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00:00Good contestant Thorpe. Halliburton falls down. He looks hurt. Here comes SGA the other way. Inside and Williams throws it down. Halliburton's hurt right away when he fell.
00:15Of course that strained calf. He's in pain. So emotional. It's the right calf right away. He knew he was in trouble. Oh you get in a situation like this you're just sick to your stomach for the young man.
00:30Now back to Willard and Dibs on 95.7 The Game. Did we really need the mic on the court turned all the way up so that we're hearing Halliburton moan after all of that? Was that real? Is that what that was? Was that Halliburton moaning? That was in the highlight. I don't know who it was. That was from the highlight. A little bit of Nancy Kerrigan in that. Why? Why? So brutal. So brutal. Brutal.
00:59I mean I also you know like I hate kind of where as fans and I get it where our minds go when something like this happens and again like for me it kind of goes where we started this conversation which is you know what this is not working. I don't know if you all noticed this but this is not working. This is not a workable situation.
01:25Um and so what are we going to do about it? And the answer is probably nothing. Nothing. Because it's this right comes down to individuals and what they choose to do with their time.
01:34So there's not a whole lot that can be done about it but um if I'm the NBA I'm having at least some some conversations behind the scenes to encourage guys to do things in a different way because it would by the way I think change the load management conversation.
01:51The other thing though that happens in our brains is we start thinking about the outcome.
01:56You know what I mean? Like yeah we start thinking about the uh money that might have been on the line last night.
02:03Yep.
02:03But maybe our first thought should be like do you know how awful and I don't know Tyrese Halliburton and I'm obviously not a Pacers fan.
02:12But you're in Game 7 of the NBA Finals and you have hit three three-pointers right out of the gate.
02:19And you're in it.
02:20You're in it.
02:22You might win a ring tonight.
02:24On the road.
02:25Which teams don't do.
02:27And then you snap your fingers.
02:29Gone.
02:30And not only is that gone but so is next year.
02:34And so is potentially your 100th percent ability on the basketball court.
02:43Yeah maybe.
02:44Maybe.
02:44But nowadays like the torn Achilles is no longer a a death sentence to your career.
02:51Not a death sentence no.
02:51And it used to be that the torn ACL meant that your career was over.
02:55Yep.
02:55Back in the 80s like oh you tore up your knee and that was it.
02:59They didn't have what they have now which is like oh stitch you up and you're back in you know
03:03Adrian Peterson eight weeks crazy or whatever baby knee.
03:07But now the Achilles it's like Tommy John.
03:10Okay.
03:11Nine to 12 months.
03:12You'll be back.
03:13You'll be fine.
03:13No he'll be back.
03:14I don't know if he'll be fine but like I'm sure one of the things that must go through his head
03:20yesterday is that question like he is probably in a hospital right now sitting there wondering
03:25what does the future hold and nobody has had a better playoff run than him.
03:30Nobody raised their level of name value and play and the finances of the future and his
03:39standing nobody had a better playoff than Tyrese Halliburton and this is how it ends.
03:46Yep.
03:47And so look yeah you're not wrong there's there's in many ways there's nothing to do it's just
03:54the further we get away from this we'll all shrug our shoulders just another injury that
04:01you know bummer that's the way it went but I'm not kidding if I'm Adam Silver I'm having
04:07conversations with players with the league with agents all of it to at least provide these
04:14players with the information that seems like it's readily out there.
04:19Every social media doctor I know is all saying the exact same thing right you guys are working
04:26your bodies too hard too long year round and you have to stop or else this is what's going to happen.
04:34So what do you do if you are a 15 year old or 16 year old prodigy and you want to get to where
04:40Tyrese is NBA Finals Game 7 like how do you go about telling those people what to do and how to get
04:48better and like is it less games is it less basketball because that runs counter to what
04:54everyone's telling them at the youth level which is come play for me and we're gonna go here we'll
04:59go there we'll go there we'll go there we're gonna go to the ABCD camp we're gonna go to all these
05:04different camps and all these showcases and you know you're gonna get a scholar you're gonna get
05:09D1 full ride the whole thing so for me it's like what should happen runs counter to what actually
05:17will happen because what does happen is these kids get put out there and you know they play and they
05:24play and they play and all the rest of it you're absolutely right and yes take at least one month in
05:30the summer off see your kids take them somewhere go to a beach pack some food and just relax gosh my
05:43daughter has like two friends who took like two of her closest friends and I was like oh you you know
05:49do you want to invite them to a game or do something over the next couple oh no no they're going back
05:54east oh good what are you going for a trip back east no they're going for lacrosse oh how long will
05:59they be there the whole summer lacrosse camp what are you doing like what what why why why I don't
06:11I don't like that does does that sound fun to you that's the other thing that I wonder about I honestly
06:17think a lot of people are driven through this process and it's kind of a fear-based process there's
06:24a FOMO going on totally there is a like we cannot take July off because you're gonna fall behind yep
06:30dude if your kid is that talented August will be there for them just relax you do not need this is
06:40very generational it's and the parents that we are like we're to blame we are absolutely to blame
06:47because we have got to have something for them every damn day every hour of the day you got to be doing
06:53this you got to be doing that and I congratulate the parents at least in my network who sometimes
06:59look at their kids like don't get dressed today right it's summer just relax if you want to if
07:05you feel like listen to your body but that's not what we do because they've got to be in camp and
07:11they did this and they did that and it's just on and on and on and I'm telling you it's not doing
07:17what we think it's doing it's not helping them in the long run and and they're going to be fine
07:23if they take a month off the the colleges are not going to leave elite talent like I love this kid but
07:30he took yeah two weeks off in July yeah darn it yeah can't sign him he doesn't have that dog in him
07:36you know exactly stop yeah stop I mean it is it's very very cultural to me and it's become more than
07:43just like basketball aau it's baseball with the uh the travel ball and all stars like you're saying
07:50lacrosse you got to go to camp and you know soccer actually has been one of the first ones to do this
07:55where you know I had kids back when I was coaching high school uh girls basketball and volleyball where
08:01you know the soccer coach would say oh no you can't thank you you can't play volleyball because
08:07you have to play year-round soccer you're out so if you want to play like volleyball in the fall for
08:1212 weeks then you can't play for us on travel ball and it's like well this is like jv
08:18frosh soft girls volleyball and you're saying they can't do that uh or else they're gonna lose their
08:24spot on the soccer team it's too intense man right and so intense you know so these kids go out and
08:29they play soccer and you play year-round and you know come to find out you don't get a scholarship
08:34and you don't you don't go pro and like what did you miss out on you miss out on your actual childhood
08:39so I'm not saying that that's Tyrese Halliburton but the aau basketball thing is very much that kind
08:47of culture where no doubt you have to do it and you have to play it and it's 11 months or maybe 12 and
08:52like you grind and you know you get to a point where you're 25 and now your achilles goes out in game
08:58seven and he had a calf strain and give him credit for playing through it because when you have a
09:04calf strain you know that a calf strain you know it's a risk yeah you do likely or you know possibly
09:11can lead to that and he played through it and I mean if he could have made it like another hour and a
09:16half like maybe maybe it blows out when he's going up to get the trophy right like god you know he goes
09:23for 31 and 8 and they win it by one on a Halliburton game winner and he goes up the uh the
09:29little steps to to get the the Larry O'Brien and oh it goes out then amazing but instead it goes out
09:36in that what second quarter and it's like it's over it's over um 888-957-957 is the number George
09:43Sedano is going to join us in a few minutes he's on the broadcast love George yeah George is awesome
09:47talking out with him let's go to Jake and Moraga hi Jake thanks for calling what's up hey how's it
09:53going good man yeah it's first time calling um I been hearing it all day about you know overworking
10:02each other and all these kids you know going through rigorous schedules and whatever and maybe
10:07that's the reason causing injuries but you know I think it's I think it's more than that I think that
10:13we're not teaching enough about like physical therapy or even as simple as like rolling your
10:19body out with a lacrosse ball or a roller any of those good things I think I'm not saying like
10:25Tyrese isn't rolling out but I think rolling out in general is a great way to prevent these injuries
10:31from happening I was I played division one water polo I had injuries in high school leading up to it
10:38I went to a chiropractor and he taught me simple rolling out techniques that I had never learned
10:44you know playing youth sports growing up and I was able to fix not only my issues that I had for months
10:50but I never had those injuries again because I stayed on top of that physical therapy you know
10:56rolling out doing those little hard things after practices when you're tired I think that's where we
11:02need to be teaching the kids that we need to be teaching that and that's kind of not a it's it's a lost
11:07it's a lost thing I think yeah Jake you're you're you're probably on to something and great to hear
11:12from you thank you for calling for the first time like I I think that that's probably true at the youth
11:17level I you know once we're talking about Tyrese Halliburton and Jason Tatum and and Dan Lillard
11:24and everything I mean from what I know just following the NBA the way we do I I don't think we've ever
11:30lived in an age where guys are are more in touch with their bodies their health all the little
11:39things they can do what they eat what they do to keep their bodies ready to play are at an all all
11:45all time high but what's crazy to me is what's also at an all-time high in the name of all the things I
11:53just said you also have guys sitting out games in the middle of the year and but but but not enough
12:01in the offseason they won't take time off like did Pascal Siakam work out today because if he did I'd
12:08like to bring his neck sit down maybe not today maybe tomorrow maybe he did I don't know but like
12:16dude you know Al Pacino sit down Frank like just stop and and obviously that's like a silly thing
12:24about one guy and and one day and all of that but it but in general this is we see it all the time
12:30we see so many of these players spend all of these summer months still playing ball one of our texters
12:39sent it in this is when Klay Thompson basically rerouted his career there was already one right you
12:46already had the ACL and then you came back and not only did you do the Achilles but when did you
12:53do the Achilles in the summer you did it this week yep you did it on the morning of the draft it was
12:58draft day exactly exactly exactly yeah like I don't know man and I get that he's working his way back
13:05from injury and everything and I understand that everyone's going to be working out all the time
13:10they're professional athletes but by the same token I just think that it's hard when when you
13:17call it an overuse injury to know exactly when was the overuse it's all of it it's all of it you
13:24just need it's cumulative you need a new structure I don't know if uh if this changes your opinion that
13:292020 NBA draft when Klay tore his Achilles was in November because of COVID whenever it was like it
13:34was the offseason it was it right or was it actually during it was a very soon that that was a very
13:40short offseason it was yes but it was his offseason and he was it was a non-warrior sanctioned practice
13:45correct yeah I mean all these look it's all to me it's all the same it doesn't even it's like when
13:51did it happen is not necessarily even the issue the issue is the fact that for 17 years running you've
13:59essentially never taken two or three weeks off and I'm not even saying don't work out go do
14:04something different right go hike ride a bike you know go play a different sport you know again that's
14:12what his dad used to do he said I would go play tennis for for two and a half months right and I
14:17do think about uh Steph Curry and maybe we can get uh his trainer Brendan Payne on here sometime this
14:22month or you know next week or whatever but you know Steph Curry in the offseason he doesn't play a lot
14:28of basketball he plays golf and he does his training where it's like you know cover one eye
14:34and here's a tennis ball and a racquetball and a golf ball and let's juggle and all the rest of it it's
14:39like non-basketball related training where you know you get your mind into a certain spot you get your
14:46skills your hand eye whatever there's other ways to do it and I know he's older now so he can do that
14:51but you know you look at Tyrese Halliburton and you know he's 25 and how many summers in his life has
14:58he not played basketball probably not many yeah probably no not since he was like six right so I
15:05mean you come up and you know you've got skills and now you're going to play AAU and you're going
15:10to play all the time in high school and then summer league and then spring ball whatever it is and so
15:15you start to to get into that spot and I wonder about the human body and how many miles you have
15:23as a basketball player before your your Achilles blows out 888-957-9570 Marco in Napa is next up
15:31hi Marco thanks for calling uh yeah I just think um recently a lot of uh coaches they have certain
15:38expectations that they want these players to just hold up to fighting through injury and just like
15:44wanting you to play through injury I tore my ACL my senior year of high school playing football
15:48and I had a hamstring injury and a calf injury and my coaches just told me oh you play through it
15:52play through it and I ended up tearing my ACL and I feel like that there's a certain expectation where
15:57you trust your coaches to tell you to do the right thing and sometimes you just have to listen to
16:01yourself and sit out and rest to heal up I think that's a great point Marco in fact I know I saw
16:09uh Marco thanks I saw some former NBA players last night saying that this is on the Pacers
16:15and I don't necessarily think that's fair and I don't know the story of how the conversations went
16:20but um it's the same people if that's their opinion they think that the Kevin Durant thing
16:25was on the Warriors like they're like you have to know like of course these players are going to try
16:31to play of course they're going to try to win a championship it's all they think about but that
16:37training staff should know that they have to tell them no you you can't play
16:43you
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