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00:00:00 and sell Gibbs with a news update. It turns out the People's National Movement's candidate has won
00:00:07 the Arima Northeast Electoral District in the local government elections. The Elections and
00:00:14 Boundaries Commission says a check on Thursday found the PNM's Kim Garcia got two additional
00:00:21 votes for a total of 625 votes while the UNC's Jarsino Rigsby got 624 votes. Caribbean Airlines
00:00:33 says from today there'll be a portal on its website for customers impacted by recent flight
00:00:39 disruptions to submit claims for refunds. Once people have been affected and they would like a
00:00:48 refund, they will be granted a refund. If they've incurred specific costs, we will absolutely examine
00:00:53 it and look to support that in that regard. We are also providing credits to all passengers affected.
00:00:59 And in the weather forecast, generally hot and sunny conditions will be interrupted at times by
00:01:07 a few light to moderate showers and the low chance of an isolated heavy shower or thunderstorm
00:01:14 favoring northern Trinidad and isolated areas in Tobago. Gusts and localized street flooding are
00:01:21 possible near heavy downpours. Meanwhile, marine interests can expect waves approaching 1.2 meters
00:01:28 in open waters yet near calm in sheltered areas. Whether you're a caregiver or taking care of your
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00:01:47 Pennywise and leading outlets. Call MHSL at 640-2436. Visit www.mhsltt.com. Come out and
00:01:55 support your community as the Prime Minister's West Village Trophy Competition concludes with
00:01:59 three major events. First, pageant hopefuls grace the stage in the LaRenrie Bay Self-Expression and
00:02:05 Talent Final at Sapa on Saturday, 19th August. The action starts at 6 p.m. Then on Saturday,
00:02:11 9th September at 9 a.m., community athletes will take to the field at the Haisley Crawford Stadium
00:02:16 in the finals of the exciting Village Olympics Competition. And on Saturday, 26th August at
00:02:21 Napa from 6 p.m., it's time for La Grande's Affair where the overall winners will claim their titles.
00:02:27 All events are free with tickets available at the door. So come out and support your community
00:02:32 in the Prime Minister's West Village Trophy Competition celebrating 60 years.
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00:03:14 Hello, very good morning Trinidad and Tobago. Welcome to The Morning Edition. I'm Urvashi
00:03:20 Tiwari-Rubnerine. It's my pleasure to be joining you this morning and thank you so much for
00:03:25 choosing us to take you through your morning and to really just kick off your day. It's the 25th of
00:03:32 August 2023. I was going to say it's Friday. Of course, it's the last Friday before school opens.
00:03:38 What will you be doing? What are you doing? How will you be spending it? Are you going to grab
00:03:43 those last minute items for the kids before they head back out to school or are you probably going
00:03:48 to take them to the river or the beach? Just let them enjoy those last few days of the vacation.
00:03:55 You know, the August vacation is something as children that we all look forward to. Well,
00:04:00 as is customary, we like to tell you what's happening in Trinidad and Tobago and for that,
00:04:05 we go straight to the front pages of the Express newspaper, Pilot's Checkout. It cost Caribbean
00:04:14 Airlines some $15 million and that of course is in from CEO, Garvin Madero, as he spoke to the
00:04:22 media yesterday at the Piaco International Airport. That story there by Anna Ramdas.
00:04:29 Caribbean Airlines will have a great story to tell for 2023 as it is on track to record a profit
00:04:37 despite a $15 million loss incurred from the sick out action by pilots. And that's of course
00:04:44 according to the chief executive officer, Garvin Madero. Of course, he spoke at that
00:04:49 news conference yesterday. He disclosed that Cal met with the Trinidad and Tobago Airline
00:04:54 Pilots Association on Monday night and both sides are committed to ensuring such an incident does
00:05:00 not happen again. And they of course working towards achieving an amicable solution. So we'll
00:05:06 be talking a little bit more about this sick out during our first segment. We'll be joined by
00:05:12 Ramesh Lachmadial. He's of course, retired director general of the Civil Aviation Authority.
00:05:19 Heading back to the front page, robbery in motion. It's a gold band attack.
00:05:24 A sign of the times that we live in here in Trinidad and Tobago. A man
00:05:28 in short black pants attempts to rob another of his gold wristband near a line of double stand.
00:05:34 And that's along the Brian Laura Promenade yesterday. Heart of the city, in the city itself
00:05:41 and just meters away from the center of the TTPS is headquarters. To tell you what's happening in
00:05:50 sport, we go to the back page. It's a medal hunt. Kishon Walcott opens his bid today for the one
00:05:58 major medal that has so far eluded his grasp. Walcott has been drawn in group A of the World
00:06:05 Athletics Championship Men's Javelin Qualifying Competition in Budapest, Hungary. The event
00:06:12 started at 4.10 a.m. TT time. So I'm supposing when James joins us later, even though he'll
00:06:20 be talking about CPL, he'll be able to bring you a quick update on that situation. So of course,
00:06:25 head out to your newsstands, grab your copy of the Express newspaper or log on to www.trinidadexpress.com.
00:06:34 It's time to remind you of our Trinbago Unice feature to participate. It's very, very easy.
00:06:39 By now, you know that number by heart. WhatsApp your videos and images to the number 737-3778
00:06:46 sharing, you know, whatever you think is positive about Trinidad and Tobago. This morning, we share
00:06:53 with you a positive quote. Don't miss out on something great just because it could be difficult.
00:07:00 Just face your challenges and take them on. Of course, we'll be right back after the break.
00:07:05 Stay with us. We'll be talking with Romesh Lachmanial and we'll be analyzing the Cal situation.
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00:07:59 expert care for your eyes. The communal spirit of the Best Village Competition flourished under
00:08:06 the direction of the late coordinator, Joyce Wong-Sang. During her tenure from 1963 to 1986,
00:08:13 she established a rapport with performers, ensuring that they had all they needed to give their best
00:08:19 showing. Recognizing that the Best Village Competition also needed community support,
00:08:24 Wong-Sang introduced free supporters buses. These were sent into the villages on performance days,
00:08:30 ensuring that anyone interested in seeing their community group in action was able to do so. Her
00:08:36 relationship with performers and community members set the standard for future Best Village officers,
00:08:42 who have taken up the mantle working with community groups, organizing events, and fostering
00:08:47 a culture of collective effort to ensure success. As we enter the 60th year of the Prime Minister's
00:08:53 Best Village Trophy Competition, the spirit of community remains the heart of the experience.
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00:09:12 If you miss a line on the track, you could die.
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00:09:44 Welcome back to Trinidad and Tobago. Of course, this morning we are discussing the unfolding
00:09:48 situation. A situation which continues to plague travelers in Trinidad and Tobago and abroad. It's
00:09:55 at Caribbean Airlines and the pilots, a matter which is now seen. Cal, head to court taking
00:10:02 action against pilots. Joining us today to give us his perspective on the matter is Mr. Ramesh
00:10:08 Lachmendial. He's of course retired Director General of the Civil Aviation Authority. A very
00:10:13 good morning to you, Mr. Lachmendial, and thank you so much for joining us.
00:10:18 Good morning.
00:10:19 Of course, Mr. Lachmendial, you're very familiar with the airline industry and so on. Your thoughts,
00:10:26 let's start off with the outstanding negotiations. Your thoughts on the fact that the negotiations
00:10:32 are outstanding. People have been touting the salaries of pilots, at least on social media,
00:10:40 and in your perspective, are the pilots receiving what is industry standard? And just generally,
00:10:52 your thoughts on the negotiation process.
00:10:54 Generally, pilot salaries are based on industry standards and it has to do with also,
00:11:04 practically, the cost of living. And I'm aware that the pilot salaries today are not worth the
00:11:12 same as 20 years ago because of a number of factors. The fact that Caribbean Airlines
00:11:17 would never really made a profit. And therefore, as I said on another media, that one of the key
00:11:25 factors in any type of salary negotiations is the ability of the employer to pay. And so far,
00:11:32 the taxpayers of Rondebygo have been supporting Caribbean Airlines. And while the pilots do deserve
00:11:39 meaningful and realistic salary at the end of the day, it has to be in line with what the airline
00:11:47 can afford. In line with what the airline can afford. Well, of course, we've seen Cal
00:11:53 expend, according to the Chief Executive Officer, Gavin Madeira, some $15 million
00:12:00 just to contract airplanes, pay claims, refunds, and provide credit to affected customers.
00:12:07 When we offset this $15 million against what would probably be an increase for pilots,
00:12:16 did it really make sense? Should the airline have negotiated with the pilots,
00:12:21 paid them their increase and not have to expend this $15 million?
00:12:27 Well, at the end of the day, a salary increase is something that continues. But I have some
00:12:32 concerns about what happened. And I'm a firm believer in the rule of law. I believe in
00:12:37 collective bargaining. I believe in diplomacy. I believe in negotiations. And something
00:12:43 drastically went wrong during the negotiations that caused the impasse. And it is important
00:12:51 that whatever happened be thoroughly investigated to ensure that there's no reoccurrence of it.
00:12:57 Something went wrong. Because there are a lot of people who have misconceptions about the job of
00:13:01 a pilot. The airline industry, in the first instance, is because of its nature, an aircraft
00:13:09 flies seven miles up in the sky, sometimes for 15, 16, 17 hours. In the case of the airlines
00:13:16 aircraft, a flight from Toronto is approximately, to put a spin, is five and a half hours. And the
00:13:21 aircraft is flying at seven miles up in the sky. And the pilots are highly trained individuals
00:13:28 whose job function is to operate the aircraft safely, but more importantly, to be able to deal
00:13:35 with any type of in-flight emergencies where the reaction time is critical. So therefore,
00:13:42 we must have happy pilots. And when a pilot is not happy and he goes through emotional stress,
00:13:47 it contributes to fatigue. And fatigue is a number one contributor to pilot errors.
00:13:53 We don't want that to happen. So that we have to talk and we have to keep on.
00:13:58 But you cannot, and I say this very definitely, you cannot compare the airline industry,
00:14:09 which is highly safety sensitive, to the software industry. There can be no comparison.
00:14:14 And even the vagrant in Woodford Square knows that you cannot liken the job of a pilot without
00:14:20 a supporting ground operator. You cannot. You have to understand the job of a pilot.
00:14:25 And as I said before, wage demands have to be affordable. And therefore, there has to be
00:14:31 dialogue. And there are many other options in collective bargaining. One of them would be
00:14:36 to offer employees shares in the airline. In 1995, when we negotiated the privatization of
00:14:44 BWA with the AACRA group, the employees got 15% shares in the company, with a further 10%
00:14:53 from an employee sub-ownership plan. And they had a say in the governance of the airline,
00:14:58 where they had two directors on the board. So there are other alternatives to
00:15:06 wage negotiations where you can give the employees non-cash benefits. You have to be
00:15:12 creative and people have to understand the airline industry. There has to be a thorough
00:15:17 understanding of the airline industry. Things like human factors, you know, the things that
00:15:22 affect the performance of a pilot. And I'm concerned as an independent aviation safety
00:15:29 professional about the safety of the private and public. That's my primary concern. All my life,
00:15:34 my working life has been in the aviation industry and in promoting safety. And if there are things
00:15:41 that are happening that can compromise safety, I have a responsibility to comment on it. I have
00:15:46 no authority to instruct anybody what to do. But certainly, as a professional of long standing,
00:15:52 as a regulator of long standing, I have a responsibility to comment so that people can
00:15:57 listen. Now, Mr. Lachmendial, leading to the pilots, them being disgruntled would be operations
00:16:07 of CAL, not specifically technical operations, but for instance, the Welcome Home campaign.
00:16:14 It was a campaign where millions of dollars was expended for advertising during the carnival
00:16:21 season. So employees have been looking at money spent in this regard and asking themselves, you
00:16:27 know, why couldn't we come to the negotiating table and give us an increase if you have money
00:16:35 to spend in this regard? Is that a fair argument? No, I don't think so, because an airline has to
00:16:42 be able to advertise its product. Now, there are a couple of things that people don't understand.
00:16:46 The airline product is a very perishable product, so that it costs money to produce an airline seat.
00:16:53 So on a flight from here to New York, every single seat costs money. And if that seat is not sold,
00:16:59 then that seat becomes perishable. You cannot sell it the next day. It's not like a loaf of bread,
00:17:04 but if it's not sold today, sell it tomorrow. So that at the end of the day, the airline has to
00:17:10 be able to advertise its product to be competitive and to be able to generate revenue. So that
00:17:16 advertising is a key component of an airline marketing strategy. Airlines must advertise.
00:17:24 Every single airline will advertise. And we have to target our advertising to the market.
00:17:31 Whereas we know, Mr. Lachmedia, that Cal did rationalize some of their routes, we see them
00:17:37 opening some routes. We understand that a route to Curacao was due to be opened. Is there a need
00:17:45 now for Cal to look at that, and as it relates to its profitability, to come back and look at
00:17:51 its routes all over again? Well, definitely no airline wants to operate a route in which they
00:17:58 are going to lose money. So you have to do, and Cal, I know they have a group there, an analytics
00:18:03 group that is doing ongoing market research to determine what routes have the potential to
00:18:09 generate a profit. And therefore, with the advice of the Air Canada and WestJet,
00:18:14 there are tremendous opportunities for Cal to enter those markets which they have,
00:18:19 and they have expanded their fleet, which again is intended to generate additional revenues to
00:18:26 be able to become self-sufficient and profitable. And I think that Cal, as I said before,
00:18:31 is on the cusp of achieving profitability, which will benefit everybody, all the employees,
00:18:35 the pilots, the mechanics, the ground staff, everybody will benefit from the profitability.
00:18:43 But at the end of the day, I can't help but go back to what went wrong. And I'm happy to see
00:18:48 that the Minister of Labour is now intervening because something went wrong, which the parties
00:18:54 are aware of what went wrong. And we cannot have people making, you know, statements which I think
00:19:00 would be implementary to add fuel to fire. And the people who are involved in the negotiations,
00:19:06 as I said before, I'm not aware of their competencies in aviation, especially in
00:19:13 industrial aviation matters, as it relates to the working conditions of pilots.
00:19:18 Would you be referring to Mr. Lachmadial, the Energy Minister and Minister in the Office of
00:19:23 the Prime Minister's State Grant, where he called? No, no, no, I'm so proud of him.
00:19:26 What do you think about that in any event, seeing that pilots are entitled and it was an ungrateful
00:19:32 act? Well, I don't agree with the Honourable Minister and what he said, but as a Cabinet
00:19:40 Minister, he's probably privy to the information that I am not privy to. And therefore, what I know
00:19:47 is that he's saying in relation to coal not being an absolute necessity. I agree with him. I wouldn't
00:19:54 go on and say that the pilots are ungrateful because at the end of the day, the taxpayers
00:20:00 have been supporting coal to the tune of billions of dollars, which the corporations who will be
00:20:06 inside will have seen that coal is not an absolute necessity. We can divert those resources to other
00:20:14 areas of national life that are wanting for funds like the health care system, the education system,
00:20:19 you know. But coal is indeed an icon of national pride, you know, and I would say, as I've said
00:20:26 before, that Carl's airmanship is second to none. Carl and his predecessor BWI has one of the most
00:20:33 enviable safety record. There has never been a fatality. There have been accidents, but no
00:20:37 fatality. And we must do everything possible to be able to preserve the highest levels of safety
00:20:45 in the operations of the airline. Now, Mr. Clutch-Millial, the sick-out action,
00:20:54 well, we're calling it sick-out action. Of course, the association and the pilots deny
00:21:00 that this is any form of industrial action, but the fact remains that pilots did call out sick.
00:21:05 The fact that they are essential workers, that it is deemed unlawful, how do people in that
00:21:13 situation express their disgruntlement or their disappointment with negotiations?
00:21:21 Well, because industrial action in the aviation industry is outlawed and is illegal, therefore,
00:21:28 the only way would be through dialogue and diplomacy. And the pilots have access to people
00:21:34 who are holders of high office, and the pilots union in particular, and the individual pilots,
00:21:40 and they can, and they do have access to these people, and they can communicate with them and
00:21:44 get intervention at a higher level. It's leaning out to the way here in the minister, and I'm very
00:21:49 happy about that, that the minister of labour is involved in continuity talks, which have happened
00:21:55 before. But you see, at the end of the day, you have to go back to the root cause. What is the
00:22:00 root cause that caused the impasse and that caused that high level of sick leave call-ins by the
00:22:08 pilots? We need to find out that. If we don't find out what is causing symptoms, then you'll never be
00:22:16 able to solve the problem. And something went wrong, and it has to do with negotiating good
00:22:23 feet. It has to do with the use of inflammatory language, right? That may have offended the pilots.
00:22:31 In that case, is it further offensive that the airline appears to be calling doctors to verify
00:22:41 if they did in fact see those pilots and if they were in fact ill, and that the CEO is saying the
00:22:49 doctors who issued sick leave may be called to court? Is that further infuriating or adding fuel
00:22:56 to the fire, as you mentioned before? Well, it's an offence under the law,
00:23:02 especially the institution says that a pilot cannot, sorry, a medical doctor cannot issue a
00:23:08 full certificate and it's a penalty for that in law. And I am not in any way qualified to
00:23:14 question the medical competence of a doctor who issues a medical certificate. What I can tell you,
00:23:21 and as I said, I have to be very fair in my comments, that a pilot, for example, who has
00:23:28 a serious emotional issue has a duty to report on fit to fly, because you cannot have a pilot
00:23:35 who is on the way to emotional stress, flying an aircraft during a phase of his circadian rhythm
00:23:42 that can contribute to fatigue. Once a pilot becomes fatigued, it's not safe because it slows
00:23:50 down his reaction time should there be an in-flight emergency. But at the end of the day,
00:23:56 as I said, I am not qualified and I think that Carl should focus his efforts on trying to resolve
00:24:04 this issue rather than engage in action that appears to be, some of the pilots are saying that
00:24:11 it complements engaging in headhunting. And that's not healthy for the airline. That's not healthy
00:24:17 for the safety of the operations because you don't want us, Martin George said yesterday,
00:24:24 I want to know when I'm flying that in the cockpit I have pilots who are happy, not unhappy pilots.
00:24:32 That is not healthy. So if Carl, in my view, I have no authority whatsoever to instruct Carl or
00:24:40 Talpa what to do, but I will not focus my energies on trying to call doctors and question their
00:24:48 medical competence and so on. If that's what's been done, I will focus my energies in trying
00:24:53 to resolve this impasse in the interest of the traveling public, the passengers who are traveling
00:25:03 on Carl and who want to know that when the body aircraft is being operated by pilots,
00:25:09 whose competencies cannot be called into question because of emotional stress.
00:25:14 Mr. Lachmanial, we read in the newspaper yesterday that a 7.5% offer to the pilots
00:25:23 was rejected. Your thoughts on this? Was it a fair offer?
00:25:29 Well, again, it depends on the employers that are willing to pay. And what I can tell you is I said
00:25:36 earlier in the conversation, I recall in the early days when I was working at BWI, the pilots
00:25:41 would say, look how much money a captain and a co-pilot of his office is getting with their
00:25:48 friends, right? And normally it was a lot more than what the pilots were getting here.
00:25:53 But then you have to apply what is called the PPP principle, purchasing power parity, you know,
00:26:02 so that normally salaries are paid against the cost of living. And clearly the cost of living
00:26:08 in France is a lot higher than the cost of being here. I mean, if you know anything about the
00:26:13 French economy and the government in France, in the same way a cook, a can of coke in the United
00:26:19 States costs a lot more than a can of coke here. So it has to be paid to that so that when pilots
00:26:24 are making a comparison with what other pilots are getting in another jurisdiction, it has to
00:26:31 be balanced, it has to be fair. And normally the same thing I have to do with air traffic controllers,
00:26:36 they will tell me, well, an air traffic controller with the ratings that I have gets twice my salary
00:26:42 in US dollars in the US. But then again, that argument was not strong because again of the
00:26:50 purchasing power parity principle and the fact that the cost of living here is not as,
00:26:55 is different to what happens in the US. Mr. Lachmendial, we just have about 10 seconds
00:27:00 again, but I'd just like to close on the question to you. How would you have handled this situation
00:27:06 yourself? I would have handled it with tact and diplomacy and use arbitration resources.
00:27:15 Rather than resort to action that cause an impasse, I would have used arbitration resources
00:27:24 and an arbitrator who is very competent in the field of aviation and airline industrial
00:27:33 negotiations. And there are people around who have that competencies. There's a former
00:27:38 CEO of Caribbean Airlines who was an attorney at law, who was an airline captain, who was a
00:27:41 former chairman of Talpa, and he's very competent in these matters. And he would have been a very
00:27:48 good arbitrator. But at the end of the day, I am only a commentator. I cannot instruct anybody to
00:27:56 do anything. I have no authority whatsoever. Mr. Lachmendial, well, let me thank you so much
00:28:01 for sharing your views with us. Even as you say, just as a commentator, they were very valuable,
00:28:06 and we really do appreciate you giving us some of your time. So all the best to you. And just a
00:28:11 little thing I have to agree with you with, you talked about BeeWee, you talked about the airline
00:28:16 industry being the pride of Trinidad and Tobago and the Caribbean. And my dad was a pilot, my mom
00:28:22 was a purser, my uncles were pilots as well. So I do agree with you, BeeWee, in fact, those days
00:28:27 were in fact the glory days of the airline industry. And I really do hope that Cal takes
00:28:32 us back there. Let me thank you so much again. And I want to end by saying one thing. Again,
00:28:36 re-adjust, you cannot liken the airline industry to the surfing industry. And a pilot can be like
00:28:43 a bottle implant operator. That's an insult. Thank you very much again, Mr. Lachmendial.
00:28:50 All the best to you. Thank you. Well, to our viewers, we're going to take a quick break.
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00:31:04 - Welcome back Trinidad and Tobago.
00:31:05 We're just gonna skip ahead of World Alzheimer's Month
00:31:08 and we'll be chatting with the newly appointed chairman
00:31:11 of the Private Pharmacy Business Association
00:31:14 and pharmacist Glenwyn Suchet
00:31:16 and trustee of the association Ricardo Mohamed.
00:31:20 They'll be telling us about this new body
00:31:22 and of course their plans going forward.
00:31:25 A very good morning to you.
00:31:27 - Good morning.
00:31:27 - So Ricardo Mohamed, I take it Mr. Suchet
00:31:30 may probably be running late,
00:31:32 so we'll just have to go ahead with you.
00:31:34 I hope you don't mind.
00:31:35 - Sure, no problem.
00:31:37 - Alrighty, so let's talk about this new association,
00:31:41 the Private Pharmacy Business Association.
00:31:44 What is it really and why was it established?
00:31:47 - Okay, so thank you Morbyshe and good morning
00:31:51 to your viewers.
00:31:53 So the Private Pharmacy Business Association
00:31:55 was developed for many reasons.
00:31:57 As time has gone by, many times in the past,
00:32:02 retail pharmacy businesses and many pharmacists
00:32:07 within the retail sector,
00:32:09 we felt that we needed to have some sort of representation
00:32:12 in terms of a business organization
00:32:15 that will currently seek our interests
00:32:17 for where we deal with the retail sector
00:32:21 as well as the distribution sector within Trinidad and Tobago
00:32:26 from a private sector standpoint.
00:32:28 There are many different fraternities.
00:32:31 Now we do have a pharmacy board and a pharmacy society
00:32:35 which would deal with a lot more of the laws
00:32:38 regarding pharmacy practice, et cetera.
00:32:41 But we are at a point in time now
00:32:43 where we need to have some sort of representation
00:32:47 from the retail sector, from the private sector
00:32:49 to lobby for different activities
00:32:54 and for the wellbeing and the function
00:32:59 in our pharmacies within the light of recent
00:33:03 developments within this sector.
00:33:07 - Well, some good news, Mr. Mohamed.
00:33:11 Like a magician, Mr. Suchet has arrived on set.
00:33:16 So very good morning to you.
00:33:18 Mr. Suchet, I just posed the question to Mr. Mohamed,
00:33:23 what exactly is the Private Pharmacy Business Association?
00:33:26 I'm pretty sure you took in some of his response.
00:33:28 Is there anything you'd like to add?
00:33:30 - Not really, good morning.
00:33:32 - Morning.
00:33:33 - The Private Pharmacy Association
00:33:35 has been established very recently
00:33:38 and it has come to fruition primarily
00:33:42 because of the need for a collective approach
00:33:47 and a need for a collective body
00:33:50 to address the situation of pharmacies,
00:33:54 to work in conjunction with the Pharmacy Council
00:33:56 of Trinidad and Tobago,
00:33:58 to work with the Chemistry Food and Drug Division
00:34:00 to get food and drugs a bit more streamlined,
00:34:03 to lobby generally to get the respect and admiration
00:34:07 for pharmacists in this country back.
00:34:09 Recently in the public forum, we have been insulted,
00:34:14 we have been humiliated and pharmacists are professionals.
00:34:19 We are university trained, we are medical professionals
00:34:22 and it's very demeaning for people to come and treat us
00:34:25 in the manner which they have been treating us.
00:34:28 - Now, of course, Mr. Suchet, there is a pharmacy board.
00:34:31 Of course, their mandate will be a little bit different
00:34:34 from your association, but is it that you think
00:34:36 that they were not lobbying enough for pharmacists?
00:34:40 - In our manner of speaking, yes,
00:34:42 thankfully for the last 11 years with previous leadership
00:34:46 that we have had at the helm of the Pharmacy Council
00:34:49 to represent pharmacists in this country,
00:34:51 it was non-existent.
00:34:53 There are certain matters being pursued right now
00:34:57 through the courts which I would not be able to comment on,
00:35:00 but we have had a new council instituted
00:35:04 in April, May of this year.
00:35:06 And this council has been tasked with a tremendous job.
00:35:11 And this job at present cannot focus
00:35:15 on the retail part of the industry.
00:35:17 They need to get more focus on the logistics,
00:35:22 the laws, the antiquated laws.
00:35:24 We have been waiting since 1962 for the government
00:35:28 to be a little more active in providing us
00:35:32 with the support and legislation to get things changed.
00:35:35 It's very antiquated and leadership previously
00:35:38 was not interested in that.
00:35:40 So now the Pharmacy Retail Association
00:35:43 is going to work in conjunction with the Pharmacy Board
00:35:47 to present legislation, to make improvements,
00:35:50 to make changes and to try to get the government
00:35:52 to act and not talk.
00:35:55 We are seeing pharmacists being raided,
00:35:59 literally raided with search warrant, police officers.
00:36:04 And this is not called for.
00:36:05 We can't have dialogue.
00:36:07 In fact, the current council of the Pharmacy Board
00:36:10 is comprised of the minister, two appointees to the council.
00:36:15 And they are doing a tremendous job so far.
00:36:18 - So Mr. Suchet, you would have said a little earlier
00:36:22 that pharmacists have been insulted,
00:36:24 they have been degraded.
00:36:25 What exactly are you referring to?
00:36:28 - I am referring primarily to the publicizing
00:36:32 in the newspaper, the media,
00:36:35 and the manner in which the minister of health
00:36:37 has instructed the Food and Drug Division
00:36:40 or Chemistry Food and Drug Division
00:36:42 to get search warrants, go to police for unregistered,
00:36:46 unethical, parallel drugs imports,
00:36:49 and give the perception and the impression
00:36:52 that we are drug dealers basically.
00:36:55 And we are not seeking the interests
00:36:56 of the public in this country.
00:36:58 - But the release sent out by the ministry,
00:37:03 which I did have sight of,
00:37:05 they made it look like they were doing their due.
00:37:10 It said that more crackdowns will be against
00:37:13 unethical pharmacists, those selling expired drugs
00:37:16 as it is to the detriment of the health of the population
00:37:20 and so on, unapproved drugs.
00:37:22 - Quite true.
00:37:25 And I'm glad you brought it across in that manner
00:37:27 because yes, the minister is within his legal right.
00:37:33 The manner in which he's doing it was not necessary.
00:37:36 He could have instructed his two appointees
00:37:39 who are the president and secretary of the pharmacy board
00:37:42 to work alongside and turn them to go to pharmacies
00:37:45 and think they are inspectors and think
00:37:48 that could be sent out in a proper and decent manner.
00:37:52 The unregistered drugs,
00:37:54 emergency that you have probably been using
00:37:56 is an unregistered drug.
00:37:58 So when you hear he sees an unregistered drugs
00:38:01 of $500,000 in goods at pharmacies,
00:38:04 40 pharmacies nationwide.
00:38:06 You think, oh geez, these people want to kill us?
00:38:08 What is Advil, Aleve, Strepsils, Emergency,
00:38:13 basic times that we are accustomed using have been seized
00:38:18 and they have been brought in into the country
00:38:20 by the smaller traders, we're calling them suitcase traders,
00:38:24 affecting the business of the bigger traders.
00:38:27 Maybe I could give you an example of the current situation
00:38:30 and ask the minister if he could investigate this.
00:38:32 Over the last three days,
00:38:33 the largest pharmaceutical company in this country
00:38:36 have brought in a product that ended up
00:38:39 on the pharmacy shelves and that is not our fault.
00:38:42 We are not the legislature to monitor the importers,
00:38:47 the distributors, customs, food and drugs.
00:38:49 They need beefing up, they need staffing
00:38:52 and these are the things that need to be done.
00:38:54 - Mr. Muhammad, you're still on the line with us.
00:38:55 Don't want our viewers to forget that you're still here.
00:38:58 Have you been visited by the Ministry of Health?
00:39:03 - Yes, I did have an inspection a couple months ago.
00:39:06 I tried to practice in every way that is possibly right.
00:39:11 I didn't have any issues at that point in time.
00:39:14 The man in which he came by me was,
00:39:16 at this point I'm pretty okay and professional,
00:39:19 but there are many circumstances where I have colleagues
00:39:24 who would have had a totally different experience.
00:39:27 Listen, we have to look at the broader picture here.
00:39:30 We are currently experiencing significant shortages
00:39:33 of pharmaceuticals in Trinidad and Tobago,
00:39:36 especially since post-pandemic
00:39:39 and it's a major concern for a lot of us.
00:39:41 Now, we do have the process
00:39:44 in which drugs are supposed to be registered
00:39:46 and I wanna touch on that.
00:39:48 Chemistry, food and drugs in my mind
00:39:50 and based on the information that has been provided to us
00:39:54 by hundreds of pharmacists within the private sector,
00:39:58 one, we have an issue with getting drugs.
00:40:00 If I decided that I wanted to apply for a certain drug
00:40:05 and have it registered here in Trinidad and Tobago
00:40:08 and Mr. Suchet decides that he wants to register
00:40:10 something similar, when we go to chemistry, food and drugs,
00:40:13 we are being told different things.
00:40:14 We are being asked for different requirements.
00:40:17 They do not have a printed out list.
00:40:21 We think that a standardization of a list of requirements
00:40:25 should be sent out so that when we decide
00:40:27 we want to import something
00:40:28 and bring it through the correct channels,
00:40:30 we don't have to wait years and this is correct.
00:40:35 Some instances, we have to wait years
00:40:37 or maybe months in terms of 12 plus months,
00:40:40 eight plus months as a small person
00:40:43 trying to bring in a product
00:40:46 to have it registered for sale on our shelves.
00:40:48 No, not withstanding that,
00:40:51 we have to start asking the questions
00:40:53 because we don't know which labs
00:40:54 are currently doing the testing as they say.
00:40:57 We are unaware of the staffing of these labs,
00:40:59 the capacity of these labs,
00:41:01 the technical expertise of these labs.
00:41:04 We are unaware of the amount of staff that they have,
00:41:07 how many pharmacists are employed
00:41:09 and to our knowledge, we don't think any pharmacist
00:41:11 is currently employed at chemistry, food and drugs.
00:41:13 They tend to outsource pharmacists
00:41:16 to do proofreadings and so on.
00:41:18 So there are many different aspects you have to look at
00:41:21 with the registering of a drug.
00:41:22 No, all pharmacists, the majority of us,
00:41:25 I'm not saying that they are not one or two bad apples
00:41:27 within the set, which we look forward to the ministry
00:41:30 doing what they have to do
00:41:31 and seizing what they have to seize.
00:41:33 But you also have to give us a fair fighting chance
00:41:37 that for example, a small distributor
00:41:39 who comes to register a drug,
00:41:40 his process has taken months or probably a year plus
00:41:44 and then you have some of the big distributors
00:41:46 who can get their stuff registered
00:41:48 in a matter of two months to three months
00:41:50 and we have to ask ourselves,
00:41:51 well, why is this practice taking place
00:41:54 whereby it is easier for some in the industry
00:41:57 and then some of us who are really trying hard
00:41:59 to help the people of Toronto,
00:42:01 they go 99.9% of all the pharmacists in Toronto,
00:42:04 they go and you would have had pharmacy experiences.
00:42:08 People who generally help this public,
00:42:10 we went through a pandemic where if it wasn't for pharmacists
00:42:13 being there, being able to be our first responders
00:42:17 to take the load, come to work in a situation
00:42:20 where we were scared, we had no previous knowledge
00:42:23 of what was going on with COVID-19,
00:42:25 we stood the fort, we helped society
00:42:28 and a lot of the things that help people
00:42:30 and as Mr. Wainer pointed out, emergency, Advil,
00:42:34 all right, we do understand there are laws
00:42:36 and there are certain stipulation,
00:42:39 but for example, chemistry, food and drugs
00:42:41 need to look at basic things.
00:42:43 OTC items, basic things like Advil and emergency and so on,
00:42:48 the registration process of those drugs should be different
00:42:52 with regards to let's say a dispensary item
00:42:55 and the stringent processes that have to go through
00:42:58 registering those products.
00:43:00 So we are here to help.
00:43:00 - Now, Mr. Mohammed, I'm gonna have to bring
00:43:02 Mr. Suchet in here.
00:43:04 We're running a little short on time,
00:43:05 we have a very packed show today,
00:43:07 but are there any other issues affecting pharmacists?
00:43:10 - We would like fair play across the board,
00:43:12 not selective discriminatory practices.
00:43:15 The pharmacies that have been targeted
00:43:18 are totally different to a group of pharmacies
00:43:22 or special pharmacies that are not being targeted.
00:43:27 You can find, for example, CBD oil
00:43:29 being seized in regular pharmacies,
00:43:31 but there's a selective group of pharmacies
00:43:34 allowed to carry anything
00:43:36 and this is really, really not right.
00:43:38 You know, we'd like fair trade, we want fair practices,
00:43:41 we want fair legislation, we want prompt legislation.
00:43:45 We want action, less talk instead of attacks.
00:43:50 - And of course you're looking to build membership,
00:43:52 so what is your call?
00:43:54 - Our call is, well, currently in a matter of a week,
00:43:57 we have had significant,
00:43:59 practically most of the pharmacies lobbying
00:44:01 because we all feel the same way.
00:44:03 And this is not an attack on the politicians,
00:44:06 it is look for your support and cooperation
00:44:09 to make things better.
00:44:10 - So Mr. Glenn Suchet, pharmacist,
00:44:12 and of course Ricardo Mohamed,
00:44:14 trustee with the newly established
00:44:16 Private Pharmacy Business Association.
00:44:18 Let me thank you both for joining us
00:44:19 and wish you all the best with this new association.
00:44:22 We look forward to having you on at another point in time.
00:44:26 - Thank you very much.
00:44:27 - All the best.
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00:47:10 Well, Alzheimer's month is in September
00:47:13 and it's almost upon us.
00:47:15 The Alzheimer's Association joins us
00:47:17 to tell us more about their plans for this Alzheimer's month.
00:47:21 Speaking with us is Michelle Saunders-Clavery,
00:47:23 the association's president.
00:47:25 A very good morning to you, Miss Saunders-Clavery.
00:47:27 Thank you so much for joining us.
00:47:30 - Good morning as well.
00:47:31 And thank you very much for having us.
00:47:34 - So how about we start off with you telling us
00:47:37 about Alzheimer's and in particular,
00:47:41 the difference Alzheimer's versus dementia.
00:47:44 - Okay, well, first of all, Alzheimer's
00:47:48 is the most prevalent of all dementias.
00:47:52 And in Trinidad and Tobago, it is extremely prevalent
00:47:57 as with other countries worldwide.
00:48:00 However, what we encourage folks to do
00:48:03 is to get yourself tested because there are,
00:48:07 as you know, the different kinds of dementia.
00:48:09 You have frontal temporal, you have Lewy body,
00:48:12 you have different kinds of dementias.
00:48:16 And so you don't just assume that you have Alzheimer's,
00:48:21 but you do go and get yourself tested, okay?
00:48:24 And it's early diagnosis is key to all of this,
00:48:29 to really take in charge of yourself,
00:48:32 your living arrangements, your finances,
00:48:36 everything like that, yes?
00:48:38 - So is it that at a certain age,
00:48:40 you'll just go get tested or will you notice symptoms?
00:48:44 And what are those symptoms
00:48:45 that would drive you to go get tested?
00:48:47 - Okay, so there's something called FAD,
00:48:52 familial Alzheimer's disease,
00:48:55 which says that there is,
00:48:58 but it's less than 5% possibility
00:49:02 that you can get Alzheimer's
00:49:05 if a member of your family has Alzheimer's disease,
00:49:09 has lived with Alzheimer's disease.
00:49:11 However, what happens is that there's also
00:49:16 what we know as early onset Alzheimer's.
00:49:19 Alzheimer's from 60 years old and onwards
00:49:23 is what we expect really,
00:49:26 but it's not a natural progression of age.
00:49:29 And people must understand this.
00:49:32 Right here in Trinidad and Tobago,
00:49:34 as we receive phone calls on a daily basis,
00:49:38 we are hearing now for the last few phone calls we've had,
00:49:43 people in their 50s with Alzheimer's,
00:49:46 that's called early onset.
00:49:48 So rather than treat this one as an old person's disease,
00:49:53 a natural progression of age,
00:49:55 you want to understand that people younger
00:49:59 can get Alzheimer's disease,
00:50:01 can start living with Alzheimer's disease.
00:50:04 And things like memory loss might be an indicator,
00:50:09 but this is why early diagnosis is key
00:50:12 because it might just not be,
00:50:14 it might simply be a case of forgetting.
00:50:18 All of us forget at some point or the other,
00:50:21 and you are not to jump to it.
00:50:22 But certainly if you have Alzheimer's disease
00:50:25 in your family, you may want to have a chat
00:50:28 with your first, your family physician,
00:50:31 who may then in turn refer you to a neurologist.
00:50:36 Now, as I say neurologist, and let me put a disclaimer here,
00:50:41 I am by no means a physician.
00:50:44 I'm by trade.
00:50:46 I am just someone who has been into this whole Alzheimer's
00:50:50 disease for a very long time.
00:50:52 And so it's not a psychiatric disease, it's neurological.
00:50:57 A far too often what happens is,
00:51:01 is we take our loved ones to a psychiatrist
00:51:05 and we say, you know, okay, what can we get?
00:51:07 We want a stopgap measure, but you don't do that.
00:51:10 You want to see a neurologist in order to get tested.
00:51:14 - What are some predisposing factors
00:51:17 that make someone more susceptible to getting Alzheimer's?
00:51:20 And that's aside from, as you already mentioned,
00:51:23 having someone in the family who has lived with Alzheimer's.
00:51:26 - Yes.
00:51:27 Okay, so in going through the list,
00:51:30 I myself was a little alarmed.
00:51:33 However, however, your alarm must not take you
00:51:38 to a place of inaction or fear.
00:51:41 So some of the things that predispose you,
00:51:43 lack of exercise, alcohol use, or maybe abuse, okay?
00:51:48 Your diet, all right?
00:51:54 Try not to be alone for too long.
00:51:59 And these are some of the things,
00:52:02 the things that jumped up, something like diabetes.
00:52:05 If you have diabetes, you can be predisposed.
00:52:08 If you have hypertension, you can be,
00:52:11 you are predisposed to Alzheimer's disease.
00:52:13 Now, again, a word of caution.
00:52:16 It's not that you were, oh my God, I have hypertension.
00:52:20 Let me go check this out.
00:52:21 Because I can tell you speaking for myself, okay?
00:52:25 I like the odd drink of alcohol and so on.
00:52:27 So you watch it.
00:52:28 If you know, you need to know yourself.
00:52:31 So you need to know your diet.
00:52:32 So all the things, the lifestyles that you are expected
00:52:37 to have to live healthily, those are the ailments
00:52:42 for a lack of healthy lifestyle.
00:52:45 The ailments are what predisposes you to Alzheimer's disease.
00:52:49 - Gotcha.
00:52:50 So we talked about symptoms to look out for.
00:52:52 We talked about some of those predisposing factors.
00:52:55 What about, well, I've read, but you could correct me.
00:52:59 There's no cure, but once you've been tested,
00:53:03 are there any medication or treatment
00:53:07 that can slow down the process or prevent it?
00:53:11 - Yes.
00:53:12 There is a drug that has just been given approval.
00:53:16 I don't want to mispronounce it.
00:53:18 Lacanonab, Lacanonab, I think it is.
00:53:22 I may be mispronouncing the name there.
00:53:24 Because there was another one
00:53:25 that only got provisional clearance,
00:53:30 but they took that one off the market.
00:53:33 And there's another one, that one, Lacanonab,
00:53:36 that slows down the progression of the disease
00:53:39 because it's not curable.
00:53:41 But certainly, if you get tested early
00:53:45 and you take these drugs, then you stand a better chance,
00:53:48 a better quality of life.
00:53:50 There's also a drug called Aricept,
00:53:52 which my father, we gave to my father at some point in time,
00:53:55 but I caution people because one of the side effects
00:53:59 of Aricept is that it increases libido.
00:54:03 And of course, my mother didn't want that
00:54:05 with my father who had Alzheimer's disease.
00:54:07 But these are drugs that can slow the progress.
00:54:12 And then it's really about getting out,
00:54:17 not trying not to be alone.
00:54:20 And as I say to people, Alzheimer's disease
00:54:23 and the care of a person living with, not suffering with,
00:54:27 because we no longer say suffering with
00:54:29 because the patients live with the disease.
00:54:32 We try to say to people, listen, this is not a one-man show.
00:54:38 So if you have a family member,
00:54:40 the family needs to be involved.
00:54:42 The neighbors need to be involved, friends.
00:54:44 I mean, it's not that you're going to spread
00:54:47 the fact that your loved one is living with disease.
00:54:50 You're not going to spread it across the globe
00:54:53 simply because you know they're not so,
00:54:57 I'm good thinking people, well-thinking people there.
00:55:01 But certainly you need to get a core group
00:55:05 of friends and or family to assist with this,
00:55:09 with the care of someone living with Alzheimer's disease.
00:55:11 - So Ms. Suwandesh Cleverie, is there stigma,
00:55:14 I've been reading about stigma
00:55:16 against persons living with Alzheimer's.
00:55:18 Tell us a little bit about that.
00:55:20 - Oh yes, very much in the same way,
00:55:23 cancer was stigmatized where I remember growing up
00:55:27 and my mother and so on would speak about it,
00:55:30 friends who had it and they would whisper.
00:55:32 - Yes, I remember those days as well.
00:55:34 - You remember that, yes.
00:55:35 So now it's the same thing, people deny it
00:55:38 because there is an association
00:55:42 that it's a mad person's disease.
00:55:44 No, it isn't, it isn't.
00:55:47 Some of, you find many Alzheimer's,
00:55:50 people who live with Alzheimer's,
00:55:51 they are in a world of their own,
00:55:56 generally happy, of course, with mood swings and so on.
00:56:00 But what you have is that, you know,
00:56:02 people just want to be ensured.
00:56:07 And when I say people, both caregivers
00:56:09 and the ones living with the disease
00:56:11 want to be ensured of a good quality of living.
00:56:16 So the stigma, the stigma,
00:56:18 we at the Alzheimer's Association of Trinidad and Tobago,
00:56:22 we work on this through our education and training programs.
00:56:26 And let me say here as well,
00:56:27 Uwe Reutek is one of our partners
00:56:31 and they provide the training for persons
00:56:35 who are interested in knowing about the disease
00:56:37 or caring for someone who lives with the disease.
00:56:40 And so we encourage people.
00:56:42 And even as I say that,
00:56:44 I want to say as well that our next training program
00:56:47 is in November, November 4th.
00:56:49 So I'm putting it out there for folks
00:56:51 who want to know how to manage
00:56:53 and who want to know how to assist in reducing the stigma,
00:56:57 you need to attend one of our workshops.
00:56:59 - Workshops in November,
00:57:01 and that'll be after Alzheimer's month.
00:57:04 And I don't want us to run short on time.
00:57:06 I want you to tell us how the association
00:57:09 will be observing the month.
00:57:11 And of course, how can the public participate?
00:57:14 - Right, good.
00:57:15 And the first thing is the public can participate.
00:57:17 You don't have to be a caregiver.
00:57:19 You don't have to be,
00:57:20 you don't have to know someone.
00:57:22 You simply participate.
00:57:24 We are marking launch in the month on September the 2nd
00:57:28 at the Hyatt Regency Trinidad.
00:57:30 Our new patron is her excellency, Christine Karla Kangaloo.
00:57:35 And she will be in attendance at that launch.
00:57:39 And we call it launch and lunch.
00:57:42 There was a hiatus during COVID.
00:57:44 So we are now starting again.
00:57:46 And lunch is from 1230 to three o'clock.
00:57:50 Tickets can be had $400 contribution.
00:57:54 We encourage people,
00:57:56 we have a very packed program in store for folks who attend,
00:58:01 and you can learn more about the disease
00:58:03 while you lunch with us and help us launch the month.
00:58:06 That's September 2nd.
00:58:08 Yeah.
00:58:09 - And the rest of the month?
00:58:10 - And the rest of the month.
00:58:11 We will be doing radio interviews,
00:58:15 more television interviews.
00:58:16 We will also be doing outreach programs.
00:58:19 We have an outreach one coming up on Saturday in the South,
00:58:22 but we will also in September,
00:58:25 be doing outreach programs throughout Trinidad and Tobago.
00:58:29 Yeah.
00:58:29 - As we close Ms. Saunders-Clavery,
00:58:32 I know you've mentioned your dad.
00:58:34 So I take it you've been caring for someone
00:58:38 who has lived with Alzheimer's.
00:58:40 Any words of advice or any plea
00:58:43 that you could issue out there?
00:58:45 - Words of advice.
00:58:47 Before I knew anything at all,
00:58:49 because we were caring for our dad,
00:58:51 and my mother was too,
00:58:52 before we knew anything about Alzheimer's,
00:58:55 treat with the disease with a little humor.
00:58:59 Try to laugh a little bit.
00:59:01 Try to get into the world of the person
00:59:04 who's living with the disease.
00:59:06 Go back in time because the long-term memory is there.
00:59:08 Go back in time.
00:59:10 Let them enjoy some of what used to be.
00:59:13 And even if they tell you,
00:59:14 "I used to be a dancer.
00:59:16 I used to be,"
00:59:17 and you know they were not,
00:59:18 you simply say, "Yes."
00:59:20 You agree with them.
00:59:21 You say, "Yes, tell me about that dancing."
00:59:23 And engage them that way.
00:59:25 So this is how we treated with it
00:59:27 in the absence of any real concrete knowledge.
00:59:30 Humor, lightheartedness, and ultimately patience.
00:59:35 - And may I just add a little bit of love?
00:59:39 - Oh yes, not a little bit.
00:59:41 - A lot of love.
00:59:42 - Plenty, plenty love.
00:59:43 Oh yes, oh yes.
00:59:44 - So Ms. Michelle Saunders Cleavery,
00:59:45 President of the Alzheimer's Association
00:59:47 of Trinidad and Tobago,
00:59:48 let me thank you so much for joining us,
00:59:50 and of course educating the public.
00:59:52 May God bless you to continue doing all that you do.
00:59:56 - Thank you very much.
00:59:58 Thank you, and thank you so much for having us.
01:00:00 We appreciate it 100%.
01:00:02 - All the best to you.
01:00:04 - Thank you.
01:00:05 - Okay, so our viewers, we now take a quick break.
01:00:07 We'll be right back after this.
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01:02:56 Well, are you looking forward to extending
01:02:59 or continuing your education come September?
01:03:02 Are you looking to find yourself a new skill or trade?
01:03:05 Well, this one is in store for you.
01:03:08 There is something that you can do
01:03:10 and late registration closes on Wednesday,
01:03:12 so you still have a few days.
01:03:14 Joining us live on set is Kofi Toni.
01:03:16 He's the Senior Manager of the Curriculum Services
01:03:20 at the National Energy Skills Center.
01:03:22 He's here to share some information about their services
01:03:26 and of course their new programs.
01:03:27 So very good morning to you
01:03:28 and thank you so much for joining us.
01:03:29 - Hi, good morning.
01:03:30 Thank you for having me.
01:03:31 And on behalf of the NESC staff and alumni and students,
01:03:35 I wanna say that we're so happy to be here
01:03:37 to be able to share information
01:03:39 about the NESC Technical Institute,
01:03:41 formerly the National Energy Skills Center,
01:03:44 but formally our name has changed.
01:03:46 We are now NESC Technical Institute,
01:03:48 NESC Tech for short or NESC TI.
01:03:51 And we offer, I think we are the leading,
01:03:54 one of the leading technical, vocational,
01:03:56 educational training institutions in the region.
01:03:59 And we offer-- - The region.
01:04:00 - In the region, and I'm proud to say in the region.
01:04:03 We actually offer occupational,
01:04:06 10 occupational trades right now
01:04:08 that students can get involved in
01:04:10 at both the certificate and diploma levels.
01:04:12 We are accredited by the Accreditation Council
01:04:15 of Trinidad and Tobago.
01:04:17 We also have international certification
01:04:19 because we are city and guilds assured.
01:04:21 And we have a wonderful partnership and affiliation
01:04:24 with Red Deer Polytechnic out of Alberta, Canada
01:04:27 that allows students to get an international certificate
01:04:30 as well as the NESC diploma and NESC gentlemen certificate.
01:04:35 - So tell us about some of those programs
01:04:37 'cause I'm sure we have viewers out there
01:04:39 who are very interested.
01:04:40 What can they learn?
01:04:42 - Right, so we have programs ranging
01:04:43 from automotive services and heavy equipment.
01:04:46 We have drilling rig operations,
01:04:48 so we're still in the hydrocarbon industry.
01:04:50 We have the millwright
01:04:50 or the industrial mechanical program.
01:04:53 We have ITNS, we have electrical.
01:04:55 So ITNS, let me break up the acronym.
01:04:58 Information Technology Network Specialist.
01:05:01 It's a mouthful, but it's a very comprehensive program.
01:05:04 - What is that about?
01:05:05 - That it's about repairing of computers
01:05:07 as well as networks, setting up network systems,
01:05:09 network administrator, programming.
01:05:11 It's a whole host of different areas
01:05:14 that are involved in that program.
01:05:16 We also have the electrician program,
01:05:18 the instrumentation program,
01:05:20 a refrigeration and air conditioning program
01:05:22 that is a wide, it involves HVAC,
01:05:25 it involves heating and cooling.
01:05:27 And we also have, I don't wanna miss any,
01:05:30 the fabricator boiler maker program,
01:05:32 the welder program, and we've just not yet started,
01:05:36 but we're in the process of going through
01:05:39 to get in this academic year started
01:05:41 our renewable energy program,
01:05:42 renewable energy technology services program.
01:05:45 So it's a lot going on at the NESC.
01:05:47 - So you know, during the pandemic,
01:05:49 when a lot of people were home,
01:05:51 you had to source persons to fix this, fix that.
01:05:55 And it was very, very difficult.
01:05:57 You kept on seeing people posting
01:05:59 and looking for recommendations,
01:06:01 and it was difficult to find skilled labor.
01:06:04 Have you seen an upsurge,
01:06:05 has the NESC tech seen an upsurge
01:06:09 in persons coming in to learn about these trades?
01:06:12 - Yeah, since COVID,
01:06:14 and one of the things about COVID-19,
01:06:16 it helped the organization to develop
01:06:18 so that we would have developed
01:06:20 a blended design for our training.
01:06:21 So out of COVID-19 came a positive for us
01:06:24 so that we are able to deliver both online and in campus
01:06:27 so students get a blended experience.
01:06:29 - Even from September.
01:06:30 - Even from, actually we've been doing that
01:06:32 from COVID till now,
01:06:33 and we've been able to perfect this blended design, I think.
01:06:36 And the programs that we offer
01:06:39 give students a hands-on approach to what they do.
01:06:42 So it's not just about, for us,
01:06:44 especially in the diploma level programs,
01:06:45 it's not just about learning the competence itself,
01:06:49 but it's the knowledge behind it.
01:06:50 So we're able to give you a career,
01:06:52 and I wanna make sure and stress on career,
01:06:55 that allows you to be able to, one, work for yourself,
01:06:58 if that's what you want,
01:06:59 because you're talking about persons during COVID-19
01:07:02 trying to find someone who will come into their homes
01:07:04 and help them with specific things,
01:07:06 so you can work for yourself.
01:07:08 You can also work regionally and internationally,
01:07:11 because as I said,
01:07:12 our certificate is an international certificate.
01:07:14 It's not just about the NESC tech certificate and diploma,
01:07:18 but it's also about the Red Deer Polytechnic
01:07:20 trace professional certificate.
01:07:22 So you're able to work regionally
01:07:23 as well as internationally.
01:07:25 - What prerequirements do people need
01:07:28 to enter these programs?
01:07:29 - So for the diploma programs,
01:07:31 it's three CSEC subjects that you can come in with.
01:07:35 Even if you do not have the three CSEC subjects,
01:07:37 we do have a diagnostic test
01:07:38 that will determine where you are.
01:07:40 So for the diploma programs, you can do that.
01:07:42 And for our certificate programs,
01:07:44 or what we call our craftsman programs,
01:07:46 once you would have completed secondary school,
01:07:48 we do offer programs that will suit your level.
01:07:51 - Okay, excellent.
01:07:52 And all these programs are all GATE approved
01:07:55 or are some GATE approved?
01:07:57 - So the certificate programs are not GATE approved.
01:07:59 The diploma programs are.
01:08:01 So the certificate program, it's a nominal cost,
01:08:04 I think, and we do have payment plans available for that,
01:08:06 but the diploma programs are definitely GATE approved.
01:08:08 So once you qualify for GATE, you have no issues.
01:08:12 - What is the age group that you start accepting from?
01:08:16 - It's 17 and above, 17 and older.
01:08:18 So we really cater for persons
01:08:20 who would have completed secondary school
01:08:22 all the way up to when you can go as old as you like.
01:08:25 We have no limit in terms of acceptance.
01:08:28 - I'm going to lobby here, forgive me,
01:08:30 but I'm going to lobby if there may be some consideration
01:08:34 to sort of lower the age group.
01:08:36 And I'll tell you why.
01:08:37 A lot of the times when there are crimes in communities,
01:08:41 when young boys in particular from marginalized areas
01:08:46 are killed very often by the gun,
01:08:48 and you go talk to the family, the family will tell you,
01:08:50 well, you know, he left school,
01:08:51 but he was just waiting to join this program.
01:08:54 They were waiting for these apprenticeships.
01:08:56 So during that age or those years,
01:08:59 while they are waiting to enter NESC or MIC
01:09:03 or any of these programs,
01:09:06 they probably go a little astray.
01:09:07 So I'm just putting in a little plug there,
01:09:10 maybe up for consideration.
01:09:12 What about job opportunities for graduates?
01:09:15 - So they are the job market within Trinidad and Tobago.
01:09:18 Definitely you'd hear all the employees, I'm sure,
01:09:20 will say that once you get a graduate from the NESC Tech,
01:09:23 you know you've gotten someone who has hands-on experience.
01:09:26 So I'm sure our graduates are able to find employment,
01:09:29 but not just that.
01:09:30 Remember, they're also able to start their own businesses.
01:09:33 And in the various trades that we offer,
01:09:35 we have a lot of persons who not just work here,
01:09:38 but would have gotten opportunities in Guyana,
01:09:40 gotten opportunities as far as Abu Dhabi,
01:09:44 through the different programs that we offer.
01:09:45 So job opportunities definitely are available
01:09:48 for our students, not just because they have,
01:09:51 what a company might offer,
01:09:52 but what you're able to do on your own.
01:09:54 - So of course you did mention
01:09:55 the Canadian Trades Professional Certificates
01:09:58 for the NESC diploma graduates.
01:10:01 So when you get this certificate,
01:10:04 is it that through that you're able to work internationally?
01:10:07 - So this certificate allows you to,
01:10:09 in the Canadian industry, you're allowed to go in
01:10:12 and you're allowed to challenge
01:10:13 the journeyman certificate there.
01:10:14 So usually when persons have to challenge
01:10:16 the journeyman certificate,
01:10:17 they'll have to go through the training in Alberta.
01:10:20 But when you go there with our certificate,
01:10:21 you're allowed to go straight into that exam.
01:10:24 And that journeyman really gives you the ability
01:10:26 to work in the North American market.
01:10:28 - Okay, so there is great benefit there.
01:10:30 And which programs would you be able
01:10:33 to get the Canadian Trades Professional Certificate for?
01:10:36 - Ah, all of our programs,
01:10:39 and you can now get the Trades Professional Certificate for.
01:10:42 So imagine that you're coming into the NESC,
01:10:44 you're not just getting something local,
01:10:46 you're getting something
01:10:47 that you could move internationally,
01:10:48 that gives you that level of portability.
01:10:50 - And also academic growth or technical skills growth,
01:10:54 you could go further your trade,
01:10:56 further your studies and further equip yourself.
01:10:58 - Yeah, definitely.
01:10:59 And the thing about these programs,
01:11:01 because of the way the curriculum is designed,
01:11:03 it's an international curriculum.
01:11:04 So TVET allows you to not just, you know,
01:11:07 you're always able to do that continuous level
01:11:09 of improvement.
01:11:10 It's always continuous improvement that you can do.
01:11:13 - Right, so tell us the, in your own words,
01:11:16 and you know, to pitch it to those young persons out there,
01:11:20 or maybe not so young,
01:11:21 'cause anybody can go to NESC to learn a trade.
01:11:24 What is the value of learning a trade?
01:11:28 - One of the most important things, I think,
01:11:30 with learning a trade is that it's international.
01:11:33 It's not as though you're learning something
01:11:35 just for one area.
01:11:37 You're learning something that can be taken
01:11:38 in many different spheres.
01:11:40 So let's take, for example, our Millerite program,
01:11:42 industrial maintenance.
01:11:44 You're doing pumps, you're doing valves,
01:11:46 you're doing generators, you're doing compressors.
01:11:48 So it's not just one area.
01:11:50 So many of the trades have skills
01:11:52 that apply to several different areas.
01:11:55 So in terms of development,
01:11:56 you're making yourself more marketable.
01:11:58 You're giving yourself a skill
01:11:59 that is gonna last a lifetime.
01:12:02 So those are two of the most important things
01:12:04 when you're considering whether or not you want to do
01:12:06 maybe something more academic,
01:12:08 or something that you wanna use your hands with.
01:12:10 And I always say the diploma program in NESC
01:12:13 gives you a combination of two things.
01:12:15 You're not just getting the skill,
01:12:17 you're getting the knowledge.
01:12:18 So you understand what you're doing,
01:12:20 why you're doing it, and then you're able to adapt.
01:12:22 You're able to originate.
01:12:24 You're able to come up with different ways of doing it.
01:12:26 So that's the beauty of a program like the one we offer.
01:12:28 Hands-on skills, but the knowledge
01:12:30 to be able to adapt what you're doing.
01:12:33 - I tell you, Mr. Tony, I can't find someone to fix my dryer.
01:12:37 Actually, somebody came, they took the timer, and they left,
01:12:40 and we haven't been able to contact him
01:12:42 in more than a year.
01:12:43 So we really do appreciate everything that you all are doing
01:12:47 at the National Energy Skills Center Tech Institute.
01:12:51 It's now a technical institute.
01:12:53 - NESC Tech.
01:12:54 - NESC Tech.
01:12:55 So thank you so much for joining us,
01:12:56 and of course, sharing with the public.
01:12:58 They can, of course, go to your social media handles,
01:13:01 probably pay you all a visit to find out more.
01:13:03 And remember, guys, you just have a few more days.
01:13:06 There's late registration up until Wednesday.
01:13:08 Some of the programs are gate-approved,
01:13:10 some you may have to pay for,
01:13:11 but as Mr. Tony said, there are payment plans.
01:13:14 So go get, go learn a trade, go learn a trade now.
01:13:18 Thank you so much.
01:13:19 - Thank you for having me.
01:13:20 - All righty, guys, so we're going to a quick break.
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01:16:31 We're putting the focus now on female entrepreneurship.
01:16:35 Live in studio with us is Cathy Gale Ross
01:16:38 to tell us of course about her journey,
01:16:40 her business and her tasty treats.
01:16:42 A very good morning to you Cathy.
01:16:44 - Good morning, I appreciate you having me here.
01:16:47 - Of course, so here's how I found out about you.
01:16:50 So on Facebook, I have this friend Tony Badesi
01:16:53 and of course he posted up your amazing fudge.
01:16:57 I understand you have some really nice flavors
01:17:00 in your fudge and the way that he pitched it,
01:17:03 I was like, you know what, we've got to have you here.
01:17:05 And of course our producer, Nicole Romany,
01:17:08 she did all the background and here you are today.
01:17:12 So we're very pleased to have you.
01:17:14 - Thanks, thanks a lot.
01:17:16 - Tell us about your journey.
01:17:18 I understand that you were a former PetroTrin worker.
01:17:20 - Yes, on the 30th of November, 2018,
01:17:24 I will say I was handed a lemon
01:17:28 and I'm trying to make lemonade.
01:17:31 I started making fudge in February, 2019
01:17:36 to help with my expenses.
01:17:41 I told my daughter I'm going to make fudge to sell.
01:17:44 It is not an easy journey, but day by day,
01:17:49 it's working out, it's improving.
01:17:53 - And you've of course expanded.
01:17:55 - Yes, I have fudge and carrot cochila
01:18:00 on different locations.
01:18:00 - Carrot cochila.
01:18:02 - Yes, interested.
01:18:04 - The flavors of the fudge,
01:18:06 I think I saw sorrel spice, mango spice.
01:18:09 - Yes, I have coconut spice, molasses chocolate,
01:18:14 sorrel spice and mango spice.
01:18:18 - So of course, how did you come up with these flavors?
01:18:22 - The first one was originated in Trinidad,
01:18:27 a customer with coconut fudge.
01:18:31 I added spice as a base because spice is something
01:18:35 that is good for the human body.
01:18:38 - Spices and cinnamon.
01:18:39 - Yes, cinnamon, yeah.
01:18:41 And molasses is also something that is good for human.
01:18:46 So that's how I came up with the first two.
01:18:50 The sorrel was outside the box.
01:18:53 My daughter, Kyla, she was instrumental
01:18:59 in the suggestion for the mango spice.
01:19:04 - So you use actual mango pulp and so on
01:19:09 to extract your flavors.
01:19:11 - Yes, the location that carry four of the fudge right now,
01:19:19 it's the Fruit King opposite the Gasparilla Mall
01:19:23 that's where I get the mangoes.
01:19:25 - Oh, okay, okay.
01:19:26 From Gasparilla mangoes, we get mango fudge.
01:19:30 - Yes, and sorrel, I love sorrel.
01:19:34 So that was an easy picking.
01:19:36 - So during the season, you would get it, clean it,
01:19:39 freeze it and keep it to make throughout the year.
01:19:41 - Yes, yes, yes, I do.
01:19:42 It has been a great improvement
01:19:47 when coming to the amount of sorrel spice
01:19:50 is selling right now.
01:19:51 - Really, that is your favorite?
01:19:53 - Actually, at present, I don't know which is the favorite.
01:19:58 I think coconut, if I have to choose,
01:20:02 coconut would always be a favorite in Trinidad.
01:20:06 - So you're also an artist.
01:20:09 - Yes, I am.
01:20:11 This is what I call my masterpiece.
01:20:15 It's Time Elapsed, West Indian's greatest cricket team.
01:20:20 It's cricketers from the different eras.
01:20:24 - And you brought them all together.
01:20:26 - Yes.
01:20:27 I am versatile.
01:20:31 I will say God bless me with some talent.
01:20:36 - You're good with your hands.
01:20:37 - Yes, I'm good.
01:20:38 - So who are them?
01:20:39 Like tell us each personality.
01:20:42 - Presently, I will have to put a paper down
01:20:46 and list it for you, right?
01:20:48 Because I'm not very versed with cricket in general.
01:20:53 But Vivian Richards is the one
01:20:57 with the wickets keeper.
01:21:00 We have Brian Lara on your extreme right.
01:21:07 We have Courtney Walsh next to me.
01:21:12 Same.
01:21:13 We have Michael Holding, the three H's.
01:21:18 W's, sorry, the three W's.
01:21:21 I have the listing.
01:21:24 I'm really not too versed with the cricket names.
01:21:28 - This is really nice.
01:21:30 So you're self-taught?
01:21:32 - Yes, I am.
01:21:35 - Wow.
01:21:36 'Cause I'm seeing a lot of definition
01:21:38 in the hands and so on, the jacket, the pads.
01:21:42 - Yeah, there's a lot of definition in it.
01:21:44 It's very impressive.
01:21:45 Shadows, you're seeing a lot, yeah.
01:21:47 - I was the secretary of the women in our group
01:21:51 for several years before I got married.
01:21:55 But that lasted for seven years and the marriage.
01:22:00 That painting was done during that period.
01:22:04 - Oh, during the seven year period?
01:22:05 - Yes, it was.
01:22:08 So it's my masterpiece.
01:22:10 - Your masterpiece.
01:22:11 And do you have any others or this was?
01:22:14 - I have some paintings at home.
01:22:18 I was part of different exhibitions.
01:22:23 I sold some paintings at Normandy
01:22:26 with the women in our group.
01:22:28 I had a solo exhibition at what,
01:22:32 Gulf City when we had Republic Bank there.
01:22:35 But my main focus right now
01:22:39 is achieving greatness with all the recipes
01:22:44 that I was given.
01:22:46 - And your delicacies.
01:22:47 - Yes.
01:22:47 - 'Cause it's Cathy Gale confectionery.
01:22:49 - Yes.
01:22:50 - So how has your journey been since leaving Petritrain?
01:22:53 How did it start off?
01:22:55 Was it rough in the beginning?
01:22:56 And what really motivated you
01:22:59 to start back working with your hands?
01:23:02 - The need for finance.
01:23:05 - Okay.
01:23:08 - I had nine years permanent service with Petritrain.
01:23:11 Some people, close at Petritrain
01:23:15 would have been in a better position than others.
01:23:18 My position was not great.
01:23:22 So I put on the thinking cap and come up with some ideas.
01:23:27 And one thing I was good at was making fudge.
01:23:32 So I went back to the basics.
01:23:35 - And when you look at it now,
01:23:36 and that would have been,
01:23:38 you weren't young when you started this.
01:23:40 - No.
01:23:41 - So it really did have to take a lot.
01:23:42 When you look back and you're seeing yourself now,
01:23:45 you're seeing all your products, how do you feel?
01:23:48 - I'm appreciative of what God can do.
01:23:52 Because without God, nothing is achieved.
01:23:56 And every day is a new step.
01:23:59 The step for getting the different registrations
01:24:07 process, everything is a step.
01:24:10 And sometimes when people see me and ask,
01:24:14 how am I doing?
01:24:15 I say I'm okay for the hour.
01:24:17 - Yeah.
01:24:18 Okay for the hour, that sounds like my line as well.
01:24:21 Okay for the while.
01:24:23 But what, are we gonna try something?
01:24:26 What would you suggest that we try this morning?
01:24:29 - Well, my daughter, Kyla,
01:24:32 she is also part of the business.
01:24:35 She handles the cakes.
01:24:38 She did have some eggless chocolate cakes.
01:24:40 - Very nice.
01:24:42 Kyla, are you there?
01:24:43 You wanna come on set and hand us one?
01:24:45 So we can have it tried.
01:24:48 So she's also part of your business.
01:24:51 She's like with you.
01:24:53 How would you encourage other persons?
01:24:55 - Everything is possible.
01:24:58 I don't give up.
01:25:00 - Go right ahead, Kyla.
01:25:01 (laughs)
01:25:03 - Everything is possible.
01:25:07 Don't give up.
01:25:08 So I'm going to try one of your special,
01:25:11 is this edible?
01:25:12 - Yes.
01:25:13 - Great.
01:25:14 - And we have saffron mango there.
01:25:17 - Saffron mango.
01:25:18 - And an interesting juice.
01:25:21 We have.
01:25:23 - It reminds me, sorry guys,
01:25:27 but this reminds me of long time chocolate cake.
01:25:31 It really tastes like cocoa and so on.
01:25:33 I love it.
01:25:34 - Yeah, mango apple juice also.
01:25:38 - Mango apple juice.
01:25:39 That might go down really well with this chocolate cake.
01:25:42 So let me thank you so much, Cathy,
01:25:44 for joining us while I stuff my mouth.
01:25:46 Let me thank you so much for joining us.
01:25:48 I really do love it.
01:25:49 We're going to fight with studio crew in a short bit
01:25:51 as to who gets what.
01:25:53 But thank you so much for joining us.
01:25:54 Let me wish you all the best in your venture.
01:25:57 And I'm pretty sure we'll meet up sometime soon again
01:26:00 and you'll have much, much, much, much more stories to tell.
01:26:04 - Thanks for having me.
01:26:05 - All the best to you, to Cathy,
01:26:07 and of course to Kyla right next to her.
01:26:09 Well guys, it's going to be a wrap from me here.
01:26:12 I want to thank you so much for joining me over the week.
01:26:15 It has been really interesting, really happy.
01:26:19 Just to shout out my head of news, Sharon Hamilton Kajoo,
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01:26:24 Of course, producer Nicole Romany
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01:26:28 This week has been really riveting.
01:26:30 I look forward to seeing you guys sometime soon.
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01:35:29 And coming up today, we look back
01:35:31 at the Ghana Amazon Warriors win over the Patriots.
01:35:34 We dig deeper and we do some analysis
01:35:37 and we also go behind the scenes of Team TKR
01:35:40 to take a peek at some cutting edge activity.
01:35:43 Stick around, it is the "Bowl Them Out" cricket show.
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01:35:49 - Ah, forgot my horn this morning,
01:35:55 but we're gonna make a joyful noise
01:35:57 and a joyful movement as well
01:35:59 because the Ghana Amazon Warriors got their first win
01:36:02 of this year's Republic Bank Caribbean Premier League
01:36:04 with a comfortable 65 run victory
01:36:07 against the St. Kitts and Nevis Patriots.
01:36:09 Well, the Patriots won the toss
01:36:11 and they opted to field first,
01:36:12 but that decision backfired.
01:36:14 That's because the Amazon Warriors made light
01:36:16 of regular weekends falling to post an exceptional 197-7.
01:36:21 In reply, well, the Patriots,
01:36:23 they struggled to get close to the Warriors total,
01:36:26 even though Evan Lewis played a quick fire captain's knock,
01:36:28 but once he fell, it was all over.
01:36:31 - Full again, full again, that's straight.
01:36:35 And the dreaded finger goes up.
01:36:39 (ball bouncing)
01:36:41 - Balled, top edge.
01:36:43 Republic Bank maximum, the first of the innings.
01:36:46 Balled in.
01:36:50 Too cheeky from Syam Ayub.
01:36:52 - That is magnificent.
01:36:57 - There you go.
01:37:01 Ask and you shall receive.
01:37:07 - Thumped away, Fielder takes the catch.
01:37:10 - Hasn't hit it nearly well enough.
01:37:16 Power failure, height, no distance.
01:37:22 Taken.
01:37:23 - Deep point, deep point, takes it.
01:37:28 Magnificent, that.
01:37:37 - This should be success for Paul and his.
01:37:39 - No way!
01:37:43 We love you, lefty boy.
01:37:46 - Oh, is he gone?
01:37:49 - Gotcha!
01:37:51 - Flat.
01:37:53 No, are you kidding me?
01:37:54 - Ed Meyer reels it in, and that is another win,
01:38:04 seven from seven for the Ghana Amazon Warriors.
01:38:07 - And some hot action with the Ghana Amazon Warriors,
01:38:11 winning that match by 65 runs.
01:38:14 That's a lot of runs, she hoops out and things off.
01:38:16 54 with Ayub adding 31.
01:38:19 Ed Meyer in the action with 26,
01:38:21 and the Shepherd getting in 25.
01:38:24 Well, Evan Lewis though, he made a resistance at 48,
01:38:28 while Riyadu, 32.
01:38:29 Joshua De Silva didn't contribute much this time
01:38:31 with just 10, but look on the other side.
01:38:34 Imran Tahir and Godakish Moti with four for 29,
01:38:38 undoing the St. Kitts and Nevis Patriots,
01:38:40 who many thought coming into this competition
01:38:42 had one of the most explosive batting units.
01:38:45 Well, to dig deeper and to analyse exactly what went wrong,
01:38:48 I've got directly from Guyana,
01:38:50 John Ramsing, a cricket analyst.
01:38:52 And John, I know you're smiling this morning
01:38:54 because the Amazon Warriors,
01:38:56 well, they got victory last evening.
01:38:58 - Hi James, hello everyone, good morning.
01:39:00 - Yeah, I think the opportunity on the park in St. Lucia
01:39:05 was very short, that could not analyse anything.
01:39:08 Five overs for the Amazon Warriors against the Kings.
01:39:11 But last night's game at Warner Park,
01:39:13 small venue mind you, was the first opportunity
01:39:16 to really look at the Amazon Warriors,
01:39:17 a new look Amazon Warriors, new head coach, new manager,
01:39:21 and a few new players as well,
01:39:23 mixing with the locals and regional players.
01:39:25 Bigger party.
01:39:27 So, with everything being equal,
01:39:30 the Amazon Warriors, with their first opportunity
01:39:32 on the park, look a very good unit.
01:39:35 And I think that the way they played last night
01:39:38 against the Patriots showed that they can actually adapt
01:39:41 and be able to get out of difficult situations.
01:39:44 And also, when things are in their favour,
01:39:46 be able to capitalise, like we saw with the batting.
01:39:48 Batting first, I think they wanted to bat first as well,
01:39:51 in spite of thoughts that it all goes their way,
01:39:53 they managed to get almost 200 runs,
01:39:55 which is what they wanted.
01:39:57 And then eventually, had a good opportunity with the ball.
01:39:59 Some forces you may want to look at,
01:40:01 some individuals you may want to look at
01:40:04 for the next game maybe,
01:40:05 for example, Chander Paul Hemraj,
01:40:07 not in the best of form,
01:40:09 and not in the best of fitness as well.
01:40:11 And young Matu Nandu, one of the emerging players,
01:40:13 may very well get a look in.
01:40:15 - Well, 197, John, you mentioned that,
01:40:17 you touched on that.
01:40:18 Even with Chander Paul Hemraj not making a lot of runs,
01:40:22 you know, that's incredible though.
01:40:23 What do you think worked for them?
01:40:25 Was it just bad bowling or good batting?
01:40:27 - Yeah, I think the way Sheoho batted,
01:40:31 in that partnership with Shimon Heath-Meyer,
01:40:33 and it showed that you don't need to be bashing the ball
01:40:36 to get runs.
01:40:37 And at Waterpark, it's a small venue,
01:40:39 you may think that you can clear the boundaries easily,
01:40:42 but stroke making, look at the way they stroked it,
01:40:45 look at the way they were running.
01:40:47 They also showed that with proper technique
01:40:49 and good preparation, you can actually get runs.
01:40:52 Same, Ayub, he did the same thing,
01:40:54 did not beat the ball, I perceive.
01:40:56 But what he did was pick the gaps nicely.
01:40:58 He's not a big man in terms of stature,
01:41:00 but his timing is good.
01:41:01 He plays very good square of the wicket
01:41:03 and behind square on the onside, that's his strength.
01:41:06 And if you look at the way the world cricket has been going,
01:41:10 with the guys like Brad Coley, Baba Razam,
01:41:13 they're not the ones who go and slug the ball in.
01:41:17 They would stroke it around.
01:41:18 And stroke makers, there is a place for stroke makers
01:41:22 in T20 cricket, in wide ball cricket,
01:41:24 and Shea Hope did that very well.
01:41:26 - Yeah, most certainly, Shea Hope doing the job.
01:41:28 Now, John, stick around.
01:41:29 I'm gonna come back to you in just a second.
01:41:31 But first, let's take a look behind the scenes at Team TKR.
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01:46:53 - All right, yeah, wasn't supposed to catch me dancing.
01:46:56 Let's take a look at the points table now
01:46:57 as we analyze where all the teams are
01:47:00 and the Jamaica Tallowas.
01:47:02 Oh, look at them sitting nice and pretty
01:47:04 atop the standings,
01:47:05 followed by the St. Lucia Kings
01:47:07 who just sit there with just one win
01:47:09 from their last four play.
01:47:11 You might be looking at that and wondering
01:47:12 how does a team with one or two wins
01:47:14 stop the standings?
01:47:15 Of course, don't forget there was Rean and St. Lucia.
01:47:17 Ghana Amazon Warriors after that win,
01:47:19 playing only their second match.
01:47:20 They are in third,
01:47:21 so you've got to keep an eye on them.
01:47:23 The St. Kitts and Nevis Speed Shirts
01:47:25 have now played four matches without a win.
01:47:28 And the sitting four,
01:47:29 Chumbigo Knight Riders just one match
01:47:30 and the Barbados Royals sitting below them.
01:47:33 So that is how the standings line up.
01:47:35 And John Ramsey is still with us.
01:47:38 John, happy with where Guyana is at the moment,
01:47:40 just two matches and already in third position.
01:47:43 They've got a really great platform
01:47:45 moving into this St. Kitts rung.
01:47:47 - Yeah, and then they're not at home as yet.
01:47:50 So the back end of the tournament
01:47:51 where they tend to be strong guests
01:47:54 and you can look at their home advantage
01:47:57 at Providence as one of the biggest things,
01:47:58 where they have to play two matches
01:48:00 in Trenton and out of Tobago.
01:48:01 One of the Queens Park,
01:48:02 over one of the Bryan African Academy,
01:48:04 where they are very comfortable.
01:48:06 The conditions there suit them a lot.
01:48:08 So the last six matches,
01:48:09 they can say, you can say the Amazon Warriors are at home.
01:48:12 And because of the matches on the road,
01:48:16 no point really from that one in St. Lucia.
01:48:19 Two points here,
01:48:20 they play against Jamaica Talloway's Knicks,
01:48:22 which is going to be a day game on Sunday.
01:48:24 That is going to be a key match for them.
01:48:27 And then they go on to Barbados.
01:48:28 Where they play just one game.
01:48:30 So it means that the points that they get on the road
01:48:32 will help them a whole lot
01:48:33 going in towards the back end of the tournament.
01:48:36 And they might be suffering a little bit,
01:48:38 not being able to get maximum points in St. Lucia.
01:48:41 But with the way things are set up for them,
01:48:44 already just three points from two wins,
01:48:46 I think they can take comfort in the fact
01:48:48 knowing that they have points remaining for them
01:48:50 at the back end of the season.
01:48:52 - Yeah, I'm happy how you mentioned conditions
01:48:54 because I looked at the conditions last evening.
01:48:56 Go to Kish Moti, he got four wickets.
01:48:58 I remember doing commentary for the very first match
01:49:01 with the Patriots against the Talloways.
01:49:03 And there was talk that there was not enough variety
01:49:05 in terms of spinners.
01:49:07 In comes a spinner, Moti, and wickets are happening.
01:49:10 How does one navigate this particular St. Kitts venue here
01:49:15 to maximize points and picking up points and wins?
01:49:18 - Yeah, if you look at the way Moti bowls,
01:49:22 he does not give the batters a room really
01:49:24 outside the off, outside the leg.
01:49:26 And really the opportunity for them to free their arm
01:49:28 to hit down the ground.
01:49:29 He was very full and very accurate.
01:49:32 His variety, I'll tell you, he gets the ball to spin,
01:49:34 he gets the ball to dip a little bit,
01:49:37 and then there's a bit of a backspin.
01:49:39 So he tends to work a little bit within himself,
01:49:42 within his limitations, but from backspin, right?
01:49:46 And he varies his pace nicely.
01:49:48 So spinners, once they can get it right
01:49:50 in terms of what they're trying to achieve,
01:49:52 they can also become a handful at Warner Park
01:49:55 where a miss hit can go for six.
01:49:57 So it's very important to get the small things right.
01:50:00 Do not try to be too attacking because you don't want
01:50:04 every ball to be a wicket-taking ball.
01:50:05 You may want a dot ball, you may want to prevent a boundary.
01:50:09 And in doing so, you create pressure on the batters.
01:50:12 And that's what Moti has been doing.
01:50:14 Because sometimes he bowls a little bit short,
01:50:16 trying to get the batter to perhaps pull the ball
01:50:19 into the hand of a fielder in the deep.
01:50:21 And it's punished, but that's the type of person he is.
01:50:24 He's an attacking bowler.
01:50:25 Look at Tahir.
01:50:26 Tahir is bowling with his normal, angled approach,
01:50:30 lots of googly.
01:50:31 At one time, Evan Lewis took a liking to him.
01:50:34 But after that, he came out nicely, stuck to his plan,
01:50:37 and allowed the batters at the other end
01:50:39 to really fall for his game.
01:50:43 Yeah, and looking at how you win Solution with me,
01:50:46 we saw all of the rain and the commotion.
01:50:48 How does this open up this tournament,
01:50:50 coming into this home stretch, coming down the road?
01:50:54 Yeah, I think Solution will be most affected,
01:50:56 because four games over there, and the batters just
01:50:59 come up with four points.
01:51:00 You want to collect points as much as possible
01:51:02 from your home venue, where you're most comfortable.
01:51:06 Mind you, last year, Barbados Royals, Jamaica Tallowells
01:51:09 were without home venues.
01:51:10 And those teams managed to make it into the final.
01:51:13 So we can say that home venue is not really a thing
01:51:16 that you can really look at in that case.
01:51:19 But with that crowd behind you, like we saw at Darrell
01:51:23 and [INAUDIBLE] they were building up nicely.
01:51:26 They were really cheering on and pushing the home side
01:51:29 over the edge, in terms of getting a victory.
01:51:33 So you really want to get points at home.
01:51:35 And with just four points, one win and three no results,
01:51:39 not exactly what the Kings were looking for.
01:51:43 And the only team to suffer, I'd say,
01:51:46 is them the most, but pretty even Stevens
01:51:48 around the other teams.
01:51:50 So it remains open.
01:51:51 It's wide open in terms of where teams are stacked.
01:51:54 Well, John Ramsing, thank you very much, my friend.
01:51:56 I hope to see you sooner, perhaps
01:51:58 when you come to Trinidad for the CPL Round in Trinidad.
01:52:01 That, of course, is John Ramsing, Cricket Commentator.
01:52:03 You can catch his voice on the Gem Radio Network's coverage
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01:57:02 All right.
01:57:06 Welcome back to the Boulder Mound Cricket Show.
01:57:07 I'm just looking.
01:57:08 We're almost done.
01:57:09 We're almost done.
01:57:10 I'm almost out of time.
01:57:11 As we get ready to look ahead at a sunshine moment.
01:57:15 And I tell you, it is quite cutting edge.
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01:58:12 All right.
01:58:12 Let's start talking about cutting edge.
01:58:14 Let's look back at the points table.
01:58:15 Talawaz, Likha, what did Talawaz,
01:58:18 top the standings, St. Lucia Kings.
01:58:20 TKR have no fear.
01:58:21 They're in fifth in the moment.
01:58:22 But look at that.
01:58:23 Just one match played from the Chumbago Knight Riders.
01:58:26 So they've still got some way to go in this competition.
01:58:29 So we're going to keep our eyes on that.
01:58:31 Let's look ahead, though.
01:58:32 Saturday's game.
01:58:33 Speaking of the Chumbago Knight Riders,
01:58:35 they played their very first game.
01:58:37 Dun, dun, dun, dun.
01:58:38 This Saturday, they take on the St. Lucia Kings.
01:58:42 You might remember their match in St. Lucia was reigned out.
01:58:44 So that match starts at 9.30 AM local time.
01:58:48 So we've got to wake up early to Saturday.
01:58:50 But yeah, we've got to get up a bit early to take in the TKR.
01:58:52 And then later on, the home team, the St. Kitts and Leavitt
01:58:55 Patriots, two back-to-back defeats.
01:58:57 They will be taking on the Barbados Royals.
01:59:00 So that, or those, rather, are the big matches
01:59:03 that will be happening tomorrow in the CPL.
01:59:06 And of course, they come back again on Friday--
01:59:09 on Monday, in fact.
01:59:10 I'm speeding, I'm fast-forwarding the week.
01:59:12 On Monday, to break it all down.
01:59:14 Don't forget the TV6 News tonight.
01:59:16 I've got an exclusive interview with Danny Morrison,
01:59:19 and we talk about him.
01:59:20 So look to the TV6 News tonight.
01:59:21 Thank you to everyone who tuned in this morning.
01:59:24 The Bowlem Out Cricket Show.
01:59:25 This is saying, have a safe weekend, have a great weekend,
01:59:28 have a CPL weekend, and Team TKR.
01:59:31 That's it for us.
01:59:32 Catch you later.
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