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00:05Hello and welcome. I'm Sonal Mehrotra Kapoor. This is Five Live. Three stories on top of our
00:10mind today and that we will focus on the programme. Number one, the Supreme Court verdict on dogs,
00:17this time on rabid dogs. What exactly is the Supreme Court saying? It's been the clearest
00:22verdict and for me the most balanced one that has come out on the issue of dog bites and street
00:29dogs in the country. We'll give you all the details. Number two story, petrol prices have been
00:34hiked this time by 90 paisa. That effectively means petrol prices are now four rupees up in just
00:41five days. What is this 90 paisa price hike formula and is this something that the government had done
00:49in the past? How many more such are about to come? We've done a calculation. We'll bring you that on
00:54the programme. And also number three, we haven't left our focus on Twisha's case. Today we have for you
01:01Twisha's cousin. Now yesterday you must have seen the CCTV camera. It shows that Samart, Twisha's
01:07husband, was giving her CPR. It shows him trying to help her out, etc. We also heard the side of
01:14Twisha's mother-in-law. Now the cousin gives a point by point rebuttal to everything that has been
01:20said and she actually does make sense. So those are the top stories here on Five Live. Let's quickly
01:27start the programme with all the headlines on Top of Five.
01:34Petrol diesel prices have increased by around 90 paisa per litre, making the second fuel price hike
01:40in less than a week. After the latest hike, petrol prices in Delhi have gone up to 98.64 per
01:46litre
01:46and diesel have now increased to 91.58.
01:52Rupee has meanwhile slipped to another record low on Tuesday, coming close to the 97 mark against the
01:58US dollar and also rising crude oil prices, growing pressure on India's external finances and higher US
02:06bond yields continue to weaken the currency. The rupee fell to 96.44 against the dollar, crossing its
02:13previous lifetime low of 96.38.
02:18A new mental health angle has now surfaced in the Twisha death case with prescriptions showing
02:25medicines allegedly linked to sort of psychoprenzy and schizoprenzy treatment. In fact, this comes as
02:34fresh CCTV footage also resurfaced, showing Twisha climbing the stairs moments before her death,
02:39before her husband and others were seen attempting to do, to actually give her CPR on that CCTV camera.
02:49In fact, like we said, Twisha's cousin has broken her silence and hit back at the allegations against
02:54her family. Speaking to India today, the cousin claimed that the in-laws had a patriarchal mindset.
03:00The cousin says that Samarth even, you know, performed CPR in front of CCTV cameras on purpose to build a
03:07defence in his case. Also from claims over pregnancy pressure to allegation that Twisha's body was
03:15dragged. The family is now raising explosive questions over what really happened. All this as
03:21the husband continues to be on the run. Shocking and gruesome details are now emerging from the
03:29autopsy report of the Great Anoida dowry death case. The postmortem of Deepika has revealed multiple
03:34severe internal and external injuries, including the ruptured spleen, heavy internal bleeding, deep
03:42wounds, bruises and abrasive marks across her body. Investigators have also found trauma injuries
03:51on the knee, thigh, chest, abdomen, raising serious questions over the circumstances leading to
03:57her death. Also, India today has accessed the neat paper that was leaked for the first time on
04:05television. Bombshell image over there of neat question paper has been aired. This is the leaked
04:12paper that put 23 lakh careers in jeopardy and has sparked a massive CBI probe as well. Remember,
04:20this is how it came in handwritten. The Supreme Court upheld its earlier order directing removal of
04:28stray dogs from public areas. Also criticized states from failing to implement existing laws and
04:35ordered urgent expansion of shelters and sterilization facilities, pronouncing the judgment,
04:40the Suomoto matter. A three-judge bench also allowed authorities to carry out euthanasia
04:45of rabid and dangerous dogs to curb the threat to human life in appropriate cases.
04:53India has reaffirmed that Russian oil purchase will continue. Government of India to buy Russian
05:00oil despite US sanctions. Modi government asserts that the decision to buy oil will solely be determined
05:05by national interest.
05:10And Prime Minister Modi will hold a bilateral with the Italian counterpart,
05:15Giorgia Melanie, in Rome in his two-day visit, state visit there. Prime Minister Modi will also
05:21call on the President of Italy. Prime Minister is scheduled to hold talks with business leaders to
05:27further promote trade and investment between the two countries.
05:30And WHO chief has now expressed concern over the spread and scale of the outbreak of Ebola disease
05:37as the number of infections have gone up and the deaths as well. As of 19th of May,
05:44Ebola has claimed 130 lives. WHO's chief concern comes amidst Trump playing down the Ebola threat.
05:52And the US president said that Ebola remains confined to Africa. We'll get down to the details.
06:03All right. Let me say something clearly before we even get into the Supreme Court order on dogs today.
06:12Now, this story is not just about dogs, not the ones in our homes, remember, the ones we love,
06:18the ones that are part of a family. This is about specific, urgent, unresolved crisis on our streets.
06:26Let's learn to distinguish between the two, please. And it deserves an honest conversation,
06:31not a screaming match. So please hear me out. The Supreme Court today delivered one of its
06:36strongest observations yet on India's trade-off crisis. In a landmark order, the top court has
06:43now allowed euthanasia of rabid and dangerous trade-offs in legally permitted cases.
06:50The bench made it clear that public safety cannot come second. It also said it cannot remain blind to
06:57harsh realities as dog attacks continue to rise. Children, senior citizens, ordinary people just going
07:04about their day, all increasingly at risk in public spaces that cannot be allowed.
07:09Now, in a remark already drawing attention, the court said that the Dravidian law of survival of the fittest
07:19cannot come. It cannot become the rule. The elderly and the young cannot be left defenseless while
07:26authorities fail to act. But in order to understand why this order matters, you need to understand what
07:34came before this order. Let me jog your memory a little bit. Now, India already has a law on the
07:40books, remember that. The Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act that restricts any kind of culling or
07:47euthanasia. Now, the animal birth control rules require municipalities to sterilize and vaccinate stray
07:53dogs rather than cull them. Courts have now issued directions before and yet the crisis only seems to be
08:03growing. The reason is pretty simple. Almost no municipal body has properly implemented these
08:12rules. Sterilization programs, they exist on paper. Shelters are underfunded or non-existent. There is no
08:20enforcement mechanism that actually works. And today's order is the court's most direct
08:27acknowledgement yet that the existing framework has failed. And look at the numbers. They will tell
08:35you the story on their own. Now, we looked at some research. Now, in 2024 alone, around 3.7 million
08:42dog
08:43bite cases were reported in India in one year. If you do the math, it works up to around 10
08:52,000 people
08:53being bitten by dogs every day. These are reported numbers, remember. And these are not the stats from
09:02India. India records the highest number of rabies deaths in the world, according to WHO. Nearly 20,000
09:09people die of rabies every year. And behind every number is a life change in a moment. A child walking
09:18to
09:18the school, a grandfather on a morning walk. One attack and everything after is just different. By the
09:26way, you must know this is not concentrated in one region. This is not just a Delhi problem or a
09:32Mumbai
09:33problem. Maharashtra reported over 56,000 bites, dog bite cases. Gujarat, over 53,000. Tamil Nadu, nearly 49,000.
09:45Karnataka, 39,000. Tens and thousands more across Uttar Pradesh, Bihar, Assam, Rajasthan,
09:51Bengal, you name it. This is a nationwide public safety emergency. Look at those numbers.
10:00And this is no longer limited to dark streets or isolated neighborhoods. Attacks are now being
10:05reported near hospitals, schools, railway stations, even airports.
10:11But numbers aside, what exactly has the court ordered today that makes such a difference?
10:18Now, listen carefully because this is an extremely balanced judgment. What did the bench say?
10:23The bench has directed that euthanasia of rabbit and demonstrably dangerous dogs is permissible.
10:32Where legally certified, a dog cannot simply be culled on suspicion. But where rabies or clear danger
10:44is established, authorities can no longer hide behind procedure to avoid action.
10:50States have been directed to act. The court is watching as well.
10:57The order is clear. Fairly balanced, you would say. But to this, what are animal rights activists
11:02really saying? Menika Gandhi said that the problem is not the law. It is the failure to implement it.
11:10No state has seriously invested in sterilization infrastructure or shelter capacity. Dogs gather
11:15where food waste is accessible. Fix that, she says, and the numbers will fall.
11:20Now, to be fair, it's not an argument without merit. It makes sense, right?
11:25Countries that have run sustained ABC programs have seen real results, but those programs take years.
11:32And consistent funding. And watchful implementation. But in India, what's happening?
11:42Attacks continue because nobody is monitoring. Because nobody cares.
11:48So, now, I want to speak directly to our viewers on both sides of the debate.
11:58Because extremists on both sides have made this harder than it really needs to be, frankly.
12:03It's not that hard.
12:05Now, first, to those who respond to every dog attack by demanding all strays be wiped out.
12:11All dogs are banned.
12:12Don't ban my society. Don't go here. Don't go there. Don't go there.
12:15Don't go there. Don't go there.
12:16No dog should be allowed.
12:17Now, this is not a policy.
12:19This is rage looking for permission.
12:22This helps no one.
12:24And it sort of poisons a conversation that needs clear heads.
12:30Now, to those on the other side, those who feed strays outside schools, outside hospitals,
12:36outside their colonies, and then walk away when a child gets, you know, mauled.
12:43Compassion that ignores consequences is not compassion.
12:47It is just comfort.
12:48Comfort of your own, nobody else.
12:52So, the answer is somewhere most people actually agree on when the noise dies down.
12:59What do we need at this point?
13:01We need robust sterilization.
13:03We need real shelters.
13:05We need accountable municipalities.
13:07Oh, so important.
13:09And yes, we also need euthanasia where a dog is rabbit or has already attacked and possesses a clear certified
13:19danger.
13:20That is not cruelty.
13:22That is just governance.
13:25This is not a story about whether you love dogs or no.
13:29Most of us do.
13:31This is a story about whether we are serious enough about protecting lives, all lives, to finally do what needs
13:41to be done.
13:44Will that be allowed or will, again, outrage take over and everybody else then just takes a back seat?
13:53That's the question for you to sit with.
13:56But for now, let me take that question to our guest.
14:02Anish Gawande is here with us.
14:03He's a writer and activist.
14:05And I want to come to you, Anish, directly.
14:07You heard my piece there.
14:09You know my stand very clearly.
14:10But I want to understand your...
14:13Where do you stand with today's order?
14:19Are you on mute, Anish?
14:24Thank you very much for having me on, Suna.
14:26And thank you for that incredibly balanced presentation of the crisis at hand, right?
14:30I think it's very important to remember right now that the crisis of stray dogs that we're talking about today
14:36is a manufactured crisis, right?
14:39It has been created through decades of municipal mismanagement, through decades of a lack of the following of the letter
14:47of the law,
14:48and a complete absence of shelters and the sterilization and vaccination programs that we thought of way before so many
14:55other countries.
14:56So to begin with, I think the Supreme Court's order needs to be welcomed today for upholding the ABC Rules
15:022023
15:03and for upholding the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals Act 1960.
15:07The court has been very clear.
15:09It has given every single government a wrap on its knuckles and demanded that the basic principles of sterilization and
15:17vaccination must be followed.
15:18But the court, unfortunately, is misguided in some of its observations, right?
15:23For instance, the court says that sterilized and vaccinated dogs should not be returned to where they were picked up
15:30from.
15:30Now, on paper, this sounds like a great idea, right?
15:34But in practice, this will only allow unsterilized and unvaccinated dogs to take their place.
15:40This is what we've seen the world over, right?
15:42The science is very simple.
15:44You don't release sterilized and vaccinated dogs back to where you picked them up from because you think it's good
15:52for the dog.
15:53You do it because it's good for that sort of ecosystem, right?
15:57You prevent other dogs from taking their place and therefore you allow yourself the time it needs to sterilize them.
16:03But Anish, those dogs were anyways going to take their place.
16:07No, not at all, right?
16:08If they have to procreate, they will.
16:11You can't say, okay, I can't remove six, so let me not even remove three from the streets.
16:17That's not an argument.
16:19No, but the point that you made is a point that has already been part of the law.
16:24Rabbit dogs have had to be euthanized for decades.
16:28This is not something new.
16:29So I think sometimes you also have to dial down the hysteria on both sides and acknowledge that 10 years
16:36ago, before we started discussing this, rabbit dogs were being euthanized because there is no cure to rabies in a
16:42dog.
16:4310 years from now, when we've forgotten about this debate, rabbit dogs will continue to be euthanized because that is
16:49the science, right?
16:50But unfortunately, in not acknowledging that releasing dogs to where they've come from is the right way forward, in not
16:58acknowledging that the solution is not sort of the creation of shelters that are impossible to create.
17:04I mean, we haven't been able to create shelters for victims of sexual assault.
17:08And you think that you're going to be able to create shelters for the number of stray dogs?
17:11Come on, Anish, let's not equate the two.
17:13Let's not equate the two.
17:15Let's not do that.
17:17What I'm trying to say here is, I think he's gone on mute again.
17:23No, I'm not on mute.
17:25Oh, okay, okay, okay.
17:26Just very quick last word, I'll give you, Anish, because my problem is that every time Supreme Court has an
17:33order, it comes out with this, the lobby for dogs and street dogs is so strong that none of it
17:39is actually implemented.
17:41I'm seeing no implementation.
17:42And I'm saying this as a dog lover, not a street dog lover.
17:46But I'm saying we don't see any action on the ground.
17:49So whose fault is that?
17:51The complete underfunding of municipal bodies.
17:53I've seen no dogs being removed from the streets I live in or, you know, even in other parts of
17:59the country.
17:59I'm seeing no dogs removed anywhere, rabbit or otherwise.
18:03The tragedy here, most fundamentally, is that there is no magic wand solution.
18:08Unfortunately, if you see the example of the Netherlands, if you see the example of Turkey, which tried culling stray
18:14dogs and killing them before moving on to more humane solutions, this requires sustained municipal efforts.
18:20This is something that I've said to many dog activists across the country.
18:23The solution is to work with your local municipal councillor.
18:27This needs to be a collaborative effort where citizens have to put pressure on municipalities because at the end of
18:33the day, no Supreme Court order, no High Court order, no district court order is going to be effective until
18:40our municipalities step into action.
18:41This is a responsibility that politicians have to do.
18:43And what are the municipalities doing?
18:44Well, that's just a story for another day.
18:48Yeah, yeah, this is a question, Anish, and I have to thank you now for raising that question and also
18:53to all our viewers.
18:54In fact, let me leave you with these visuals.
18:57As Supreme Court was reading out the verdict today, there was another dog attack happening at the same time.
19:06This is Somnath.
19:08A child is mauled, three stray dogs go and attack a child in Oona.
19:15The child is in a serious condition, we are told.
19:17All of this was happening while the court was pronouncing its verdict.
19:22So really, really have to go and ask your municipalities, and you and I have that job, to go and
19:28ask our municipalities, what are you doing?
19:30Just implement the court order.
19:32That's all that we want.
19:33You're not asking for anything else.
19:37All right, with that, let's move on now to the other story that we are tracking for you today.
19:42Now, India has woken up to another fuel price shock this morning.
19:46Petrol and diesel costlier by 90 paise per litre.
19:50And after the three rupees hike that we saw earlier this week, this is now nearly four rupees in five
19:56days.
19:57Petrol in Delhi now costs 97.40, diesel now costs 90 rupees 10 paise.
20:04And if you have been watching this show, you know that in all probability, this is not the last hike.
20:13Because oil companies are still bleeding.
20:16Even after both the hikes, fuel retailers are estimated to losing around 10 rupees per litre on petrol and 13
20:24rupees per litre on diesel.
20:26And you know this by now, right?
20:28The sooner or later, that burden is likely to be passed on to us.
20:32Crude is above $110 a barrel right now.
20:35In the beginning of the year, it was 78.
20:39Also, if you have been following the show, you know that this is happening because of straight-up hot moves.
20:44The narrow waterway through which nearly 20% of the world's oil moves every day.
20:48Tension's there.
20:49Ships are stuck.
20:51Oil hai par nikal nahi sakta.
20:53And that is why all of us are feeling for a war that's happening there.
20:58You and I are paying a higher price here in India.
21:02So, there is a clear crisis.
21:04Price hike was delayed earlier, understandably, due to elections.
21:09And now, there will be a phase-wise rise, we are told, that is going to happen.
21:16Which brings me to the bigger question.
21:19Is this, this 90 paisa, this 90 paisa hike that has happened, is this part of a playbook?
21:26Because it's not the first time it's happening.
21:29Let me take you back to what happened in 2022.
21:34In 2022, the Russia-Ukraine war had pushed the Brent crude oil price above $120.
21:41What followed was 13 hikes in 15 days.
21:46Most of them, 80 paisa at a time.
21:49Small hike, spread out, adding up to nearly 10 rupees per litre.
21:56Before anyone could organise any outrage.
22:0080 paisa, 90 paisa, register nahi karta hai na itna.
22:04But it was still that much.
22:0513 rupees in petrol.
22:07That went up in 15 days.
22:09In 2026, the trigger is West Asia.
22:13And within 5 days, 2 hikes have already happened.
22:16Same strategy.
22:17Small increase, spread over days.
22:20Less political heat in one go.
22:23But the same hole in the household budget by the end of it.
22:27Now, the difference here is worth flagging.
22:34Remember, in 2022, crude eventually cooled.
22:38And hikes stopped.
22:40This time, analysts say that Hormuz disruption has no clear end date.
22:49A senior analyst at ICICI Securities told India today that if crude holds above $100 through June,
22:59two to three more hikes cannot be ruled out.
23:03Now, what does this mean for you and me?
23:05That means for a family running on a two-wheeler in, say, Lucknow or even Patna,
23:10a fuel tank already costs 15 rupees more than it did just about a week ago.
23:17Two more hikes that crosses 30 in a month.
23:23Aapka pura full tank jo hai, 30 rupees mahinga ho ga hai.
23:28Small numbers per litre, they add up quietly, remember,
23:33exactly as designed by the government.
23:36The government has not said this is the last hike.
23:40And the silence that they hold on this matter
23:43may be the loudest signal that you need to listen.
23:48So watch this report.
23:50See how people are reacting to the price hike across the country.
23:53Because on the other side, I've got an expert
23:55who will tell us whether this 90 pesa increase actually matters.
24:02Does it, is there a strategy behind it?
24:04Or is it just being done to avoid outrage on the ground?
24:19It is another crude blow for the Amadmi.
24:23Fuel prices have been hiked for the second time in less than a week.
24:31The petrol and diesel prices have gone up by about 4 rupees.
24:36This time, petrol and diesel prices were raised by about 90 paise per litre.
24:43The latest revision comes days after fuel prices were raised by 3 rupees per litre on Friday.
24:50The increase in fuel prices are linked to the ongoing West Asia conflict
24:55and disruptions around the Strait of Hormuz.
25:04In Delhi, patrol now costs 98.64 rupees per litre,
25:09up from 97.77 rupees,
25:12while diesel has increased to rupees 91.58 from 90.67 rupees.
25:19You will have to end up spending 98.64 paise depending on which petrol pump you are going to.
25:26For every litre of petrol that you fill in your vehicle,
25:30for a diesel vehicle, you will have to spend 91.58 paise per litre.
25:36So there is 91 paise of increment in that particular regard.
25:40Now, the people in general were sort of prepared for the situation to unfold.
26:08In Mumbai, petrol rose by 91 paise to 107.59 rupees per litre,
26:14and diesel by 94 paise to 94.08 rupees.
26:19I am right now at a petrol pump in South Mumbai.
26:22The availability of petrol is certainly there,
26:24but the fuel is there,
26:26but then the prices increase.
26:27Let me try speaking to some people, sir.
26:29The price rise has gone up again,
26:3191 paise for the second time in five days.
26:34Will it impact your budget?
26:35Of course, everyone.
26:38But then you are still filling it up?
26:40I am a doctor, but still filling it up.
26:42You need to fill it up.
26:43Yeah, yeah, everything will be getting this thing out of it.
26:46As long as it is available, you think you should get it filled up?
26:50I think we should do a public task for most of the time.
26:52We have to.
26:53Because the middle-class people are a lot of pressure.
26:57Because how much we have the payment,
26:58how much we have the payment,
26:5910-15 people, when we have the house,
27:01the gas is big,
27:08diesel in Karnataka hike to 95.04 rupees per litre
27:12and patrol hike to 107.12 rupees per litre.
27:19This particular price hike has made huge damage
27:23to the pockets of common men,
27:25especially middle-class people
27:26who have to refill on a daily basis,
27:30especially day-to-day workers and gig workers.
27:33And many of them use the vehicles for multiple purpose.
27:36Let us go and ask them how it is going to affect them.
27:39The prices of fuel have been increased.
27:41How it is affecting you?
27:43Well, you see, we understand why it's happened.
27:46So we are not objecting.
27:48I mean, I don't think that they have any control over it.
27:54In Chennai, patrol prices went up by 82 paise
27:58to 104.49 rupees per litre
28:00and diesel increased by 86 paise
28:03to 96.11 rupees per litre.
28:07We're currently here in Chennai
28:09at one of the petrol banks
28:10where, as of now,
28:12petrol stands at a price of rupees 104 per litre
28:15and diesel at 96 rupees per litre.
28:19In fact, the Prime Minister
28:21has also alerted public to be cautious
28:25as well after the central government
28:27has issued several directories
28:29following the petrol and the diesel prices
28:32being hiked by over 90 paise per litre,
28:36making the second fuel price increase
28:39in less than a week
28:40following the end of a nearly four-year freeze
28:44by the state-run oil companies.
28:49Amid the rise in fuel prices,
28:51government maintains that there is no shortage of fuel
28:53and India has adequate energy supplies.
28:57But the continuous hike in petrol and diesel
28:59continue to burn a hole in the common man's pocket.
29:02With Amit Bhardwaj, Vidya, Sagay Raj and Apoorva Jai Chandran,
29:08Bureau Report, India Today.
29:14All right, let's cut across to an expert
29:16to get an understanding of what's happening here.
29:17Joining me now is Rahul Alawalia.
29:19He's a former NITI IO consultant
29:20and founding director,
29:22Foundation for Economic Development.
29:25Thanks so much for being here, Rahul.
29:26My question is simple.
29:27Is this 90 paise, 80 paise price rise
29:32just a way of the government
29:34to ensure that the outrage on the ground
29:36does not really happen?
29:38Ultimately, do we know that
29:40before the end of the year,
29:42we would be paying at least
29:44roughly about 20 rupees,
29:4617 to 20 rupees more
29:47on both petrol and diesel?
29:50Yeah, thanks for having me.
29:52Good question.
29:53I think a lady on your show earlier also said
29:57this is not in their control.
29:59Global oil prices have surged.
30:02We are currently paying
30:04one of the lowest prices
30:06for petrol and diesel in the world.
30:09So prices in the US are 30% higher,
30:12petrol, diesel each.
30:14Prices in UK, Europe, etc.
30:17are up to double
30:18what Indian consumers are paying
30:20because their taxes are also much higher.
30:22So if you think of the US
30:23as the best comparison,
30:25they're about 30% higher
30:27which is somewhere between
30:2820 to 30 rupees more.
30:29But Rahul, won't we catch up there?
30:31About 20 rupees more
30:32is what we'll catch up.
30:33It's understood now
30:34that our delayed price strike
30:36has happened only because of elections.
30:38Now that elections are over,
30:40it will catch up, right?
30:41So that argument doesn't hold.
30:42No, no.
30:43I mean, it will catch up
30:45and it's likely that it should catch up.
30:47I think we have to reflect
30:49what the facts on the ground are, right?
30:51The facts on the ground are
30:53that oil has become more expensive,
30:55that oil has become more scarce in the world.
30:58Because if we leave prices low,
31:00what happens is we run into shortages.
31:02You haven't found shortages in cities,
31:04but I'm hearing people say that
31:06in the highways,
31:07lots of petrol bunks
31:08are just not selling petrol or diesel
31:10because oil companies are under-recovering.
31:14So for every litre of petrol they sell,
31:16they make losses, right?
31:18So the more they sell,
31:19the more losses they make,
31:21they just stop selling.
31:22So there are many, many places
31:24where you can't get petrol,
31:25can't get diesel
31:26because the prices are so low.
31:28And to be able to have supply,
31:31even with higher prices,
31:32is much better than to not have supply at all.
31:35What can the government do in this case, Rahul?
31:38Can the government take out
31:39some money out of its budget
31:41to pay off to these oil companies
31:43so that the blow on the common man is negated?
31:46So they've been doing that already so far.
31:48And I think a very fair question to ask is
31:51when global oil prices were low,
31:54benefits did not get passed on to the consumer.
31:57But now that oil prices are rising,
31:59the consumer is being asked to bet.
32:01I think that's a very fair critique.
32:04But as it stands,
32:06prices should not be messed with.
32:09This is the cardinal rule of public policy.
32:11Do not try to change prices.
32:14I think if they want to help the common man,
32:16the right way to do it
32:17is to give a direct benefit transfer to people.
32:21So try and see what is the budget impact
32:24on the regular household
32:25and transfer that amount to households.
32:27That way, at least the price reflects the reality
32:31so people will adjust their behavior,
32:33people will buy less petrol,
32:35people will buy less diesel.
32:37They will find other ways to consume.
32:40So you won't do the road trip right now.
32:42You'll do it in a few months
32:43when things calm down.
32:46You won't buy food
32:48that comes from very far away in the country.
32:50You'll buy more local produce.
32:52So people will adjust if the prices are high.
32:55But if the price remains low,
32:57behavior does not change
32:58and we all end up worse off.
33:01So the public policy response should be,
33:04let prices be
33:06and help people out
33:08by doing direct benefit transfers.
33:10That's an interesting thought.
33:12But Rahul,
33:13do you think
33:13the Prime Minister's appeal
33:15was on the lines
33:16of what you're saying right now?
33:18Discouraging people.
33:19He did not say road trips,
33:20but that's the only bit he left out
33:22which you've covered now.
33:23So don't fly abroad,
33:25don't take road trips,
33:26fuel is very high.
33:28don't, you know,
33:29make unnecessary,
33:30you know,
33:30sort of expenses,
33:32including gold,
33:33including silver,
33:34import duties,
33:35export duties,
33:35both have gone up on that as well.
33:37Is that what he's essentially
33:38trying to say that,
33:39you know,
33:40spend wise?
33:41Look, he is.
33:42But I think experience
33:44has taught us
33:45that prices are the best way
33:47to signal scarcity.
33:49So just take the example of gold,
33:51right?
33:51We think of it as unnecessary,
33:53but it is one of the best
33:54performing asset classes
33:56over the last 10, 15, 20 years.
33:58If Indians buy less gold
34:00in this year,
34:02they may end up being poorer
34:04three years from now,
34:06four years from now,
34:06because they did not buy gold
34:08this year.
34:08And we can't judge that
34:10standing here.
34:12Some people will think
34:12gold prices will fall.
34:14Some people think
34:14gold prices will rise.
34:16We don't know
34:17which one it's going to be.
34:18Neither does the prime minister know.
34:19Neither do I know.
34:21And neither does anybody else.
34:22But let people choose
34:24for themselves.
34:25let the prices reflect
34:27what the reality is.
34:28People will adjust
34:29on their own.
34:29If the prices go up,
34:31people know what is necessary
34:32and what is unnecessary.
34:33People know,
34:34look,
34:35if I don't have any meetings
34:37in office,
34:38I have a long day of work
34:39that I can do myself,
34:40I'll stay home
34:41because the petrol prices
34:42are very high
34:43and I don't want to make
34:44that trip to office.
34:45If they're like,
34:46okay,
34:46I have a client coming
34:47to meet me.
34:48No,
34:48but Rahul,
34:49how many people
34:49are actually doing it?
34:51We took out some data
34:52as well,
34:53right,
34:53of DMRC ridership
34:55and we saw it very clearly.
34:56Numbers have not increased
34:58since the prime minister
34:59made the appeal.
34:59It has not gone up.
35:01Apart from the photo
35:01that you see ministers make,
35:03common man is not
35:04making any changes
35:05because companies
35:06have not responded.
35:06Private sector has not responded.
35:08Nobody has gone online.
35:10It's not had an impact
35:12on the ground,
35:13at least that I can see.
35:15Traffic on the road
35:16is not less,
35:16pollution is not less either,
35:18please.
35:19I completely agree with you,
35:20which is why
35:21I was talking about
35:21price changes.
35:23If prices change,
35:25behaviours change.
35:26An appeal is emotional
35:28but at the end of the day
35:30it doesn't affect
35:31when the rubber hits the road.
35:33I also think
35:34the prime minister
35:34is aware of this.
35:36I think his speech
35:38was much more
35:39get ready.
35:40Prices are going to rise
35:41rather than,
35:43you know,
35:44actually change your behaviour.
35:46So,
35:47Rahul,
35:47you are the second expert
35:48on the show
35:49who has come out to say
35:50that the appeal
35:51did not really
35:51cut ice with anybody.
35:53It's not seeing
35:53footing on the ground
35:54and it's not seeing
35:55any real behaviour change either.
35:57You're the second expert
35:58on the show
35:58who's come out to say that.
35:59So, really,
36:00the government
36:00has got something to think.
36:01The prime minister's office
36:02has got something to think about
36:03what in fact exactly
36:04was the impact of that appeal.
36:05But we leave it there
36:06for the moment.
36:06Thanks so much, Rahul,
36:07for joining us
36:08with that very,
36:09very nuanced outlook.
36:10Thanks.
36:12Alright,
36:13cutting across to some
36:14breaking news coming in.
36:15This is on the Tusha case.
36:16We are now told
36:17that the family of Tusha
36:18has now submitted
36:19an application
36:19in Bhopal District Court
36:21for Tusha's
36:22second post-mortem.
36:24Remember,
36:24this has been
36:25an outstanding demand
36:27that the family had.
36:28That the family had
36:28and now that plea
36:30has been made official,
36:31they have submitted
36:31an application
36:32in the Bhopal District Court
36:33asking for a second post-mortem
36:35to actually take place here.
36:38Now, we all know
36:39the reason behind this.
36:40They said in the first post-mortem,
36:42the family wasn't convinced
36:43that everything was factored in.
36:45They said it was done
36:46at a time
36:47when there was a lot
36:48of influence
36:49of Tusha's in-laws.
36:51The mother-in-law
36:53is a former judge.
36:54Husband is a lawyer.
36:55They have family
36:56and relatives
36:57in powerful places.
36:59That's the reason
36:59why they said
37:00important details
37:01were left out
37:02which is why
37:03the family,
37:05the parents of Tusha
37:06now want
37:06a second post-mortem.
37:08Ravish Pal,
37:08my colleague,
37:09joins us for more on this.
37:10Ravish,
37:11what are the details
37:12and what are the things
37:13you want to analyze
37:15this family?
37:15The missing belt
37:16was also very critical.
37:19The latest news
37:21is that
37:22the Tusha's family
37:23has filed an application
37:24in the court.
37:25They are demanding
37:27a second post-mortem.
37:28They are not satisfied
37:28from the first post-mortem
37:29because there are
37:31some physical description
37:32and post-mortem reports
37:33in the differences.
37:34Besides,
37:35the literature
37:36was also
37:36the police
37:37had timely
37:37post-mortem
37:38time
37:39in the case
37:39available.
37:42The police
37:42also
37:43a self-fulfillment
37:44and
37:45the investigation
37:46will be
37:46SIP
37:47will do it.
37:48But
37:48the literature
37:50was given
37:51because the police
37:51gave it to FSL
37:52and gave it to FSL
37:53and then
37:53the police
37:54gave it to post-mortem
37:55aims.
37:56The report
37:57has also
37:57come.
38:00The literature
38:00has also
38:01been
38:02The marks
38:02of Risha's
38:03mail
38:03from the literature
38:05and match.
38:08However,
38:10Risha's family
38:10wants to
38:11be a second post-mortem
38:13and not
38:13in Madhya
38:14Now the application is filed, we will talk about their families with clarity
38:20that they want to be able to do postpartum again in Khopal
38:24or they demand demand from Madhya Pradesh
38:27because they want to think that Trisha's in-laws are very influential
38:31and that's why Madhya Pradesh is not in favor of second postpartum
38:35Trisha's family and they want to be able to do second postpartum in Delhi
38:44The body is still there?
38:45It's a shopping thing, it's more than 7 days now
38:50and Trisha's dead body is kept in AIMS in Khopal
38:54and the family is not taking the body
38:57because they want to say that they will not be satisfied
39:01until Trisha's body will not be able to take the cremation
39:06Alright Ravish, thanks so much for bringing us up to speed with that
39:09So one week on, the body has not been cremated, the family is demanding a second autopsy
39:14They understandably don't want it to happen at the same place, at the same hospital in Bhopal
39:20where they believe the in-laws have an influence
39:22but they have now filed a petition, let's see what the court decides in this case
39:26But staying on with the story
39:27Now the mysterious death of Trisha Singh is taking an even more dramatic turn
39:33with fresh allegations and emotional counter claims now emerging from her own family
39:38Now in an exclusive conversation with India today, Trisha's cousin Naina has rejected allegations made by the in-laws
39:45and demanded justice for her
39:47Now what is she saying? You've all seen that CCTV camera footage by now, right?
39:51You see that Trisha walks up the stairs on her own
39:55and what you see after that is, the timestamp changes, almost an hour later
40:00you see a glimpse of the husband trying to give CPR along with 2-3 others
40:06and then only the selective, you know, thing has been
40:10like I'm not seeing footage of the husband going up
40:13I'm not seeing the footage of the other 3 going up who are giving her CPR
40:16So is there a lapse in that or only selective footage has been leaked for a purpose?
40:21There are too many questions here that I have on this footage
40:23which we took to her cousin
40:26And she said that, you know, Naina is her name
40:29and she says that Trisha was fairly happy with the marriage
40:32but things changed after marriage
40:34She also says that Samat is a very smooth talker
40:37and knew exactly how to bend the law
40:38These are of course all claims for the family, remember?
40:41So take a look and see for yourself on what these allegations are
40:50I would like to highlight a particular part about that footage
40:53My sister is holding a headphone and she's going upstairs
40:56because that's where the gym is
40:58and she was fitness free
40:59so she's probably going there to just feel herself
41:02and, you know, calm herself down while listening to the music
41:04She loved listening to the music
41:05We love to dance and, you know, listen to the music
41:08but that's what I can figure out
41:10Now later these 3 men, including her husband, went there
41:14I would not call him a husband, I would call him the culprit
41:17He went upstairs and he is dragging the body
41:20and purposely giving her CPR right in front of the CCTV
41:24so that people can see, oh, such a loving dear husband I am
41:27I'm giving CPR to my wife
41:29and the CPR looks bogus, it doesn't even look like a CPR
41:32Then he further dragged my sister and you can see
41:36a part of her body is not even covered
41:38I cannot understand how a man who has been married to this girl
41:44would drag her without even caring what is she wearing
41:48I mean, you can see her stomach is bloating now
41:51You can play this footage and you can see how she has been dragged
41:55Her body was uncovered, the part of her body was uncovered
41:58and in between, he literally lifted the body like she is a sack of potato or something
42:04Visha was broken down to the level that she distanced herself purposely
42:08with a lot of other friends and cousins
42:10and the narrative that we were getting from her side of the family
42:13is that everything is fine
42:15Now this could be the pressure from her own husband
42:17that you have to tell that, you know, we are doing absolutely fine
42:20You don't have to tell that what is happening here
42:22talking about the dowry allegations
42:25there could be multiple reasons
42:26because first, my sister lost her job
42:29and that's when this guy also got a little mad about the fact that now she doesn't have a job
42:33This guy had seen her mother working all his life
42:36So he couldn't understand how can non-working women be in the same house as the working women
42:42That could be one of the reasons where he started building pressure about the money
42:46Probably he doesn't need it, but he just wanted to build the pressure on her
42:49or probably he needed it because he just wanted to break my sister down
42:53and that's what he did successfully
42:55It was very difficult to break her down
42:57She has been through a lot in her life
42:59and it is really not making sense
43:02Nothing is adding up
43:03He is absconding, he has not surrendered
43:05He has been not making any other statements
43:09I don't even know if he is in the country or not
43:11His face should be circulated
43:13His face should be put up everywhere
43:15from southern India to most northern part of India
43:18to Nepal to other bordering countries
43:20that he should not escape this
43:23and how come my sister committed suicide
43:25and there is no evidence
43:27There is no evidence produced yet in the court
43:30or by
43:31I don't know
43:31I don't think so
43:32Forensic also has this
43:33Forensic report states that
43:35my sister had fatal injuries
43:37all over her body
43:38And the mark
43:40If you see the mark
43:41I saw that mark once
43:42and I couldn't sleep all night
43:43We all
43:44All the sisters in my family
43:46We are very brave
43:48We are very brave
43:49So Tisha and I were known for being brave
43:52and having an opinion of ourselves
43:54We were not some naive girls
43:57that you can make fool around
43:58It took him six months to break my sister down
44:02So you can imagine how brave she was
44:03So I am going to be very clear and honest about it
44:06While she was in a relationship with this guy
44:09I was not around
44:10because I was doing courses
44:11I was traveling
44:12I am into the wellness industry
44:13So I was not in touch with her
44:15However, this information
44:17or this substance and facts
44:19can be given by her parents exactly
44:21But as per Samad psychology
44:23I can understand that
44:24he could have predicted very well
44:26that I am a nice guy, right?
44:28We have been living in the metro cities
44:30and we know how this works
44:31How the online dating app works
44:33I think he predicted well enough
44:36that I live in Gopal
44:37She lives in Noida
44:38She is far away from her parents
44:39I just want to get married
44:41and I just want a baby
44:42I am a patriarchal narcissist man
44:44I can handle a girl with a simple mindset
44:46So he planned everything
44:48I cannot believe that
44:49this just happened right after the dating
44:51He had everything planned
44:52Everything was planned
44:54The way they were handling things on her death
44:56made things very clear
44:57I am sure that this was our premeditated
45:02Powerful words by the cousin Naina
45:04But where was she when Tusha was asking for help?
45:07Where was the family when she kept telling everyone
45:10that she is not happy?
45:12Why is it so easy to blame once somebody has passed away?
45:17And so difficult for us as a society
45:19to intervene and help someone when they are asking for it
45:22Especially if it is the girl
45:23Why are girls constantly asked to adjust?
45:27Think about that
45:28Union Education Minister Dharmed Pradhan
45:30has now chaired a high-level review meeting
45:32of the re-need preparations
45:34The re-exam that is
45:35We are told now that
45:37the Education Minister has directed
45:39to conduct re-examination foolproof
45:41and under strict security protocols
45:43stressing the need for complete integrity
45:45and transparency in the conduct of the examination
45:47Pradhan has also directed
45:48that all gaps identified in the earlier examination process
45:51must be comprehensively addressed and eliminated
45:54But what is he doing?
45:55What exactly will he do?
45:57to ensure that this does remain a foolproof protocol
46:01Let me take that question to my colleague, Piyush Mishra
46:06Piyush Mishra joins us for the latest on this
46:08Piyush, what exactly is the strategy here?
46:10How will he ensure?
46:11Apart from just lip service
46:12What will he do to give assurance to all those aspirants
46:17that it will not leak this time?
46:20Well, for that high-level meeting
46:22has been chaired by Union Education Minister Dharmedra Pradhan
46:24and this meeting was basically on re-need preparations
46:28and after this meeting
46:29what we are now learning is that Dharmedra Pradhan has directed
46:32that there should be foolproof conduct of examinations
46:35under strict protocol
46:36You would also remember that the government has been focusing on this
46:42for the last many, many times
46:44Last time also similar sort of protocols were in place
46:46but unfortunately the paper got leaked
46:49But this time Dharmedra Pradhan has directed that all the gaps must be identified
46:54those who were there in the earlier examination
46:56and must be comprehensively addressed and eliminated
46:59The minister has also emphasized that the re-need examinations must be conducted
47:03in a secure, seamless and foolproof manner under stringent security protocols
47:07and this has been directed after a high-level meet which happened at his residence
47:12Who all were there, Piyush, for this high-level meeting? Did he call NTA?
47:16Well, they were all the senior officials from the Education Ministry
47:22Education Secretary was also there
47:24After this meeting, a few directions have been issued
47:28Yes, officials from NTA were also present in that meeting
47:32and strict directions have now been issued by Dharmedra Pradhan
47:36We'll have to see how the examination is going to be conducted
47:39But this time, what is more important here, Sonal
47:41that the government is very much strict
47:44They are saying that all the gaps those were there in the last examination must be addressed
47:48But do they know the gaps, Piyush?
47:49Have they identified the gaps for them to fill it?
47:52We are just seeing lip service
47:53We are seeing meeting, we have said it will be foolproof
47:55What are the measures that you have taken?
47:58They are not talking about that
48:00Well, Sonal, we have tried to assess about the gaps which the government has identified
48:04What we are told is that they are waiting for CBI probe to complete
48:08And after that itself, they are going to make statement on that
48:11So, government does not want to intervene in CBI probe
48:14And that's why they are saying that we need to address the gaps those were there
48:16So, the officials of India also know what's going on
48:19CBI probe is separate
48:19CBI probe is what happened in the previous examination
48:22To identify the gaps, you need to know what's wrong
48:24Only then can you fill them
48:26Do they even have an idea of what's going on?
48:28Are they going back to the advisory that was given in 2024?
48:31To the warning that was given in 2025?
48:33Are they going back to any of it?
48:35But I guess, Piyush, we'll have to wait to actually get those answers
48:38From the government at the moment
48:39We leave it there for the moment
48:40That's all the time we have on the program
48:41Leaving you with these visuals
48:43That Beintra Pradham, Education Minister says
48:45He's filling all the gaps
48:46What are the gaps?
48:47We don't know what measures
48:48We don't know yet
48:49But we'll be keeping an eye on all of that for you
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