00:00What would you be asking about? What would you want us to look for?
00:04And you heard Vrabel say there, he's a trenches guy.
00:08He'd focus on the trenches. So Patriots in pads today.
00:11First time, Vrabel's first time with the team in pads.
00:15What would you have looked for? What would be the first thing?
00:17Well, I think, first of all, it's a great answer from Vrabel,
00:20because he is almost the opposite of Bill,
00:26where Bill will sometimes make you guess Belichick,
00:31would make you guess what his philosophy was.
00:35But you have to listen.
00:37If you have to listen very closely,
00:38you can figure out what the philosophy of Bill Belichick was over the years.
00:42Mike Vrabel is not really making you guess.
00:44He's saying the same things over and over.
00:46His first press conference, he says,
00:48we want to take advantage of bad football.
00:51The game is won up front.
00:54Look at the Super Bowl.
00:55Look how Philadelphia was able to take advantage of Kansas City.
00:58And then today, he's talking about not falling down, being coordinated,
01:02being powerful enough to establish yourself at the line of scrimmage.
01:05This is what he wants.
01:07And it's noble.
01:10It's admirable.
01:11I think you will see elements of it this year.
01:14I just think it's hard to establish that in year one
01:17with the team as bad as the Patriots were.
01:20They don't – I think he got some of his players in.
01:27But they don't – you can't transform that.
01:30You can't get that type of mentality and that type of performance in one offseason.
01:35Don't you think they can do it on the defensive line?
01:37No.
01:38No.
01:39I mean, they got a lot of veteran guys there, Michael.
01:41Yeah, they got a lot of veteran guys.
01:42When I say veteran guys, I'm counting guys who have been in the league for three years.
01:45Milton Williams.
01:46Yeah.
01:47You know, Harold Landry.
01:48Okay.
01:49Nice.
01:49Barmore.
01:50Yeah.
01:50Yeah.
01:51Keon White.
01:52Okay.
01:53Milton Williams, we don't know.
01:56He was part of a great rotation in Philadelphia.
01:58Their defensive line is amazing.
02:00If they paid him, like, he's going to have to be an MVP player.
02:02Yeah, right.
02:02And he's going to have to do that.
02:03He's going to have to play a lot more than he has in his career.
02:07Keon White talks a good game.
02:08You've got to back it up now, big fella.
02:10Time to back it up.
02:11So, I don't know what you're going to get from Keon White.
02:13Barmore.
02:14Once again, you don't know what you're going to get.
02:15Essentially missing all of last year.
02:18They were the worst team with sacks last year.
02:22Worst team in football.
02:23Just did not get to the passer.
02:26Harold Landry is good.
02:27He's a good Vrabel player.
02:29Solid.
02:29Above average.
02:31But that's a lot to overcome.
02:34So, I think what I'm looking for, and this is where it starts.
02:39Anything that happened, I don't want to hear about anything that happened last week.
02:42Does not matter to me, because it's not real football until you put the pads on.
02:47Put the pads on, and the number one thing, Murray, I'm looking for is the left tackle.
02:54It's back to that.
02:55I'm not going to sit up here talking about short arms.
02:57Not short arm talk today.
02:59But anybody can play left tackle without pads on.
03:03Now, let's put it on the pads, and let's see who Will Campbell is.
03:06Let's see if Will Campbell is a tackle or a guard, because everything else becomes irrelevant.
03:12The development of Drake May, Josh McDaniels, how good Steph Diggs looks, and look at Demario
03:18Douglas.
03:18All that's irrelevant if that guy can't play left tackle.
03:21Campbell reportedly had a good day as a run blocker.
03:23Just reading from all the reports down there, and he was part of the good from Mike Giardi
03:27of Boston Sports Journal.
03:29Said Will Campbell had good moments as a run blocker, and he was kind of blowing some people
03:32up.
03:32Now, that said, Milton Williams, hopefully I'm saying the name correctly, Kyrus Tonga,
03:38Keon White in particular, were a handful defensively.
03:41And then the corners held up after Gonzalez.
03:44That's the big story of the day.
03:45Christian Gonzalez left with that injury.
03:47And so no further update on that injury status, though.
03:50Michael, Murray, are there any details on the Gonzalez injury?
03:56It sounded like it was a hamstring.
03:57It looked at, yeah, nothing beyond that.
03:58Just left leg, limped, went with the trainers, never returned.
04:02But just, you know, look, we're no doctors, but just you've watched enough football.
04:05You've seen these training camp practices.
04:07It did look like it was probably a hamstring.
04:09That would suck.
04:10That would suck to be without him for a long time.
04:14You know, you look at the strength of this.
04:16You talked to me about the front seven.
04:18I have questions.
04:19I don't really have a lot of questions about the secondary.
04:21If you get Carlton Davis out there, Davis and Gonzalez, you're not just above average.
04:29I'd say that's a top ten corner duel in the league.
04:34So how do you feel about their safeties?
04:37Good.
04:37I think their safeties are good.
04:39Like last year.
04:40I don't.
04:40You don't think their safeties are good?
04:41I don't.
04:42I think they have two strong safeties.
04:44I don't think they have a true free safety.
04:47Someone who can, you know, I'll just use the general term.
04:50Kyle Hamilton.
04:51Yeah.
04:51So run sideline to sideline.
04:53Yeah.
04:53You know, cover the secondary.
04:54I don't think they have that kind of guy.
04:56I don't think either one of those guys is a pass player.
04:59Well, I thought Doug Duggar disappointed me last year.
05:03And so I'm going to give him a pass because I thought he was trending in that direction.
05:07He's he's definitely got the tools for it.
05:10Last year was a down year for Kyle Duggar.
05:12And then Peppers, we know.
05:14I mean, that year was all over on the field, off the field.
05:17Just craziness for Jabril Peppers.
05:20Do you think that you don't you think Marcus Jones, but he's more of a corner, you know,
05:25you don't think you can kind of invent that guy?
05:27No.
05:28Kind of like hybrid guy.
05:29I mean, maybe they can, but I don't see it yet.
05:31So, no.
05:32So, look, if you're saying to me, someone's going to come out of the woodwork and they're
05:35going to move Marcus Jones to safety and he's going to be the guy.
05:38So small, though.
05:39Okay.
05:39Yeah.
05:39I don't think he's big enough.
05:41Yeah.
05:41He's just so small.
05:41Yeah.
05:42I don't think he's big enough.
05:43And so now look, what's his name in Seattle?
05:45Earl Thomas was an overly big guy.
05:47Yeah, but just would.
05:48Yeah.
05:48But he would hammer people.
05:49But Jones likes to hit.
05:51And he could cover.
05:52He could really, really cover.
05:53Yeah.
05:53He could, you know, so there's a combination of speed and strength there that you have
05:57to have to play that position.
05:58And also smarts.
06:00Right?
06:00Like, free safety is a big spot.
06:03And when the Patriots have been, you know, McCourty wasn't, like, to me, McCourty wasn't
06:08a Hall of Fame caliber talent, but he was solid.
06:11You know, McCourty was a solid BB plus safety in what he may have lacked in some of the raw
06:17ability he had.
06:18I would say McCourty was an A minus safety.
06:20Okay.
06:21Fine.
06:21I would say, you look at McCourty, but just exactly what you're talking about.
06:24They didn't draft him to be a safety.
06:27You know, that first year, he was great as a corner.
06:29Then he lost it.
06:30He just couldn't cover.
06:31All of a sudden, he just lost the ability to play corner.
06:33They move him to safety, and he's all over the place.
06:36Has great speed.
06:37He ended his career with great speed.
06:39Yep.
06:40And if you look at, in your mind's eye, think of a Devin McCourty interception.
06:46It's like you're in a ghost town.
06:48Nobody within 20 yards.
06:50Correct.
06:50And the ball is just coming to you.
06:52But he could cover.
06:54He could cover the deep middle of the field.
06:57And so, you can find those guys, even if you don't draft them as free.
07:03Yeah, it can be done.
07:04And look, I think McCourty, more often than not, had himself in the right position.
07:08So, he was smart.
07:10Really smart.
07:11They used to have a lot of those guys, too.
07:12Like, McCourty was one of them.
07:14Duran Harmon, to a degree, was one of those guys.
07:18They never really struggled with the deep middle guy.
07:20I think part of it was scheme.
07:22But we haven't seen a guy like that in a long time.
07:26They haven't had one in a while.
07:28Really, since McCourty left.
07:29Yeah, they haven't had one.
07:30And just quickly, as you mention it, is there, like, if I say to you, what was the most memorable
07:36play of Devin McCourty's career?
07:38Do you have one?
07:40Of his career?
07:42I wouldn't say of his career.
07:43The one play that stands out to me, was this the, when he was traveling, what, 21 miles an hour?
07:48So, remember this return?
07:51In Seattle?
07:52That one?
07:52Was it a pick six in Seattle?
07:53Yeah, pick six.
07:54He was fast.
07:55Yeah.
07:56So, but as far as a career-defining, no.
08:01Do you remember any of his interceptions?
08:03Yeah, but you know what?
08:04That's what I'm saying, this interception.
08:06When I think of his interceptions, it's always, oh, boy.
08:09Wow, what a terrible throw from the quarterback.
08:12Devin McCourty's going to come up with that.
08:13I remember one.
08:15Which one?
08:15Murray, do you remember it?
08:17No.
08:18Baltimore.
08:18There was one against Baltimore.
08:19I think it was in the game where they threw the two-trick plays.
08:23Okay.
08:24So, I think he picked off Flacco on the sideline, created, unless it was a different Baltimore
08:30game, but I'm pretty sure it was that one where he picked off Flacco on the sideline and
08:34kept his feet in bounds.
08:36That's the only one I remember.
08:37Yeah.
08:38You know what?
08:38That is, in that game, you know what I remember about that game?
08:41It's weird.
08:43Like, the things that stand out over the years.
08:46That game.
08:46So, you remember the, we all remember the trick plays.
08:49You remember that interception.
08:50I remember that that was a sneaky game mismanagement situation from Bill Belichick.
08:56Do you remember this?
08:57Do you remember the game?
08:58If you go back and watch it, I think it was Nance on the broadcast.
09:01So, Nance is pretty much saying, hey, and the Patriots will advance.
09:07And I'm thinking, wait a minute.
09:08Hey, Jim.
09:09I think you and Bill Belichick have kind of missed the game situation.
09:14The clock.
09:15The Ravens can still get the ball.
09:18And the Ravens wound up throwing the ball deep.
09:21It was a scary game.
09:22I think the Patriots really, I think Belichick screwed up the clock there.
09:28And the Ravens had a chance at the end to steal it.
09:33They didn't, clearly.
09:34But it was a pretty big blunder from Belichick that everybody kind of glossed over because
09:40the Patriots won the game.
09:41So, was it like a Hail Mary type of game?
09:43Yeah.
09:43Okay.
09:44I'll look it up.
09:44And it was great, Holly.
09:45So, Revis was back there.
09:46Because in the first half, I think it was Steve Smith on the Ravens at the time.
09:51That sounds right, yeah.
09:52So, Steve Smith was really, had his way with Revis in the first couple of series of the
09:58game.
09:58And then Revis responded and pretty much shut him down in the second half.
10:03But I think it was, they were going for Steve Smith late in the game.
10:08And I'm thinking, wait a minute.
10:09If this is a pass interference or if this is a reception, the Ravens might come away and
10:14steal this game.
10:15Steve Smith finished the day with three catches on four targets.
10:18All three catches on three targets were in the first half.
10:22First half.
10:2344 yards and a touchdown.
10:25Yeah.
10:25So, first half.
10:26Very good.
10:26First half, he kind of had his way with Revis.
10:29And Revis was like, all right, we'll take care of this.
10:32Okay, good.
10:32I'd like to know that your memory is actually working.
10:35So, that way I can, the next time you say something about the pass, I'll be able to
10:38believe you.
10:39So, that's it.
10:40And you still won't believe me.
10:41Yes.
10:41And you still won't.
10:42So, that's it.
