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00:00:00Very special good morning Trinidad and Tobago and the rest of the world. I'm Marlon Hopkinson
00:00:21as always. Welcome to The Morning Edition. It's Tuesday, 20th August and thank you very
00:00:25much for joining us this morning. It's just a few weeks away now from the beginning of
00:00:31the new school term. So all the children who are sleeping at this hour, in the next few
00:00:37weeks you have to get up and go out to school. You know, as I think about my childhood and
00:00:44I think about my time going to school, I thought it was traumatic. You don't find it's traumatic?
00:00:51How many of you out there think that it, you know, it is sometimes traumatic for the
00:00:56children? Yeah? I remember speaking to someone on this program maybe over a year ago, someone
00:01:06in education. I believe the lady was from Jamaica and she was saying, look, she thinks
00:01:12because of her experience in education that we are exposing our children to the rigors
00:01:18of the education system at too an early age. Yeah? So, but that's up for debate. I just
00:01:24thought I would put it on the table this morning. Right? So I hope that you're good and that
00:01:29you're with us this morning and that you're safe and sound. We do have an interesting
00:01:33two hours for you. All right. Let's check out the Daily Express. Okay. On the front
00:01:36page today, historians welcome removal of Columbus vessels from National Coat of Arms.
00:01:44And 23 Venezuelan children get letters of admission to school. Reason to smile, the
00:01:49caption says, and that's Cesar Galindo. He is all smiles after he was presented with
00:01:55his migrant student exemption letter. Look at Cesar now. Cesar, how he's smiling. Yeah?
00:02:02All right. So we're moving on. Yeah? So that was quick. From UNC to PNM. Prime Minister
00:02:12Dr. Keith Rowley center poses with ex-United National Congress counselor Jason Alley, left
00:02:16and activist Julia Davey at the People's National Movement Special Convention to consider the
00:02:21report of its Internal Constitutional Review Committee on Sunday at Napa. And no guarantee.
00:02:28Minister school repairs are complex matter. Education Minister Dr. Nian Gansby-Dawley
00:02:33said, it is the goal of the ministry to reopen all schools in the next new term or in the
00:02:38new term. But she could not give a guarantee as the issue is a complex matter. All right.
00:02:44So we're moving on to some sport now. What's next for Bassrath? CWI searching again for
00:02:51a vice president, even though he has now vacated the post, as in Bassrath is free to run again
00:02:57for vice president of cricket West Indies. But will he? CWI stated yesterday that Bassrath
00:03:04had left the position and a new election to fill the vacant post will be held on September
00:03:0920th. All right. Okay. So we're moving on. So it's time to remind you about Trinbago,
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00:05:45You ever tried talking to your child and there's a total and complete misunderstanding
00:05:49and it turns out into a shouting match? Be mindful of what you say and more importantly,
00:05:55how you say what you say.
00:06:00Today I want to share with you just a few thoughts on communication.
00:06:03To build healthy parent-child relations, communication is not an option. Effective
00:06:09communication is the lifeblood of good relationship between parents and children.
00:06:14Please listen attentively to your child. Everyone hears, but not everybody listens.
00:06:20Listen actively. Use language they can understand. Use language that is appropriate for their age
00:06:27and make sure that when you're speaking, be very clear and be very, very specific.
00:06:33So what does behave good means? What does stop behaving badly means? Be very clear and be very
00:06:39specific. Please do not use any derogatory words to them at all, at all, at all. Use kind language
00:06:46because that helps to set a positive tone in the house. Express your feelings and your
00:06:51satisfaction to the situation and of course, please encourage your children to do so as well.
00:06:58Remember the conversation should be children, we love you, we love you and we respect you.
00:07:05Do the best you can. It's all that you can do. Be mindful of what you say and how you say it.
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00:07:17The letter for today is C for communication.
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00:07:46Hey, I thought you said you went to the beach with your parents.
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00:07:57So
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00:08:25I have a right to free primary school education. I have a right to be protected. I have a right
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00:08:39I have the right to express myself. I have a right to access information.
00:08:47So
00:08:57children have rights.
00:09:17Now
00:09:41all right, everybody, so welcome back. So the debate continues over the prime minister's
00:09:45decision to replace Columbus's ships of a national coat of arms with a national instrument
00:09:50for steel pan. The prime minister sees this as Trinidad and Tobago removes the vestiges
00:09:56of colonialism. To speak about the issue this morning is director of the Caribbean
00:10:00Freedom Project, Chewbacca Cambon. Chewbacca, good morning. Thank you very much for joining us.
00:10:06Good morning, my friend, and good morning to all there.
00:10:11All right, Chewbacca, we, well, we as a country, we have had a day to think about the prime
00:10:17minister's proposal, suggestion, however you want to put it. What's your position or perspective this
00:10:23morning?
00:10:40All right, Chewbacca, we seem to be having some problems concerning the audio, and studio,
00:10:48please, if we can attend to that, to that border there. All right, so here's what studio, please,
00:10:55let's see if we can attend to the audio problems that we are having in the meantime. All right,
00:11:02okay, so let me just touch a little more on this story that we are about to discuss here.
00:11:10So long overdue, that's one of the stories in the Daily Express today, historians welcome move to
00:11:17change coat of arms with a coat of arms soon to be stripped of images of European colonizer
00:11:23Christopher Columbus. Three ships that have for the past 62 years marked the national emblem.
00:11:30Some local historians say the move is a welcome one and congratulated the government for making
00:11:36it. Now speaking at a special PNM conference on constitutional reform on Sunday, of course,
00:11:42the Prime Minister Dr. Keith Rowley announced that the Santa Maria, the Pinta, and the Niner
00:11:47ships placed on the emblem to represent Columbus's rediscovery of the island in 1498
00:11:53will be removed and replaced with the country's national instrument, the steel pan. So he said
00:11:58that since the government had enough votes in parliament, as soon as legislative adjustments
00:12:04were made, the coat of arms would be amended before Republic Day, September 24. The move
00:12:10comes after years of advocate pleas for the removal of colonial monuments, statues, and
00:12:16emblems that are littered throughout the country. All right, let's return to Chebaka. Chebaka,
00:12:23good morning. Good morning. Yes, of course. Good morning again, my friend. And let me say that
00:12:29we are celebrating along with the people of Toronto-Begawini Crossroads Freedom Project,
00:12:35you know, it was in July 2020, that we petitioned parliament to review all the national
00:12:47monuments, signs, symbols, emblems, to ensure that we were not celebrating colonial violence
00:12:57and commemorating racism and white supremacy in this country. And of course, this is the
00:13:05latest manifestation of the public response to that petition. And so we're very proud of the
00:13:13role that we have played. And of course, we want to take the opportunity to salute
00:13:18the Prime Minister for taking this bold initiative. Yeah. So as I said earlier,
00:13:26Chebaka and studio tells me that you can put the phone on speaker Chebaka and we'll be able to hear
00:13:31you. Right. So as I said, you know, there's a debate now concerning this. And one position that
00:13:42has been put forward is a position of the opposition leader. And she says this entire
00:13:47political conversation, starting with the proposed changes to the coat of arms, is a tinderbox that
00:13:54can be ignited when emotions run high and ignorant and scrupulous persons begin gaslighting the
00:13:59population. She says this is how ethnic rivalries, societal strife and hate are stood up in a
00:14:06primarily peaceful multicultural society like ours, which can then devolve into violence and destroy
00:14:13our social peace or societal peace. We have seen this all over the world. So I think that the
00:14:20position that she has taken is a cautious one. I'm not here to get involved in the politics
00:14:32one way or the other. What I would say to anyone who doubts the significance or importance of this
00:14:39move is that they have to understand what the coat of arms represents now as it is currently
00:14:47constituted. Right. We have a coat of arms that, you know, in fact, reflects a imperialist
00:14:59view of history, which rationalizes the expansion of empire, justifies the subjugation,
00:15:06extermination and exploitation of indigenous peoples and their land, and frames the protagonist
00:15:11of these crimes as heroes and agents of progress and civilization. This symbol diminishes us as a
00:15:19nation and makes a mockery of all the values that we proclaim, all the values that we tell the world
00:15:26that they should come here to enjoy. This symbol is beneath us in no uncertain terms.
00:15:35The three ships on the coat of arms are the Pinta, the Nina and the Santa Maria. Those three ships
00:15:45never came to Trinidad. They were all removed, sunk, what have you, from the imperialist space
00:15:54by the time Columbus made his third voyage and found himself somewhere off the southern coast
00:15:59of Trinidad and Tobago. So those ships, when we talk about the discovery of the islands and those
00:16:06ships, we're talking about the discovery of the Caribbean, and that really is not a discovery.
00:16:12There is a euphemism for the violent invasion and genocidal occupation of the Caribbean.
00:16:20How can Trinidad and Tobago move forward as a nation in the 21st century, carrying the burden
00:16:27of such a symbol, celebrating a crime against humanity that is perhaps unparalleled in human
00:16:35history? Of course, people who criticize this move don't understand that, from the outside,
00:16:44a symbol like this puts us in a position to receive international ridicule. It makes us
00:16:54a kind of international laughingstock. So the Prime Minister is right, and of course we in
00:17:03Caribbean Freedom Projects favor dialogue. We favor public exchange. We think that this is a
00:17:09teaching moment, but we have also stated publicly that any Caribbean leader has a duty to address
00:17:20public symbols, particularly ones that are as egregious as our national symbol is.
00:17:27But you know, Chewbacca, there is also the position that has been put forward. I'm trying to
00:17:34ignore the feedback that we're having here. But there is the position that
00:17:40by making these changes, it may be an attempt to wipe away what is our history.
00:17:53No, this is what we have here. This doesn't change our history at all. It has nothing to
00:17:59do with our history. That is a red herring. What we are doing here is deciding what is
00:18:06fit and proper for us to celebrate in our public spaces. What is fit and proper for us to celebrate
00:18:14on our most important national symbol. And nobody in this country could tell me that Trinidadians
00:18:22are happy with the idea of celebrating genocide. In fact, Sheldon Blackwell and I produced a song
00:18:29called No Pride in Genocide with the understanding, and you're going to see it
00:18:34in the public surveys and so on. There are going to be people who are opposed to the move, but the
00:18:39vast majority of Trinidadians, like the vast majority of Caribbean people, don't take any
00:18:44pride in the violence of colonialism, the genocide, the slavery, the indentureship and the apartheid
00:18:53that followed up until 1962 and after. We take no pride in those things. We pride ourselves
00:18:59in being able to come together in unity as a people and to provide the world with a different
00:19:05example of how diverse people live together. So we don't have any stake in monuments like that.
00:19:18Shabaka, I just have about two more minutes, but speak a little bit about the benefit
00:19:23of a change such as this. Okay, so when the prime minister spoke about this change,
00:19:29he mentioned the education system. He mentioned the constitution, right? So this is a much deeper
00:19:38move than the superficial thing that people are going to talk about. Today, and I want everybody
00:19:44to consider the question of epistemic violence. These monuments like this, symbols like this,
00:19:50emblems like this, are a form of epistemic violence, colonial epistemic violence. What
00:19:57is epistemic violence? It's violence enacted on or through knowledge, and it's one of the kind of
00:20:03least glamorous forms of inherited violence that it's hard for us to talk about because it seems
00:20:10so complex, but it affects absolutely everything we do in our lives because through information,
00:20:18it affects all the other types of violence in society, and it particularly weighs on those
00:20:25groups that have been traditionally marginalized in a post-colonial society. So this, when we talk
00:20:32about the education system, for example, what kind of messages does a colonial education system
00:20:39send to our people about the marginalized groups in a society? How do Africans and Indians
00:20:45interact? How do we look at each other? Do we look at each other as equals, or do we look down
00:20:50at each other? Is there a kind of inherited negativity that we find hard to break through
00:20:57even to today? How does our political system reflect that history? You know, all these things
00:21:03are addressed when we begin to address the epistemic space that we live in. Remember that
00:21:08colonialism, the violence of genocide, slavery, internship on apartheid, was underpinned by ideas,
00:21:15a whole slew of ideas, and now we have to address those ideas if we expect to have a more caring,
00:21:24if we expect to emerge out of the shadow of colonial violence into a more caring and nurturing
00:21:32and just society, independent nation.
00:21:35Chewbacca Kambon, it's always a pleasure speaking with you. Thank you very much for your perspective this morning.
00:21:39Bye for now.
00:21:40Bye for now. Thank you, bye for now, sir.
00:21:42All right, so we are going to have a quick break, everybody. We'll be back.
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00:24:21Alright everybody, so welcome back, so our discussion continues on the Prime Minister's decision to replace Columbus' ships on the National Coat of Arms with a steel pan
00:24:29We are now joined by head of the Tobago Business Chamber and attorney at law, Martin George. Mr. George, good morning
00:24:35Yeah, hi, good morning to you Marlon, and good morning to your viewers on TV6, and good morning Trinidad and Tobago
00:24:43Yeah, Mr. George, it's always a pleasure to speak with you, well, as I would have discussed with Shabaka a short while ago, we as a country, we have had about a day now to think about the Prime Minister's suggestion, read the coat of arms, what is your impression this morning?
00:25:04Well, the thing is, I mean, Marlon, I would like to take a look historically at what a coat of arms is supposed to represent
00:25:14It's something that was used to identify your troops, identify your army, identify your soldiers when going into battle, that was the purpose of having a coat of arms
00:25:30So, from the perspective of identity, I would think there is a compelling argument to say that in the year 2024 and going forward, it's difficult to make a case to say that those three ships continue to represent Trinidad and Tobago heading into the future
00:25:55So, I think just from that perspective alone, there is merit in the argument to say that, look, hey, maybe we need to consider a change
00:26:05Yeah
00:26:07And you see, Marlon, we have to remember also that history is written by the conqueror, not the conquered
00:26:15So, therefore, historically, we would have been taught as children in school that Columbus discovered the West Indies, discovered Trinidad and Tobago
00:26:28I mean, of course, that's their narrative that they would have put out as the conquerors because history is recorded by the conquerors
00:26:38But, you know, I mean, of course, as we became more enlightened, you would recognize that, look, hey, there were indigenous peoples here, the Arabs, the Arawaks, you know, the Amerindians who were here before
00:26:51So, who are you to come and say you have discovered it? You have only now realized we exist, if you understand me
00:26:58So, you know, there's a lot at play here
00:27:01And, you know, while there are persons who, you know, say, well, you know, it is part of our history and therefore should not be removed from the coat of arms
00:27:12I would also say that we have to recognize that the steel pan is also part of our history
00:27:19So, that is something that we have to put into the mix also, you know
00:27:23So, I mean, while you want to say, you know, from a historical perspective, those ships, yes, may have formed part of our history
00:27:30The reality is that when you think back to, you know, the governors like Chacon and the other governors who would have ruled Trinidad, you know
00:27:40Who would have banned the locals from having their normal celebrations and therefore they had to have their celebrations in secret, you know
00:27:48And therefore they would beat their drums and play their tambu-bambu
00:27:52And it's from this you have the evolution of the steel pan
00:27:56Then we will definitely be able to say that there is also an historical perspective to having the steel pan there on the coat of arms
00:28:08I like to just attribute it to a factual perspective
00:28:12Yeah, a view has been expressed thus far that the prime minister is attempting to rewrite history
00:28:20Well, the thing is, it's not a question of rewriting history
00:28:23I think it's a question of looking at how we as a nation have evolved, how we have developed and what we are looking at from a futuristic perspective
00:28:36So therefore, you know, as I say, the history which has been written by the conqueror, you know, we are now looking at it from a different perspective
00:28:45To say, well, hey, listen, you know, is it really accurate to say that you discovered Trinidad and Tobago when there were people living here before?
00:28:56And then, you know, Martin, you look at the atrocities which occurred, you know, the brutality, which, you know, I mean, was attendant upon this conquest
00:29:07And you ask yourself, is this really something that you want to continue to celebrate, to glorify, to deify in the year 2024 and going forward?
00:29:19You know, we're not changing the fact that, yes, you know, Columbus did arrive and his ships
00:29:25Yes, of course, we're not trying to change that fact
00:29:27But the question is, you go back to the issue of what a coat of arms is supposed to represent
00:29:34And if it is to represent your identity as a nation, I would think that, you know, the steel pan, as proposed by the prime minister, really begins to represent a more accurate reflection of Trinidad and Tobago in the year 2024 and going forward
00:29:53Yeah, let me ask a question that I made earlier, that I asked earlier. Let's look at the impact, the positive impact on society. What are the benefits of this decision?
00:30:10I'm not sure there's any positive impact on society, you know, because there are those who are saying that, look, hey, there are much more important social issues to be dealt with, you know, in the sense of, you know, you look at the state of our roads, our hospitals, you know, you look at the state of crime in the country
00:30:30So, I mean, there is definite merit in those who say that there are much more important issues as a nation for us to deal with. So, I'm not sure, it's not going to change the price of cocoa tomorrow or coffee. It's not going to make, you know, householders or housewives feel any better when they go to the grocery, when they face the high grocery bills, the high food import bill that we as a nation are carrying
00:30:55So, therefore, in terms of the real and meaningful impact, it's nothing, I think, for the man in the street. It's really just a symbolic change. So, you know, I'm not sure all the brouhaha over it is necessary in terms of the way it's been touted as if, well, it's any radical improvement or change
00:31:16Yes, I accept that historically, you know, maybe we need to look at it and, you know, think in terms of what a coat of arms is supposed to represent and if it's your identity, then sure, I have no difficulty with it being the pan. But, I mean, if it is that the government is then trying to, you know, parlay this as some victory or achievement on their part, then that I would rubbish because, I mean, really and truly, it does nothing to improve the quality of life for the average citizen
00:31:46If it is that, yes, we need to change it and we need to get on with it, yes, let's do so, but don't be taking a victory lap for doing so
00:31:53Yeah, Mr. George, you know, when I speak with you, I like to put a number of issues on the table and I think
00:32:01Yes, you like to put all your bags in one handskip
00:32:04And on Sunday, this statement about Columbus's ships and so on, it was really a part of a number of statements that the Prime Minister spoke about in really removing the vestiges of colonialism, as he would have put it
00:32:22And he also spoke about the Privy Council, of course, you know, the controversy over the years with the CCJ and the Privy Council
00:32:32And I think he was speaking about that his government and Trinidad and Tobago, there should be a trust now towards really accepting the CCJ and moving away from the Privy Council
00:32:48Because I know that he would have also said that there may be a time where a government in the UK may say, well, here's what, we no longer want to have this arrangement with Trinidad and Tobago
00:33:03You as an attorney, a learned attorney, an experienced attorney, how do you feel about us really embracing in its entirety the CCJ and moving away from the Privy Council?
00:33:20Well, the thing is, I mean, Marlon, you know, one has to look at it from a judicial perspective and not just an emotional, you know, point of view to say, well, you know, as a nation, we ought to move away from the vestiges of colonialism
00:33:37The fact is the Privy Council has served us in the past, it has served us well in some cases, it has served us badly in some cases, but the reality is that there are some in the legal profession who are of the view that the distance and the separation
00:33:59which the Privy Council provides in terms of not being so close to the belly of the beast, so to speak, you know, they appreciate that more than they seem to feel comfortable with the idea of the CCJ, you know, I mean, there's the old saying that familiarity breeds contempt
00:34:20I mean, the reality is that, look, even among the CCJ, yes, we know some of the judges, some of them would have come up from amongst us, you know, I mean, we have some on the CCJ, Justice of Appeal Jamada, Justice of Appeal Maureen Rajnath Lee, in fact, one of the former presidents who recently passed away, you know, Michael de La Bastide, you know, Rolston Nelson
00:34:43I mean, there are quite a few who have been, you know, from amongst us who have been on the CCJ, and I mean, they have been, you know, stellar judicial officers with, you know, excellent careers and reputation, so there's no gain saying that, you know, they have the ability, the competence to be able to make, you know, rational and good and valid decisions and create sound judicial precedent
00:35:07But as I say, there are some who remain of the view that, look, notwithstanding the clear and demonstrated competence of the CCJ judges, they simply feel that, you know, the distance and separation of the Privy Council jurists gives them a sense of comfort to know that, look, they are in no way connected with
00:35:36or influenced by, you know, any of the local happenings, and they therefore make the decisions, whether rightly or wrongly, because the Privy Council is not necessarily always right, they only seem to be right because there's no higher court above them, you know, let's recognize that fact, you know, it's the same thing like the U.S. Supreme Court, it's just because there's no higher court above you to say, hey, you did nonsense, you know, why they seem to be the ones who have the final say
00:36:05So, you know, in that regard, we have to wait and balance it from that perspective, but to the point where you made of the, you know, UK maybe saying, well, look, hey, it's time to go off on your own, they've actually said that to us already, it's just that we've refused to leave, you know, I mean, we chain and cling on to the Privy Council, but they made it very clear that they would like to be rid of us
00:36:30But, as I say, there are many who remain of the view that, look, they feel more comfortable with the distance which the Privy Council provides and, I mean, it's interesting, when you think of, you know, like, for instance, some of the recent decisions in terms of, like, for instance, granting bail for murder, you know, and, you know, other, you know, significant decisions, Pratt & Morgan, you know, there are persons who feel that maybe a CCJ
00:36:59comprised of judges who are, I guess, closer to the fire may not necessarily have ruled in that way. You look at, for instance, the situation with Vibe's cartel, where his matter went up to the Privy Council and the Privy Council remitted it to the local court in Jamaica, you know, and there are some persons who feel that, look, the Jamaican courts then felt a sense of public pressure, you know, resulting in their decision.
00:37:29Yes.
00:37:30To free Vibe's cartel, you know, as opposed to if it were, you know, a body that were so far removed that they hadn't a clue who Vibe's cartel is, if you understand me.
00:37:40Yeah.
00:37:41And his social impact, you know, and stuff like that.
00:37:44So, I think that the situation is, some people believe that the, as you would have stated, the Privy Council is too far away, and some people believe that the CCJ is too close to us. So then, where do we reach this balance?
00:38:01Just like the police service, I'm sure that you'll agree, Mr. George, there's a level of, there's not a level of trust and confidence in the CCJ.
00:38:13And I think that in 2024, I'm just amazed that we're still having this conversation and that no real and serious position has been put forward to here's what, let's embrace the CCJ in its entirety.
00:38:30Well, I mean, okay, so let's just understand, Marlon, I mean, we do embrace it in its originating jurisdiction.
00:38:37Yes.
00:38:38All right. So, in other words, there are many matters, like for instance, matters with Trinidad Cement Limited, there were matters with Guyana and the tariff and stuff like that, where we do embrace it in its original jurisdiction.
00:38:51The problem is with its appellate jurisdiction, in other words, with it becoming our final court of appeal, that's where Trinidad and Tobago has not signed on.
00:39:01Despite the fact that it's physically located and headquartered in Trinidad, you know, we have not signed on to its appellate jurisdiction.
00:39:09And I think the hesitancy that you see in some quarters is founded in their concerns as to the closeness in terms of the, you know, the nexus between the sitting members of the CCJ and the, you know, the nation states in the Caribbean, whom they have to basically preside over.
00:39:33So, in fairness to the CCJ, I will tell you also, they also have widened their pool in the past, you know, because we've had judges who have, you know, Dutch training and origin, so, you know, I mean, it's not that they are only pulling from, you know, Caribbean-born and bred jurists, you know, so, I mean, that's also something to consider.
00:39:57I think, Marlon, in time it may be inevitable that the change does occur, but I think we also have to be respectful of the views of those who feel that they prefer the impartiality of the Privy Council by the distance and separation which they innately have by not being a part and parcel of the Caribbean context or the West Indian diaspora, so to speak.
00:40:25Yeah.
00:40:26I'm just thinking as you speak, how are other Caribbean countries expected to buy in to the CCJ, as you would have stated, and as is fact, you have the CCJ headquartered here.
00:40:47And Trinidad, which I'm sure that would have pumped in a lot of resources and money and so on to bring the CCJ to fruition, and there's still a concern about the appellate side of it or the CCJ being a final court.
00:41:15So, again, the question is, I was just rambling, the question is, is that how are other Caribbean countries expected to embrace it when we do still have these concerns?
00:41:27Well, I mean, I would imagine that within their legal professions, within their judicial systems, there would be those who would have similar concerns.
00:41:39You know, I mean, I can give you a real and practical example, Marlon.
00:41:45I mean, there's a matter which our firm did, you know, which did involve the CCJ.
00:41:50And, I mean, part of the evidence that we used in the matter was a letter containing a clear admission by the president of the CCJ to say that, look, they had erred in the way they approached that matter.
00:42:08And, I mean, the thing is, you know, we eventually prevailed in the matter, but, you know, I mean, the thing is, you know, you look at it and you wonder, well, how did it even reach to that?
00:42:21And you ask yourself whether personalities were not interjected in the scenario as opposed to that, you know, clear impartiality of, you know, that arm's length of, well, look, I don't know the individuals involved, I don't know who is, you know, the party A or party B, that kind of thing.
00:42:44So, I think that really and truly it's a challenge that they face and will always face.
00:42:50And, you know, the point is, you know, the Bible tells us a prophet is never respected in his own town.
00:42:56And I think that's one of the challenges that the CCJ officers face and the CCJ judges face.
00:43:02And, I mean, it's actually a bit unfair to them because really and truly, as I say, you have judges of the highest caliber, the highest judicial competence and capability sitting on that court.
00:43:14It's just that, as I say, there are some who feel that, look, they prefer still to have that distance and separation of judges who are so far removed from the heart of the action that they don't know any of the players involved.
00:43:32Yeah, Mr. George, it's always a pleasure speaking with you.
00:43:34Thank you very much for your perspective this morning.
00:43:36Bye for now.
00:43:39Thank you.
00:43:40So, we are going to a very short break, everybody.
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00:47:58up to this time. Now, whilst it is that the numbers are somewhat consistent on an
00:48:06annual basis, last year in particular we would have had one particular incident,
00:48:15when I say incident, out of this particular act, 134 charges of extortion
00:48:24would have emanated from that particular, let us say, victim and perpetrator, right?
00:48:31So what it says, basically, is that every time that somebody demands money from you,
00:48:40right, and they have no legitimate, let us say, reason for doing so, right, whether it is to
00:48:48offer you safety for that of yourself, your family, security of your business, right,
00:48:54or continued business, but in order for you to do so you have to pay them money,
00:48:59every time that they do that they are committing an offence, right? And for that particular case
00:49:05where the perpetrator was charged with 134 offences, it would mean that the victim had
00:49:14the information to assist the police with, to know that was 134 times that this person
00:49:22would have demanded money from me, right? So it speaks to, let us say, that sense of awareness
00:49:28of you, the business person, that I am exposed, right, and in order for me to, let us say,
00:49:35reduce the risk, or even if I am a victim, that I can assist the police significantly,
00:49:44that they can investigate, because the reality is that we, the police, cannot be at every business
00:49:52place, right? And once it is you, operator business, you can consider that I may be a
00:50:00target, because somebody would very much like to get easy money, right?
00:50:05Yeah, but Mr. Ford, is the police service addressing this problem in a decisive way?
00:50:13Because over the past few weeks, and apparently I thought that extortion had,
00:50:19cases had subsided, but apparently we are seeing a spike now in cases, and it doesn't change the
00:50:26fact that Mr. Ford, that we have seen over the past few weeks, certain businessmen being
00:50:32forced to shut down their businesses, and now they're living abroad.
00:50:37All right, now Marlon, persons would have made decisions like that for more reasons than one,
00:50:43right? The fact of the matter is that from a policing perspective, what we have done,
00:50:51and what we encourage business persons to do, is to make themselves a harder target, right?
00:50:59And put the necessary security systems in place, so that if someone comes to your business place,
00:51:07and demands such of you, that we encourage safety first, right? That we don't want you to lose your
00:51:14life over material items, right? However, in so doing, we, once the report is made,
00:51:22and we have a challenge where persons are not making reports, right? And when you don't make
00:51:27a report, and you simply submit yourself, then there's nothing for the police to do,
00:51:31because we don't know about it, right? So by you, one, improving on your security arrangement,
00:51:38be it that you have a security system, CCTV cameras as the case may be, you now need to
00:51:43also look at how you go about to do your business. There must be some decisive changes in
00:51:48how I operate, in order to, one, counteract what somebody may be planning, in terms of targeting
00:51:55me or my business, right? So it deals with the issue of the opening hours, right? Your strategy
00:52:01in terms of how do I deal with cash, right? Your interests in employment, who do I employ, right?
00:52:11And when I do employ persons, to what extent that this person has information about my operations,
00:52:18in relation to finance handling in particular, right? But once it is you have, I want to say,
00:52:25the basic security systems in place, cameras, proper locking systems, right? Proper control
00:52:34of how you do your business, you would be in a better position. The next thing to do
00:52:39is to make that report to the police. But let me just stick a pin here. Reports and incidents where
00:52:47we have heard that people being killed because of extortion, I don't know that these reports
00:52:55have helped the police's case for business people or other people to come forward to help the police.
00:53:02All right, what I can say is that persons are making reports, all right? But I want to also
00:53:10accept that persons are not making reports as well, for their own reason, be that they may
00:53:20give in to the threat and they have apprehended that level of fear, that if I don't pay, that I
00:53:27am likely to be killed or targeted further. And if I do go to the police, right, that I am also
00:53:35exposed, right? So what we want to do is to ensure that members of the public know that once you make
00:53:45a report and you assist us with whatever information you have, right, that we would be
00:53:51able to investigate your report with the view of identifying who these persons are or person
00:53:58is, right? Now, why is it that you may become a victim? In order for you to assist us, you need
00:54:05to be able to capture as much information as possible from that person, be it a physical
00:54:12description of that person, right? Note in terms of date, time, the attire of that person, right?
00:54:19What was the mode of transport, whether it was on a bike, whether they came with a vehicle. Now,
00:54:25by you having, as I say, CCTV footage, it makes it a lot easier, right? Now, somebody might say
00:54:33that a security system, CCTV cameras and so on might be expensive, right? And it might be a
00:54:41cost, but the cost has benefit in it, right? And it have different quality systems, but we would
00:54:48encourage you to have one that is of a good quality that will enable us to be able to identify
00:54:56person or persons who may have committed that act against you, right? So, Marlon.
00:55:01Mr. Ford, I only have about one minute again. Go ahead.
00:55:03Sure, all right. Whether it is, Marlon, that the person threatens to close down your business,
00:55:11they threaten you or your loved ones, Marlon. If it is that you want the police to be able
00:55:18to deal with the matter effectively, you must come forward. In the first instance, come forward
00:55:25and give us the information. Let us do what we have to do in relation to the investigation.
00:55:32Do not, let us say, be a victim in silence that you give in to the persons who are making this
00:55:40demand and on whatever routine, whatever time, you continue to pee. What you do when you do that
00:55:48is that you embolden them, you make them feel more powerful and they target the next business person.
00:55:55But the response we want is for all business persons to resist that sort of demand,
00:56:04make the report to the police. At the same time, exercise safety. Your life comes first.
00:56:11Yeah. Mr. Ford, it's always a pleasure speaking with you and I'm sure that we'll have to continue
00:56:16this conversation. It's a very serious one and I know that there are people out there who are
00:56:23very fearful as to what is happening. So, we do appreciate your advice this morning.
00:56:30Yes. Okay. So, we are going to a very short break, everybody. We're coming back.
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01:02:59All right, everybody. So, it's that time of the year again for the President's
01:03:14Awards for Innovation and Service Excellence.
01:03:21All right. So, we do have in studio with us this morning, Special Project Management and Delivery
01:03:25Consultant at the IDB, Mr. Isaiah Williams. Mr. Williams, thank you very much for coming this
01:03:31morning. Thank you very much for having me. Of course. Well, let's speak about this collaboration
01:03:36with the IDB and the Office of the President concerning these awards. Sure. So, this is the
01:03:45seventh year that we have in Paris, and the IDB recognizes the Office of the President as that
01:03:53leader, let's say, organization in Trinidad and Tobago that stands for unity and leadership.
01:04:00So, we have partnered with them to recognize work being done in the public sector,
01:04:06and we do this through the Prize Awards. Right. So, all right. So, who's these awards for?
01:04:16So, these awards are focused on the public sector. So, we look at public sector entities,
01:04:22the Tobago House of Assembly, statutory bodies, anybody that falls under that public sector realm.
01:04:29We understand that there are challenges, natural challenges that may hinder project development,
01:04:36but we also acknowledge that there are some key entities and bodies that push past these challenges
01:04:44and still dare to innovate and still dare to develop. So, these awards are specially designed
01:04:50for them. Yeah, and how do these entities become involved, participate in this? Sure. So, we have
01:04:58been sending out email blasts to all permanent secretaries throughout the public sector,
01:05:03but they can also visit us on social media, and they can send an email to us directly.
01:05:10The email address is praiseawardstt at iadb.org, and we will communicate with them. We would
01:05:18share the link to apply, and they can become a recipient. Yeah. So, the objective of it is to show
01:05:26innovation, development, to expose the work of the various organizations. How has this panned out in the
01:05:37past seven years? How did this become reality in a tangible way? What did you see
01:05:48happening at these organizations? So, if I may say, when the awards started, we were just giving,
01:05:57let's say, first, second, and a third place in terms of votes. The entities would come and
01:06:04pitch their projects, and we would have first, second, and third. Coming out of that, the project
01:06:12campaign developed to now we have two categories. We have service excellence and innovation.
01:06:19I would say last year, we actually gave out about seven awards, one of them being a Vanguard Award,
01:06:26which was to an entity that had a very innovative way of providing service. Right. So, we see over the
01:06:35past seven years, each year, there's a new layer being added to the Praise Award based on the
01:06:42significant work that we are acknowledging and that we are realizing that is happening
01:06:47within the public sector. All right. So, we do have on the line now, Administrator of the Division
01:06:52of Community Development, Youth Development, and Sport, Mrs. Aficia McCain. Mrs. McCain,
01:06:58good morning. Thank you very much for joining us. Mrs. McCain, you're hearing me?
01:07:10All right. Mrs. McCain, I think she's hearing me now. You are, Mrs. McCain?
01:07:16Yes, I'm here. All right. So, Mrs. McCain, well, from what I understand is that
01:07:23your ministry, your department, you were a recipient of one of these awards.
01:07:36All right. So, I think that we're having some...
01:07:39All right. I think that we're having some difficulty there, but we will try to
01:07:45reconnect with Mrs. McCain a little while from now. So, is it that there is still time to register?
01:07:54Oh, yes. So, applications actually begun on yesterday, and it goes until the 20th of September.
01:08:03So, you have a month to compile your projects and present it to us.
01:08:08Yeah. Well, what's the criteria?
01:08:10Yeah. So, we have two categories. We have service excellence and innovation.
01:08:14Yes.
01:08:15So, for the service excellence category, we look for entities that have utilized,
01:08:22let's say, innovative ways to provide great services. So, for example,
01:08:27that have utilized, let's say, innovative ways to provide greater service to citizens of Trinidad
01:08:34and Tobago. So, it can be an existing service, but you have reinvented it in such a way that
01:08:42it becomes more accessible. That is one. And then there is the innovation category.
01:08:48In this category, we look for entities that really leverage technology in a meaningful way
01:08:55to overall provide more service. So, we have two categories, and we
01:09:03encourage persons to apply to which category best suits your project.
01:09:08Yeah. Is there a particular amount of submissions that you're looking for this time around?
01:09:14No, but what I can say is from the start, every year we have to go through more applications,
01:09:21which is a plus because it speaks to more work being done in the public sector. So, feel free.
01:09:27If you have more than one project, apply.
01:09:30Let's look at the judging now.
01:09:32Right.
01:09:32How is this judged?
01:09:34So, initially, the applications go through a shortlisting criteria that is done internally,
01:09:42and then those that have been shortlisted, there is an external pitching criteria where we have a
01:09:49panel of judges from the private sector that are doing great works within the space. You come and
01:09:56you pitch your project to them, and the final awards where the president presents is going to
01:10:03be in December.
01:10:05So, you're having a big gala.
01:10:06A big gala.
01:10:07At the end of the year, right?
01:10:08Yes.
01:10:10You all have decided on what date that is going to be?
01:10:14It's going to be December 5th, but sometimes we tend to focus too much on that. We want
01:10:20persons to just really focus on really submitting meaningful applications between now and the 20th
01:10:26of September.
01:10:27But I'm sure, Mr. Williams, that being a part of this program, this initiative has had a real
01:10:37positive impact in the delivery of services by these government entities, right?
01:10:44Yeah.
01:10:45So, yeah. So, we have seen where this award really does encourage entities to continue to
01:10:54provide greater service. In fact, on last year, we decided that every entity that was a finalist,
01:11:01what we do, we bring them into our space, our digital transformation hub. We look at their
01:11:06projects and we connect them with IDB stakeholders to try to help them to provide even more service.
01:11:13So, the goal for us is how we can collaborate with the public sector to improve lives.
01:11:18All right. I believe that we do have Mrs. McCain on the
01:11:23line now. Mrs. McCain, good morning. Thank you very much for joining us.
01:11:34All right. We're trying. We're trying. We're still having some difficulty in hearing Mrs.
01:11:40McCain. All right. We do have just about a minute or two again. So, Mr. Williams,
01:11:50just for some of our viewers who may be now joining us, again, how do these entities that
01:11:57you spoke about, how do they get involved? Do we have Mrs. McCain now?
01:12:04Hearing me now?
01:12:05All right, Mrs. McCain. We just have a minute. Yeah.
01:12:08Thank you.
01:12:09Oh, yes, I know. Apologies for this happening in the country. Apologies for having me.
01:12:16How has this experience been for your department or your ministry?
01:12:22So, at the time, I was actually in the division of finance, trade and the economy,
01:12:28and I would say it was life-changing. The team would have really used the award to propel our
01:12:35projects, and not just that particular project, but other projects we have forward. Since then,
01:12:40we had a number of international institutions reaching out to us about the project,
01:12:44wanting to be a partner with it as well. And the IDB, of course, has lent tremendous support
01:12:50thereafter to help us to turn it into something that all of Trinidad and Tobago can benefit from.
01:12:55So, I always encourage persons, even for this year, to get involved in PREIS, because it's
01:12:59more than just an award. It reads an opportunity to partner with the right development institutions
01:13:04to take our projects to the next level, especially given we have limitations with resources,
01:13:09we have different constraints. So, it allows us to really bring our service to the people in a
01:13:14more effective manner. Yeah. Mrs. McCain, it was a pleasure speaking with you. Mr. Williams, just
01:13:20again, how do entities contact you and register? They can follow us on social media at cncoburn
01:13:30or they can send us a direct email at praiseawardstt.iadb.org. Yeah. Mr. Williams,
01:13:37thank you for coming this morning, Mrs. McCain. Thank you for speaking with us and holding on.
01:13:42I think we should again try and try again, and that's what we did this morning.
01:13:46Yeah. Thank you for having us. Bye, Mrs. McCain. Thank you, Mr. Williams. We're coming back,
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01:17:53All right, so welcome back everyone. So we are discussing now an obstetric emergency workshop and
01:18:09we do have with us this morning Avion Drayton Bailey, the first vice president of the Trinidad
01:18:14and Tobago National Nursing Association and we also have Dr. Candice McLean, associate director
01:18:19Maternal Child Quality and Nursing Education Maternal Mortality Reduction Program. Ladies,
01:18:27thank you very much for coming this morning. Good morning and thank you for having us. Of course,
01:18:32but let's talk a little bit about this workshop. What was the reason for a workshop
01:18:39such as this at this time? Well, the Trinidad and Tobago National Nursing Association, what we have
01:18:45been trying to do is to ensure that our nursing professionals continue to get excellent training
01:18:51and different skill sets so that they can better serve the citizenry of Trinidad and Tobago.
01:18:57And of course, you know that the minister of health, he has always been pushing for a reduction
01:19:03of maternal mortality and so forth. So the nursing association would have looked to see
01:19:09what we can do to improve our nurses, their skill set and one of the ideas was to partner
01:19:17with the Association of Women's Health Obstetric and Neonatal Nursing that's based in the U.S.
01:19:24and work with them to develop our nurses to give them that extra edge so that when dealing with
01:19:31pregnant women and labor and delivery that they would be operating at their highest. Yeah, Dr.
01:19:37McLean, what's the message that you're bringing to this workshop? So the message is that by early
01:19:45recognition and response that we can reduce maternal mortality. Using simulation to train
01:19:51our teams will make them competent and confident so when they have an obstetrical complication,
01:19:55they'll be ready to act and respond in a timely manner. The number one cause to sentinel events
01:20:00in a poor maternal outcome was failure to respond. A mother would present with a blood
01:20:06pressure 160 over 110 and there'd be a delayed response. The A1 workshop will teach them about
01:20:11the signs and symptoms of preeclampsia, postpartum hemorrhage and anaphylactic syndrome. We'll be
01:20:17doing this through a series of didactic and games which will help to really instill in the people
01:20:22who are attending the workshop to know how do I respond when I have this complication, what is
01:20:27going on with this patient and what should I do, what medication should I use or ask the physician
01:20:32to provide for me to give the proper care for these patients. Yeah, Mrs. Bailey, who's the
01:20:38workshop for? Only for nurses? It's for nursing personnel, yes. So we would have registered nurses,
01:20:43licensed midwives and we also have enrolled nursing assistants who actually work in that
01:20:48maternal department because they play a crucial role with assisting the nurses. So you would want
01:20:55they as well to be able to identify signs and symptoms of a patient in distress so that we can
01:21:02refer to the doctor so that you know intervention can happen. Yeah, tell us about the workshop and
01:21:07how it is going to roll out on the day that it is being planned. Okay, so I'd let Candice take
01:21:13that over. No problem. So first we'll be starting off with introductions. We're actually going to be
01:21:18having a guest speaker. My aunt Cheryl will be coming due to the maternal death of my cousin
01:21:24in San Fernando Hospital in 2020. She'll be speaking to the audience to let them know how
01:21:29important your work is, whether you're a nurse or nurse midwife, to really be vigilant in the care
01:21:33of these patients. Then we'll be going into the actual teaching of preeclampsia, sharing some
01:21:39videos and then going into simulation games. There'll be four simulations that we'll be conducting
01:21:44with other four educators who have come with us from the United States. We deliver this across the
01:21:49United States, all 50 states, but when we do the class it's a full two-day didactic
01:21:56with covering different topics. So doctor, what should be, you think, the biggest takeaway
01:22:05for persons who attend the workshop? The biggest takeaway, early response reduces maternal morbidity.
01:22:13If you respond for your patients and they are sick and the earlier you respond the faster you
01:22:18can get them help, you want to reduce these adverse outcomes for these moms. You don't
01:22:23want to send home a mom and then she collapses at home. You want to prevent that. You want to
01:22:27recognize it in the hospital and address her concerns. If she's having hypertensive issues,
01:22:32you keep her an extra day. You want to advocate for these patients because when you lose a mom,
01:22:38you lose a whole family network. Did she just deliver the baby? Who's going to take care of
01:22:43this person? So this is what you need to look at the whole clinical picture. It's not just a mom
01:22:47you lose. Yeah. How do people sign up? So our registration is currently filled. Since February
01:22:54we have been working to develop this program. So we have 35 nursing personnel who would be attending
01:23:02on Wednesday and Thursday and it's being held at the Trinidad and Tobago National Nurses
01:23:06Association, our headquarters in St. Augustine. We have two classrooms there and Dr. McLean and
01:23:13her team, other obstetric nurse practitioners, as well as various other specialties, they would be
01:23:21working with these nurses for these two days to ensure that at the end of the workshop, not only
01:23:27would they have learned an additional skill, but they can now teach others as well because there's
01:23:32a train-the-trainer component of the program. Yeah. It seems to be oversubscribed. Yes. I mean,
01:23:39you know, maternal morbidity is something that we have always had issues with Trinidad and Tobago
01:23:46and we've had significant reduction. I think we would have really carried down our mortality to
01:23:56nearly zero and we just want to continue on that trend and what better way than to continue to
01:24:02educate our nursing personnel to keep that up. So this workshop is going to be excellent for
01:24:09our nurses and again, as we said, there's the train-the-trainer component. So even though Candace
01:24:14and her team would be leaving us, we will now have nurses who are competent to train others
01:24:20to identify these emergency situations. Dr. McLean, I give you the final word. Yes. I want them, when
01:24:27they come to our workshop, to take away whatever they learned, their findings, and embed it in
01:24:32their institution. You'll learn about postpartum hemorrhage kits. Do you need to instill this in
01:24:37your unit? Whereas instead of running and getting different meds, you'll have one kit to pull.
01:24:41I want you to say, hey, do we need a checklist on our wall? So they're going to get a variety
01:24:45of different ways of how to make their work easier but safer for their patients so that
01:24:50you won't have poor outcomes. Women should not be dying in childbirth. No one should die in
01:24:54childbirth and 80% is preventable. So we need to be proactive and really take our responsibility
01:25:00to the public that we owe these birthing patients that we're very vigilant and active out there.
01:25:05Yeah. Ladies, thank you very much for coming this morning. You know, as I listen to you all,
01:25:09I'm just reflecting on what the situation is in Trinidad and Tobago and the benefits of
01:25:17such a workshop. So congratulations again. We wish you all the best for your workshop.
01:25:22Thank you so much and thank you for having us. All right. So we are going to a very short break,
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01:27:38Welcome back, everyone. So today on our WCPL segment, we are joined by one of the more
01:27:44premier Western these women's players over the last decade and a half or so. Shakira Selman has
01:27:49played one hundred and ninety six international games. Look at the shake. Shakira, how she's
01:27:54smiling, taking one hundred and thirty three wickets for the wind. These women before her
01:27:59retirement from international cricket earlier this year in the WCPL. She represented her home
01:28:05franchise, the Barbados Royals, in the inaugural edition of the tournament before making the switch
01:28:10to the Guyana Amazon Warriors last year. And she's back with them this year. Shakira,
01:28:16good morning. Thank you very much for being with us. We do appreciate it.
01:28:20Good morning. Thanks for having me. Yeah. So let me let me just ask a very simple question.
01:28:25You're ready. The tournament begins on Wednesday, right? You're ready for them.
01:28:28Yeah, I have no choice but to be ready for this game tomorrow. And we are very excited about this
01:28:36year's tournament, third year of WCPL, of course, and bigger names have joined CPL this year.
01:28:41And I'm sure everyone is looking forward to what the ladies can produce.
01:28:45Yeah. So is it that already your team has met and you all have familiarized yourselves
01:28:54and the team seems to be gelling well. And as I said, you're ready when the when the tournament
01:29:00begins. Yeah, well, we only flew here two days ago, Sunday. Yeah. And yesterday was the first
01:29:07opportunity for all teams to train together. But a number of players are missing. They're actually
01:29:13en route to train that because they were involved in the hundred that just finished a few days ago.
01:29:18So it will be it will have to be a very quick changeover and we will have to
01:29:24familiarize ourselves as quickly as possible. We still have our head coach, Courtney Walsh,
01:29:29playing to train that from the hundred. He was coaching over the Invincibles in that hundred
01:29:33tournament. And we have three of our international players on that flight with him. Yeah. And as you
01:29:39look at the makeup of your team, Shakira, as you look at that, what do you think about your
01:29:45chances this time around? Well, we need to win this year as Royals have won WCPL once already,
01:29:54TKR have done that already as well. So Guyana, Amazon Warriors is the only team that has not
01:29:58won to date. And I hope I really hope that this could be our year where we take the trophy. But
01:30:04I think we have a very balanced team. Of course, we have one of the best fast bowlers in the world
01:30:07in Shamneen Ismail, who did very well for us last year coming. We've lost Sophie Devine and
01:30:13Susie Bates, of course, legends of the game themselves, but they are preparing for World Cup,
01:30:18so they're not able to join us this year. But we've been buoyed by Laferne Spinner and
01:30:23all around her. So we try on from South Africa. We also have Lorraine Winfield-Hill from England
01:30:31and Erin Burns, who was really good for Barbados Royals last year. We hope she can replicate the
01:30:36same type of performances and lead us to victory. Yeah. And I'm not asking you to share your
01:30:41strategy, but is there any particular team that you're looking at this time around that
01:30:48we have to keep our eyes on this particular team, you know?
01:30:52Yeah, both of the other teams are really strong. Of course, with Royals, they have Hayley Matthews,
01:30:57and we know the type of form that Hayley Matthews is in. We also know that she's a player who can
01:31:02take the game away from you. And she did that last year alongside Amanda Jade Wellington. But when you
01:31:07look at the trend, that team, the TKR team, it's a very exciting team. They are supposed to have
01:31:13Meg Landon joining them, and she was one of the best captains in the world. There were a number
01:31:18of cups under her. But Deandra Dutton, of course, is leading that team, and she's just come out of
01:31:24retirement. So she was just in the West Indies camp. She may be coming into this tournament
01:31:27with a lot of form. So there are lots of exciting players on all the teams, and we have to be wary
01:31:31of anyone, very short form up. So we have to play our best game and as quickly as possible.
01:31:37Yeah. So you're a veteran in this cricket thing. Let me put it on the table in that way.
01:31:45And you would have played for the Windies team. But what's the difference between playing for the
01:31:51Windies and playing in the WCPL? I'm sure that there is some level of difference,
01:31:59read the excitement, and all of the above.
01:32:03Yeah, it's almost as though it becomes a lot more competitive when you're playing against
01:32:08your teammates or former teammates. And everyone knows each other so well. So,
01:32:12you know the strengths and weaknesses of all the players that you're up against.
01:32:16And there's so much more expectation. Of course, when you step a level down,
01:32:22but the standard has to raise. People expect you to dominate at this level,
01:32:26especially if you've been involved in international cricket for as long as I have been.
01:32:30But it's very exciting. And the big difference is you're not playing with players from all around
01:32:35the world, from different teams. So you can learn a bit from them and you can also expect you to
01:32:39tell them a bit about the players you're playing against and about the conditions here in the
01:32:43Caribbean. Yeah. What do you plan to achieve at the WCPL? You personally, is there any particular
01:32:51thing that you're working on? I'm not asking you to share your secrets. I'm not working for
01:32:57any other team, all right? I feel as though you're almost putting me on the spot. I haven't played
01:33:05competitive cricket for the last year, since the last WCPL. Obviously, you've already mentioned
01:33:11that I announced my retirement earlier this year. But I am going to be leaning on all of my
01:33:16experience. Obviously, you pointed out 196 internationals for West Indies, 96 of those
01:33:22were T20s. So I'm going to be leaning on all my experience and doing whatever the captain requires
01:33:27of me, whatever they need me to do to help the team to finally cross. I pride myself on my
01:33:33feeling and hopefully I can still feel as well as I used to when I was playing for West Indies.
01:33:38And yeah, hopefully I can take a few wickets for Guyana and the Zone Warriors as well, especially
01:33:43in those middle and deck overs. Yeah. Let's talk a little bit about your retirement, because I'm
01:33:48sure that it may have come to us as a shock to many. And I think that some people would not have
01:33:55liked it. But what would have contributed to that retirement? And do we see you coming back?
01:34:01You never know, you know, you can make a comeback like Michael Jordan and Tom Brady. People like
01:34:07them, you know, they're always coming back. We see you coming back. No chance of me coming back.
01:34:15It's time for the younger girls to carry on the mantle. But I just figured I
01:34:20always wanted to make a positive impact on West Indies cricket. And I figured
01:34:25I could have a bigger impact off the field as I passed on the baton to the younger players to
01:34:31represent the region and hopefully do more than I've been able to achieve for West Indies. I'm
01:34:41currently working at Barbados Cricket Association in Barbados. And I am responsible for women's
01:34:47cricket there. So I'm trying to have hopefully a bigger impact than I was able to on the field
01:34:52now that I am not playing anymore. I'm just doing what I can to help Barbados Cricket and
01:34:57West Indies Cricket grow and surpass where we used to be a few years ago.
01:35:02Yeah. But you're satisfied at all that, that re your career in West Indies cricket,
01:35:10you're satisfied when you look back, you can say, well, yes, I've achieved this. And
01:35:14I feel satisfied that I could have walked away from West Indies cricket.
01:35:19Yeah, I'm obviously disappointed that I didn't get the opportunity or give myself the opportunity
01:35:28to play those four extra T20s to reach 100 T20s. But yeah, I'm satisfied. When I started playing,
01:35:35my only goal was to leave a legacy of inspiring someone. I just wanted to be an inspiration to
01:35:41the younger girls. That's all I wanted to do. And of course, I was not able to achieve
01:35:46the stats that DeAndre Doughty, Stephanie Taylor, Hayley Matthews were able to achieve.
01:35:51But I wanted to make sure that I inspired the youngsters and I can easily walk away knowing
01:35:56that I have done that. Yeah. Shakira, here's what we are going to a very short break. Please
01:36:02stay with us. We're coming back, everybody.
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