No big move for Red Sox, the right move?

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Angry #redsox text of the day! "Red Sox are undefeated since the deadline, but you keep talking about Craig Breslow" No big move, the right move?

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00:00Would you like the angry Red Sox text of the morning, Curtis?

00:05Why are you angry?

00:06617 text that says Red Sox are undefeated since the deadline,

00:13but you morons keep talking about Craig Breslow and what he did at the deadline.

00:18I don't know that we keep talking about that.

00:20We have discussed it from time to time.

00:22Good morning.

00:24We have discussed it from time to time over the last couple of days.

00:27He looks like, hey, maybe he looks like in this position right now

00:32because of the way of Giolito and Bale's pitching that he made the, you know,

00:38not necessarily he made the right move,

00:40but there weren't deals out there that he could get done.

00:43Yeah, I've seen the building of the fall guy,

00:48and that is going to be Breslow if and when the team falls off

00:52because Karabas has been saying that there were people in the building

00:57miffed at his indecisiveness.

01:01And I would also just say, like, I don't know if anybody believes this.

01:05According to Bradford, you had Theo Epstein, you had Alex Cora, Sam Kennedy,

01:11John Henry, Gordon, everybody in the room on the trade deadline day.

01:16And according to most of the reporting,

01:19the offer to the twins for Joe Ryan came very late.

01:22And why, if you're John Henry or if you're Sam Kennedy,

01:29who we could ask Thursday at 9, or you're anybody in that room,

01:33you have the ability to say, hey, call the twins, give them this offer,

01:41let them know that we're here, and if they get a better one,

01:44to give us a call and we'll try and sweeten it.

01:46It sounds to me like it was your typical negotiation tactic

01:50where you're waiting until the end so that you are going to hopefully

01:54get the best deal for yourself.

01:56But I agree with you.

01:57But Joe Ryan, Greg, I understand that the twins are having a fire sale,

02:01but Joe Ryan isn't one that they are saving money on.

02:05He only has $3 million coming his way.

02:07Right.

02:08So it's not like in the last minute they're like, oh, no,

02:10we have to offload this guy, otherwise we're set with the bill.

02:14Yeah, I mean, the reporting or the whispering is that by the time

02:18the Red Sox got around to taking it seriously,

02:22the twins had already moved.

02:24They were making so many other moves.

02:27That's crap.

02:28I don't buy that.

02:29Because if you really are willing to move on from Joe Ryan,

02:34if you're Minnesota, and a good enough deal comes in,

02:38whether it's at the 11th hour or if it's a week before,

02:44you take the deal.

02:45So then what happened in your mind?

02:46I think that the deal that Breslow offered wasn't good enough for the twins.

02:52But that's when you have negotiations.

02:54And I think that's what's frustrating to people is that for Craig Breslow

02:57to come on the show and say everything was on the table.

02:59We put guys on the table that we said we were never going to.

03:02We got uncomfortable.

03:03Yeah.

03:04So if that's the case.

03:05But do you 100% believe that?

03:07So what's he lying about?

03:08Well, I think that there were guys that were on the table,

03:14but for a certain price.

03:19And he wasn't willing to part.

03:20You're talking prospect price, not what it's going to cost you.

03:24Prospect price.

03:24He wasn't willing to do that.

03:25Yeah, whether it's prospects, whether it's current guys on the current roster.

03:30Like, I don't know.

03:31Maybe he says to Minnesota, okay, we'll give you these prospects, A, B, and C.

03:37And they're like, oh, we want those, plus we need you to throw in Durant.

03:40It was feeble because it came late and it didn't have what they wanted.

03:44That's why Ken Rosenthal called it feeble.

03:47And I just want to ask everybody.

03:49Well, then that's my thing.

03:50It's really you didn't give them what they wanted.

03:52Does anybody believe that Craig Breslow was operating the war room at the trade deadline

03:57and it was up to him and him alone what they could and couldn't do?

04:02No.

04:02Does anybody believe that if John Henry, Theo Epstein, Sam Kennedy, or Alex Corris said

04:07we need to make a deal, figure it out, that he would have had to figure it out?

04:11Yes.

04:11So then why does anybody waste a second on Craig Breslow?

04:15He is just the figurehead.

04:17He was the 10th guy to interview for the job.

04:19Why do we allow these?

04:21Like, they've already started it.

04:23Carabba's talking about how people in the building, and I believe him completely.

04:27Yeah.

04:27Completely in the, people in the building were very frustrated by how rigid he was.

04:33Like, okay.

04:34Well, they can't be frustrated if they were all there at decision time.

04:37Right.

04:38And they weren't telling him, you got to do it.

04:40I got calls on Saturday with Ken where people were like, well, I mean, Breslow didn't want

04:44to make the deal.

04:45I'm like, Alex Corra makes three times what Breslow makes.

04:50John Henry owns everything.

04:51Like, are you really telling me that Craig Breslow was the one who was in charge?

04:56But he's the one finding all the traits.

04:58So it's not John Henry and Alex Corra.

05:00Yeah, exactly.

05:00But if Craig Breslow doesn't get an actual trade offer on the board, then he has nothing

05:07to propose to them for them to tell him to accept it.

05:09Well, my guess is that John Henry says, we need to get X player, figure out what the deal

05:13needs to happen, and let's execute it.

05:15But there may be something.

05:17I think I heard you guys talking about it Saturday.

05:20There may be something to the suggestion that there are, that teams don't like dealing with

05:27the Red Sox and haven't for quite some time.

05:30Right.

05:31Was that you guys talking about that?

05:32There's a lot of people out there that believe that they are being spun for PR purposes when

05:37the Red Sox are, quote, in on something, when the reality is the call is just to do a,

05:43to make it accurate that they were in on X player, whereas other teams at the deadline

05:47just want to get a deal done and aren't being used for PR purposes.

05:50I think if John Henry and those guys are in the room, and I kind of lean a little bit to

05:55Shime's point, but I think that he's basically said, okay, Bres, you're gonna do all the

06:03baseball stuff.

06:04He then comes back with a package and says, hey, John, this is what we should be willing

06:09to do to get Joe Ryan.

06:13Minnesota doesn't like that.

06:14And maybe John Henry goes, if you think that's best, Bres, then let's not do that.

06:20If you don't think it's worth it to give up, Duran part of that deal, and I'm just using

06:24his name for example.

06:25But it doesn't, it costs you three million bucks, like, and prospects.

06:29Like, I, if that deal, I just think they were way too late on it.

06:33Like, I don't think that deal ever was presented to them.

06:36And John Henry said, no, Curtis, like, you don't, you don't think that, right?

06:40Yeah.

06:40I know, not at all.

06:41Yeah.

06:42I think that they were not as aggressive as they want us to believe they were because

06:48John Henry really wants to have the maximum amount of flexibility with all these young

06:52guys around.

06:53And they traded several, several top prospects to get crochet.

06:58And now their other prospects are playing in the big league club.

07:00So maybe they don't have the depth that other people.

07:02So do you think John Henry says, you can trade all, you could trade player XYZ, prospect XYZ,

07:11but you can't trade these guys?

07:13I think John Henry.

07:14Right.

07:14So, so, so I don't put it on John Henry.

07:18I'd put it on Breslau.

07:19If you're not giving Minnesota the best possible option, and I'm not buying that.

07:25Wait, so you think John Henry wanted them to trade more and Breslau said no?

07:28No, no, no.

07:28I think that Breslau went to Minnesota, gave them an offer for Joe Ryan.

07:34That John Henry probably approved of.

07:36Yeah.

07:37Whatever.

07:38And then Minnesota said, no, we want more with that.

07:43Okay.

07:43So then Breslau said.

07:45I think John Henry probably said, everybody is on the table except the password.

07:50Well, if you believe Jeff.

07:52Do you ever use the Google password when they say use a strong or do you just create your

07:56own?

07:56I always create my own.

07:57I use the same one.

07:58Yeah.

07:58Bullet one, two, three.

07:59That's really bad.

08:01I don't, I mean, it seems fine.

08:03One hacker gets it.

08:04I do have trouble.

08:04I did have trouble logging into Roku to watch the game the other day.

08:08This DoorDash account is loaded.

08:11Is baseball ever going to be on just the regular network that one gets on their cable system

08:15or how is that going in the future?

08:17I have no idea, but I do know that if the Red Sox wanted Joe Ryan, they would have Joe

08:22Ryan.

08:24That's really simple.

08:25And it is not because of Craig Breslau.

08:27It's not because of any of the way the scouts.

08:30So then who's it because?

08:31It's the organization.

08:33So the organization said, we want Joe Ryan, but we're not willing to give up this piece?

08:39What it takes to get him.

08:40Right.

08:40Which is why they call it the pursuit people.

08:41So then that would be on Breslau.

08:43But if Ryan was on the table, Curtis, a texter wants to know, if Joe Ryan was on the table,

08:48why didn't anybody else get him?

08:50If that's what the Red Sox wanted.

08:51Because his salary was not onerous for the Twins.

08:55He is not someone that they're going to have to pay a lot the rest of the way.

08:58It's three and a half million or something.

09:00So they'll wait to the offseason.

09:01And they want the best possible deal.

09:03Right.

09:03So nobody gave them the best possible deal.

09:07The only deal that they described as feeble was from the Boston Red Sox.

09:11Right.

09:11But to Greg's point, if there was a good enough deal out there.

09:15No, I'm just saying, why did they call it feeble?

09:17They didn't say that about it the other time.

09:18But now they.

09:18Somebody's a huge Avengers fan, because I think that's what Thanos said.

09:23Oh, that's what, that's what's the best explanation.

09:25Feeble human beings.

09:26Right.

09:27But I just look at if Breslau gave, they gave a counter to Breslau.

09:32Minnesota gave them a counter.

09:34I don't care if it was at the last hour.

09:35A lot of deals get done the last hour before the trade.

09:38The last 10 minutes before a trade deadline.

09:41Minnesota gave them a counter.

09:43They elected the Red Sox not to go with whatever that counter is.

09:49Listen, they're undefeated since the deadline.

09:51So maybe Breslau was spot on.

09:53Right.

09:53If I don't, I don't put the trade.

09:55Honestly, I put the trade.

09:57Them not doing nothing, getting somebody.

09:59I put it on Breslau.

10:00Good morning.

10:01Hi.

10:02I think Henry says, hey, you're free to do what you want with the baseball.

10:06You know, if it's a money situation, and clearly it wasn't, so he doesn't have to sign off

10:10on money.

10:114-0 since the unfortunate incident in Fall River, I'll tell you.

10:14Yeah.

10:15They look pretty good.

10:16He's getting the last laugh right now.

10:18Did you see the text that Ken sent Sam?

10:20It's a video of him cheering when everybody was booing.

10:23No, I didn't see that.

10:24But yeah.

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