reality here today is that the Supreme Court's verdict is a disproportionate and illogical solution to a problem that is acknowledged by every single person.
16:21Now, the reality is that putting every single stray dog in a shelter, especially when you don't even know how many stray dogs exist in Delhi, because the last time they were counted was 10 years ago, much like the last time human beings in this country were counted 15 years ago, is a disaster waiting to happen.
16:38Right. And we know this for a fact.
16:40It hasn't worked abroad.
16:41Why will it work in India?
16:43What will happen?
16:44You will spend thousands of crores on sending these animals to shelters where they will most likely languish and die.
16:50And in return, you will see many other stray dogs who are unvaccinated, who are unused to urban surroundings take their place.
16:58So this is one vast, expensive and silly exercise that does not solve the problem at hand.
17:05I agree with Rahul over here that nobody is a dog hater.
17:08But on the other side, you also have to realize that nobody wants people to be bitten by dogs.
17:13Nobody in their right mind is saying that stray dogs are not a menace.
17:16But this is simply not the solution.
17:1856 rabies cases are what the central government said were recorded in 2024.
17:24Not a single one was from Delhi.
17:26Why has the MCD not succeeded in providing rabies vaccinations at every single government hospital in Delhi?
17:33Please do an expose and see how many of those hospitals currently stock rabies vaccines and give them to people.
17:38More importantly, why has the MCD failed time and again to sterilize dogs, which is part of its mandate under the ABC guidelines and the Prevention of Cruddy to Animals Act.
17:47So the incompetence of one agency is going to be corrected by an even more massive task handed to the same incompetent agency.
17:55Right. So this is not even a solution. I'd be happy if you were discussing solutions.
17:58Right.
17:59But yet another hardy exercise.
18:01I want to get Rahul Ishwar on that because more than the order itself, the implementation aspect of it,
18:07that is also being questioned, you know, from questions of how can authorities possibly provide a safe, good shelter.
18:16Firstly, we lack shelter.
18:18Secondly, to be able to provide that for 10 lakh community dogs.
18:21Does the Indian law even en masse relocation of dogs?
18:24And how can this exercise be carried out successfully in 90 days?
18:29Yeah, the implementation is definitely an implementation plan needs to be charted out.
18:34I agree with, you know, my respected co-panel's sentiments.
18:37See, we respect animal rights. We, especially Indians, for thousands of years have respected animals as a part of the entire ecosystem.
18:44But having said that, when children died, when, you know, family members are attacked, it creates a sort of, if I can say negativity,
18:51if I can use that word, in a very serious manner.
18:53That's the reason why all those animal lovers, I respect animal, I will never call myself an animal lover.
18:58All those animal lovers who have a very humane or who have a very compassionate heart, they should, you know, bring out with some kind of a solution centric thing.
19:05And it needs to be shown that it is being done.
19:07Because, you know, rather than our intellectual and academic debates, when somebody really loses a child, the entire local population turns more hostile, turns more into a negative mode.
19:18And that's what happened in many places in Kerala, especially a six year old or less than a 10 year old girl and all.
19:23You know, when she's, you know, dying from dog bites, it creates a sense of, you know, if I can use that word revenge in a very serious sense.
19:30That's the reason why I agree justice is what is needed.
19:33But, you know, some kind of a drastic solution needs to be there.
19:36I believe people like John Abraham, in their right sense, are very much, you know, pro for this cause.
19:40Let them pool in resources or let government machinery find some resources, do something.
19:45But something, you know, the dogs needs to be, or at least these kind of issue, you know, having dogs needs to be taken off streets.
19:52And some kind of solution needs to be done and it needs to be seen to be done.
19:56Because otherwise people are really scared and they are having a very negative atmosphere.
20:01I don't have any shame in conceding that.
20:03Okay. Anish, what according to you is the solution?
20:06See, you know, the reality is that those who think that putting up G20 hoardings in front of slums is going to solve poverty,
20:14are the same ones who think that sending dogs to shelters is going to prevent rabies.
20:19Now, please tell me the carriers of rabies in this country, the top two carriers of rabies are monkeys and rats.
20:26What is the MCD doing about them?
20:28What is the government doing to control these populations?
20:31So when you are incompetent at doing your job on one front, you're being tasked with another bigger job.
20:38The solution is very simple.
20:39It's a global solution.
20:40It's been used in multiple countries around the world.
20:43It is sterilize, vaccinate and release.
20:47There is no reason to burden the exchequer with thousands of crores.
20:51The government in Delhi is running out of money.
20:53Rekha Gupta ji must come to her senses.
20:55Because the DTDC doesn't have money.
20:57The Delhi Jalboard is running bankrupt.
20:59Where is she going to find 15,000 crores to fund these shelters?
21:02And where are the shelters?
21:04When there are no shelters, when there's no provisions in place, in eight weeks,
21:09how are you going to implement an order like this?
21:11The bad thing that is going to happen through this is that you're going to see fights emerge on every corner of every street in Delhi.
21:18Street dog feeders are going to fight with MCD authorities.
21:21The Delhi police is going to be busy solving these fights instead of solving real issues like rapes and murders that continue unchecked in the city.
21:29So again, I'm not disagreeing that this is a problem.
21:33But the court in all of its wisdom has forgotten that it is an interpreter of the law and not an inventor of the law.
21:40There are laws in place passed by parliament.
21:43Who does the court think it is when it is passing these orders?
21:46The same Tushar Mehta, who comes on to the court and says during marriage equality proceedings that the court cannot create law and must follow the law of the land,
21:54now turns around and does not object when the Supreme Court goes against the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act and the ABC guidelines issued by parliament.
22:02So this is not scientific, it's not logical and it's not going to solve the problem at hand.
22:08Right, Anish and Rahul I want to thank you for joining us this evening on India Today and fair arguments coming in from both sides.
22:15Meanwhile, we also tell our viewers how the dog problem in India has been raging when it comes to such sort of dog attacks
22:23and especially the states that have been worse hit when it comes to the number of cases that have been reported in 2025 itself.
22:30Haryana where 7.8,000, I beg your pardon, 7800 cases that have been reported in Delhi, 3,200 cases in Rajasthan.
22:391,500 cases that have been reported in Uttar Pradesh, it is 20.5K in Bihar, 34.4K in Assam, 20.9K in West Bengal.
22:54It is about 10.3K in Maharashtra, 56.5K that is the highest impact.
23:03Maharashtra and Gujarat are the worst hit states when it comes to the kind of dog attacks.
23:08Gujarat at 53.9K, Karnataka at 39.4K, Kerala at 11.6K and Tamil Nadu again one of the worst hit states that stands at 48.9K.
23:18And remember this is the data that has been reported from January 2025 itself.
23:23So within six months these are the kind of dog attacks that have been reported across India.
23:29In fact everything may not be well when it comes to animal welfare centers in Delhi.
23:39India today found that there are serious discrepancies in a Delhi civic body run animal birth control center.
23:46It is leased out to a Gujarat NGO which faced suspension orders.
23:50The NGO was behind illegal cruel handling of animals and despite all irregularities
23:56the NGO managed to obtain the tender in Delhi.
23:59Watch this ground report.
24:03That a center exists, two doctors are supposed to be here but they are not present over here.
24:08The NGO is tendered, the MCD center is tendered to an NGO in Gujarat.
24:14These are the things that we need to highlight.
24:16The operational challenges are very different from what it is written on paper.
24:21Ideally an ABC center should be running in the proper manner.
24:26The doctors should be present and clearly it shouldn't be shut down like the one that we see here right now.
24:33I will try my best to give you a glimpse from down of this center that is in Tughlaqabad.
24:38These are the government run ABC programs that are done in the national capital.
24:44We also got to know that from 22 the centers have actually come down to 18 right now.
24:49So clearly if the negligence on the part of the ABC centers of doctors not being available to manage the ABC centers is a reality
24:59then it speaks about the fact that why the government of the national capital hasn't really managed it well
25:07to actually take the animal birth control program in the right manner.
25:12With video journalist Ashmini Helen, this is Shriya Chatterjee for India today.
25:16While this is the condition of dog shelters on the ground in Delhi,
25:21it is not that such a model has not been carried outside across the globe.
25:25In fact several countries that have used this model and implemented it very very successfully
25:30when it comes to using sterilization.
25:33Bhutan for example where a nationwide animal birth control exercise was carried out
25:38and they sterilized those dogs, they vaccinated those dogs and microchipped those stray dogs as well.
25:46Now Bhutan is not the only country as even in Netherlands it was a clear exercise.
25:51Catch the stray dogs, neuter them, vaccinate them and return them back.
25:56As for the laws following everything to the T and stray dogs were set free via strong legal framework.
26:04So it's not like those stray dogs were at the receiving end purely in the way that this entire exercise was carried out.
26:10Even in Thailand such a model was followed where similarly catch the dogs, neuter them, vaccinate them, return them.
26:18And remember over 1 million dogs that were sterilized and vaccinated via this exercise.
26:26Now let's also shift focus in Morocco where they sterilized the dogs so they trapped them, neutered them, vaccinated them and returned them.
26:35A very very humane exercise that was carried out citywide and that it continues in Morocco.
26:44Now moving on to Nepal.
26:46Now while it is being asked how will India possibly do it but even Nepal that has executed such an exercise,
26:53animal birth control and it's been a long standing program where 31,000 sterilizations of stray dogs was carried out.
27:02And we should focus now as after fake embassy, fake Interpol office that has been busted by the UP police.
27:12This fake internal police station and intelligence bureau office that was being operated in Noida.
27:18Six people including a former Trinamool Congress leader who have been arrested by Noida Central Police.
27:23The fake Interpol office that was being run by Bivas Adhikari who earlier held the position of Blockhead in Birbom in West Bengal.
27:31Allegedly fled to Noida while facing multiple investigations in West Bengal related to scams and corruption.
27:37During investigation it was revealed that the mastermind Bivas was also running a fake Interpol office in Kolkata as well.
27:44So far six people who have been arrested by the Noida police in this matter.
27:48And this comes just days after UP police arrested Harshwar Dhanjain, a 47-year-old man you would remember from Gazia Bar,
27:56who was operating a fake embassy with alleged links to a 300 crore rupee scam.
28:02In a different sector in the 70's, there was an support of the police corps, which was four people under the police condition.
28:08The inspectors were under the law of state police officers, whose residents were under the law of state law after Monod,
28:12we had the officer who had the police officers, who had the police officer who was the late-ifying and actions in which crime they did from taking place.
28:16And the police officers had been filmed, and they were known as the police officers when I was on the hands of their police officers.
28:18And the police officer made the police officers, which used to conduct illegal violence against
28:22So far, we had to keep going with many� kohd policemen, which were to buy a site.
28:25And many banks, many banks and other people were to buy identity cards, visiting cards.
28:29cards and these people who tell me the transnational police in that regard they have no supporting
28:35documents or the government or the people who use the police's logo that they don't have any
28:41type of work. A former Trimur Congress leader Biba Shodikari has already been arrested by
28:49Noida police for running a fake office of Interpol and right now we have found his another office
28:54address in Kolkata and this is the flat, this is the first flat and this is the second flat located
29:01at Belia Ghata area in Kolkata and these both flats were taken by Biba Shodikari to run a second branch
29:09of his fake Interpol in Kolkata. He was running an office in Noida and that was the second office
29:17of Biba Shodikari. These both flats were taken by Biba Shodikari last month and we can see
29:24these flats are locked from outside and locals are claiming he was running an office of Interpol
29:31over here in these two flats by taking these two flats and there are several there were there are
29:36multiple sign boards and banner inside these two flats where we can see we can see the logo of Interpol
29:42you can see the name of Interpol inside these two flats but these sign boards were removed two days back
29:50as per the claim uh as per the claim by local people but Kolkata police but Kolkata police is claiming
29:57that they got information regarding this office on last 30th july that an NGO is trying to establish
30:05their office in these two flats but they are using the name of Interpol and they are using the logo of
30:10uh logo using the color of red and blue in in their logo you're watching five live i'm suesha sam and
30:17well india is gearing up to host american trade representatives later this month for the sixth round
30:22of negotiations this even as former us president donald trump continues his tirade against india over
30:28tariffs will india be able to negotiate an expectable trade deal while upholding strategic autonomy india today
30:35reports the india u.s trade deal's tailmate has not derailed the dialogue india is all set to host
30:45american trade representatives this month for the sixth round of trade negotiations despite donald trump's
30:52claim of no talks till a deal is reached do you expect increased trade negotiations you know uh since
31:02you've announced the 50 percent tariff no not until we get it resolved sources confirmed to india today
31:08that both sides are working through contentious issues and are hopeful of finalizing a trade framework
31:13agreement despite both sides hardening the stance on agricultural access former pentagon official michael
31:21rubin lavished praise on prime minister narendra modi for standing his ground despite trump bully
31:27donald trump is wrong in his targeting of india in this case first of all the united states purchases
31:38uranium hexafluoride from russia and other strategic minerals from russia and india is right
31:47to stand up for its rights that prime minister modi is standing up for india's rights is going to be
31:54the episode that historians remember where the united states truly learned that you cannot kick
32:01india around geopolitical analyst michael kugelman echoed similar sentiments
32:08bangladesh pakistan and a few neighbors further afield in southeast asia had had significantly lower
32:13tariffs and i think that's significant for india's economic interest in the sense that you know those
32:19countries bangladesh pakistan vietnam for that matter these are all countries that are competitors
32:25with india when it comes to textile exports and so this suggests that india could be disadvantaged
32:32if it doesn't adjust i mean i'm sure that india has already thought through as donald trump hardens
32:38his stand on india asking it to stop buying russian oil he has taken a softer line on china extending the
32:45tariff moratorium on beijing for 90 more days back home andhra pradesh chief minister chandrababu naidu
32:52praised prime minister modi's leadership emphasizing that countries cannot grow without indians
32:57now all eyes turn to alaska where trump is expected to meet vladimir putin for a ceasefire talk on ukraine
33:22a potential russia ukraine truce could lead to easing of the tariffs on india too
33:29i'm going to meet with president putin and we're going to see what he has in mind and if it's a
33:35fair deal i'll reveal it to the european union leaders and to the nato leaders and also to
33:42president zielinski i think out of respect i'll call him first
33:45uh and then i'll call them after and i may say lots of luck keep fighting or i may say we can make
33:53a deal so the focus now will be on whether india can walk the tight rope between strategic
33:59assertiveness and trade diplomacy your report india today
34:04and we cut across to breaking news coming in indian airlines such as air india and indigo have been
34:16asked by government to prepare flights to china at shop notice
34:26and we will get you more details as we also tell you about how after park army chief asem
34:30munir's nuclear threat former foreign minister of pakistan bilawal bhutto zardari has also made
34:36provocative statement and issued a direct threat to india he targeted india over the suspension of
34:42indus water treaty and threatened to go to war while addressing an event puto stated that pakistan has
34:48the strength and if there is war we can fight them and reclaim six rivers speaking on operation sindoor
34:55he threatened india and said if war is imposed pakistan will not step back and we will not bow
35:01down earlier pakistan army chief pin marshal asem munir during his u.s visit gave nuclear threat to
35:08india and stated that if pakistan thinks they are going down they'll take half the world down with
35:13them former pentagon official michael rubin has attacked pakistan's army chief general asem munir
35:18over his anti-india remarks rubin described munir as osama bin ladin in a suit and accused
35:24pakistan of acting like a rogue state after the park army chief's controversial comments on american soil
35:32hummne sab ek ho ke modi ki barbariyat pe modi ke is hamle ke baare mein modi ke is irade ke baare mein
35:40awaz uthana hai aur jidu jahed karna hai taa ki ish zulm ko bhi hum rok sake
35:47ish milk ke awam me etna taakta hai ke jang ki surat ho to jang me bhi hem inka
35:54makabla kar sakti hai aur joh aapke chhe ke chhe dhariya hai wo wapas haasel bhi ker sakti
36:00haur agar yeh hume mujhboor kerti bharatne jang ki baat ki legin agar jang chhera gya hai to
36:08hum shah abdul latif bithai ki dharti se modi sarkaar ko batana chaeenge ke hum piche nahi hattay hum jukhtay
36:19donald trump is a businessman and not just a businessman he's a real estate mogul so he's used
36:27to the horse trading and the back and forth morality doesn't come into play ideology doesn't
36:34come into play asim mounir is osama bin laden in a suit the fact of the matter is there is no amount
36:43of concession that can be given to pakistan that is going to change the ideology of asim mounir
36:51or the pakistani elite which he represents this is why i'm saying that pakistan is playing a very
37:00dangerous game and while it may sound radical the fact that pakistan is now threatening half the world
37:08with nuclear weapons it's threatening to blow up indian dams and so forth is an indication
37:16that pakistan has lost the its right to be a legitimate state on the international stage
37:24it's time for the united states if not under donald trump then in future administrations
37:30to consider other policies to consider other policies
37:35uh
38:02And well, in a dramatic move coinciding with Pakistani Army Chief Aasem Munir's US visit,
38:28President Donald Trump has officially designated the Balochistan Liberation Army and its alias,
38:34the Majid Brigade, as a foreign terrorist organization.
38:37The decision that comes as the BLA wages deadly guerrilla attacks from the March 2025 Jafar Express hijacking,
38:44killing 31 to suicide strikes in Karachi and Gwadar.
38:50Now, several questions that are being asked to how this decision has been taken by the United States,
38:56how it has now labelled the BLA as a terror organization.
39:03And most importantly, when such a tag is put on a country, what exactly are the consequences,
39:11the fallout of the global terror tag?
39:14So, now that the BLA has this tag, assets and bank accounts of it are immediately frozen.
39:20Not just that, criminal penalties for funding or supporting the group are also taken into account
39:27and strict action that is imposed.
39:30Travel bans that are implemented for leaders and members of such an organization
39:35because such organizations and its leaders mostly function and travel and hold their meetings overseas.
39:42So, that faces a hit.
39:45There is increased surveillance and law enforcement action against the BLA now and any of its leaders.
39:52And most importantly, international cooperation to dismantle terror networks comes about once such a tag is imposed.
40:00Now, let me cut across to Pranayopadhyay to understand how the U.S. arrived at this decision,
40:07how much of it is linked to Asim Munir's visit and the implications for India.
40:14So, definitely Pakistan and United States both are trying to cozy up, you know, put aside their past differences
40:23and now they are trying to build new kind of a partnership.
40:27And, you know, especially the U.S., Pakistan has been lobbying with the United States administration,
40:33Trump administration, that after the designation of TRF, you know, which is involved,
40:38which is, you know, the perpetrators of a Pahlkam terror attack were from TRF
40:43and which took the responsibility of the TRF, the Pahlkam terror attack,
40:47they were designated by the U.S. administration on 18th of July.
40:50And thereafter, it came as a blow to Pakistan.
40:53And thereafter, the Pakistani administration, Pakistani military generals and establishments
40:57have been, you know, been lobbying with the United States for this designation of Majeed Brigade
41:03of BLA as a foreign terrorist organization.
41:05But having said that, you see the timing of it.
41:08This decision has come at a time when United States has announced its intention
41:14to go for an investment in Balochistan.
41:18We know that what issue is there in Balochistan.
41:20As far as India's case is concerned, India considered it as an internal issue of Pakistan
41:26and which is generated out of the internal failures of Pakistan
41:30because Pakistan as a state has failed to address the issues and concerns of the Baloch people.
41:35And the people of Balochistan are making this resistance or protesting
41:41against the Pakistani establishment, Pakistan military, and Pakistan's political establishment.
41:45So, India's case or India's stand as far as this case is concerned is very much clear.
41:52But as far as the U.S. is concerned, you see the timing of it on one side.
41:56U.S. seems to be, you know, trying to balance the dynamics between India and Pakistan
42:01as far as the so-called terror designations are concerned.
42:04Because after TRF, Pakistan was pressurizing U.S.
42:08And U.S. also wanted to give a balancing, you know, message.
42:11And that's why they have designated BLA, Majid Brigade, as a foreign terrorist organization.
42:16Also, U.S. has already expressed their intention to go for an investment in Balochistan.
42:21And people in Balochistan are protesting against the extensive misuse or extensive extractive,
42:28extraction of the minerals and, you know, resources of Balochistan for the foreign interest
42:33and foreign companies, be it Pakistan, be it, you know, Chinese companies being active
42:37in Balochistan or the, you know, the now U.S. has expressed its intention to go to Balochistan.
42:42In either case, it is incumbent upon the Pakistan government to address the issues being raised
42:48by the Baloch people.
42:49And as far as the human right record of, you know, Pakistani establishment
42:53and Pakistan government in Balochistan is concerned, it is very dismal.
42:57Oh, yes, indeed it is.
42:59Pranay, I want to thank you for joining us with all these details.
43:03And moving on, Bruno Mars' India tour announcement that has set off a wave of excitement and suspicion
43:11at the same time.
43:12From flashy posters to sold-out tickets, it all looked real at the outset, until venues
43:17denied any such knowledge or promoters raised alarms and Bruno himself who stayed silent.
43:23Is this the concert of the year or another elaborate scam that has been planned to dupe people?
43:29We'll tell you all the details in this next report.
43:33Bruno Mars' India tour made headlines and sent fans into a frenzy.
43:53Social media lit up, ticket links flew around and for a moment, it felt like India was about
44:00to witness one of the biggest live acts in the world.
44:03But is it all too good to be true?
44:11Is the global pop icon really coming to India this November?
44:15Or is this a case of music dreams turning into a potential scam?
44:22India Today dug deeper to get to the crux of the story.
44:25It started when Gujarat-based SR Entertainment announced the Cosmic Vibe India tour.
44:31Four shows in Delhi, Mumbai, Bengaluru and Guwahati.
44:35The promotional materials were slick.
44:38Venues named and tickets priced from 3,499 to 25,000.
44:44Then came the first shocker.
44:46Mumbai's D.Y. Patil Stadium publicly denied any knowledge of the event, issuing a bold fraud alert
44:54and warning fans not to purchase tickets.
44:57Several other entertainment firms too questioned the tour's legitimacy, claiming they were blocked
45:02by SR Entertainment after raising doubts.
45:05An international artist-promoter from the Northeast, India, told India Today they confirmed directly
45:13with Bruno Mars management and no India tour exists.
45:19SR Entertainment maintains the tour is real, saying Phase 1 tickets are sold out and Phase 2
45:25is on sale, but only through their own website, bypassing major ticketing platforms like BookMyShow
45:31or Insider.
45:33And through it all, Bruno Mars, his management and official industry partners remain silent.
45:40So, will India see the concert of the decade or has a clever construct the country's live
45:45music scene?
45:47For now, all you Bruno's fans, wait before you spend your money on those tickets because they
45:53could just be fake.
45:55Bureau Report, India Today.
45:57As we come to an end to this edition of 5 Live, we will leave you with a special announcement
46:05that all the fans have been waiting for.
46:08Yes, singer Taylor Swift, who is officially entering her next era with the superstar announcing
46:14her latest album, The Life of a Showgirl.
46:17During a teaser of an upcoming special episode of Travis and Jason Kelsen's New Heights podcast
46:23on Wednesday, in the video, Swift, who was seated beside her boyfriend Travis, says to Jason,
46:30so I wanted to show you something.
46:32I'm caught.
46:33She then pulled out a mint green briefcase featuring her initials in orange on the front.
46:40Swift goes on to reveal, this is my brand new album, The Life of a Showgirl.
46:45So I wanted to show you something.
46:50Okay.
46:51What do we got?
46:52We got a briefcase.
46:55Yep.
46:56Mint green with TS on it.
46:58Yep.
46:59What's in it?
46:59This is my brand new album, The Life of a Showgirl.
47:03TS12!
47:04Yeah.
47:08So I wanted to show you something.
47:10Okay.
47:11What do we got?
47:12We got a briefcase.
47:15Yep.
47:16Mint green with TS on it.
47:18Yep.
47:19What's in it?
47:19This is my brand new album, The Life of a Showgirl.
47:23TS12!
47:24Yeah.
47:24Yeah.
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