00:00come to you from the remote a-hole chair location we got big jim murray and matt mccarthy back in
00:05our town fair tiger studios in waltham hi fellas hello michael hey mike so the format is the same
00:10the agenda set by your wonderful phone calls we have already released the hounds i assume
00:14at 617-779-0985 uh as you get logged in as you call up and get inputted into the screen we've
00:23got to fill the time so we do it with opening takes and uh i'll go first since i was listening
00:29to phil perry and you'll hear quite a bit of phil perry here in the in the next hour as he reported
00:33from that joint practice in minnesota yesterday some pretty ominous commentary on the patriots
00:40offensive line not just the play of will campbell but ben brown at guard the whole left side
00:47the center situation uh this bradbury who they picked up from you know basically the street
00:55you know he was released by minnesota and he's on the street and that's your starting center
01:01the guard was the rookie who drafted in the third round he has flamed out now it's ben brown again
01:08which was bad enough last year but now we got ben brown back in our face will campbell has been
01:13really hit or miss in training camp here at left tackle and what did you hear that uh was that on
01:22that guy seven of 12 with seven sacks oh yeah do you hear that number yeah seven of 12 with seven
01:29sacks and we're talking about ben brown and we're talking about is the right tackle even playing uh
01:36morgan moses was taking part in those practices yesterday from what i read okay so but he was also
01:43part of the problem so if i may just quickly between phil who i love and even so reading you know the recap
01:48this morning in the globe from nicole yang we're not talking about two real provocateurs here and she
01:53wrote you know but there was a great catch on like fourth and a million from may to booty the three
01:57plays leading up to booty's catch sack by vikings defensive lineman jonathan allen an easy sack by
02:02outside linebacker dallas turner against right tackle morgan moses false start by rookie left tackle will
02:07campbell as impressive as the connection was between may and booty the entire series seemed emblematic of a
02:13potentially growing problem for the patriots again that's that's not volan right now that's
02:18nicole yang i read that this morning and i was like oh geez oh boy i gotta tell you that's the only
02:25thing i've ever read from nicole yang i mean that i remember that that resonates that hit uh and i read
02:32it just now in the audio form from big jim so you know it's bad when nicole yang's hauling off on you
02:38yeah yeah so this is all a long way of saying and this is this is my opening take what a disgrace
02:46seriously that the patriots have been in this spot for three four years now where the offensive line
02:55has been just a fire drill it's been a total mess on the field off the field the personnel the
03:05decision making the money spent they've had so long i know mike rabel just got here but i'm talking
03:13as an organization they've had three four years now high draft picks gobs of money needs uh and they
03:24have and i don't know if they're any closer to figuring the thing out than they were before and
03:30that's just a disgrace and look i still think the team's gonna be better i think they're gonna be
03:35back into uh respectability is my expectation that between mike rabel josh mcdaniels and drake may
03:43they prop up that line they get rid of the ball they scheme it they coach it up all those things
03:50that's still my expectation but three four years of this we're still doing this that is uh that is a
03:58disgrace and an indictment of the organization who's next uh well i'll go off that because in
04:03the hierarchy of things to be concerned about regarding this year's patriots team i know backup
04:07quarterback isn't top tier for most people or even second tier and look i get it offensive line like
04:12you're talking about i mean that should be the the top of the tier of concerns for this year's
04:16patriots team their linebacker core seems thin to me will drake may take to a headier offense with
04:21josh mcdaniels but this this josh dobbs i'm sorry he's a nice story the nasa internship
04:27cute pastor not nickname all that but this guy stinks and they needed to do better here as well
04:33especially given drake may's penchant for running the ball when the play breaks down and it's probably
04:37going to if the offensive line blows and he's already shown last year that when he he does put
04:42himself in danger and gets concussed or could get concussed anytime he does run so you saw last week
04:47in the preseason game against washington this dobbs can't hit the broad side of a barn and anything
04:53written about him this summer at training camp or in these joint practices he's missing guys left and
04:57right i just find it annoying is all there were better options here even besides joe milton i'd have
05:03like someone that i know will be able to keep them afloat if may goes down for a few weeks joe flacco
05:08how about work how about this i don't know call me crazy could you have called up denver and worked
05:14a trade for them to get jared stidham back here does jared stidham know josh mcdaniel's offense he does
05:19he's worked in this system so but then again i don't know maybe that would have made josh drake
05:24may a little uncomfortable or filled the runway up a little bit too much because remember moving on
05:29from joe milton cleared the runway for drake may said mike reese of espn so i don't know it just it's
05:35it's something that's annoyed me going into this second preseason game tomorrow because we're going
05:38to get a lot of josh jobs i'm sure against minnesota and it shouldn't be him it should be someone else
05:42so before matt goes uh it's fair to second guess what they could have done same with the on the
05:48offensive line though the tackle group was thin the tackle group was thin make it not so thin make an
05:54offer where you i don't know maybe you have to lose the deal to fill out your depth chart but there
06:00could have been someone there you could have done something at guard how about how about joe tooney
06:04joe tooney can play both and he's got short arms too so he'd be a stopgap but he played left tackle
06:10all the way to the super bowl last year where he was exposed no doubt about it but he got there
06:16and talk about a guy that who's got flexibility experience in the system winning pedigree that
06:22would have been a nice guy he went to chicago right correct he was with the bears so he was there
06:26there were moves like that to be made instead we're talking about ben brown again that's a disgrace
06:31uh kevin back at home would you do me a favor and reset the board so i can see the names uh we'll go to
06:35the calls right up for matt mccarthy gives you his uh uh opening take go ahead matt i thought that was a
06:39very uplifting first 10 minutes of the program uh by the way i don't disagree with either of what you
06:44just said but i think we should at least mention though that i think the patriots had themselves a
06:49good week like on the whole a good week yes the backup quarterback thing is a problem yes the
06:55offensive line is a real problem mike that unit still sucks that being said they won wednesday's
07:01practice they lost thursday's practice that's a split with a 14 win team from last year i'm not
07:06saying it's all perfect but here's what i take away from this week despite the offensive line
07:11struggles which undeniably are a massive issue and will hold this team back the reporting was that
07:17drake may looked good despite the line that's good drake made to me and alex barth said this on midday
07:24and i think it's important to mention it feels like he's starting to show some signs that he might be
07:29able to elevate the team around him are their skill position players great no are they the worst in the
07:36league probably not i think this was a good week overall for the patriots because it felt like they
07:41had their down moments no doubt about it but it felt like they had their up moments too against a team
07:46that i think we all would definitively say is better than them a team that has a really good defensive
07:52coordinator that i think all of us respect here in town and brian flores they do some exotic things
07:57that vikings team won 14 games last year and it doesn't feel like the patriots got blown off the
08:02field for the full week there were moments where they lost sure is that you know a state of where
08:08they are that i'm happy that they just didn't kind of suck yeah it does say where they've been in the
08:12last few years but you know what guys i'll take it baby steps and we should acknowledge that a draw
08:18with the vikings which is what these two joint practices were that's a win for the patriots given
08:23where they are at yeah marie did you write that did you write that line down yeah what was it again
08:28that i was happy they just didn't kind of suck yeah yeah that's exactly how i feel as a patriots fan
08:34given where they've been we should be happy with that oh how far we've fallen seriously folks
08:38expect more there there's just too many examples in the nfl it it's fairly routine about 20 percent of
08:46the time and we've given you the raw data i'll give it to you again about one in five teams
08:50that finish dead last or second to dead last in the nfl so a bottom four team when you include
08:57all the ties and all that who the next year make the playoffs it happens all the time don't settle
09:04for just well we don't just kind of suck so i'm happy like that would be pathetic if that's what
09:10we're dealing with here they have really sucked though that's the thing and i have a hard time
09:14imagining them going from not just suck why not really suck everyone does it to being a playoff team
09:19everyone does it you just said one in five so actually four out of five don't my 20 plus it's
09:25like 22 percent i'll give you i'll give it to you that's a huge number i'll take the 78 percent in
09:29that regard well that's sad you're gonna settle just to be the jags go from suck to suck to suck
09:35to suck that's what i just said i don't think they're gonna be the jags this year i thought these
09:38guys i i thought the crafts were better i thought the organization was better i thought it wasn't cut
09:42above i never said that where's it gonna be where's it gonna be the browns and the bangles and these
09:46teams that just suck and suck and suck and suck and suck no i think they're better than
09:49that i think they're an eight win team i'll take that okay based on where they were at
09:53that's sniffing the playoffs and we're talking about the same thing
09:56okay
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